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TrongpaiExpat
January 16th, 2006, 23:44
For New Years weekend, I told the BF he could invite two of his friends for a trip to Kanchanaburi. Plans were made on Dec 15th, and that was too late for any of the river resorts, I had to go with all I could find, two rooms at the River Kwai Hotel on the main street.

I convinced everyone that the train from Noi Bangkok would be fun. There are two departures, on at 730 and another at 1430. The 730 departure was quickly vetoed. The station in BKK has some interesting history but is no longer in operation, it sets in runes on the river and they use one just out of walking distance from the river that used to be an the first stop.

The two invited friends turned out to be three, with the third saying he would sleep on the floor. The Thai price was 25B and Farang 100B. There is a sign in English the station, "Now Everyone Pay 100B to Kanchanaburi. Then in Thai under that, is listed the Thai price using Thai script for 25 baht.

I loved the train but the boys though it was low class. The seats are wood but there's plenty of room and lots to see. Food vendors at every stop and sites you don't see from a bus, mini van or a car. The boys were unimpressed and most of them slept most of the journey. I seemed to be the only farang on this train and caught the attention of several children whom I treated to some coconut ice cream from one of the vendors.

We arrived at the station and I had a map of where the hotel was located and suggested we walk. Everyone looked at me like I had said something crazy and even the touts trying to get us to come with them though I was joking. I did get them to walk to the street where we took a songtow the short distance to the hotel.

The River Kwai Hotel is on the main road, next to a huge straight massage facility. I had reserved two room and added a roll away for the extra guest. The hotel had a nice pool facility that we used every day and the rooms were clean and adequate. Everyone was happy with the rooms and delighted that the hotel is attached to a Disco. One of many discos in Kanchanaburi.

Discos attached to hotels are common in Thailand. If your a light sleeper, forget sleep until it's closed at 2am. I used ear plugs but the bass still came though the walls and floor. The hotel was not full even though it was a holiday weekend. At 1,500 per room it might be too expensive for some Thais and too noisy for farangs.

Breakfast was included and that was not half bad, about par with the Pinnacle.

I had planed on renting a car and drive to Erawan, The BF asked at the hotel and I was told that there were no cars for hire available, it's a busy holiday weekend but they could arrange a van and a driver. I suspected that this information was bogus but rather than look for a car on my own, I agreed to the van and driver for 1,500 for the day. I am not that fond of driving and the price was within my budget.

Getting everyone up at 0900 was not the chore I though it was after a night in the disco. They were all excited about going to Erawan. The excitement lasted for about the first 15 minuets of the trip then everyone went to sleep, including the driver whom I had to shove every now and then.

The driver insisted on stopping at a small new museum across from the cemetery. I protested knowing that it was a rip off but the driver convinced the boys that this stop was worthwhile. I noticed he was none too shy about getting his commission/kick back from our 60b each entrance fees.

I knew that the boys would not be interested in the history of the death railroad and it was my intention to skip over these hyped tourist oriented venues. I had been to all of them before and with the exception of the one at hellfire pass, they are not worth the time and money.

We arrived at Erawan, picked up all the picnic supplies and laden with ice, mats and more food than we would be able to eat, set off into the park. The boys had to take photos at the entrance sign and at every other photo opportunity along the path.

It was on the busy side and it took some time to find a spot to set out the mat. We found a spot at level three. There were only Thai having picnics, farangs were here and there but neither eating or swimming in the water.

Two of the boys immediately took to the water as the rest set up and prepared the food. We turns swimming with someone staying with at the picnic site. Swimming in the falls with the fishes is great fun. Curiously, a lot of Thais go swimming wearing all their clothes on shoes included.
We all had bathing attire.

We started packing up and I pointed to the level three storage station where we could put all of our supplies and hike up to the remaining 4 levels. There was a debate on this idea, what no motocy taxi? They agreed to give it a shot.

I was amused at how out of shape these 20 something Thai boys, not an ounce of fat, were huffing and puffing there way up the trail. They were not in the least embarrassed that some one twice their age was making out fine. The whining began at level 5 and one of the boys without an announcement just gave up and started back down. The other followed me but just before level 6, gave up and wanted to go back.

We got back to the parking lot, found the van and woke up the driver. We then went to Wat Tham Mangkok and Seua cave but one of the boys stayed in the van too tired to move. A few more stops at scenic sights, everyone was ready to call it a day.

For dinner, the boys consulted with motocy drivers and songtow drivers and we went to three different picturesque restaurants on the river. I can't give you the names, all had only signs and menus in Thai. The food was great and inexpensive.

Kanchanaburi has these strange floating discos/restaurants and from the river bank restaurants you can see them being pulled up and down the river. I noticed only farangs on the boats. Thais go to the land based discos, I assumed it was a price thing.

When we entered the Disco at the hotel, I could not believe the lack of talent on the stage. I then discovered it was disco karaoke night, you could just line up and you get to sing with the live band trying to accompany you. After an hour of this, I was out of there, but the boys though this was great but none were willing to go on stage. They all stayed until closing.

I agreed not to subject them to a return via the train and we took the VIP bus out of the main bus station for about 100B per person, farang and Thai prices were the same. The AC/VIP bus to Bangkok is not really in the main station but in a separate office to the right of the bus station.
The bus does save about an hour on the trip vrs.. the train but is cramped. There is AC but it's still stuffy and I much prefer the open windows on a train. The bus was mostly Thais and they pulled all the curtains closed if so much if a single dim ray of sunlight came through.

The boys told me that it was an excellent trip and they wanted to do it all again next year.

colmx
January 17th, 2006, 04:30
Excellent Post Trongpai, Thanks!

BF and I have spoken many many times about going on a trip to Kanchanaburi, but never seem to get around to going there!

I know some of the Pattayaland soi 1 bars run a trip to one of the disco boats in Kanchanaburi on the Kings birthday, but i always seem to miss that trip too!

What is Erawan? From your posting i guess it must be som sort of national park or waterfall place (and before anyone says it i'm too lazy to google it!)

Maybe on my next trip in April we'll finally manage to get there!
I wanted to visit Hua Hin, but Bf reckons its too "hi-so" for us!

He was in Kahosan rd today - no doubt checking out the young farang! (another place i have yet to vsit) but reckons its too "low class" for us to visit!

Seems there is nowhere suitable for me except Pattaya!

Dick
January 17th, 2006, 04:40
Just as it happens, and Oh how we all learn a thing or two along the way.
It hopefully wets the appetite for others to venture out and explore.
Bravo.

TrongpaiExpat
January 17th, 2006, 05:02
What is Erawan? From your posting i guess it must be som sort of national park

It's a National Park about an hour or so from Kanchanaburi. Two hours by gov. bus. There is a trail that goes up to 7 levels of waterfalls. The trail is easy at the start and gets increasing difficult.

Most Thai boys know of Kanchanaburi for it's parties and Erawan and few have a clue about the history of the rail road.

There is also Sai Yok National park and if you want to spend some time in the area a trip all the way to the border of Myanmar, Sangkhlaburi is worthwhile, but that can't be done in one day from Kanchanaburi.

cottmann
January 17th, 2006, 05:42
There is a guest house that has bungalows over the river, which is quiet and secluded. I think it's called Sam's. Hellfire Pass on the Death Railway is near Kanchanaburi, and there is a small museum there that covers the way in which the Japanese mistreated POWs. It is also possible to take a train ride that finishes in Kanchanburi after crossing the Bridge on the River Kwai. My former guy took me on the trip there - he actually comes from a town near the Burmese end of the railway.

TrongpaiExpat
January 17th, 2006, 06:07
Yes, I know Sam's, nice place, but they were all booked for the weekend as was every other river bungalow hotel/resort. There is about 8 deluxe bungalows and then there are more basic raft houses.

January 17th, 2006, 11:49
The vast graveyard for Allied soldiers is worth seeing, even if it isn't exactly cheerful to see row after row with men who hardly reached 25. The small museum with pictures and objects from the camp is also an emotional experience. This is something to do alone as Thai boys will not see the point and will be too chatty and impatient. It is a place for quiet reflection.

Dodger
January 17th, 2006, 19:10
Thank you Trongpai,

I love these little adventures and your story rekindled some fond memories for me as well.

Boy Special and I visited Kanchanaburi last April and had a great time. We hired a mini bus tour at the Travel Agent located oin the corner of Second Road and Soi 2-Pattaya who provided us with a great expereince.

We were joined on this 3 day trip by a family traveling from Belgium, comprised of two older married couples and one younger married couple...all related. They didn't seem to like Boy Special and I and avoided looking in our direction as the bus sputtered its way out of Pattaya. I guess it was pretty obvious to them that we were gay. Boy Special, not really knowing how to dress for a trek to the wilderness, was wearing a pink sleeveless tee shirt with a large gold star on the front, and the pair of skin tight white cargo pants I purchased for him several weeks earlier which were intended for the disco. The fact that we were snuggled up in the back seat and giggling didn't help matters either.

Our tour included a visit to the BKK Floating Market, ride on the Death Railroad, visit to Hellfire Pass, War Cemetary, Museum, and finally an overnight stay at the floating teak/bamboo houses on the Kwai River.

About one hour into our bus ride, our Thai escort, who was an older woman with a keen eye for making sure everyone was having a good time, turned on the CD player and started playing very lively Thai pop songs. Boy Special, who, by-the-way, has a fabulous voice and not a shy bone in his body, started singing along with the songs as if he was the person who recorded them. For the first few minutes our friends from Belgium just sat quietly in their seats as if they didn't hear the music, or the fact that BS was singing. After a few more minutes passed their knees started bouncing up and down to the rythem...then their heads started bobbing back and fourth...then they starting turned their heads to look back to where BS and I were sitting and started smiling.

After our visit to the floating market which was great fun, we hopped in the bus and the music atarted again. This time one of the Belgium guys started popping open cans of Singha and passing them around to the others. He offered BS and I some but we kindly refused...just too early for that stuff. Now the smiles got even bigger and several of the family members started turned around in their seats and talking to BS and I. BS was now singing at the top of his voice and the bus was rockin' again.

By the time we reached the Death Railroad it was like we were part of the family. Even the oldest couple who refused to even look in our direction on the bus, started walking next to us, asking questions like, where do you guys live, how did you guys first meet, etc. By the time we reached the floating bungalows BS and I knew all of their names...and more significant (all things considered), they knew ours.

The floating bungalows, complete with jungle sounds and the silent mystery of the Kwai river sparkling in the moonlight, was the most romantic setting Boy Special and I ever encountered together. After having a fabulous Thai meal at the lodge we went back to our romms and changed into comfortable short pants and mosied out onto the bamboo porch to enjoy the moment. No sooner than we enchanged our first kiss, the solitude of the moment was broken by the sounds of laughter as our friends from Belgium came bouncing out on their adjoining porches carrying six packs of Singa and a couple of buckets of ice...ugh!

All-in all, the trip was wonderful. I especially enjoyed the train ride and Boy Special liked the long boat ride through the floating market immensely, but the most memorial part was the dynamics involved with the relationship between Boy Special and the travelers from Belgium. They were as different from us as we were to them and the acknowlegdement of this DIFFERENCE was so thick in the air when our bus left Pattaya that I almost felt like aborting the mission. Three days later we were all exchaging hugs and hand shakes as if we had been friends for years.

I never had any direct interface with people from Belgium before, but now appreciate them as being fun loving, warm and friendly people. They apparently never interacted directly with a gay couple before either...and I really think they kind of liked us too.


mai pen rai

February 28th, 2006, 11:31
With the Belgians warmed up, you could've shown them the video you showed your folks! :cheers: :alien:

Dodger, do you have a link to your hotel or any of the others you were considering?

Aunty
February 28th, 2006, 14:12
for a nice read. I'm glad you and your friends had a good time.

I enjoyed your post too Dodger, this boy special of yours sounds like quite the bee's knees! Got any pics?

Dodger
February 28th, 2006, 17:10
Astro,

When I get home from this business trip I'll get you the details on the floating bungalows, unless someone answers your question first.

No, I didn't bring any videos along on that trip...LOL

Aunty,

I'm not sure if he's the "bees knees", but he works out in a pinch.

March 1st, 2006, 16:45
Hi,
We have been to Kanchanaburi recently and went to visit the tiger temple on the road to Erawan. I had watched a video of it recently on a Thai Airways flight.
It was really very special. The initiative was taken by an abbot (Phra Acharn Chan) of a monastery who adopts orphan tigers. There are at least 12 tigers at the temple. In the afternoon they are released in a canyon not far from the temple.
What was not mentioned in the documentary was that visitors are allowed to walk between the tigers and even touch them, at your own risk of course. ItтАЩs not really safe; during our visit we have seen a German guy whose pants were ripped to rags because his girlfriend scared one of the tigers by using the flashlight to take a picture (flashlights are forbidden).
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March 1st, 2006, 19:06
Thanks Trong & Dodger for your brought-back-many-memories reports.

I'd thought I'd seen everything - but petting an adult unrestrained tiger ! - that sure beats my photo of holding a tiger-kitten at Pattaya's Tiger Zoo.

March 13th, 2006, 08:11
The Erawan falls are wonderful, and the butterflies masses of them little yellow ones giant blue ones, the whole place feels like you stepped into fantasia, little fish giving you a body scrub in the water, shy Thais giggling and chatting as they walk up the tiers. Jungles spilling over every-thing. Highly recommended.

The Tiger sanctuary I would not recommend. I have also been there and it is unsafe. While all very worthy there are some strange ideas floating around. They are not very scientific. Trying to feed tigers a vegetarian diet so they live in peace and harmony with man is one of them. All I can see is this making man an even bigger target.

I believe Phra Acharn Chan is a wonderful person but the place needs a new direction quite badly. Tourists sitting with tigers is not a good one. The whole time I was there I was on edge,watching white bunny huggers get up close to tigers. Tigers can smell and see you are different and I along with the keepers kept watching for tell tale signs of irritation, which seemed to come from the cubs a lot. Unless you "know" tigers pretty well I wouldn't go there, just send a donation. In an instant a happy happy holiday can be turned into an irreversible disaster,a lot quicker than an abbot can lift a stick.

Whilst I would like to think they would loose their lives trying to save a mauled tourist it would be foolish to think that would help.

March 13th, 2006, 09:57
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