Taking Your New Thai Friend to a Mainstream Hotel in Pattaya

[Newbie99]

Most of the time, I stay at hotels such as Dynasty Inn, LK Metro, Flipper House, but I don’t remember ever seeing a guest bringing a Thai boy back to the hotel with them. My impression is that most punters here use hotels in Boyztown or Jomtien Complex rather than the hotels mentioned above.

Am I wrong?

[a447]

No, I think you are probably correct.

Many of us don't like being caught in the lift with mum, dad and the 2.5 kids.

From experience, the boys don't like it, either.

[sglad]

Many of us don't like being caught in the lift with mum, dad and the 2.5 kids.

Guilty conscience?

[a447]

No.

To have a guilty conscience, I'd first of all have to be guilty of something.

[Oliver2]

It is not so much a case of what we feel but what makes our casual visitors uncomfortable. At the same time, I don't feel any embarrassment when I'm with my boyfriend in hotels across Thailand....and more importantly nor does he, despite being ultra- sensitive. Of course, he's thirty-five now which I suppose may make a difference.

[sglad]

To have a guilty conscience, I'd first of all have to be guilty of something.

Do you really want to go there? :))

Anyway, if not guilt, what then? Shame? Why wouldn't you want to be "caught in the lift with mum, dad and the 2.5 kids?"

[sglad]

At the same time, I don't feel any embarrassment when I'm with my boyfriend in hotels across Thailand....and more importantly nor does he, despite being ultra- sensitive. Of course, he's thirty-five now which I suppose may make a difference.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why would you and your boyfriend be embarrassed of each other and why would his age make a difference - make a difference to what, exactly?

[goji]

I wouldn't stay in a family hotel simply because I don't want screaming kids around.

The hotel doesn't have to be gay, but I prefer something with middle aged male customers who are quiet and don't party to 5:00 am.
It doesn't have to be gay. I have stayed in a hotel above a straight gogo bar & bought boys back every single night.

[arsenal]

Being in a lift with any stranger is slightly awkward and just a tad more so if one or more parties has a trick in tow. My technique, if my fellow liftee has company is to point to the guest and say PHWOOAAAR in a long and loud voice while simultaneously giving a thumbs up. That always breaks the tension.

In ten years of staying at the same hotel neither I nor any of my guests has caused a micropickle's worth of trouble to the hotel staff. Hence the warm, knowing smile that greets me whenever I walk in with a guest.

[StevieWonders]

If you are a middle-aged white guy with a Thai guy or girl in their twenties doesn't everyone assume he or she is a prostitute anyway?

[TaoR]

I always felt bad bringing Thai guys back to my room because everyone assumed I was the prostitute....its an awkward feeling. :yahoo_mini:

I usually got over the humiliation by bringing five or six Thai guys back to my room and I paid them extra to call me "coach." :blush:

[TaoR]

Actually, one time in Bangkok the love of my life and I decided to go to Phuket at the spur of the moment. I actually wanted to go to Pattaya but he said it was run down, dirty, no good, and "finish" (It was the mid 80's). So we flew to Phuket and was met at the airport by the taxi from the resort I had booked and off we went. It was me, my bar buddy, and two friends/relatives of his and we had rented two bungalows on the beach.

Well, they also had a multi story hotel that sat up on a hill and that was where they put all their tour group visitors.

We decided to go to the swimming pool and swim so off we go to the pool; of course they get under the shower and thoroughly clean themselves before jumping in...well as they were doing that a bunch of old German fraus were hustling themselves and their kids out of the pool.

So we had the pool all to ourselves. Then the manager shows up and asks my Thai guests not to swim in the pool because the other guests didn't like having Thai's in their pool. I just looked at the manager and said, "I am paying full price for two bungalows and those big fat Germans, who only take a bath once a week don't want Thai's, who take baths three times a day to get their water dirty? I think my two bungalows make you more money than their deeply discounted hotel rooms do...

So then he offered us a deal. They had a beach that was a little ways off shore that they would boat us to every morning on of our stay and we could have the whole beach, the bar, and a picnic lunch all to ourselves. So the next morning off we went and had the time of our lives.....did that for three days.

Had a picture but it isn't uploading.....

[sglad]

Many of us don't like being caught in the lift with mum, dad and the 2.5 kids.


Hmmm...still no clear explanation. If it's not guilt or shame, why would you "not like being caught in the lift with mum, dad and 2.5 kids?"

And if there's no guilt or shame, why are words like "caught", "new Thai friend", "casual visitor" and "guest" being used? Why does one have to "break the tension" when in the lift together? What "tension"?

[a447]

"caught" in the sense of being trapped. No escape from them. You are subject to their stares of disapproval and maybe even hostility until one of you gets out of the elevator.

And not a particularly edifying scene for their kids to have someone with a prostitute standing next to them.

But no guilt.

Just embarrassment - discomfort, you could say. Both for myself and the guy I have in tow. He has feelings, too, you know.

[sglad]

...You are subject to their stares of disapproval and maybe even hostility until one of you gets out of the elevator.

And not a particularly edifying scene for their kids to have someone with a prostitute standing next to them.

But no guilt.

Just embarrassment - discomfort, you could say. Both for myself and the guy I have in tow.

So you're keen on setting a good example for their kids? Why do you assume they disapprove? How do you know they're not thinking "now here's an elderly grandparent with their foster Asian grandchild...what a lovely picture but perhaps they shouldn't be out too late on a school night"? Those stares could just be parental concern from one loving family unit to another.


And not a particularly edifying scene for their kids to have someone with a prostitute standing next to them.

So the "new Thai friend", "casual visitor" or "guest" is a prostitute? So the prostitute is to blame for your embarrassment and discomfort? Who hired the prostitute?

And if you say you don't feel any guilt and are shameless (that we know), what are you embarrassed or uncomfortable about? People are usually embarrassed because they have done something wrong or were caught doing something wrong.

[a447]

So you're keen on setting a good example for their kids? Why do you assume they disapprove? How do you know they're not thinking "now here's an elderly grandparent with their foster Asian grandchild...what a lovely picture but perhaps they shouldn't be out too late on a school night"? Those stares could just be parental concern from one loving family unit to another.

Lol. That's actually quite funny. Grandpa with his Asian foster grandchild, coming back after a night out on the town - and on a school night, to boot!

The guys I'd be with in the elevator would look more like teachers than students. More like a son than a grandson. I've stated my preference for older guys many times, including in my trip reports. Nothing new there. One of my regulars in Bangkok is 36 years old, for Christ's sake!


So the prostitute is to blame for your embarrassment and discomfort?

Nobody is to blame for anything.


People are usually embarrassed because they have done something wrong or were caught doing something wrong.

No. It's a feeling of discomfort, believing that I'm displaying a side to myself that I would not like others to see.

Is also a feeling many here would get if their parents started talking in front of them about the hot sex they enjoyed last night

Very uncomfortable. But no shame or guilt involved.

Your definition of "embarrassing" is actually my definition of "guilt".

I've expressed this same opinion on sharing elevators a number of times in the past. It's nothing new. I was merely making a casual observation in answer to the OP. That's all.

You are making a desperate attempt to read something into my post which isn't there.

[scottish-guy]

If you think there are prying eyes and catty comments in a mainstream hotel, multiply that by 10 or 100 in a gay one.

Which is why I have almost only stayed in the mainstream version ever since the novelty of gay hotels wore off maybe 30 years ago*

:p



*(sole exception being the Copa Hotel in January one year when I arrived in Thailand unexpectedly and without any reservation)

[a447]

Walking down the street with a guy in tow in a gay area of town doesn't faze me at all. However, there are some guys who start off walking a few steps behind me and stay there until we reach the hotel. I understand they do not want to be seen with their customer, and that's fine. At least they don't walk on the other side of the road!

A new guy I offed every day in Bangkok recently had me leave the bar first - he would then meet me 10 minutes later in the hotel lobby.

When I'm being a sex tourist I just want to be among other like-minded people. It's as simple as that. We are all involved in similar activities and so nobody bats an eyelid. And it easy engaging them in conversation.

Your typical family is not like-minded, and so I feel uncomfortable being with them, be it in an elevator, by the pool or in the hotel restaurant at breakfast. That the same goes for the guy I'm with is hardly surprising.

[Blacktouch]

"caught" in the sense of being trapped. No escape from them. You are subject to their stares of disapproval and maybe even hostility until one of you gets out of the elevator.

And not a particularly edifying scene for their kids to have someone with a prostitute standing next to them.

But no guilt.

Just embarrassment - discomfort, you could say. Both for myself and the guy I have in tow. He has feelings, too, you know.

First of all, it's none of their business who your in the elevator with. After all the guy could be just a friend, tour guide, hotel staff etc.

[a447]

Not when the surrounding streets are full of elderly farang and their much younger bar boys.

I doubt people would be so easily fooled.

Perhaps it would be different in a non-gay area where they would not put 2 and 2 together. I wouldn't have a problem sitting in a restaurant in the Bangkok Mandarin Oriental Hotel, for example.

And of course, it's not anyone else's business. But Istill feel uncomfortable, regardless.

That's just me. I understand that others feel differently.

[NitNoi]

Straights often refer to the "walk of shame" as they cross the lobby with their paid companion. This is normal for those of us who have some concern for the perceptions of others.

[goji]

A new guy I offed every day in Bangkok recently had me leave the bar first - he would then meet me 10 minutes later in the hotel lobby.
Well, it may be his home town. A little bit of discretion is understandable in the circumstances.

[a447]

Yep, totally understandable.

[scottish-guy]

Yeah that's why, when picking up in my home city, I put them in the boot of the car.

Knocking them out with chloroform is just to prevent an anxiety attack due to claustrophobia - honest.

:drink:

[Blacktouch]

Yep, totally understandable.

I fully understand where you're coming from.

Back in January having dinner with two friends at Deli restaurant one evening, an elderly gentleman walked in with a much younger guy and everybody sitting at their tables was staring at them. But the couple did not care one little bit. And rightly so. But I guess most people will feel embarrassed.

[arsenal]

To be fair Blacktouch. Most people stare at most people walking into a restaurant. My famous fellow Londoner, Michael Caine who used to be a part owner of Langans once said.

"When you walk into a restaurant you're part of the show and then you sit down and join the audience."

[StevieWonders]

Yeah that's why, when picking up in my home city, I put them in the boot of the car.

Knocking them out with chloroform is just to prevent an anxiety attack due to claustrophobia - honest.

:drink:

I think it needs DI Jimmy Perez on the case, or is Rebus still on active service?

[lonelywombat]

Being in a lift with any stranger is slightly awkward and just a tad more so if one or more parties has a trick in tow. My technique, if my fellow liftee has company is to point to the guest and say PHWOOAAAR in a long and loud voice while simultaneously giving a thumbs up. That always breaks the tension.

In ten years of staying at the same hotel neither I nor any of my guests has caused a micropickle's worth of trouble to the hotel staff. Hence the warm, knowing smile that greets me whenever I walk in with a guest.

I was under the impression you still stay at Baan Dok Mai. Walked past there and you could not see the hotel because vendors packed the front. It would be a disappointment if you moved up a class to something new

[arsenal]

You seem to be "under the impression" of so many things that are incorrect these days. Poor lonely.
:p

[lonelywombat]

Now here is a chance to let us know you are not doing it rough at all Please share with us your choice of accommodation just as you share details of the worlds finest restaurant near Tukcom We are all on the lookout for your recommendations re where to stay

[arsenal]

Nah. I'll keep that private thanks.

[lonelywombat]

Oh gee we thought your commitment to Baan Dok Mai was 100% Where else can a poor guy go and still eat in tukcom Maybe Mosaik

[arsenal]

"We" Who else is confused about this? Haha.

[scottish-guy]

Oh gee we thought your commitment to Baan Dok Mai was 100%

He has moved to a new love nest:

6722

[arsenal]

:yahoo_mini:

[lonelywombat]

He almost seems ashamed to admit. When you consider all the free ads for DD it sounded as he lives there. Now his humble lodgings are hidden from sight.
Does he think he will be accused for taking kickbacks from the owners.

[Jellybean]

Now, what on earth have you done, arsenal, to disturb, The Wombat, normally one of the forum’s most agreeable of members. He certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something.

But, on reflection, I do believe you are correct not to give out any personal information as to your whereabouts while in Thailand.

You, more than most, I would hazard to guess, are aware of the fairly recent warnings given out by Detective Sonchai Jitpleecheep of the Royal Thai Police, here in Bangkok, about giving out too much information over the Internet.

One never knows what sort of fanatical characters are viewing a forum such as this. It is entirely within the bounds of credibility to imagine that out there is some crazy Japanese guy, who may or may not be stalking you after your recent eventful trip to Japan, where you reported that you stumbled upon some very unsavoury individuals.

Of course, the detective’s warnings were not restricted to any one nationality. This forum has an international readership and the very last thing you need is some deranged forum reader, with a grudge, bursting into your hotel bedroom and . . . well, better not be too graphic here, but I think you know where I was heading.

Yes, safety first in all matters is a good maxim to live your life by.

;)

[scottish-guy]

,,,your recent eventful trip to Japan, where you reported that you stumbled upon some very unsavoury individuals...

Can only imagine what the Japanese reported after meeting our esteemed moderator

:lol:

[arsenal]

I was esteemed.

Jellybean's reference to the good detective relates the the Bangkok Eight novels by John Burdett and are absolutely recommended.

He is of course right. As if I'd want the loonies, nutters and psychos who spit venom here daily knowing where I stay. Rest assured it's a quality establishment where gentlemen feel at home.

[Blacktouch]

Oh gee we thought your commitment to Baan Dok Mai was 100% Where else can a poor guy go and still eat in tukcom Maybe Mosaik

I stay at Mosaik. Would not stay anywhere else!

[lonelywombat]

I was esteemed.

Jellybean's reference to the good detective relates the the Bangkok Eight novels by John Burdett and are absolutely recommended.

He is of course right. As if I'd want the loonies, nutters and psychos who spit venom here daily knowing where I stay. Rest assured it's a quality establishment where gentlemen feel at home.

OMG all we loonies,nutters and psychos need to do is to go to DD for breakfast and watch for the big spender who buys the 99 baht breakfast with 100 baht and waits for his change. Then we get our gangs together and raid his living quarters and mix with the people who admire the people he brings home with him.
OMG he is so up himself he thinks he is Royality.

[arsenal]

Arise Sir Lonely. For services to food and humour here on SGT.

[scottish-guy]

LW, if he could get “up himself” as you put it he would save a lot of money and could afford to leave the 1B change as a tip

[lonelywombat]

That pic posted by Scottish-guy posting 34 looks like the mess outside that hotel but I am sure she/he was not working that stall. to be frank I wondered lf it was still in business

[arsenal]

Sir Lonely. I think you should invite Scottish Guy out for a nice breakfast. Even you can stretch to 238 baht. (its gone up) As the pair of you have similar dispositions and ages you'll get on well.

[scottish-guy]

In that case Lonely must also be decades younger than you.

You really need to get off this line of attack - it's like Quasimodo calling other people ugly

[arsenal]

Attack? I'm merely suggesting that ypurself and Sir Lonely are very similar and would get on well. No attack whatsoever.

[scottish-guy]

Perhaps better to address your own (considerable) shortcomings than to focus on the similarities or dissimilarities of people you don't know and have never met

[arsenal]

Why so nasty? I can't see how you and Sir Lonely wouldn't have plenty in common. Here, you come across as soul mates. What about it Sir Lonely? Breakfast with Scottish Guy?

[Dalewood]

Actually, one time in Bangkok the love of my life and I decided to go to Phuket at the spur of the moment. I actually wanted to go to Pattaya but he said it was run down, dirty, no good, and "finish" (It was the mid 80's). So we flew to Phuket and was met at the airport by the taxi from the resort I had booked and off we went. It was me, my bar buddy, and two friends/relatives of his and we had rented two bungalows on the beach.

Well, they also had a multi story hotel that sat up on a hill and that was where they put all their tour group visitors.

We decided to go to the swimming pool and swim so off we go to the pool; of course they get under the shower and thoroughly clean themselves before jumping in...well as they were doing that a bunch of old German fraus were hustling themselves and their kids out of the pool.

So we had the pool all to ourselves. Then the manager shows up and asks my Thai guests not to swim in the pool because the other guests didn't like having Thai's in their pool. I just looked at the manager and said, "I am paying full price for two bungalows and those big fat Germans, who only take a bath once a week don't want Thai's, who take baths three times a day to get their water dirty? I think my two bungalows make you more money than their deeply discounted hotel rooms do...

So then he offered us a deal. They had a beach that was a little ways off shore that they would boat us to every morning on of our stay and we could have the whole beach, the bar, and a picnic lunch all to ourselves. So the next morning off we went and had the time of our lives.....did that for three days.

Had a picture but it isn't uploading.....

I don’t get it. You fly 6000 miles to a foreign country and then do not want to be around the locals? I might have slugged the guy. Was he Thai or European ?

[TaoR]

He was Thai and I didn't get mad because I understood the situation he was in. After it was all said and done I have to admit he gave me an awesome alternative! A beautiful pristine beach without another person on it with free food and cheap booze...oh, and two very cute staff members...a very good time was had by all. When we checked out I thanked him and tipped him profusely as a good time was had by all! :)

Yes, non sex tourists can be baffling...they go to a foreign country to for sun, for fun, to shop, and to basically be waited on hand and foot....but they sure don't want to mingle.

[Jellybean]

. . . Yes, non sex tourists can be baffling...they go to a foreign country to for sun, for fun, to shop, and to basically be waited on hand and foot....but they sure don't want to mingle.

To make up for those baffling tourists, as you called them, who just come to Thailand for the sun, shopping and to be waited on hand and foot, I can assure you, TaoR, that as a fully paid up sex tourist, I am doing my level best to do as much mingling with as many of the locals as I possibly can!

;)

[Dalewood]

Anyone ever stay at a Marriott in Bangkok? My friend is well over thirty, but I wonder if staring eyes will drill holes in our backs, especially at American-heavy hotels. I have a free night certificate that will expire soon.

[StevieWonders]

Anyone ever stay at a Marriott in Bangkok? My friend is well over thirty, but I wonder if staring eyes will drill holes in our backs, especially at American-heavy hotels. I have a free night certificate that will expire soon.Yes I have; it depends on the Marriott. I've also stayed at the Le Meridien opposite Patpong, which - now that Marriott and Starwood have merged and mutually recognise the status of each others' members - is very handy as I'm now Platinum with both. Not sure about the holes being drilled but security are bound to look him up and down, and possibly challenge you.

[TaoR]

Jellybean, I think we need to be referred to as "cultural exchange ambassadors" rather than sex tourists! No one respects local culture and people more than we do. No one celebrates local people and customs as much as we do. No one enjoys and admires countries like we do and of course no one returns frequently to partake of a country and its people as much as we do.

[Jellybean]

Jellybean, I think we need to be referred to as "cultural exchange ambassadors" rather than sex tourists! No one respects local culture and people more than we do . . .

On this occasion TaoR, I am more than happy to be corrected. In fact, in previous years I have been rather partial to some light forms of cor-rec-tion, nothing too heavy, mind you.

So, yes, your suggestion to expunge the term ‘sex tourists’ from the lexicon of this forum and replacing it with ‘cultural exchange ambassador’ has my full support. Now, all we need is for Moses to issue an Executive Order with immediate effect stating:

Executive Order

Henceforth [now there’s a word you don’t hear every day] the use of the term “sex tourist” is banned from this forum. And when I say banned, I mean banned, not temporarily suspended. Got it?

The recommended alternative is, “cultural exchange ambassador”.

Rule breakers will be cor-rec-ted!

Now, let it be so.

Signed
Etc., etc.

;)

[Moses]

Now, all we need is for Moses to issue an Executive Order with immediate effect stating:


sure, at April 1...

[sglad]

...My friend is well over thirty, but I wonder if staring eyes will drill holes in our backs...I have a free night certificate that will expire soon.

Better make use of him quickly before his certificate expires. Over 30 is already pushing it!

[poshglasgow]

On this occasion TaoR, I am more than happy to be corrected. In fact, in previous years I have been rather partial to some light forms of cor-rec-tion, nothing too heavy, mind you.

So, yes, your suggestion to expunge the term ‘sex tourists’ from the lexicon of this forum and replacing it with ‘cultural exchange ambassador’ has my full support. Now, all we need is for Moses to issue an Executive Order with immediate effect stating:

Executive Order

Henceforth [now there’s a word you don’t hear every day] the use of the term “sex tourist” is banned from this forum. And when I say banned, I mean banned, not temporarily suspended. Got it?

The recommended alternative is, “cultural exchange ambassador”.

Rule breakers will be cor-rec-ted!

Now, let it be so.

Signed
Etc., etc.

;)

"Henceforth"? Chickens in fourth place?

[Dalewood]

Better make use of him quickly before his certificate expires. Over 30 is already pushing it!

It took a minute, but it finally sunk in ������

[scottish-guy]

Yeah, sometimes u just have to gently increase the pressure until you drive your point home

[StevieWonders]

Better make use of him quickly before his certificate expires. Over 30 is already pushing it!It's called "Sell-by date" isn't it?

[a447]

Only if the guy is "selling" himself.