Royal House massage pattaya

[zetor67]

i spent a visit to that place today, i was very surprised! in a good way!
after have visit some massage places around boystown and tukcom, i decide to try royal house.( near tukcom )
about 15 boys lined up, all good looking, some more as the others, but at least 4 or 5 guys i found narak
1 hour oil massage is 400 and tip minimum 500, shower together after the massage, your values are secured in the room and you get the key. a nice place to go back!!

[arsenal]

Absolutely concur. Several of the boys from Royal House also work at Dreamboys in Boyztown.

[Oliver]

Interesting....it's ten years since I went there, losing interest due to the small numbers of guys available in the afternoon. Has that changed?

[arsenal]

Like anything in Pattaya it changes from one day to the next. About 4.00pm there's usually 10+ boys.

[Mancs]

Where is it relative to Tukcom?

[Newbie99]

What’s the twink/top/straight ratio?

[francois]

Where is it relative to Tukcom?

Facing Tukcom, you proceed on the soi on the left side of Tukcom; go left at the soi at end of Tukcom. There it is. Or simply walk thru Tukcom; exit the rear door; turn left and proceed down that soi.
https://thailand.world-gay-guide.com/en/pc/detail/index.php?rainbow_no=323

[zetor67]

Where is it relative to Tukcom?

when you leave tukcom at the back door, turn left, go 100 meters straight ahead, and you'll fall into the boys arms.

[arsenal]

I've never been disappointed with any boy there. And usually a good selection to choose from. Offable too.

[frequent]

I've never been disappointed with any boy there.We know you're easily pleased

[catawampuscat]

I recently discovered Royal House. Several lads I like at Dream Boys, told me they work at RH during the afternoon.
One doesn’t have to pay an off, buy drinks or go to a short time room.
One lad I like told me the massage not necessary and we can go right into the whoppee part.
RH becomes a karaoke later in the evening.

[FarangRuMak]

i spent a visit to that place today, i was very surprised! in a good way!
after have visit some massage places around boystown and tukcom, i decide to try royal house.( near tukcom )
about 15 boys lined up, all good looking, some more as the others, but at least 4 or 5 guys i found narak
1 hour oil massage is 400 and tip minimum 500, shower together after the massage, your values are secured in the room and you get the key. a nice place to go back!!
Thanks for this post.
I hope it will prove that being generous with information is good for everyone.
Now 2 more posters (Arsenal. Catta..) have added further information re the Dream Boys connection etc.
It's a place I 'intended' visiting after a long absense but now after this I'm definitely going back.
If new customers turn up the boys will have more reason to stay and their friends may come also.
Win win for all concerned.

[arsenal]

So an early afternoon stroll to Royal House for a bit of r&r followed by a stroll to Deli Diner to enjoy their full English Breakfast and catch up with the latest thrilling and interesting posts here from Mr Chuckles. Could anything he better than that. Sex, food and high quality Dadaesque comedy all for 1720 baht.

[dinagam]

A full English breakfast at Deli Diner after an afternoon r & r at Royal House?
Is there a time warp in this scenario?

[Blacktouch]

A full English breakfast at Deli Diner after an afternoon r & r at Royal House?
Is there a time warp in this scenario?

Deli Diner serves full English breakfast all day.

[scottish-guy]

Gotta cater for those whose priority is sex, with eating relegated to a poor second place

[Marsilius]

I've never been disappointed with any boy there. And usually a good selection to choose from. Offable too.

I've never offed a boy from a massage place. How does that work? Do you pick one from the gaggle outside and then tell the manager you'd like to off him? Is the off fee the 400 B you would have paid in-house or more than that (because it will probably be more than an hour before he gets back)? Presumably the boy's tip is the same as you'd give to an offed go-go boy, assuming that he delivers what's required?

[frequent]

I've never offed a boy from a massage place. How does that work? Do you pick one from the gaggle outside and then tell the manager you'd like to off him? Is the off fee the 400 B you would have paid in-house or more than that (because it will probably be more than an hour before he gets back)? Presumably the boy's tip is the same as you'd give to an offed go-go boy, assuming that he delivers what's required?Unfortunately the answer is "it depends". I was staying in a friend's condo recently while he was away, and there was a small massage place across the road. I'd been there once for an in-house massage and found the only male employee there more than willing. Around 10pm one evening I wandered across and started chatting to the female manager, and was shortly thereafter joined by the masseur. She suggested I come in for a massage. I said I'd prefer one at home, gesturing to the condo building. "No problem" was the answer, and all I paid her was the listed massage cost. You won't know until you try, and there's no need to assume that an off fee is mandatory. I should add he was more than happy with 1,000 baht, which I paid him before the session started, and he went well beyond the call of duty

[lonelywombat]

So an early afternoon stroll to Royal House for a bit of r&r followed by a stroll to Deli Diner to enjoy their full English Breakfast and catch up with the latest thrilling and interesting posts here from Mr Chuckles. Could anything he better than that. Sex, food and high quality Dadaesque comedy all for 1720 baht.

I thought Arsenal would stop promoting his favourite eatery . Not a good lead from a moderator, whether he is being paid or not

[frequent]

I thought Arsenal would stop promoting his favourite eatery . Not a good lead from a moderator, whether he is being paid or notNothing arsenal does is a good lead from a Moderator. I can understand why, in his quest to turn SGT into TripAdvisor for Sodomites our esteemed proprietor chose a blogger - christian - and a pornographer - a447 - who both write about Thailand as a destination for sodomites. But arsenal?

[arsenal]

Marsilius. I paid the same fee and kept the boy for 2 hours. They're all freelance so it's up to them The FEB at Deli Diner remains quite the best in town and at 119 baht is not only amazing value but the perfect start to the day. And now, after writing that I want both sex and breakfast. Haha.

[frequent]

... I want both sex and breakfast.Isaan sausage perhaps?

[Blacktouch]

Marsilius. I paid the same fee and kept the boy for 2 hours. They're all freelance so it's up to them The FEB at Deli Diner remains quite the best in town and at 119 baht is not only amazing value but the perfect start to the day. And now, after writing that I want both sex and breakfast. Haha.

I fully agree that the full English breakfast for 119 baht at Deli Diner is excellent food and value for money.

And they do a smaller English breakfast at 99 baht.

Try it and enjoy!

[scottish-guy]

Please remember that prior to having his 119B FEB he's already had his bunghole pounded at a massage shop - he needs all the nutrition he can get after that and a 99B mini breakfast just wouldn't cut it.

I only hope that after a rough sex session at the massage shop there are no beans served with his breakfast - that could end very badly indeed.

[frequent]

Please remember that prior to having his 119B FEB he's already had his bunghole pounded at a massage shop - he needs all the nutrition he can get after that and a 99B mini breakfast just wouldn't cut it.

I only hope that after a rough sex session at the massage shop there are no beans served with his breakfast - that could end very badly indeed.

If it's bareback that means protein at both ends

[Moses]

I thought Arsenal would stop promoting his favourite eatery . Not a good lead from a moderator, whether he is being paid or not

Right after you will stop to promote Yupins, maybe? :))

I have no problems with promotion by the way... From moderators as well. Than more we will have updates on "where to eat, where to go, what to watch" - then better.

[lonelywombat]

[QUOTE=Moses;237688]Right after you will stop to promote Yupins, maybe? :))

I have no problems with promotion by the way... From moderators as well. Than more we will have updates on "where to eat, where to go, what to watch" - then better.[/QUOTE\

SORRY I AM USING ANOTHERS LAPTOP AND CANNOT GET LOWER CASE

I POSTED YUPINS OWN CIRCULAR TO VISITORS.IT INCLUDES DETAILS OF WHATS ON, GROUP BOOKINGS AND OTHER SOCIAL NEWS OF INTEREST TO ME. IT WAS NOT MY ENDORSEMENT OF YUPINS BUT HIS WORDS, FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MORE THAN HAPPY HOUR MEALS,HAPPY HOURS RENTALS AND HAPPY HOURS SEX.

MOSES MIGHT LIKE TO POST THE DATE I LAST POSTED YUPINS NEWSLETEER

[scottish-guy]

I find LW's "promotions" interesting but I wish he'd post details of venues offering "Happy Hour Sex"

[lonelywombat]

I find LW's "promotions" interesting but I wish he'd post details of venues offering "Happy Hour Sex"

The first one is in Sunee near the western end where an overweight guy goes in with 200 baht in 20 and masturbate about 10 boys each night.Is That Eros? Still at it I am told. Then in Nice Boys similar he calls boys off stage and he masturbates or sucks them for the same price.My friend was in last night what was old Euro boys bar, {that offers 79 baht draught beer} where the guy sitting next to him changed 200 baht into 20s for the same reason
Undoubtedly your Scottish heart must be beating madly at 3 bars in Sunee offering Happy Hour Sex

[scottish-guy]

I have witnessed and commented on that guy's routine many times - however that's not the point - he can do that at any time of his choosing, no "Happy Hour" is involved.

[lonelywombat]

I have witnessed and commented on that guy's routine many times - however that's not the point - he can do that at any time of his choosing, no "Happy Hour" is involved.

I had a phone call and 2 emails telling me the bar that serves the draft beer is Winners. The name Eros Blue was taken but not the location.
last night 3 elderly men came into Winners with 2 x 100 baht notes, requesting 20 baht notes They started to fondle any pretty ones they liked . Then the man mentioned at Eros, came in and moved to his new location and immediately started inviting boys over. Not Happy Hour Sex ,20 baht blowjobs in public? Four of them starting by 9.30 How many more later.
Happy hour is where the price is reduced to get custom.

[scottish-guy]

I know what a Happy Hour is LW - my point is that any "elderly man" could sit in any of these downmarket Sunee go-go bars (I've never been in Winners) with a bundle of 20B notes and carry on as you have described at any time they're open - it's not restricted to a certain time frame

Unless of course you prove me wrong by posting a pic of a sign outside e.g. Nice Boys saying NO 20B WANKS BEFORE 8PM/AFTER 9pm

[arsenal]

Well it certainly sounds like a pretty happy hour to me both for the customers and the boys. They love those regulars who give them 20 baht every time they come in, especially if they come in every day.

[scottish-guy]

:dash:

[francois]

last night 3 elderly men came into Winners with 2 x 100 baht notes, requesting 20 baht notes They started to fondle any pretty ones they liked .

Now,now Wombat, someone pointed you out to me the other day in Sunee Plaza and you also fit the description of elderly man.

The men who give tips to the boyz are to be commended, the men that sit on their hands are to be condemned.

fondle - Stroke or caress lovingly or erotically.-

[MiniMee]

I have witnessed and commented on that guy's routine many times

Wow! And according to LonelyWombat (or, as he has been told) that guy is still practicing his routine a decade later!

[a447]

Yes, he is.

And the guys flock to him every night.

After a bit of a grope they are handed their 20 baht - most welcome on a slow night when the bar is devoid of customers.

And much better than the guys who sit with a customer, are groped mercilessly for an hour and don't even get 20 baht.

Next time you are in Eros, ask the boys what they think of him. You won't hear a bad word against him.

[arsenal]

Absolutely.

[dab69]

On the subject of Dream Boys-do they still have the same nice "mamasan" guy?
Was there about 3-4 years ago and he was kinda fun. Didn't mind tipping him a bit.
Also they let their boys come in whenever on different days so if you don't see a stunner
come back the next night or so...

[lonelywombat]

Now,now Wombat, someone pointed you out to me the other day in Sunee Plaza and you also fit the description of elderly man.

The men who give tips to the boyz are to be commended, the men that sit on their hands are to be condemned.

fondle - Stroke or caress lovingly or erotically.-

francois I may even be close to your age However Pattaya is the home for most elderly gay gentlemen and it should be noted my friends and i did not notice one man under retirement age in that bar.
However francois accepts that men who pay 20 baht to jack off in the bar are to be commended. Others should/ must reward some boys even if they do not appeal. It was not noticed you doing that. maybe it is your feeling that others, but not you, should.
What about the people who visit the bar to look at the talent or to enjoy the draft beer.Will you bring your rule into force by insisting all bar visitors do so.
Winners has the highest pay for similar work in Pattaya
I believe Eros smells worse now that before Xmas.

[a447]

....that men who pay 20 baht to jack off in the bar....

That's very misleading.

The boys don't jack off; they play with themselves or let the customer do it for them.

But they don't cum. No guy is going to cum for 20 baht. It's just cock play.

[francois]

[QUOTE=lonelywombat;238063]
However francois accepts that men who pay 20 baht to jack off in the bar are to be commended. Others should/ must reward some boys even if they do not appeal. It was not noticed you doing that. maybe it is your feeling that others, but not you, should.
What about the people who visit the bar to look at the talent or to enjoy the draft beer.Will you bring your rule into force by insisting all bar visitors do so.
[/QUOTE

Wombat, I never saw you in any bar, but then, I only saw you once walking in Sunee Plaza.
And you have no idea who I am !
I always tip the bar boyz as a courtesy to them.
As for those who visit the bars and enjoy the beer, so be it, but remember, the boyz are there to earn some money and without some tips and offs there will be no more bars and boyz.
I never mentioned that the boyz "jack themselves off or the farangs jack off" for 20 Baht, that is your spin. You sure have a way of twisting the facts to suit yourself.

[arsenal]

The accepted 'fees' are as follows.

Quick grope. 20 baht.
Drink with boy. 100 baht.
Drink and some good fun with boy. 200 baht.
Boy comes for you. 300 baht.

Other services and prices available on request. Please ask your waiter for today's special.

[francois]

The accepted 'fees' are as follows.

Quick grope. 20 baht.


Your accepted fees are on the mark although the quick grope category is somewhat discretionary; 20 Baht is common, 40 Baht is not uncommon, and there are some generous chaps who give 100 Baht.

[lonelywombat]

I was in Winners the other night with my Australian friend and his Thai friend.We were interrupted by his Thai friend "him cum" We all looked across as we were sitting at a side table, and boy was most embarrassed by sudden explosion.
I looked away but the Thai boy kept watching until he left. Him give 20baht,not good.Thai boy was shocked.
No it was not the guy formerly Eros ,who was in attendance .
I think Arsenal figure were out of date .Some ask for a quick look maybe a feel But anything more is overkill.

[frequent]

I was in Winners the other night with my Australian friend and his Thai friend.We were interrupted by his Thai friend "him cum" We all looked across as we were sitting at a side table, and boy was most embarrassed by sudden explosion.Are you sure he hadn't just spilled his margarita?

[lonelywombat]

Are you sure he hadn't just spilled his margarita?
If he had been bought a drink at all,it would have been the cheapest

[frequent]

If he had been bought a drink at all,it would have been the cheapestBy that I assume you mean the lowest quality, since all drinks are the same price in those sort of bars (so I'm told) so there's no such differential as "expensive"

[francois]

I think Arsenal figure were out of date .Some ask for a quick look maybe a feel But anything more is overkill.

You mean they were to low or too high? Fact is they are correct.

If the customer gave the boy only 20 Baht then he really is a Cheap Charlie.
I have heard similar stories of a customer stiffing a boy in Eros with a meager tip which left the boy in tears.

[scottish-guy]

Your accepted fees are on the mark although the quick grope category is somewhat discretionary; 20 Baht is common, 40 Baht is not uncommon, and there are some generous chaps who give 100 Baht.

Let's just call a spade a spade:

Apparently you can have a " quick grope" of a boy young enough to be your grandson for 20B or 46 UK pence or half a Euro or 64 US cents
whilst sums of 40B or 92p, 1 Euro, or $1.28 are not uncommon, and positively "generous" sex fiends might splurge 100B or £2.31 or 2.59 Euro or $3.19

Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators

[arsenal]

An interesting moral point raised most eloquently by Scottish Guy. I'm sure others will take stock of the ethical position regarding prostitution in all its many and varied forms. Thank you for posting.

[francois]

Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators

What is your suggested tip, scottish-guy? I mean what do you tip in the bars in Pattaya when you are here?

[a447]

Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators

You're wrong.

The tipping of 20 baht didn't get my "approval" or "kudos." It didn't get my disapproval, either. I purposely refrained from expressing a personal opinion either way. I was merely reporting here what the boys have told me.

At the end of the day, the approval or disapproval of the tip in this case can only be made by the recipients, not an onlooker.

That's what I was reporting on, nothing else.

BTW, I've mentioned previously that my minimum tip is 100 baht, so your assertion that I approve of a 20 baht tip is false.

And SG, you conveniently disregarded the fact that money goes a lot further in Thailand than in the UK, America or Europe.

And if you consider that the average daily wage is apparently 300 baht per day 20 baht doesn't sound so bad at all.

At least from the boys' point of view.

And theirs is the only one that really counts.

[aot871]

i might be paying too much but if i go into a normal open beer bar , , have a drink an chat to a boy , i tend to leave a tip of 100 for him

[arsenal]

Your question is a little unfair Francois. Scottish guy has been in a loving and monogamous relationship of equals for eight years so it's unlikely he's visited any go go bars and certainly hasn't groped any boy in that time.

[scottish-guy]

1. Francois, I have never tipped less than 100B and that is without sexual contact in public. Maybe for a boy to sit and talk - with or without a view to making a deal. One thing I would not do is grope/wank/suck lads off in public - as I think it's utterly demeaning for both parties. However, I'm aware there are some people who choose to carry out their low-class, disgusting behaviour in public and then tip a pittance for it - all I am doing is drawing attention to the sleaziness of it and the relative meagreness of a 20B/40B tip.

2. a447 - I was referring to your statement where you (and Arsenal) posted that '20B' guy was tremendously popular. Did I miss a bit where you expressed any disapproval? Since you didn't express any disapproval then I assumed your approval. If it helps, I'll modify my description of your attitude to these goings-on from 'approve' to 'condone'. Is that better for you?

Your assertion that it is only the opinion of the exploited prostitute which counts is breathtaking - no doubt those starving prostitutes in Haiti thought they were getting a good deal from the Oxfam charity workers - but almost everybody else (with the exception of LatintopXXX no doubt) thinks otherwise

[arsenal]

Thank you for your clarification Scottish Guy. It's good to know that morality has not entirely left us in modern society.

[a447]

"I assumed..."

Therein lies the problem.

I'm not "approving" or "condoning" anything.

I'm simply stating the boys' point of view, as expressed to me many times over the years.

As for "exploited prostitutes" the guys who I've been seeing on a regular basis over all these years in Bangkok and Pattaya would die laughing if they heard that.

Sure, they are "prostitutes." They'd be the first to admit that. But "exploited"? Hardly.

They are all enjoying the hi-so lifestyle and could have retired from the game years ago and set up a business back home.

I reported earlier that last trip I didn't get to see one of my regulars in Bsngkok - he was in Issan building a huge two-storey house for his parents. And an American customer has bought him a new Ford truck - I also wrote about that in my last report. Last year the same customer took him on a holiday to Japan and another took him to Singapore.

Do you really think he feels "exploited"?

He might even see himself as an astute businessman!

"Your assertion that it is only the opinion of the exploited prostitute which counts is breathtaking "

Again, you've read something into my comment which isn't there. I did not make any assertion whatsoever about prostitutes in general being exploited. I was specifically commenting on the boys' attitude to the customer's 20 baht tips. Nothing more.

Your insinuation regarding my alleged attitude to Oxfam's behaviour in Haiti is disappointing.

Whether or not prostitutes are, by the nature of the job, being exploited is another issue. Perhaps you'd like to start a thread on that topic.

[francois]

1. Francois, I have never tipped less than 100B and that is without sexual contact in public. Maybe for a boy to sit and talk - with or without a view to making a deal. One thing I would not do is grope/wank/suck lads off in public - as I think it's utterly demeaning for both parties. However, I'm aware there are some people who choose to carry out their low-class, disgusting behaviour in public and then tip a pittance for it - all I am doing is drawing attention to the sleaziness of it and the relative meagreness of a 20B/40B tip.


is
You are to be commended, SG, for your tipping practices. Having a boy sit with you does warrant a 100+Baht tip. On the other hand giving a 20/40 Baht tip for a fondle, is not disgusting behavior. This is especially true when one visits the bar, night after night, it is simply a reward. The disgusting behavior is those who just sit and gawk and never tip.

[scottish-guy]

One man's meat etc.....

Francois and I shall have to agree to differ on what is or what is not demeaning behaviour and a447 and I shall have to agree to disagree about what constitutes exploitation

[frequent]

They are all enjoying the hi-so lifestyle ...What a rich fantasy life a447 must have if he believes that a bunch of bar prostitutes, however well remunerated, are enjoying "the hi-so lifestyle". Perhaps he could devote a separate post to describing what he conceives the "hi-so" lifestyle to be. At the very least it includes attending cocktail parties where members of the government and descendants of the royal family (known by their honorific "na Ayutthaya" suffix) are to be found. Ask yourself - how likely is that? On the other hand it's merely another example of the unparalleled understanding of Thai culture, society and politics of the Three Stooges who moderate here

[frequent]

An interesting moral point raised most eloquently by Scottish Guy. I'm sure others will take stock of the ethical position regarding prostitution in all its many and varied forms. Thank you for posting.And the legal position? Like lese majeste, prostitution is illegal in Thailand yet here we have a Forum wholly devoted to celebrating it

[arsenal]

Far be it for me to try and second guess what lies behind Scottish Guy's strong ethical standpoint. But I think he's saying he doesn't go into go go bars because he doesn't want to see "disgusting behaviour" and also because he can't stand to see the young third world sex workers exploitation. As I said, I for one am glad that strong, paternalistic and old fashioned Victorian morals are still to be found in modern society and here on Sawatdee. His outrage does him credit.

[frequent]

Far be it for me to try and second guess what lies behind Scottish Guy's strong ethical standpoint.Really? Yet you're on the record claiming to know what posters "really" mean when they make cryptic or ambiguous posts. Do make up your mind

[arsenal]

:music_mini:

[frequent]

:music_mini:No point in showing us a GIF that shows rhythmic movements - we already know you're a wanker

[scottish-guy]

I’m not “outraged” in the least - just happen to think that an elderly man who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view, and who tips them 20B, demeans himself and shamelessy exploits each boy.

Further, anybody who regards such behaviour as standard is clearly deluding himself and anybody who says it must be ok because the boys are happy (due to their impecunious circumstances) to accept 20B to be molested in public, just leaves me shaking my head in despair at the lack of insight.

Prostitution will always survive as there will always be a market, and it will always be explotative - I fully accept that - but what we dont have to do is to rub the boys noses in it by behaving shamelessly or approving/condoning/making excuses for those who do

[arsenal]

Thanks for the clarification Scottish Guy. If I understand you correctly it's the age of the customer you find so disgusting. If a younger man does it it's OK. That's an interesting moral viewpoint to take and one that will no doubt attract interest. How old is the acceptable age for this shameless sexual behaviour? What's the cut off point?

[scottish-guy]

You totally (and probably deliberately) misunderstand - its not the age of the punter per se - I only refer to “elderly” because the particular customer under discussion fits the description.

At no point did I say it would be acceptable if he was (say) 35

[arsenal]

OK so it's the act itself.Thanls for the clarification. The problem with Victorian style morals such as yours is that, commendable as they are, someone has to pay for them. Not the moraliser but the supposed 'victim'. A boy can make several hundred baht a night from these activities and often a lot more. 500 baht is not uncommon. If this behaviour which so appals you is stopped, as you would like it so, how is the money the boys (poor boys as you've stated) receive to be replaced. How will they buy food, pay the rent, feed the kids etc if one of their major sources of income is withdrawn on the whims of a western progressive occasional tourist?

[scottish-guy]

I assume you have seen this particular guy “in action” as I have?

If so you will have noticed that not all the boys are willing to play his demeaning game - around 50% will come forward to be molested in public whilst the others opt out. Why do you think the others opt-out (assuming it’s not because they are living that hi-so lifestyle we are hearing about and don’t need the money)?

Could it possibly be because they do not regard the activity as some kind of jolly jape as you seem to? That they actually find it humiliating?

As far as I am aware the go-go bars in question do not have a nightly mortality rate of 50% caused by boys starving to death by foregoing their 20B for this particular “activity” and I don’t think my disapproval of it will result in mass hardship as you suggest - not least because things will continue irrespective of my opinion or that of any other “occasional tourist” - and rightly so

[arsenal]

Its not one person doing this. Its most of the customers. Its not 20 baht. Its several hundred baht and it makes the difference beteeen having money and not having it. So where is the replacement money coming from if the activity you find so shocking and offensive ends? This is all about the money?

[frequent]

A boy can make several hundred baht a night from these activities and often a lot more ...And enjoy "the hi-so lifestyle" according to your fellow Stooge

[scottish-guy]

“Most of the customers”? Are you sure about that - it seems highly improbable - I myself have only seen one guy behave in this manner - and everybody who regularly frequents Sunee knows who I mean - and whilst I accept that others may now be copying him I’d be surprised if “most” are

[arsenal]

Let's not get sidetracked Scottish Guy. Where is the replacement money coming from?

[a447]

I myself have only seen one guy behave in this manner - and everybody who regularly frequents Sunee knows who I mean...

Just a quick point. I'm referring to the guy originally mentioned by lonelywombat - the guy who turns up in Eros every night.

I've never seen anyone "who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view."

"because they are living that hi-so lifestyle"

I was simply repeating the expression the boys use themselves. And as always, I was referring solely to personal experience, not to other bar boys with whom I have had no interaction.

I don't know what their opinion is on anything. And nor am I aware of the lifestyle they lead.

[arsenal]

The line and sucking thing. Me neither actually a447.

[frequent]

"because they are living that hi-solifestyle". I was simply repeating the expression the boys use themselves.I've always thought you were a complete fool a447, but taking what bar boy tells you at face value elevates even your naivety to a whole new level. However it's of a piece with the unparalleled knowledge and understanding of Thai culture, society and history displayed by you and your fellow Stooges in every post the three of you make

[francois]

I’m not “outraged” in the least - just happen to think that an elderly man who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view, and who tips them 20B, demeans himself and shamelessy exploits each boy.


,
I do agree with you, SG, in this particular matter. I have only seen this happen in one bar.

And yes, it is demeaning especially so for 20 Baht.

[arsenal]

9623 posts and every one of them ignorant etc etc according to Frequent. Mr Meany.

[frequent]

9623 posts and every one of them ignorant etc etc according to Frequent. Mr Meany.As the Americans say "suck it up"

[scottish-guy]

Let's not get sidetracked Scottish Guy. Where is the replacement money coming from?

I don't accept the alleged substantial loss would exist - where's you proof that it would?

You made a statement that most customers are behaving in this way - substantiate it -" I don't belieeeeve it" as Victor would say

[arsenal]

Which behaviour is your Victorian prudeishness aghast at? The sucking, the groping, the chuck wow or all three. You seem to be confused as to what offends you.

[scottish-guy]

The line and sucking thing. Me neither actually a447.

You all know him perfectly well - it's the guy with what's either the world's most godawful hairstyle or the worst-ever wig- we have had this discussion before but now, suddenly, miraculously, you don't know who I mean or what he does.

On his way out the door he has those who will come forward, line up on the edge of the stage and does as I've described - briefly wanks and sucks each one, gives them 20B and leaves.

[arsenal]

Please answer my question.

[frequent]

Please answer my question.Can Mods now demand answers to their questions? I recall a447 suffers from the same delusion in his OCD posts

[scottish-guy]

Which behaviour is your Victorian prudeishness aghast at? The sucking, the groping, the chuck wow or all three. You seem to be confused as to what offends you.


You seem to be having a memory lapse from only 7 or 8 hours ago - we have been through that dear

[scottish-guy]

Can Mods now demand answers to their questions? I recall a447 suffers from the same delusion in his OCD posts

Apparently so - and they can now (during a "hiatus" in which they are not posting) apparently demand answers not just on matters of fact but on statements they make based only on their opinions - however unsubstantiated and fanciful those might be - such as "most" customers are now tipping go-go boys 20B to masturbate and fellate them in public

[arsenal]

So the answer is? Or do you not want to be clear,about what exactly offends you?

[scottish-guy]

It's perfectly clear: expecting/demanding demeaning sexual acts in public - and the miserable 20B tip (for what's being expected) compounds it

[frequent]

If I can interpolate my own experience from this afternoon. I popped into one of my favourite haunts in the Surawong/Silom/Sathorn area where a number of guys performed or had performed on them (or both) sexual acts in public for a miserable 0 baht ie. just for the hell of it. I think hanging around with a hard-on is certainly expecting/demanding; whether they found it demeaning or not I cannot say, but I had a good time

[scottish-guy]

In my opinion it demeans the customer behaving in such a way and it certainly demeans me as I am forced to watch it!

Years ago I stopped going into the Golden Cock because of the sexual acts taking place in public. I really don't want to be compelled to see some repulsive farang with his todger out getting it wanked or slobbered over by 2 or 3 sex workers. You can't look in their direction and you cant look away either because the place is/was extensively mirrored.

Incidentally, the mirrors are/were so manky I had to bring a bottle of Windex and a chamois leather with me so I could get a better view ..................

:D

[arsenal]

All of them?

[scottish-guy]

No - some of the mirrors were mankier than others - thanks for asking

[arsenal]

All of the activities?

[arsenal]

Because through all the guff and puff my basic question to you remains unanswered Scottish Guy. Where is the replacement money the boys get from these activities coming from if these activities stop?

[scottish-guy]

For the second and last time - your point is moot as I do not accept the loss of a 20B tip from what I suggest is a tiny minority of degenerates who wish to wank and suck a line of boys off in full view of "decent" customers would cause any boy to starve to death or be evicted from their loom.

I simply reject your assertion that the practice is widespread - that 'everybody's doing it' as the song goes, and that boys are making hundreds of Baht per night from it - I think you're fantasising (and rather unhealthily at that) - so I'm not going to waste my time answering your ludicrous question.

In your increasingly pathetic attempts to get one over on me you were not even able to stay away as you indicated (your very first post after your unsustainable "hiatus" was directed at me was it not?) and it seems to me you have finally flipped altogether

[arsenal]

Well that IS an answer. Your viewpoint got clouded as you moved from aggravated discussion into full blown Scottish Guy mode. You know what I mean. So it's only the public sucking you find repellent. A clear answer. Thanks for the clarification. Amd thanks for posting.

[frequent]

Because through all the guff and puff my basic question to you remains unanswered Scottish Guy. Where is the replacement money the boys get from these activities coming from if these activities stop?Why should anyone care? None of us are responsible for the decisions others make about how they will earn a living. It’s not as if there aren’t other jobs they could do

[FarangRuMak]

Re "Royal House Massage" near Tuk Com I made my 1st visit there in 5 years, recently.
Nine boys presented themselves while I looked at the menu.
I opted for the Cream Massage @Bt 450/1 hour.
The Mamassan muttered some vague words into my ear which included 'special' and 'thousand'.
Then I had to chose from all the smiling faces and different body types; all at least 20 years old and a few very close to their second score, a few well built, a few medium and 2 slim.
I opted for the tall, slim, smiling 'Gan'.
While going to the stairway I noticed a sweating hulk lifting a weight in a small gym.
He obviously had no interest in joining the line-up for me.
These well-built guys often have a dedicated customer base.
Gan turned out to be handsome, a little hairy and very much a 'man' and a very NICE man.
When trying to pay in the office after a very satisfying hour I proffered a Thousand Baht Note.
The reaction was similar to handing a shopkeeper in London a Scottish 20 pound note in terms of reaction.
The Mamasson repaired to the reception in search of 'change' among the Boys but as she had gone to the Goat House for wool she was back quickly with the non-negotiable 1000.
I cobbled together 430 baht which appeared to satisfied her.
Gan did ok out of the incident.
I will be back.
You know the moment you enter that generations if Males have enjoyed themselves there.

[Jellybean]

Thanks for your review, FarangRuMak. To be honest, I've walked by the massage parlours around Tuk-com on many an occasion, but never stopped, as the masseurs have always struck me as too effeminate and not to my taste.

But the recent positive reviews for Royal House Massage have piqued my interest and, your mention of finding a hairy lad, has definitely aroused my curiosity. So when I'm in Pattaya next week, I'll be sure to drop in and see for myself if things have really changed.

And while I'm here, there's a question that I've been meaning to ask you, the Caucasian-who-knows-much. Did you ever appear on the stage at the London Palladium and were you ever asked, what are the 39 steps?

;)

[FarangRuMak]

No, but I have read the book - over rated
Your not being a Narcissist like a few notables here no doubt have a sense of irony?
Re the Massage place; exit Tuk Com by the rear entrance and go down the soi on your keft.
Sometimes there's click-bait outside, sometimes there's not.

[a447]

And some of the guys can be a little....er...."rough."

[Jellybean]

No, but I have read the book - over rated
Your not being a Narcissist like a few notables here no doubt have a sense of irony?
Re the Massage place; exit Tuk Com by the rear entrance and go down the soi on your keft.
Sometimes there's click-bait outside, sometimes there's not.

Narcissists on this forum? Oh, surely not, FarangRuMak. I find that very hard to believe. ;)

As for me, with a face like a Bulldog chewing a wasp, I can assure you, I don't do any staring into pools or looking glasses these days. :D

And thanks for the directions to Royal House Massage. I may post about my experience, but maybe not, I doubt there's much I could add to your review.

I may however create a new topic and post about my experiences of massage joints in Bangkok, something I have not done for some time.


And some of the guys can be a little....er...."rough."

When you say some of the guys are a bit rough, a447, do you mean they have hands like grà-dàat-saai (sandpaper), or do you mean the masseur is likely to forget I'm not as supple as I once was and pummel my back like he was tenderising a steak, or twist my body into positions it's not seen for at least 40 years? If the latter, then thanks for the heads up, a447.

Hmmm . . . I had better tell the masseur from the start ... mâi yàap geen-bpai kráp! (not too rough!). Hopefully, that will do the trick and save me from a visit to the accident & emergency wing of the local hospital!

;)

[a447]

you mean they have hands like grà-dàat-saai (sandpaper), or do you mean the masseur is likely to forget I'm not as supple as I once was and pummel my back like he was tenderising a steak, or twist my body into positions it's not seen for at least 40 years?

No, I mean in the sense that some of the guys I've spoken to outside the establishment appeared to be escapees from the local juvenile detention centre.

Not hi-so, that's for sure!

[Jellybean]

No, I mean in the sense that some of the guys I've spoken to outside the establishment appeared to be escapees from the local juvenile detention centre.

Not hi-so, that's for sure!

Ooops . . . sorry, I totally misunderstood your post at #103, a447.

Ok, I had better take some sensible precautions by leaving my watch and mobile telephone (cell phone) back at the hotel and take only as much money with me as I am likely to need for an afternoon’s R&R.

No point in putting temptation in harm’s way, is there?

[a447]

No point in putting temptation in harm’s way, is there?

Definitely no point in doing that.

As a victim of theft at a massage place (partly my own fault) I leave everything back at the hotel and take only 3000 baht with me.

[catawampuscat]

You can see the same boys at Dream Boys on Pattayaland soi 1 on any night.
I find it convenient not to have to pay off fee, not to have to buy drinks and no short time room fee either,
One can skip the massage and go right to the main event.

[frequent]

You can see the same boys at Dream Boys on Pattayaland soi 1 on any night.
I find it convenient not to have to pay off fee, not to have to buy drinks and no short time room fee either,
One can skip the massage and go right to the main event.Are they not on Grindr?

[scottish-guy]

Catty - if the "same boys" are working at Dream Boys then surely the off fee and drinks costs are even higher?

Or do you mean are they loitering outside?

OMG "juvenile delinquents" loitering in the street.......I'm getting a twitch

[Moses]

Are they not on Grindr?

Who uses Grindr in Thailand nowadays? Blued!

Look at the pictures - distances: there are 100+ boys online just in radius of 1 km.

Bangkok, my location at time of taking the screenshot was near Chong Nonsi BTS:
6711



Pattaya (my location was near Dongtan beach):
6712

[arsenal]

Blued is a seriously good app. Excellent translation and you can choose to send photos that automatically delete after 5 seconds. Very useful if you're an elderly old guy from a harsh climate and a diet of deep fried everything.

[scottish-guy]

Out of that lot I think there's 1 that'd I'd class as attractive

[gerefan2]

Out of that lot I think there's 1 that'd I'd class as attractive

IMHO the standard this year in Pattaya and Jomtien is at an all time low.

[scottish-guy]

IMHO the standard this year in Pattaya and Jomtien is at an all time low.

Are you referring to boys or the punters

:D

[arsenal]

I have to agree with Gerefan. There were very few new boys. IIn Boyztown the building work definitely had a detrimental effect so with few customers many of the boys left.

[sglad]

IMHO the standard this year in Pattaya and Jomtien is at an all time low.

I thought the standard of farangs in Pattaya have always been low - how much lower can they go?

[Jellybean]

To paraphrase Bette Davis, I can't believe I chose this crappy massage joint for my first massage in Pattaya. What a dump!

Actually, it was no worse than many such places I have visited; I just couldn’t resist the introductory first paragraph.

There were around 10-15 very manly guys available, thankfully, not a skinny effeminate guy in sight. I think the description of 'escapees from a juvenile detention centre' by a447 very suitably sums them up. But had I not visited a truly scary massage joint in Bangkok the previous week, where nearly all of the masseurs could be accurately described as ‘old lags’, Category ‘A’, high risk, cut throats if detained in Her Majesty’s Prisons in the UK, I might have been put off. But with that experience under my belt, the Royal House masseurs were sweet Mummy’s boys in comparison, trust me!

I didn't even get a good look at most of them. This may seem odd, but I find it very awkward staring and sizing up the guys in these type of situations. A two-way mirror would have spared my blushes, but no such luck. That's the advantage of being in a go-go bar; I don't feel as pressurised, unless, of course, I'm the only customer in the bar.

A cute tattooed lad quickly attracted my attention and the selection process was settled speedily. I chose an oil massage at a cost of 400 Baht.

And, FarangRuMak, the papasan also whispered in my ear, he said something along the following lines: “Psssssst . . . hey Mister, 500 Baht tip to boy for massage, or 1,000 Baht for sex. OK?” To which I replied, “Er . . . yes, OK.”

Upstairs, after using the toilet, I went to wash my hands, but discovered the wash hand basin in the toilet had no running water. Even if it had, there was no plumbing under the sink so the water would have spilled out on to the floor. Interesting!

My masseur escorted me to the shower stall. Hmmm . . . there was no soap or shampoo in the shower. Just as well I had showered before I left my hotel.

My chosen boy showered in the stall next to me. But dear God, he gave a very good impression of being a consumptive, given the amount of hawking and spitting up of phlegm I heard. Yuck! It almost, but didn’t quite put me off my massage. :D

There was no relaxing background music, which I occasionally enjoy, as it helps me unwind and enjoy the first part of the massage. The masseur had nice soft hands and, much to my relief, performed his task naked. When he got up on to the table from behind me, I could feel his dingly-dangly bits brushing against my legs, which, dear reader, I’ll admit to being a very pleasant sensation.

Overall, the massage was very good, I thoroughly enjoyed it. However, when I turned over and first of all felt, then saw his manhood; I was deeply disappointed to find it had been enhanced. I’m sure I have encountered this before; I just can’t remember the last time. I'm sure I would have been happily satisfied with the appendage nature had given the lad, but he clearly was not. If I say it looked like a sausage wrapped in a hot dog bun, I think you will have a fairly accurate picture of what it looked like.

Up until that moment I was planning on having a repeat session with him, but now, probably not. To compensate for the damage he had done to his under-carriage, he, thankfully, made up for it on his rear, which was gloriously hairy. But it took some persistence to get him to open his butt cheeks, each time I touched his ass he would cry out, “ják-gà-jii . . . ják-gà-jii” (It’s ticklish! It’s ticklish!). But I was resolute in my determination and he soon became desensitised, or at least stopped crying out, and the both of us had a very happy ending.

He asked to see me again, so all must have gone well. I tipped him 1,100 Baht, but cannot decide whether I want to see him again. He again asked if I would return, I did not give him an emphatic reassurance and simply replied, “àat-jà kráp” (maybe).

The trouble is, when I visited the massage parlour, I was the only customer. If I return and find yet again I am the only customer, I shall no doubt find myself in a bit of a quandary. Should I really ignore him, well apart from a gentle nod of the head in recognition, and choose another masseur? But what if the other masseur is a dud? This is the risk we, cultural exchange ambassadors, take, whenever we enter a massage parlour or go-go bar.

Oh! Decisions, decisions!

[arsenal]

A more blatant attempt to purloin the coveted position of SGT Cultural Attache to Pattaya its impossible.to imagine. Nice report Jelybean. However applications for for job are still being sought from suitably qualified candidates.

[a447]

Well, I think I'd be eminently suitable for the esteemed position, as I promise I'd be totally hands-on.

[dinagam]

Jellybean, I'm glad the masseur finally relented to your fondest exploit.
Perhaps boys will be more calm and accommodating once seated in this chair.

[Jellybean]

Jellybean, I'm glad the masseur finally relented to your fondest exploit.
Perhaps boys will be more calm and accommodating once seated in this chair.

How very interesting, dinagam. There you go again with your psychic powers, which I referred to in another topic. Or maybe there is a more down to earth explanation, perhaps you work for the NSA or GCHQ and have been eavesdropping on me and know all about my little, er . . . foibles. Mmmm . . . now there’s a scary thought.

But one of those chairs installed in my dungeon, er . . . I mean, basement, would definitely come in very handy. I’ve . . . [cough, cough] . . . seen such chairs used to great effect in gay porn movies when I was doing some research into specialist chairs and their various applications.

:D

[scottish-guy]

Hmmm - the "specialist chairs" of interest to most SGT members are probably more like this:

6729

[poshglasgow]

Hmmm - the "specialist chairs" of interest to most SGT members are probably more like this:

6729

The little turret in the centre of the landing pad, SG, does it, by any chance, vibrate? Perhaps it's a safety device destined to explode should the pilot fall asleep.

Any indication of its top speed when those of average weight are in the driving seat? Can it transport one safely to Bangkok Airport? Does it have a dedicated lane at the tollbooths?

[scottish-guy]

Well I thought the “litte turret” was a rectal prolapse re-locator - but it turns out it’s the handle for the lid of the pot.

The real boon of the unit is that one can sit (not a typo) on one’s commode in Sunee, scoffing the meal loaf and soaking up the scintillating bonhomie without worrying about becoming “unwell in the trousers” - which I understand is a fear of certain people in their mid-seventies whom I wouldn't dream of naming

[francois]

Redundant.

[scottish-guy]

No, the mid-70's guy I was referring to isn't redundant - he's set himself up as a part time restaurant critic among other useless ego-stroking indulgences

[arsenal]

I've mentioned it before but worth repeating. Royal House is a karaoke.bar after about midnight and well worth a late night beer.

[newalaan2]

On the subject of Dream Boys-do they still have the same nice "mamasan" guy? Was there about 3-4 years ago and he was kinda fun. Didn't mind tipping him a bit.


I recently discovered Royal House. Several lads I like at Dream Boys, told me they work at RH during the afternoon.
One doesn’t have to pay an off, buy drinks or go to a short time room.


Upstairs, after using the toilet, I went to wash my hands, but discovered the wash hand basin in the toilet had no running water. Even if it had, there was no plumbing under the sink so the water would have spilled out on to the floor. Interesting! My masseur escorted me to the shower stall. Hmmm . . . there was no soap or shampoo in the shower. Just as well I had showered before I left my hotel.
There was no relaxing background music, which I occasionally enjoy, as it helps me unwind and enjoy the first part of the massage.

Don't have any recent info to offer on Royal House as it's over a decade since I've visited. But on the Dreamboys Bar connection I did visit there recently on last trip and while the man-boys with tatts are not my preferred kind of lad, I found the guys there made an effort and were good fun, also there were 2-3 very attractive/cute/handsome lads in the line up and if Dreamboys lads are an example of the attitude over at Royal House then it would seem a visit could be worthwhile.

Dab69, I think I know the mamasan in Dreamboys you are referring to, if it's the same guy, yes he was a lot of fun and previously worked at Krazy Dragon where he was just as amusing and enthusiastic. He wasn't there when I visited in Feb, but there are now two older mamasans at Dreamboys and although try to chat with the 'which boy you like etc' line they will leave you alone if you indicate you don't require any 'help'. In fact I also ran into them at Silipin Issan one night and they invited me over to their table to 'chink' glasses and top up my glass, (I didn't as was on Vodka rather than 285) but they were very polite/chatty, they also had 3-4 very cute lads at their table, probably 'Dream' Boys.

Thanks to Jellybean for his 'detailed' Royal House visit, over at Gay Thailand there are tons of massage shop reviews but only very few here, I know many here do use the massage shops so it's good to get recent updates. Anyway just to advise that the same type of man-boys at Royal House are also available round at Helios Massage (formerly Blue House) just down the soi from Tuk Com. The attraction might be for some (given Jellybean's experience at Royal House) is that they have good in-room shower cubicles with shampoo/soap etc and hot/cold water as their standard room so no valuables security concerns. They do have some kind of piped music as I remember but if you have music on your phone or MP3 they are quite happy for you to put it on speaker, and as noted by Jellybean it does add to the relaxing atmosphere during the main massage for me.

[francois]

No, the mid-70's guy I was referring to isn't redundant - he's set himself up as a part time restaurant critic among other useless ego-stroking indulgences

Sorry, I meant my post was redundant. I had previously posted a response and then realized it was redundant. Always difficult to delete a post once it is made.

[Jellybean]

. . . Thanks to Jellybean for his 'detailed' Royal House visit, over at Gay Thailand there are tons of massage shop reviews but only very few here, I know many here do use the massage shops so it's good to get recent updates. Anyway just to advise that the same type of man-boys at Royal House are also available round at Helios Massage (formerly Blue House) just down the soi from Tuk Com. The attraction might be for some (given Jellybean's experience at Royal House) is that they have good in-room shower cubicles with shampoo/soap etc and hot/cold water as their standard room so no valuables security concerns. They do have some kind of piped music as I remember but if you have music on your phone or MP3 they are quite happy for you to put it on speaker, and as noted by Jellybean it does add to the relaxing atmosphere during the main massage for me.

Thanks for letting me know about Helios Massage, newalaan2. I wish I had received your advice earlier, as I passed by Helios one afternoon, a day or two after, my visit to Royal House Massage. I was in the area carrying out my research on possible condo rentals for next year, which I shall write about on another topic. Had I known the masseurs were similar to Royal House, I would have definitely popped in. But I have made a mental note to try it out on a future visit.

I did not however return to Royal House and choose another masseur, who may not have been as good, as the previous masseur. I had convinced myself that I could not ignore my first masseur, who despite his er . . . em . . . hot dog, had actually performed very well. So, me being an inveterate fence sitter, I chose instead the easy option and ‘phoned a regular masseur from the Boyz Town area and invited him to my hotel. He may also pop up to Bangkok to see one one last time before I leave for home. He has come up to see me on past occasions; we are currently trying to sort out a plan.

And you were right to highlight the ‘detailed’ nature of my original report, newalaan2. This was mentioned at my final dinner in Pattaya on Saturday night. I should therefore like to apologise to you and the other members for getting rather carried away and being a little bit too explicit.

It has been my practice when going to massage parlours not to take my watch or mobile telephone, or more money than I will actually need, as mentioned at post #106. So I did not have my mobile telephone with me. I could have enquired if my masseur had a smart phone, which played music, but, in truth, I never thought to ask.

However, the subject of no background music in massage parlours has reminded me of an incident which occurred back in 2015, which I posted about when I was writing a series of massage parlour reviews. It was included on the Bangkok Massage Venues topic at post #8. I was referring to my visit to V Club 7 on Soi Phaholyothin 7, Soi Ari 4, Bangkok

This is an extract from my 2015 post:


V Club 7
Soi Phaholyothin 7, Soi Ari 4

. . . I then made the mistake of commenting on the lack of background music as it seemed eerily quiet. Then I heard him fumble for something and thought, oh-no he's going to play music from his mobile 'phone! I then tried, in vain, to persuade him that it was not a problem, no music was ok. But he persisted and played Thai music at a volume that would have been suitable in a nightclub, not the small confines of a massage room where the customer is supposed to be chilled out and relaxed. Of course I was expecting soft, relaxing music, the sort normally associated with massage joints. So I was anything but relaxed and it was my own fault . . .

The moral of the above story is to learn how to say in Thai, “The music is too heavy, play something lighter and more relaxing please.”

;)

[scottish-guy]

Can I suggest this music might be apposite - assuming you can get your massage boy of choice to play along:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOsUAPZGn8

[arsenal]

The above post seems to be missing something. Did you not notice that?

[scottish-guy]

Given you lifestyle choice and sexual proclivities (which you boast about at every opportunity), I fail to understand why you feel unable to talk freely about certain body parts.

Is it some kind of guilt or self-loathing?

Whilst not my main profession, I'm a qualified counsellor and hypnotherapist - maybe I could help you.

[a447]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOsUAPZGn8

"Look at the size of that hole...."

Lol

[scottish-guy]

"I'll have to stitch it up in the morning"

:p

[Jellybean]

. . . The moral of the above story is to learn how to say in Thai, “The music is too heavy, play something lighter and more relaxing please.”

After I ended post #131 with the final sentence, as posted above, I have been flooded, absolutely flooded with PMs asking me what is the Thai translation. I mentioned it to a Thai friend during the week and he provided me with one alternative version, which I have reproduced below:

pleeng siang-dang mâak chûai lên pleeng bao bao bèep pàwn-klaai nói kráp

Literally - Music loud very help play music quiet type relax little – but meaning roughly as in my quoted bold text above.

We met for lunch today and I impressed him by repeating it to him in Thai. But given the appalling state of my memory, I’ll probably have forgotten it by next week. When it comes to learning Thai, I seem to have a memory like a sieve.


Disclaimer
A humongous degree of artistic license was used in the drafting of the above post.

[dinagam]

Hi Jellybean, an idea just came to mind.
You could ask your friends to whisper the above phrase into your mobile phone voice recorder. The next time you visit a massage parlour play the recording to the masseur. Choose from the most sultry voice which could turn on the mood for the masseur. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

[Jellybean]

Hi Jellybean, an idea just came to mind.
You could ask your friends to whisper the above phrase into your mobile phone voice recorder. The next time you visit a massage parlour play the recording to the masseur. Choose from the most sultry voice which could turn on the mood for the masseur. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Well, thank you kindly for your idea, dinagam. And how very true, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Yours is certainly a much better idea than taking a CD player into the massage parlour with my own choice of music, as suggested by one wag by PM.

I could, of course, simply practise the Thai sentence and various other options before entering the massage room.

For example, also back in 2015, I commented on one massage room with no music, but it had a very loud ticking clock, which I found very distracting. With the constant, tick, tock, tick, tock sounds, I felt like I was being subjected to a form of psychological sound torture. Well, okay, that was a bit of an exaggeration, but if members won’t allow me to say it was 'torture', how about I say it was disturbing and was interfering with my ability to relax? I hope that is more acceptable.

So now perhaps I should also practise saying: Please remove the battery from the clock.

chûai tâwt bèt-dtee-rîi àwk-jàak naa-lí-gaa nói kráp

Goodness. The list is endless. On second thoughts, next time I think I had better just grin and bear it and suffer in silence. Stiff upper lip and all that, eh?

;)

[VancBCMan]

First time posting on this site.
Thanks to all who've shared their experiences.
After reading this thread, I visited Royal House today (Jan 21).

The directions to get there in this thread were perfect.

Here is my experience....
I got there around 2pm, hoping to get a massage.
There were only 3 guys there at the time. The host said there maybe more guys later, but not sure.

I was shown the price list. 400 for massage and 1300 tip for "special service".
I only wanted massage, no special service for tip of 500.

I selected the great looking guy who was there at the time.
His response to the host was that the tip would be 1000, not any less.
I said I would come back later.

Unfortunately, I had not read the last couple of pages on this post, otherwise would have gone to Helios down the Soi.

[christianpfc]

Outrageous prices and business practice, good for you to walk away!

[latintopxxx]

christian?! why is it outrageous. He quoted what his services would cost upfront. Wasnt out to cheat or entrap the customer.

[Impulse]

You guys that are into hairy asses are ruining it for the rest of us. They think that’s what we like. Puke.

I’ve yet to meet one this trip that shaves down there, and I’m into twinks.

Makes me appreciate my boy friend who has a remarkable ass and keeps it shaved without me telling him.

[Jellybean]

. . . To compensate for the damage he had done to his under-carriage, he, thankfully, made up for it on his rear, which was gloriously hairy . . .
[Partial quote from post #118]



You guys that are into hairy asses are ruining it for the rest of us . . .

Guilty as charged on the first count M’lud (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/M%27lud).

Well, I definitely have a predilection for hairy lads rocket but, more often than not, I have trouble finding my preferred type, so do tell where you are meeting all these magnificently hairy lads.

Although hairy is my ideal type, that’s not to say I would turn down a clean shaven lad, but given the choice, I would choose the hairy one, all other things being equal. I do not ask in advance if they are hairy or clean shaven, my Thai is simply not good enough. But hairy legs or facial hair can, sometimes, be a good enough indication of what joys are hidden below.

But I plead not guilty on the second count of ruining it for others.

Whenever this subject comes up, I find I am always in the minority, at least on this forum. In bygone years, when I’ve met up with an ‘old flame’, all too frequently I have been disappointed to find that their well remembered wild and luscious man garden has been mowed within a millimetre of its life. :(

When I asked why they had shaved, the usual answer is, “Customer no like” to which I probably replied, in a whining, desperate tone, “But this customer l-i-i-i-i-i-i-ke”. ;)

But each to his own, as they say.

[Impulse]

Yes, to each their own Jelly Bean. Nee, the skinny little guy at Eros is very hairy. But maybe you like the entire area hairy and not just the most private of private areas. If that’s the case then many of the boys I meet are not that hairy.

The first thing I look at is their legs, and facial hair like you say, another sign.

I made the mistake of giving a message boy my face book , now he keeps messaging me complaining he has no customers. Not only was he hairy but he used a condom for oral.

I’ve been sick as a dog the last few days but managed to get out and find Royal House. I would never had known it existed if not for this thread. It was just getting dark and there was only one thug like guy out front. I’ll definitely go there when feeling better.

[Jellybean]

Sorry to read you’ve been sick as a dog, rocket. I wish you a speedy recovery.

I would however be interested to read about your experience at Royal House massage if and when you are well enough to pay it a visit. If the masseurs are not to your taste, don’t forget about Helios Massage, a nearby massage parlour, recommended by newalaan2 in his post #129 dated March 24, 2018 the relevant part of which I quote below.

I never got around to visiting Helios, so I would be interested in reading your account if you happen to have the time to make full use of its . . . er . . . em . . . facilities. :)


. . . Anyway just to advise that the same type of man-boys at Royal House are also available round at Helios Massage (formerly Blue House) just down the soi from Tuk Com. The attraction might be for some (given Jellybean's experience at Royal House) is that they have good in-room shower cubicles with shampoo/soap etc and hot/cold water as their standard room so no valuables security concerns. They do have some kind of piped music as I remember but if you have music on your phone or MP3 they are quite happy for you to put it on speaker, and as noted by Jellybean it does add to the relaxing atmosphere during the main massage for me.
[Partial quote from post #129]

The full post can be seen at: https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?19575-Royal-House-massage-pattaya/page13

[Impulse]

Thank you Jellybean for the get well. I felt a bit better today and would have gone inside Royal House but no one was outside but the guy in charge.

So I decided on a sure thing and went to the massage place where they wear orange on the side of Tukom. There was my cute Ooga booga boy with the Bowl hair cut. He looks like he could be the last boy in the Amazon Forest who has not seen civilization yet.

I like to fantasize that he and I are the only ones in the jungle and we take care of each other. Like Jungle Story but of course he’s older than the one in the movie. But this time I wanted the massage to last a bit and not get into the real fun right away.

I had just seen him a week ago and after almost completing the leg part he saw how excited I was and asked me what I wanted. I asked him how much he wanted and he said 2,000. Being the shrewdest negotiator I offered 1,500 and away we went. It was wonderful, but that was last week. This time he completed the massage and that was it! The time was almost up
And I just had a regular massage, very erotic but still kind of ordinary. I’m surprised he wasn’t interested in receiving a large tip, which I was prepared to give him. All he expected was the 200 or 300 tip. I gave 500 because of the eroticness of it.

Maybe it was because there was someone else getting a massage in the room that he was reluctant to do more but I’m used to more eagerness to obtain some cash. I was surprised. Maybe the tube of ky scared him off, I don’t know. Next time I’ll have to tell him what we’re going to do beforehand, like half a massage and then fun.

Of course these places have signs saying no sex, so maybe this guy isn’t used to it and really only gave ordinary massages, but I find that hard to believe.

[francois]

And I just had a regular massage, very erotic but still kind of ordinary. I’m surprised he wasn’t interested in receiving a large tip, which I was prepared to give him. All he expected was the 200 or 300 tip. I gave 500 because of the eroticness of it.


How did you know that 200 or 300 was all he expected? Good that you gave him 500.
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[Impulse]

Your right francois, I don’t know what he expected for certain, but judging by his reaction he seemed surprised and insisted I return. How much does one tip for a Thai massage ordinarily?

[francois]

Opinions vary, considerably. But my estimate is a minimum tip is equal to the fee paid to the house for the massage.

[aussie_]

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[dinagam]

Traditional Thai massage of one to two hours duration usually cost from 200-400B. All masseurs, both ladies and men have shown gratitude whenever I tip them 100B.

[frequent]

Your right francois, I don’t know what he expected for certain, but judging by his reaction he seemed surprised and insisted I return. How much does one tip for a Thai massage ordinarily?In a tourist area - anything you’re foolish enough to give as almost everyone over-tips. Outside that narrow range (and I’m quoting Thais with whom I might go to non-erotic massage) 100 baht if you’re the foreigner paying. Thais themselves will tip less than that. I had coffee yesterday with a middle-aged Thai who had just returned from Pattaya where he had had a massage. He complained that the boy kept touching him up and he had keep telling the boy off. I think he tipped him 50 baht

[sglad]

In a tourist area - anything you’re foolish enough to give as almost everyone over-tips. Outside that narrow range (and I’m quoting Thais with whom I might go to non-erotic massage) 100 baht if you’re the foreigner paying. Thais themselves will tip less than that. I had coffee yesterday with a middle-aged Thai who had just returned from Pattaya where he had had a massage. He complained that the boy kept touching him up and he had keep telling the boy off. I think he tipped him 50 baht

Rubbish. If you've been to Thailand, or as you claimed, lived in Thailand for thirty years, you'd know that Thai service workers are lot more careful and subtle with Thai customers and the Thai masseur wouldn't dare "feel up" a customer who wasn't interested. Even if he did, he certainly wouldn't need to be told off more than once. The way they would do it (either to indicate a willingness to provide special services or a desire to receive them) is through banter. It's part of the fun and can be very erotic.

As for how much Thais tip, it varies, just as it does with farang customers although I would say most Thais I've hung out with have been quite generous. Bear in mind that there's also a fair amount of showing off in their tipping culture. Needless to say that service workers are always playing their customers off each other in terms who's the more generous in the hopes of extracting a bigger tip from their current customer.

[christianpfc]

christian?! why is it outrageous. He quoted what his services would cost upfront. Wasnt out to cheat or entrap the customer.
No cheating or entrapment, just too expensive for my taste.

... Royal House...I was shown the price list. 400 for massage and 1300 tip for "special service".
When I can get a boy to come to my room for 1000, why would I go to a massage place and pay 400 + 1300?

"Nobody out in front of the business" is spreading. Yesterday night, Royal House (used to have staff sitting outside), Helios (never had staff outside as long as I remember), and even Kawaii boys had nobody outside.

[arsenal]

Why should they sit outside waiting for you to show up? It's 36 degrees. Choice of 9 boys at 4.15 this afternoon.

And my lovely masseur and I couldnt help enjoying the hysterical Thai laughter coming from the adjoining room so I think Brad the Impala was there. If only, eh! Brad?

[gerefan2]

Rubbish. If you've been to Thailand, or as you claimed, lived in Thailand for thirty years,

Well that is a very interesting comment Sglad. In fact it made me draw up a list of some of Frequents more prolific posting times in the last few weeks.

THAI TIME.................. NEW YORK TIME
Jan 30 0354 - 0400...... 1554 - 1600
1 Feb. 0410 - 0445...... 1610 - 1645
3 Feb. 0406 - 0907...... 1606 - 2107
4 Feb. 0249 - 0332....... 1429 - 1532
5 Feb. 0320 - 0852....... 1520 - 2052
6 Feb. 0231 - 0345...... 1431 - 1545
8 Feb. 0424 - 0650....... 1624 - 1850

WELL WELL....can’t you sleep frequent?

[christianpfc]

Why should they sit outside waiting for you to show up? It's 36 degrees. Choice of 9 boys at 4.15 this afternoon.
Because I'm very reluctant to go into a shop to have look at the available boys, and having to make up an excuse if none of them is to my taste*. Most other places (the one at the back entrance of Tuk-Com, the one on the North side of Tuk-Com, the one a block South) have their boys sitting outside, regardless of temperature, and I make detours so I can walk past to see if there is new talent, without commitment from my side or expectation from the boys' side.

My preferences are: boys sitting outside >> boys sitting inside > choosing from pictures.

*Which is the most probable outcome. In that case I would say: I'm looking for A, but he is not in. I don't even have to lie, I can use name of the massage boy I had in Yangon in Dec 2017 and whose shop closed and whom I have been asking for in all massage places in Yangon and Mandalay that I passed.

[sglad]

Well that is a very interesting comment Sglad.

Plenty of other examples where he's been caught out. One classic is where he, who claims to be a 30-year-resident of Thailand and frequent visitor to Silom Soi 4, said that the boys working in that soi are looking for sex with Asians and those looking for sex with non-Asians work in Soi Twilight. What a load of crap.