Child via surrogate?

[cdnmatt]

Has anyone ever done this, or thought about doing it? Having a child via surrogate mother?

The family has had quite a bit of time to talk in the last couple days, and naturally our relationship came up. Leo quite obviously badly wants to be a father, and won't stop until he gets kids, so the issue of his nephews / cousins came up. The sisters don't agree, but too bad, because that's what's happening.

Nonetheless, the one sister I guess offered to be a surrogate for us, and she only requested 200,000 baht. I have to admit, that's actually quite reasonable to carry a baby for 9 months. Plus I don't even have to have sex with here, and instead just need to go to a hospital and cum in a petri dish. Too bad I can't see porn anymore, because that would probably come in handy.

I'm not doing it, or at least not now. There's no way I'm bringing a new child into this world right now, but maybe later. Especially since there's two kids that are alive now, and could use our help yesterday. If we can do good by them, then maybe we can discuss the possibility of making our own child via surrogate.

Anyway, have any of you ever done that, or thought about it?

[neddy3]

His mother is dying, and you're coming up with this gross crap?

[cdnmatt]

His mother is dying, and you're coming up with this gross crap?


I've been told not to worry about anything. I'm just following orders.

I don't know what's going on, and I'm sure he's hiding things from me, so as not to worry, because he's like that. She's in ICU anyway, so they don't have much access to her. I think it's 1 hour visitations twice a day is all they get.

[joe552]

I'm not sure how I feel about surrogacy. Seems to me there are already enough children on the planet. We should be taking care of them before creating new ones.

Having said that, I donated sperm to a lesbian friend, about 25 years ago. She had a daughter, who is a beautiful young woman (I couldn't resist searching for her on the net recently).

I never had any desire to be a father, but I think I'd prefer to adopt. I'm not sure about the long term effects surrogacy has on the mother.

So, not sure.

[bobsaigon2]

Matt, you are intent on adopting two young children in the family and in addition you are considering having a child by a surrogate mother?

Unless the prospect of cumming in a petri dish is overwhelmingly attractive to you, would it not be more convenient to just wait till one of the space ships arrives from your home planet with a fresh shipment of humanoids for you to choose from? No need for Leo to change diapers, no bottles to prepare, no getting up two or three times a night, etc.

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, but Leo is quite decided on having a white kid for some reason. He wants a "luuk krueng" (literally translated, "half child").

Personally, I see it the other way around. Why make a new child, when there's already children who need our love and support here and now? We could give two existing kids a shot at a good future, whereas if they stay in the village, the have virtually no hope at all. Why not concentrate on that, versus bringing a new child into this world?

Apparently, the family doesn't agree, and thinks we should just make our own child. Bud no, I'm not doing that, and that option isn't on the table at the moment.

[joe552]

Matt, I'm confused. If that option isn't on the table, why did you start the thread?

[cdnmatt]

Matt, I'm confused. If that option isn't on the table, why did you start the thread?


Because Leo hasn't shut up about it for a good 6 months. He wants a farang child, and I'm just not willing to do it right now. Maybe in a year or so, but not now. Let's take those two kids in the village first, and if we can prove ourselves as good parents, maybe we can discuss the option of a surrogate then.

The family is sitting in the hospital waiting room, and sleeping there, so this came up. His older sister offered to be a surrogate for us. That's why the thread now.

[joe552]

Not directed at you Matt, but part of me feels like surrogacy is like buying a baby. And I'm not comfortable with that.

[cdnmatt]

Not directed at you Matt, but part of me feels like surrogacy is like buying a baby. And I'm not comfortable with that.


Personally, I'm fine with the surrogate route, and I can understand his feelings. Obviously, we can't make a child together, so my sperm mixed with his sister's eggs is the best we're going to get, and I'm fine with that.

What I'm not fine with is we don't currently have a strong enough life to bring a new child into this world. Hopefully that will change in the near future, and looks like it will, but right now, entertaining the idea of bringing a new child into this world isn't on the table for me.

On the other hand, those two kids who are currently sitting in the village are already alive and kicking. Let's go help them first, and worry about the surrogate route later.

[joe552]

I would agree with your priorities.

[cdnmatt]

Just got off the phone with him again, and sure enough, this was a mian point of discussion.

I'm beginning to think the sister just wants some money. A little over 20,000 baht/month to carry a baby? That's not too bad of pay.

No wonder they're opposed to us taking those kids from the village. But not, we're not doing the surrogate route right now, and Leo agrees with me. Let's take those kids from the village first, because they're already here and don't have much hope if they stay there. If we can do good by them, then we'll talk about it. For now, no.

[joe552]

I have a question about surrogacy, inspired by, but not directly related to, Matt's post (how's that for a disclaimer?)

If two gay men want a child via a surrogate, is it possible to mix their sperm, so that they both have a genetic connection to the baby? Currently, only one partner's sperm is used.

[cdnmatt]

No Joe, how would the different sperm decide on which chromosones to use?

[joe552]

Sorry Matt, I don't understand your question. Can you explain a little? I know very little about this, had no sex education at school (thanks Christian Brothers) so only have a vague idea of how it works.

[cdnmatt]

Babies come in the form of chromozones, which come from both, the sperm and the egg. When the sperm penetrates the egg, the chromosones of both mix, and that forms the genetic makeup of the baby. Only one sperm gets into the egg though, and that's it. The fastest little swimmer wins, type of thing.

You can't mix the chromosones of two different sperm together. That's just not how it works.

And don't worry, I don't even have grade 10, let alone a high school diploma.

[joe552]

Thanks,, that's a bit clearer.

[frequent]

Seems to me there are already enough children on the planet. We should be taking care of them before creating new ones.This is extremely selfish of you, Joe. You'll be dead but but there'll be other older men looking for someone young to fuck, and there has to be enough to go around

[Smiles]

Good thing the mods have finally used their Power of Movability to place this thread into lala land rather than let it live in a proper forum.
Cndmatt had now become - in my books - a certifiable message board troll. Taking him seriously is now left in the hands of the the naive few to continue salivating over his every keyboard stroke.
Happy salivatin'.

[frequent]

Cndmatt had now become - in my books - a certifiable message board troll. Taking him seriously is now left in the hands of the the naive few to continue salivating over his every keyboard stroke.I've come to think of him as the Billy Graham of the Bitcoin

[cdnmatt]

I'm not a troll Smiles. I'm just a blind guy who drinks too much, and works from home. Oh, and I'm half your age, so my life tends to change quite a bit quicker than yours.

I'm just worried, and don't know what to do, hence my posting history over the past few days. I'm just stuck sitting here with the dogs, waiting for information. I've been told to stay put, and not to worry, so I'm doing my best.

[cdnmatt]

Ok, he's back already, so I can stop being crazy now.

Question for anyone with experience. Obtaining spinal fluid isn't very dangerous, is it? That's the next test the doctors have wanted to do, but the family refused to let them, because the doctors said it's very dangerous with chance of death. I'm hesitant to give my opinion, because I'm probably wrong, but I though obtaining spinal fluid was a fairly routine procedure.

[Nirish guy]

maybe ask a doctor about that instead of random gay guys on a message board?

[cdnmatt]

They've been living in the hospital for the last few days, so obviously a doctor has been consulted. This isn't exactly a high-end medical center in Houston, Texas though.

Hopefully we can just get her moved to KK Ram. I've offered to foot the bill, so not sure what the hold up there is either.

Doctors can't figure out what's wrong, so said next test they want to do is obtain spinal fluid. They said it's dangerous though with a 1% chance of death, hence the family has refused to allow it. However, the doctors also gave her a 20% chance of survival if nothing is done, so I don't get it. Give her the test then. What's the hold up? I must be missing something though, hence why I'm hesistant to vocalize my opinion.

[Nirish guy]

I've offered to foot the bill, so not sure what the hold up there .........What's the hold up? I must be missing something though, hence why I'm hesistant to vocalize my opinion.

You may hope they take Bitcoin.

And re the whole you maybe feeling you shouldn't say much more about it, yeah that's probably the best course of action for sure, say nothing more about it and just let the doctors get on with it maybe, best course of action all round perhaps.

[joe552]

Matt, NIrish is right. This isn't the place to ask for medical advice, just let the doctors and family sort it out.

[cdnmatt]

That's what I'm doing. Just sitting here, keeping my mouth shut.

Still doesn't add up for me though, but not my mom, and not my family, so I'll just stay out of it. All I can do is provide love and support, and respect whatever decisions the family makes. Leo knows I'm here, he knows my entire savings is at his disposal, and so on. My savings might not be much, but it's enough to put her up in KK Ram with good doctors for a good while.

I remember I spent 2.5 days at KK Ram, and they took excellent care of me, but I left 63,000 baht lighter.

[Nirish guy]

Thank god that that big rise in bitcoin eh, perfect timing.

[cdnmatt]

Ohhh, and I found out why the family is opposed to us taking those kids. You know how in Asian families it's extremely important that the kids take care of their elderly parents, much more so than in the West. That's what the sisters were thinking.... that we want the kids, so we have someone to take care of us when we get old.

No, no.... nothing could be further from the truth.

[joe552]

Sounds like you'll be adopting an entire family, not just 2 children. Beware.

[cdnmatt]

Sounds like you'll be adopting an entire family, not just 2 children. Beware.

Oh no, that's been discussed extensively. He knows where I stand, and agrees woth me. I'll take care of him, those two kids, and his elderly father if needed / wanted. I doubt the father will come to fruition though. Maybe he'll come for a visit, and within three days will probably think, "city life sucks, I'm going back home to my village".

It'll be fine. Just right now is a little out of the ordinary, because of his mother, so he knows I'm here in any and all capacity I can provide. Might not be much, but I'll do what I can. This doesn't normally happen though, and he knows my feelings about everything. It'll be fine.

[joe552]

Matt, I'm confused again. You say the family now don't want you to adopt the 2 children, but Leo's sister is offering to act as a surrogate so you can have your own? Doesn't make sense to me? Or am I missing something (not for the first time)?

[cdnmatt]

Matt, I'm confused again. You say the family now don't want you to adopt the 2 children, but Leo's sister is offering to act as a surrogate so you can have your own? Doesn't make sense to me? Or am I missing something (not for the first time)?

Yeah, it's just due a misunderstanding, and the cultural divide. It's fine.

You know how out here kids are expected to take care of their parents, much more so than in the West? It's a crucial part of culture here, and one of the reasons they keep having so many kids. The sisters think that's why we want those kids... so we have someone to take care of us when we're old. They think if we want kids to take care of us when we get old, we should make our own kids, instead of taking someone else's kids.

No, no.... that's just not right. I don't need, want, or expect those kids to take care of us when they become adults. I want them to go take care of their biological mother. I just want to temporarily give them a stronger life, so they have a shot at a good future, and can take care of their mother even better when the time comes.

Again, just a misunderstanding.

[joe552]

Matt, I am SO looking forward to meeting you in KK on the 15th. It'll be a fascinating evening. I mean that seriously. We think so differently on a range of things, and that's what makes life interesting.

Btw, I'm going to fly to KK from Don Muang (?sp). Not much more expensive than the bus, and only an hour. I'll keep you posted. We'll (or I'll) take a taxi to the hotel. We can arrange a time for you and Leo to come to the hotel for a beer before dinner.

[Smiles]

This dude?!
Will he EVER see Vientiane?
Is Joe being taken for a ride?
Does Joe want to be taken for a ride?
Will Matty show up?
And if so will he talk Joe into investing his fortune in Bitcoin?
(And Joe agreeing?)
Will Joe reconcile his confusion on surrogacy? Will he recommend a Diesel Fitter instead?
Will Leo reconcile his taste for "luuk krueng"?
Will Cndmatt get his eyes checked out while at the hospital about to be a father? If no, then why not?
Has Matty ever seen the movie "Amadeus" within which the Emperor Joseph criticised Mozart for having "too many notes"?

My head is lusciously spinning at this last thread on: mommy, daddy, a Leo (a beer? a boy?), numerous sisters, spinal taps, bitcoins, two Lao foundlings living in a tree, five golden sperms/one egg, and a surrogate mother who is a sister, Chiang Mai, Vientiane, a meet-up hotel, a plane-not-a-bus, not-going-to-MY-house, too much booze, an ICU ward ... and on and on and on.

Actually, I'm clearly starting to get into this. I rescind my leave-taking.

[joe552]

Smiles, I like you so I'm going to put you out of your misery. Matt and I have been commissioned by a TV production company to produce a soap opera, which will not only appeal to Thais (the sick mother and the dutiful son), but to those in the West (living blind in Thailand, bitcoins, etc). This thread is purely for research purposes and has no basis in fact. I thought the fact that I'm flying up to KK, rather than take a bus with the hoi polloi, would have given it away. But it appears even members of SGT are susceptible to an ongoing family drama.

Hope that explains the background, without giving away too many plot lines.

[Smiles]

Fantastic! Keep up the good work.
But please, in the meantime try backing off your fetish of deep throating the Diesel Fitter.

[latintopxxx]

better than geordie shore...

[Nirish guy]

and just about as authentic

[joe552]

We're keeping you all guessing, and that's the whole point. And you've put your trust in me to go meet Matt in KK, and if I make a positive report (i.e. he actually is a person) the Board will change a lot. Such power in the hands of so few.

[frequent]

... and if I make a positive report (i.e. he actually is a person) the Board will change a lot.In your dreams

[cdnmatt]

We're keeping you all guessing, and that's the whole point. And you've put your trust in me to go meet Matt in KK, and if I make a positive report (i.e. he actually is a person) the Board will change a lot. Such power in the hands of so few.



Board's not going to chance Joe.

Hopefully though we can make a447 look like a complete idiot, to the point he begins keeping his mouth shut, instead of wandering around the forum trying to bull people for no reason. I'd settle for that.

[Nirish guy]

Or the flip side, we discover that there IS actually someone living in KK who actually goes through all or even half the mad dog shit they post about I guess.

[cdnmatt]

Or the flip side, we discover that there IS actually someone living in KK who actually goes through all or even half the mad dog shit they post about I guess.


Oh no, everything I post is actually true. Just because you guys live boring lives that never change doesn't mean I do.

Looks like the mother will be getting transferred to KK Ram shortly, so I'll be meeting the sisters in the next day or two. That should be fun. They better not complain about the state of my house, because I don't like getting angry.

Yes, I know the floor is dirty. That's what happens when you leave the doors open all day, so the dogs can come in and out whenever they want. Complain to your little brother about that, as the floors are his job. And I don't care if they're clean or not, because I can't see them anyway. My job is the kitchen, and that one is always 100% clean, because I'm terrified of maggots.

Oh, and I guess that means I need to wear a shirt now, don't I?

[Nirish guy]

There's definitely saner locked up.

[cdnmatt]

And far more insane currently sitting in the Oval Office in the US Whitehouse.

Fucked up world, isn't it?

I think I need to stop watching Elon Musk documentaries. Now there's a crazy individual for you, but in a good way. Do you have any idea how much courage and forethought it took for him to go against the push, and get SpaceX off the ground? They did it though.

Or Gordon Ramsay is another. He sure is a crazy fuck, isn't he? He's a great guy though, and just look at the empire he built.

[cdnmatt]

And I'm the crazy one, eh? I wonder, how do you think the current sitting US President will exit? I can't possibly see how he'll fulfill his full 4 year term, so I'm sure he's out one way or another.

What will it be? The new round of sexual molestation charges? Mueller indicting him for collusion with Russia or financial crimes? Congress deciding he's suffering from dementia and removing him as the constitution permits?

Or is he just going to end human civilization by starting a nuclear war with little rocket man, as he likes to call him?

Right, and I'm in the insane one...
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[Nirish guy]

Right, and I'm in the insane one...

Well thank GOD you've admitted it at last, they do say the first step on the road to recovery is acceptance. Best of luck with that though.

[joe552]

NIrish, that's why a personal visit is essential. To continue the road to recovery. I have experience in the field (but the sheep declined to testify).

[Smiles]

Sorry Matty, there's no question in my mind that you are indeed the crazy one.
Frankly I don't care what Joe finds (assuming that he'll actually meet you ... which I doubt). On this board of boring old men you are certainly not what I'd call 'eccentric'. You might enjoy thinking you are, but you aren't. Eccentrics are usually at least interesting at some level, but you are just tedious, and getting more so by the post. You 'philosophies' are inch deep, your musings sophomoric, and your psycho-babble uninteresting and pure old hat.

So why do I read you? Well ... I watch your hero Gordon Ramsey sometimes. He's a classic jerk standing, who thinks saying 'fuck' on tv is clever ... and honest. But it's actually neither, he's just a simple jerk.

[Nirish guy]

NIrish, that's why a personal visit is essential. To continue the road to recovery. I have experience in the field (but the sheep declined to testify).

Joe I have NO doubt that you've experience of the latter but considering you're bringing a homeless unemployed straight guy and his homeless unemployed wife with you on your short holiday then somehow I'm thinking when it comes to reducing the level of crazy that maybe you're not the number one choice to be gauging the levels of crazy either perhaps :-) No offence and all :) Ha what am I thinking, hell you and Matt will make perfect buddies Im sure ! :) But hey, Vive la difference and all that.

[joe552]

NIrish, I'm not bringing his wife. I know I'm stupid, but there's a limit to even that. Oh Jesus, do you think he expects to bring his wife along? Ah no. I asked the big question , was sex available, and it is, so I doubt the wife will be there. We'll clear that up on the night of my birthday (did I mention it's my birthday on 9th January and I'll be around Sunee if you want me to avail of your kindness?).

I'm not naive enough to think he cares a lot about me, but he sees an opportunity to make a few thousand Baht for something he did for years. Same as our last trip together up to Si Saket. But I enjoy his company. I fell in love with him on my first trip to Pattaya. Did he fall in love with me? Of course not. But he enjoyed spending time with me and we had some good times.

Just as a comparison. The first guy I fell in love with was here in Dublin. We lived together for a year, and it was great. Then he met someone else and I was devastated. A year after we broke up I visited him unannounced (a bit stalkerish, I admit). His new partner arrived in, and I fancied him more. The beginning of the healing for me.

So, do I think K ever loved me? No. Did he like me? Definitely. Did we have fun together? Absolutely.

[Nirish guy]

Ahhh no wife, well thank god for that, i thought I’d read you In one of your posts that you / he were for bringing her too - Albeit in s seoerate room but whilst you still banged him ??!! ( not that impossible in Thailand of course). Well good, So just meeting up with an old flame, that makes sense at least and less chance of getting a knife through your shoulder blades perhaps then ( if you didn’t pay enough).

[Nirish guy]

Just thinking joe - and keeping on this ridiculous topic - perhaps you COULD ask him to bring his wife and SHE could step in as yet another surrogate for Matt just in case the sister falls through. Always a good idea to have a spare on hand just in case and if your guys wife is unemployed she might be delighted at finding 9 months gainful employment - and then milking for a lifetime thereafter as is of course the likely outcome to any such deal.

[joe552]

Just to put your mind at ease, NIrish. The original plan was for us to meet his parents in Bangkok. I was paying for the hotel, he had to take care of his family. I didn't hear from him for weeks, and then this thing with Matt came up. I have good memories of his parents, and wouldn't mind meeting them again, but it soon became clear I'd be picking up the tab for 5 people. Hah, as if!. Which is when the trip up to Matt seemed like a good idea. He knows the score. I'm happy to pay for him to go with me to KK, because as I said, I really enjoy his company. And he'll provide the sex. Simples.

[Nirish guy]

Sounds like a plan - one expensive sex session I’m guessing but sure what else is money for.....

[joe552]

NIrish, I somehow missed your post about inviting his wife to be a surrogate. I actually laughed out loud. So Matt would end up paying for my holiday (me being the broker, I get a percentage). Thanks for the tip.

[Nirish guy]

No problem, you're welcome and dont worry, just look at the rise in Bitcoin, don't worry Matt I'm sure can well afford it now. Oh no, wait, what am I thinking as sure he's got a Lao family to support now what with the sick mother, elderly father, two children, a surrogate mother and not forgetting Leo from Lao himself of course - who he made it clear to from the outset that he DEFINITELY wouldn't be supporting any of his family. Yep, that seems to all be working out just fine then. Oh and Matt you never did say whether you'd paid for Leo's present of gold "from you" or not in the end I noticed ? Sure what the hell, its only money right and you're rich again now so why not.

[joe552]

I think Matt was right NOT to pay for Leo's gift of gold to his mother and that's my genuine belief, if Leo has his own money. Otherwise, it would be Matt's gift to the mother.

And apparently, according to the Financial Times, transferring bitcoin to gold right now is not a good idea. So I'm hanging on to mine (and I'm keeping by bitcoin as well).

[bobsaigon2]

Does Laos have the medical resources necessary to carry out surrogacy procedures? Maybe not. So, one would have to attempt it in Thailand, but the article does not say if it would be possible for two foreigners to do the procedure in Thailand.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31546717

[joe552]

Ah come on now, bob. Not even I believe the surrogate story.

[bobsaigon2]

Ah come on now, bob. Not even I believe the surrogate story.

No? You mean there is some reason to disbelieve any of Matt's posts?

[Nirish guy]

I think Matt was right NOT to pay for Leo's gift of gold to his mother and that's my genuine belief, if Leo has his own money. Otherwise, it would be Matt's gift to the mother.

You missed the key point there Joe as Matt already said in his initial post that Leo's gift to his mother was bought out of his own money but then given to the mother as allegedly sent to her BY Matt and all so that the mother would think her son would be fine as he had obviously now hooked / found a generous ( for generous read rich stupid) farang and so she wasn't to worry about anything.

So, as Matt found this a very touching gesture my ( unanswered) question was "so, I assume you DID give Leo the money then for that gold as it WAS meant to be a present from you of course" as hell if it was such a nice gesture then surely Bitcoin rich Matt wouldn't have let literally poor Leo have to fund that "his gift" out of his own pocket ?? Or then if Matt DID decide to step in an fund that lovely gift that he didn't ask for then surely if ti was needed to give support to the mother he was falling down somewhat in his communication with Leo re important cultural things that he should perhaps be more aware of in times of family crisis OR that he should be aware that he he just then bought gold for people other than Leo that he's said very clearly that he wouldn't be forking out money to support. So, just wondering which of these it was.

Meanwhile I'm glad to see that Leo's mother seems to be hanging in there and they haven't cremated her this week so far as previously predicted. Long may it continue. At least she's got some gold there from Matt now ( or not from him ?) in case she needs it I guess.

[cdnmatt]

Well, I guess I somewhat paid. He had about 100k in this bank account, and 70k came from his older brother, so about 30k came from me. In that way, I guess I paid.

And no, I don't feel bad about him spending his own money at all. Why would I? Besides, who do you think will be picking up 50%+ of this upcoming hospital bill? The older brother put in 50k so far (apparently, being a monk pays good), and the sisters put in the little they could, and I'm pretty sure the rest is up to me and Leo. That's fine with me though.

And the doctors I guess figured out what's wrong with her, although I can't understand. Leo just says "paleo" or something. What the hell is that? Polio? That can't be right.

[cdnmatt]

Ah come on now, bob. Not even I believe the surrogate story.


Well, then ask Leo when you get here. It's his idea, and he's the one who won't shut up about it.

He knows it's not happening any time soon, but yeah, that possibility is on the table for the future. For now, there's two kids already alive in that village who need our help, so we'll help them first, prove ourselves as good fathers, and then discuss this route. I guess the kids know about the potential Vientiane move, and are quite excited about the possibility.

Not sure how good of a father I'll be, but without hesitation, he'll make an amazing father. Besides, my main role is going to be to ensure the bank account doesn't run out of money. Well, and hopefully teach them some cool stuff, get them interested in science and technology, etc. I hope they like to learn, but up to them, not me.

[joe552]

NIrish, I had forgotten that, you're right. Matt I think polio has largely been eliminated in the first world. I've no idea about the situation in a country like Laos.

[Nirish guy]

prove ourselves as good fathers......... Not sure how good of a father I'll be......

Let me help you there - a terrible one as you won't of course be their FATHER any more than Leo isn't your husband. My god for an educated guy you seem to get simple words mixed up a lot.

And yes, why wouldn't Leo want a farang baby, what better way to hook into a farangs wallet for the next 30 years.

Just as well old Leo didn't bother taking your advice re the whole Vanguard funds thing eh or he'd of been struggling to find the instant money needed for that gold from you ( except not from you) when he urgently needed it eh.

[joe552]

It begs the question (for me, at least) if Leo wants so much to be a father, shouldn't he be the sperm donor. I don't mean to his own sister, that would be too weird. But another woman prepared to act as a surrogate. ????

[Nirish guy]

?? But then how would that lock the farang into the deal for years to come ? Come on Joe, you're not thinking like an Asian here ......get with the programme. But alas I'm guessing if poor Leo is still at the stage of having to bluff shame Matt into paying for gold for his sick mother then he's still a whiles to go before getting him to fork out bigger money for the years to come. Or maybe Matt ( as he trusts him empathically) could just cut out all the stuff in between and just GIVE him his savings now and then Leo could look after all that end of things whilst Matt just kicks backs and relaxes more - as as you've already said you trust him empathically etc Matt you DID give Leo the pin numbers to ALL of your bank / bitcoin accounts etc Matt - didn't you ??

[cdnmatt]

NIrish, I had forgotten that, you're right. Matt I think polio has largely been eliminated in the first world. I've no idea about the situation in a country like Laos.


Yeah, it's been largely eliminated throughout the world. There's still a handful of cases that pop up each year, but for all intents and purposes, polio has been eradicated. You thank somewhat thank Bill Gates for that one.

So I don't know. I've just been told "paleo", and no idea what that is. That's a diet, not a disease.

[cdnmatt]

?? But then how would that lock the farang into the deal for years to come ? Come on Joe, you're not thinking like an Asian here ......get with the programme. But alas I'm guessing if poor Leo is still at the stage of having to bluff shame Matt into paying for gold for his sick mother then he's still a whiles to go before getting him to fork out bigger money for the years to come. Or maybe Matt ( as he trusts him empathically) could just cut out all the stuff in between and just GIVE him his savings now and then Leo could look after all that end of things whilst Matt just kicks backs and relaxes more - as as you've already said you trust him empathically etc Matt you DID give Leo the pin numbers to ALL of your bank / bitcoin accounts etc Matt - didn't you ??



Yes, I trust him with my life, because I'd be dead right now if it wasn't for him. Who do you think has been taking care of me since the day I went blind?? How difficult do you think that was on both of us? Going blind isn't easy, and he stuck by my side throughout it all, even when we were dirt poor and going through the change jar with hopes of being able to afford something for dinner that night. He's as genuine as they get.

And yes, I'm planning to grow old with him, and quite obviously he's planning the same too. There's no malicious intent. Of course he's looking for a better life, but so am I. We're far stronger in life together than alone.

And no, he doesn't have access to my bitcoin right now. He does have a decryption password though, and my oldest brother has an encrypted PGP message that Leo will get in case something happens to me. All it takes is one small thing -- I'm walking down the street, there's construction and other background noise or something, so I can't hear oncoming vehicles, and that's all it takes.

[Nirish guy]

I trust him with my life,.......no, he doesn't have access to my bitcoin right now. He does have a decryption password though, and my oldest brother has an encrypted PGP message that Leo will get in case something happens to me.

So, just so I understand you clearly, so yes you trust him with your life, but no, definitely not with your money - ok, I see, so that's deep true unadulterated love then is it, hmmm ok.

So, just to play devils advocate then - so by your own admission - just one truck mowing you down is all it would take to do away with you as you just wouldn't see it coming - and THEN Leo then gets the password from your brother to all your Bitcoin then yeah ? .......hmmm, I think I'd be staying home a lot just in case perhaps as your apparent fool proof system of keeping your money out of young Leo's grasp until you're dead seems to have one very major flaw in it from where I'm standing.

I mean a Blind man, a busy road, a Bitcoin small fortune to be gained and a miserly 100,000 baht from the Bitcoin riches handed to an intentionally disinterested investigating policeman, I mean what could POSSIBLY go wrong eh. but hey I'm sure you haven't been THAT stupid to tell Leo "dont worry if anything happens to me, I've set up a system to ensure you're a rich man" - have you !?

But then again, I'm guessing being smart you probably just haven't told Leo just how much your Bitcoin is worth of late as probably best he / his family doesn't know - right ?? But then again, why WOULDN'T you tell him as sure you trust him with your life eh - oh but I forgot, but not with your money - ok, I get it now again.

[cdnmatt]

He has access to all the money he needs, and if he ever needs more, he knows he can just tell me, and it's his. There's no reason for him to have access to my bitcoin savings though. Money is my job. The house (and soon kids) are his job.

[Nirish guy]

Ahhh is THAT how unlimited trust works.......hmmm ok

[cdnmatt]

You have a BF, right? You guys have been together longer than Leo and myself, right? Do you trust him? Does he have full access to your life savings and business accounts?

[Nirish guy]

You have a BF, right? Yes.

You guys have been together longer than Leo and myself, right? 4 something years

Do you trust him? Depends what you're talking about, for now I'll just assume you're referring to money and on a daily basis yes.

Does he have full access to your life savings and business accounts? Main personal bank account etc - yes. Business No of COURSE not because I'm not STUPID. He does just by every day dealings have full access to all my daily personal accounts, pin numbers, credit cards etc that have a reasonable balance lying around in them but as my business accounts are in Limited Co's etc then that's not something he'd be able to access anyway even if he had the details ( which do lie around the house freely and if he REALLY wanted to would take him all of 5 minutes to find - not that I dont have safeguards in place of course to stop anything untoward going on there either).

However even if he could I wouldn't allow it of course as again I'M NOT STUPID - but I also don't then bang on about me trusting him with my life etc, whilst at the same time then holding back part of my life from him and being hypocritical about that. I live and take every day as it comes, nothing more than that and I tell him if I die from anything other than natural causes he's getting FUCK ALL - as I'm a realist !

In reality that may or may not be the actual case but I'm damned sure I'm not telling HIM that ! Now, go on and tell me HOW much more you must obviously "love" your boyfriend than I do mine.......as of course that's all relative and subject to how your brain is wired.

[cdnmatt]

I'm not questioning your love for your BF. You're the one questioning the love Leo and myself share though.

And it doesn't matter, because it's not my decision. I owe him my life.

No, he doesn't currently need access to my savings. He has all the money he needs, and knows my money is his, and he just needs to give the word. However, I don't need a time when we get into an argument, he gets pissed off, and irrationally goes out and buys a car or something just to spite me. Nothing like that has happened yet, but I'm sure it will sometime in the future.

[Nirish guy]

I dont question your love - i questioned your hypocrisy in TALKING about love and then restricting your trust there in because you "obviously" DONT actually trust the person as much as you claim too - so just say it like it is - yeah I trust him - a bit / a lot but of course not totally and so I protect myself - as THAT is the truth and then you can then spare us all the Mills and Boon "I trust him with my life stuff" when that witnessed from your own actions is just blatantly not true.

[cdnmatt]

No, I just know that sometime in the future we'll have a large argument, and sometimes in the heat of the moment, humans make really stupid and irrational decisions, myself included.

Again, money is my job. You're turning this into a bitchfest for no reason.

As long as I'm alive, he has all the money he needs, and is well taken care of. If I did, then he gets my savings. That's how most marriages work. Even my one brother has been with his wife for over 20 years, and they have two kids together, but even she doesn't have access to all his money, because she's an idiot. My brother gives her an allowance.

[Nirish guy]

You're turning this into a bitchfest for no reason....... she doesn't have access to all his money, because she's an idiot. My brother gives her an allowance.

No, I'm not, I'm pointing out your being hypocritical in saying one thing and then doing another thats all. And as for the wife who is an idiot as she doesn't have access to all his money.......so, what does that make Leo then who also doesn't have access to all your money I wonder ? Mind you as we've already covered all it would take is that one badly driven car and that's that small problem all sorted and out of the way then anyway.

[cdnmatt]

Well fuck, I don't know... call it the gay version of a pre-nuputual.

[bobsaigon2]

we were dirt poor and going through the change jar with hopes of being able to afford something for dinner that night.

But Matt I thought you've had bitcoins for several years (or you've just been extolling the virtues of bitcoin for several years?), so how were you dirt poor? Or did you buy the bitcoins very recently? I am just a bit confused about your rags to riches sequence of events.

[cdnmatt]

Well, because as I made the bitcoin, I spent the bitcoin, because as it happens, I've become accustomed to things like shelter, food, and electricity.

[bobsaigon2]

Well, because as I made the bitcoin, I spent the bitcoin, because as it happens, I've become accustomed to things like shelter, food, and electricity.

Understood. Thanks.