An impossible dream?

[joe552]

Hi guys - still following your adventures although I don;t expect to be back in LoS for a while. But while I sit here in Dublin, I have a question. And I'm serious, but expect a few bits of banter (ok, SG and Nirish).

So, on my first visit to Pattaya (mayve 15 years ago) I fell in love with a bar boy. I mean seriously ''Only the second ti. me in my life My best ever holiday was spent with him and his family up in Sisaket. I know we went to Preah Whihar for a day trip so that might provide a clue.
I' don't know the name of the village he lived in - I don't know if he lives there now - but I would love to see him once again

As a bucket list item, how would you go about it?

[latintopxxx]

Geez 15 years ago!?!?

[neddy3]

I don't want to sound negative and discouraging, but...

Have you considered the possibility that his life has moved on.
Maybe he is married with kids.
He may want to leave that time in his life well behind.

Or maybe he would be delighted.

But 15 years is a long time.

[bobsaigon2]

Sorry, haven't got a clue. But it's nice to see you again joe.

[cdnmatt]

Do you know his full name? If so, in Thai or English? If in English, first get someone to try and translate it into Thai for you. If wanted, even post the name here and I can do my best to give you multiple variations of what it might be in Thai characters.

From there, search for him on Facebook and see if you can find him.

[a447]

Welcome back, Joe!

I agree with neddy3. There is a possibility he may not want to be found.

But I hope for your sake you find him and he is happy to see you again.

[MiniMee]

Geez 15 years ago!?!? Maybe scottish-guy knew him.....

[arsenal]

I wonder if anyone who knew Minimee 15 years ago would want to find him?

[Nirish guy]

Maybe scottish-guy knew him.....

Now THAT was predictable ! Hell I was almost going to post it myself for you Minimee just to save you the bother :-)

[francois]

Joe, you may want to pose such as question on Gaybutton where one of the posters did rejoin an old bf after many years. He did have an address, I believe, and he did hire an investigator.

[FarangRuMak]

Welcome back, Joe!

I agree with neddy3. There is a possibility he may not want to be found.

But I hope for your sake you find him and he is happy to see you again.
To his family he was probably a "doorman" back then. So there may not be a problem recalling the past.
Twelve years ago there were hundreds of "doormen" working in Sunnee.

[joe552]

Thanks for the replies, gentlemen. This is one of those things that will probably never happen, but I wondered how easy







or hard) it might be. I sent him enough money via Western Union to remember the English version of his name and think I know vaguely where his village was. I will probably take one more trip to Thailand and would rather spend it looking for him in Sisaket probably with a 'friend' from Pattaya to translate).than just drinking wine in Sunee

As I said, it's a bucket list item and may never happen, but if it does it's 3 years away. Thanks for your thoughts, and I do enjoy reading the forum even if I don't participate.

[scottish-guy]

Nice to hear from you again Joe - well bittersweet really because I have you in the SGT " Kicked The Bucket Sweepstake" - so I won't be hoovering up the prize of a free fuck from Nature Boys in BBK (wide choice available) but to know you're still breathing is a consolation

:D

As to your search - its unlikely that he 'retired' immediately after your encounter with him so it may well be that some SGT members knew the boy and may have more recent info.

Can you share some more detail without breaking any confidences? Such as the name of the bar and the boy's working name?

[joe552]

I think the bar was called Sawatdee and was just around the corner from Welcome Plaza hotel. His name was Kwan and he was quite short, even by Thai standards. I know it's a long shot, but who knows...?

[Oliver]

I believe the bar to which you are referring was Star Boys. It was once popular but when it moved across 2nd Road to Pattayaland 1 (opposite Dream Boys) it quickly faded. Its site is now occupied (I guess) by X Boys. I went there on a number of occasions about fifteen years ago and thought it had a good crowd of dancers. All twinks.
Sawatdee was further down the soi, opposite City Boys.

[scottish-guy]

It WAS Star Boys and one of my long terms (Thoy) worked there too in between leaving Gentleman Club and ending up in Funny Boys.

If the name Joe gives translates as "Star" then I recall his boy. Very small and fairish hair if its the same boy - but a very long shot. Of course the hair colour could have been temporary.

[Manforallseasons]

Every Thai I know has a facebook acount but you would need his Thai full name to search..Someone mentioned the original Star boys...does anyone remember the bar just up the street on the same side?

[Moses]

Every Thai I know has a facebook acount but you would need his Thai full name to search..Someone mentioned the original Star boys...does anyone remember the bar just up the street on the same side?

moreover: many Thai has 2-3 accounts under different names and nicknames :)

[scottish-guy]

MFAS - There was one with a name like CHALEE BOYS? Was that it?

[Marsilius]

This thread has brought back various memories...

Charlie Boys, as I'm pretty sure it was called, was a pretty unusual concern in that it was, I always understood, owned by a consortium of maybe a dozen or more farang. They - a mixture of expats and regular visitors - had clubbed together to minimise the personal financial risk of buying a bar. Once in a while one of the "shareholders" might decide he'd had enough (even though I believe that a share in the ownership conferred cheap/free drinks and free offs!) and so the news that his share was up for sale was spread on the grapevine for any interested investors to take it on.

Star Boys (or, as I believe it was originally called for some strange reason, Star Star Boys) opened in about 1994 or 1995, I'd estimate (about the same time as A-Bomb - I attended both opening parties). The original owner was either English or Irish. The most memorable thing I recall about him is that once, over the course of a couple of days, he offed every single boy in the old Sky Bar, taking them off one by one for fun on the roof terrace (his personal definition of fun didn't always require an orgasm, it seems - see next sentence!) His name escapes me for the moment but I'm not sure that I'd have wanted to be a boy working for him as had something of a reputation for inflicting firm discipline on young miscreants, if you take my meaning!

Getting back lack to the original post, I too would like to see a particular Si Saket boy again one day but have never got around to it or screwed up the courage. He was a certain Pong, aged 22 when we met in 1994, and working at Moonlight bar which was then in 2nd Road near the Royal Garden. I still have his home village address: for about the next decade or so I'd cut out and paste single Thai words photocopied from the dictionary (numbers, Thai names of months, arrival times, name of hotel) make them up into a letter - it consequently looked like a crooks' ransom demand! - and post it to Si Saket: he was always waiting outside the hotel to meet me on my arrival so that system must have worked! We met for two or three of my holidays annually until the early 2000s.

He was completely trustworthy as demonstrated on multiple occasions - and his greatest pleasure was simply in sleeping most of the day (I guess life in the village was physically very tough). He was straight (he showed me pictures of an infant son who had died) but very amenable. That suited me fine. Over the years I bought him and his family a few gifts - including a TV and a fridge (that one went down particularly well!). On the last occasion we met, I asked him what parting gift he'd like and he replied that he'd like me to buy him a fighting cock so that he could make money from cockfighting matches back home. Apparently the ones sold in Pattaya are far better fed and in better shape than native Si Saket ones. The last sight I ever had of him was of him setting off on the back of a motor bike taxi, heading to the bus station, with a cardboard box under his arm, sticking out of which was the neck and head of the aforesaid cock!

For some reason, at that point I thought it might be a good idea not to be so tied down on the next holiday so I made no arrangement to see him next time. It wasn't intended to be a permanent break, but as time went on that's what it became. I have still kept in touch by birthday cards and Christmas cards to this day. I presume that they've been getting through as my earlier "let's meet up letters" did. He'd now be in his mid 40s and I sometimes think that it would be fun to take a trip to Si Saket, hire a taxi and look him up (the village can be found on Google maps and it's pretty tiny so I guess he'd be known). On second thoughts, though, I guess there's a very strong chance, as posters here have suggested, that he'd be embarrassed in front of his community to be reminded of his past, so I've left it at that.

Good luck to the original poster, though, whatever you decide to do!

[Oliver]

Chalee Boys and Charlie's Boys were two different establishments. Chalee was near the old Star Boys across 2nd road. It was very short-lived. Charlie's, on the other hand, was near Dreamboys in Pattayaland and specialised in the more macho guy- the opposite to Star. It was owned by an affable English gay who moved to Le Cafe Royal when his bar closed. Sadly, he died soon afterwards.

[Marsilius]

Apologies for confusing Chalee - which I can't recall - with Charlie.

I assume, then, that the "affable English gay" bought out either the old Charlie cooperative ownership or their successor.

[scottish-guy]

I had heard decades ago that the disciplinarian Irish boy bar owner was in fact a defrocked Catholic priest who had also been involved in a bank robbery!

As someone else said: Only in Pattaya!

[joe552]

Thanks for all the replies. It was indeed Star Boys. Lots to ponder!

[christianpfc]

moreover: many Thai has 2-3 [facebook] accounts under different names and nicknames :)
I assume, 15 years ago facebook was not widespread in Thailand.
Some boys I know change their facebook often (they accidentally log out and forgot their password, or facebook blocks them for having too many friends or being to active), and a few I know have no facebook. Many use fantasy names on facebook, and some don't have a picture of themself on facebook.

If you (Joe) remember where the village is, that would be the best start. Ask around for your friend, or better stay in the background and let a Thai ask around (a Farang asking for a Thai would be the talk of the village, and your friend from 15 years ago might find that embarrassing).

From Western Union I assume you have his full name in English? That would be a good start. Any pictures of the boy?

[Moses]

I assume, 15 years ago facebook was not widespread in Thailand.

It just didn't exist. Founded in 2004.

[phoenixabode]

Hello everybody,

I am sorry that this might seem off the subject but I'm new here and am trying to find my way around. The thing is I am about to visit Thailand by the end of this month and would appreciate any info that you might give. I am planning to visit Bangkok and Pattaya and am at a loss as to which places would be worth seeing.

[FarangRuMak]

Hard to know where to start.
If you're straight, which you're probably not, stay in the Asia Hotel in Bangkok cos it's nice, about 2000 baht per night and has its own Sky Train entrance.
If you're gay stay in the Malaysia Hotel on Soi Nam Duplee off Rama IV highway or in the Tarntawan or the Suriwong Hotel-both on Suriwong Rd.
If you like a bit of on the edge stay in the BB Inn on Rama IV and backing on to Soi Twilight -the gay center of the world.
What you want to see can be arranged by your hotel; temples, the canals, the Chao Praya River, Jim Thompson's house, the Royal Palace complex, scamming Gem Shops, Lumpini Park, the Markets especially the one at Mo Chit Sky Train station open on Saturdays & Sundays I think, and anything that other posters here can recommend especially Christianpfc who has a blog or website or whatever he calls it. He knows a lot of stuff.
As regards Pattaya-that's far too sleezy for me but luckily there are posters here far better qualified to advise you on that place.