Bar boy deaths

[colmx]

I spotted the death of yet another bar boy friend on Facebook this morning... (RIP A-O)

It seems to me at this stage that not a week goes past without there being an RIP picture posted on FB, of course I don't know all of the dead folks... but I know at least 5 that have died this year

My presumption is that it was always this high... but that we never got to see it as there was no real social media penetration up until this point and news never flowed from Issan back to us guys in Pattaya and BKK

Am I the only one that has noticed this recent increased death rate?

[latintopxxx]

...how morbid...dont think this is a topic most of us want to discuss...

[Nirish guy]

It's a valid point - a sad one but valid none the less and Colmx I think you're spot on that the numbers may unfortunately be remaining the same but it's just we're all interconnected more now than ever with the boys there and see things on their facebook pages that we never would ( or perhaps should) have seen before.

[DrewSpz]

Does anyone know what types of deaths these are?

[francois]

...how morbid...dont think this is a topic most of us want to discuss...

Why not discuss? Better than most of the nonsense being posted.

[lukylok]

Does anyone know what types of deaths these are?

No secret : untreated HIV and motosay accidents !

[arsenal]

Motorbike accidents will account for a considerable number. They drink heavily and then drive like it's a race so a high mortality rate is inevitable.

[latintopxxx]

without sounding cruel heartless and uncaring...I really do not want to make any effort to connect with a MB...I have NO desire to " connect" with him. Occasionally I will engage him for a 2nd time but very rarely within the same trip...all I want is fresh arse....I hop onto grindr...find a pretty thing to empty my balls...use him and move onto a new one...once ive shot my interest wanes super fast.
So back to the topic...I really have no interest in following them on FB/twitter/whatever...I'm not family or a friend...I was just a customer. Nothing more...if it wasnt for the firm flesh and bubble butt and wrinkle free complexion we would have never connected. Shallow...but good.

[neddy3]

without sounding cruel heartless and uncaring...I really do not want to make any effort to connect with a MB... Shallow...but good.

But latin you have always sounded cruel heartless and uncaring.
You have reminded up of this a million times.

There are people here who don't share your attitudes. Amazing but true.
So cut them a bit of slack.

[Oliver]

Agreed. I feel sorry for those who are incapable of relating to the guys they meet.
And since it is likely that a number of these deaths are HiV related, it is in the interests of those who use the services of these guys that they should be aware of the dangers.

[scottish-guy]

Can't imagine anybody turning up to Poxxxy's funeral - in several years of posting there's been nothing to suggest there's anything likeable about him at all.

On topic, I'm sorry to hear about A-O.

I don't know how to find people on Facebook as I don't use it myself, so I dunno if I knew him - a link might be helpful

[latintopxxx]

Not uncaring...just practical and realistic and not deluded
My funeral?? I'm dead...what do I care.
As for MB and disease...I assume that ALL are positive...so always use condoms...and get tested for everything every 4 months or so...funningly enough despite me having more fresh arse than most of u guys have breakfast I have only picked up a VD 3times....to date all easily treatable.

[scottish-guy]

How to break this to you?


There is nothing remotely fresh about anybody's poop chute

[Oliver]

"Not uncaring...." I await details as to how LT expresses his "not uncaringness." Kindness? payment above the usual fee? respect? willingness to take the mb's feelings into account?

[latintopxxx]

...easy...by not insulting the MB by pretending we have a connection....

[colmx]

On topic, I'm sorry to hear about A-O.

I don't know how to find people on Facebook as I don't use it myself, so I dunno if I knew him - a link might be helpful
Don't really want to post his pics as I am unsure how he died - just saw it posted that he had been sick and was now dead.. so not really fair to post. He worked in both Sunee and Pattayaland in recent years.

3 of the other guys that I know worked in Sunee gogos bars - again no spoken cause of death

[scottish-guy]

Fair enough Colmx

[francois]

without sounding cruel heartless and uncaring...I really do not want to make any effort to connect with a MB...I have NO desire to " connect" with him. .

Good, then why not just shut up for a change? No one really cares what you think or do; your posts are nothing but junk, a never ending stream of crap.

[sglad]

No one really cares what you think or do; your posts are nothing but junk, a never ending stream of crap.

No-one really cares yet he has accumulated nearly 3000 posts...

[MiniMee]

I'm sorry to hear about A-O........ I dunno if I knew him - a link might be helpful Given your rather infrequent visits to Thailand in the last decade or so (once?) the chances of you knowing him would be quite slim. Asking for a link to a friends FB is just ugly voyeurism. Bravo to Colmx for not providing it.

[gerefan2]

No-one really cares yet he has accumulated nearly 3000 posts...

It's not the number of posts you put in, it's what you put in the posts ....

[latintopxxx]

relax gerefan....dont get all worked up...afterall we all have to plough through your posts...and remember one mans trash is anothers..

[christianpfc]

Since I first came to Thailand in 2009, I know of only one boy whom I met who died. It might well be that several others who I knew, but have no connection on social media or otherwise, and who just disappeared, are now dead.

I tend to agree with latintopxxx and see these boys more as a service provider than friends, just like a hairdresser or plumber. I wouldn't friend my hairdresser or plumber on facebook. Those I friend on facebook, it's mainly to have a way to contact them.

But I lost two Farang friends (and while I have never met bangkokbois, he can count as third, and nobody knows what happened to shamelessmack).

[francois]

I tend to agree with latintopxxx and see these boys more as a service provider than friends, just like a hairdresser or plumber. I wouldn't friend my hairdresser or plumber on facebook. Those I friend on facebook, it's mainly to have a way to contact them



Christian, this is why you will not find a boyfriend although you have used the term "boyfriend" in your posts.

[scottish-guy]

Given your rather infrequent visits to Thailand in the last decade or so (once?) the chances of you knowing him would be quite slim. Asking for a link to a friends FB is just ugly voyeurism. Bravo to Colmx for not providing it.

I was never a 4x a year visitor to Thailand - the most I have managed is 2x in a year due to work commitments.

In the past 7 or 8 years I've had a long term BF in Vietnam (and also an apartment now) and because of that, plus a reduction in my work activity in more recent years, I now prefer to go there 2 or 3 times a year.

I will be there in the next few days and will stay for just over 2 weeks. We may go outside Vietnam but it's highly unlikely it would be to Thailand as he seems to be (irrationally) anxious that I will be swept off my feet by some Pattaya GoGo boy! This is not fantasy - although I'm a very private individual we have both met SGT forum contributors.

When I come back in early Sept I will have about a week to 10 days home before a short trip to Germany, with a friend.

This is called having a life MiniMee- you should try it instead of getting some sort of vicarious orgasm from monitoring other people's movements

Not that you even do it successfully or efficiently - I have visited Thailand not once as you suggest but ~ 6 or 7 times in the time frame you mention. Overall I have visited over 20 times. I'm certain others have visited more but it's not actually a competition you know and there is no qualification bar to post here.

Moving on to the subject of A-O - several photos have been posted here of boys who have died either through accidents or other reasons (including AIDS), yet I don't recall you criticising any of those posters. Perhaps you'd be good enough to demonstrate your consistent outrage over "voyeurism" by linking to your critical comments on those other posts?

I respect Colmx not wanting to post a link or a photo - and in fact I commented positively on it.

[Nirish guy]

Sorry the above is the message I MEANT to post and the edit window beat me ( Moses apologies, please feel free to delete the above as I can't any longer )


Without wanting to step into that whole voyeurism discussion I would just add that whilst in this case I respect Colmx's decision not to post AO's picture ( up to him) I personally see nothing wrong with someone posting a short respectful Obituary type pic when a boy a lot of us might know passes.

No details as how how or why his passing took place are required, merely that he's sadly gone. I say this as unlike Latin etc I know I certainly have connected with (some) boys on a human level on trips, wether that be out partying, eating with them and their friends, sitting on a beach late at night talking about them and their lives and their fears and their family and me mine etc etc and so after many trips you can't help but to get to know and like some guys a bit ( well as much as they want me to know and that works two ways of course) - and that's not to say ALL guys I ever meet Latin as yes of course some are strictly business, but some also end up being just a little more than that and those boys I've never regret meeting or interacting with at any time over all my trips.

So in general I see no harm in those of us who frequent the bars etc being respectfully informed that "x" has passed away. It also saves us asking numerous boys "so where is X this trip then" and leading to them feeling awkward or having to lie about that. I actually had a situation just a few weeks ago where the mother of a boy that had died ( and a friend of mine) posted a post in and on his account on his Facebook page ( in Thai of course) in a memorium type way and several farang were messaging "him" to say hi and ask what bar he was working in now etc and I was able to quietly advise them to stop ( even though the poor guys funeral pics were on down the page !) as I WAS aware that he'd passed and so realised what was happening.

So personally I see it as no different from when someone here might post a pic of perhaps a well known bar owner or maybe if a popular poster or blog writer passes etc to let us all know that he's gone and and allow those of us who knew him just to take a second to note his passing as to me the boys are no less in stature as human beings as us and so as we might know them as well if not better than the above examples then to me there's no reason we would feel we need to make any difference about that.

But again Colmx I fully respect your choice not to post AO's pic on this occasion and to get you to do so is certainly not the point of this post.

[a447]

A while ago a member sent me a PM about a massage boy be knew well who had died - he had been murdered. I didn't know the boy in question but I felt the member's pain acutely.

It got me thinking - how would I react if I heard similar news?

Over the years I've made many long-term friends amongst the working boys and would be devastated if anything ever happened to them.

I would definitely want to know.

[latintopxxx]

...too close for comfort...they are not my friends..at most a vague acquaintance...I have friends..people I care about...would be too emotionally draining to befriend the dozens of MB I use.
In a way have to admire people who have the emotional strength to do so...

[BonTong]

No secret : untreated HIV and motosay accidents !

At least from what I've seen in Chiang Mai I have to agree. Though, whilst I know some who have sadly died from AIDS, the number of motosai deaths I would say is much higher. Most of the MBs here (in CM) are straight and won't engage in much risky sexual activity. The greater HIV risk for them maybe comes from their working bar girl partners.

I recall the comments of one bar owner in response to an anti HIV campaign targetting bar boys: "The money would be better spent if they bought them each a motosai helmet". That said, those with hard heads would still rather risk demonstrating that heads aren't so hard when they impact tarmac, than actually wear a helmet. After all trendy hair-dos are worth more than life itself.

Don't discount murder as a cause of death. I've known several who have succumbed to various violent acts, often connected to Shan gang warfare, and even road rage.

Quite a few older ex MBs have health issues, resulting from a lifetime of drugs, lao khao.and late night street food lifestyle. These often lead to premature death too.

[a447]

Latin, it was my mistake not to write 'friends' in inverted commas, as I usually do.

The guys I wrote about - and there are only a few of them - are not friends in the normal sense of the word. But they are guys I feel close to, having spent so much time with them. And they also treat me differently from all the other moneyboys I have met over the years.

I don't want them as friends, as they are too young for me and we have little in common. They also do not want me as their friend, I'm sure.

But there's a closeness and a connection between us. If anything untoward were to happen, I would be there for them. And I am confident they would take care of me should I need their help.

These types of guys are few and far between and I value their company.

[FarangRuMak]

This is a disturbing topic because these all-too-many deaths, though not close to home, are part of the gay-bar culture that I certainly supported.
Almost all the deaths are premature and many are the result of preventable STDs.
A few guys come to mind such a the happy-go-lucky M who worked in a go-go in Sunnee.
He died 2 years ago from pneumonia in a Thai hospital.
His mother lived in Jomtien and she had to cremate her child before he had reached his 24th. year.
He made a lot of money in his day and lived a short high life but he didn't have any left when he needed specialist care.
There are many cases like his.

[Oliver]

TB is often the first indication of infection and then comes pneumonia. Falangs who meet Thais with persistent coughs, night-sweats, loss of appetite (and of course weight) should do their best to encourage the guy to go to a hospital, quickly. Both TB and pneumonia can be treated effectively even if the patient is hiv+.

[cdnmatt]

Hookers get deadly diseases that kill them? Would have never guessed!

Sorry, but that was pretty rude. On another note, life isn't overly valuable here. I think you can get someone murdered for about 20,000 baht.

Or another way to go is just borrow money from the mafia, and don't pay them back. That will do it.

[FarangRuMak]

TB is still a scourge in Asia.
A former Sunnee "doorman" with whom I'm still friendly contracted TB 2 years ago. He's HIV negative.
He was lucky in that he worked in a large fish processing factory in Bangkok and the condition was detected early during a routine medical checkup carried out bt the company doctor.
All his medication and consultation was free but he had to take 9 months unpaid leave.
That's where I came in and I'm very glad that I helped.
He's now TB free and is working normally again. He's married and has 2 kids and they have their father.
I would have helped M too but I wasn't aware of the situation until it was all over.

[bobsaigon2]

[QUOTE=FarangRuMak;221091]TB is still a scourge in Asia.

That's where I came in and I'm very glad that I helped.
He's now TB free and is working normally again. He's married and has 2 kids and they have their father.
QUOTE]

Well done! Your karma is in very good shape now.

[FarangRuMak]

Don't fuck too much with Karma.

[cdnmatt]

Sorry, but karma doesn't work worth a shit.

Several times now Leo has came into my room, and asked, "why do bad things always happen to good people?", and he's right. More times than not it's the greedy, manipulative assholes who make out better in this world. They might not have much of a soul left, but nonetheless....

[FarangRuMak]

Most cultures have a sense of Karma and temping fate is not generally a good idea.
But it does seem that evil often triumphs.
The field of the nasties here is dominated by one or two with a few 3rd raters thrown in.
But they're probably Trolls when it all boils down.

[goji]

At least from what I've seen in Chiang Mai I have to agree. Though, whilst I know some who have sadly died from AIDS, the number of motosai deaths I would say is much higher.

Good to see some members trying to keep on topic.

The road accident statistics for Thailand as posted a few months back were among the very worse in the world. Even worse than Vietnam, which beggars belief having seen the driving standards in Vietnam & up to 3 proper accidents scenes viewed from just one bus trip.

I suppose the difference might be down to more widespread vehicle use & speed in Thailand.

Of course, STDs are the factor which should perhaps get more discussion here.

[latintopxxx]

karma is not real..its simply a coping mechanism employed by the weak ....its akin to religion...gives them the ability to persevere in the face of injustice....of which there is plenty the world over...the number of mini-dictators employed by multi-nationals is staggering.
Bon Tong....not sure if the situation in CM is unique...but in my vast experience with MB in BKK and Pattaya the term straight is very very elastic...maybe its also a coping mechanism...as in "Im not gay I just do this because all my buffalo die and I need money" ....
This topic is a real downer...when in Thailand I'm in "holiday" mode...even when Im at work...one of the few places where i can act out fantasies and kinks...behave like the usual rules dont apply...

[bobsaigon2]

I said, "Your karma is in very good shape now".

I don't know why this set some people off. I was just trying to commend FarangRuMak on his response to a person in need. Not trying to make a case for karma. Up to you if you accept it or not.

[Oliver]

"The usual rules don't apply....." There speaks the white colonist having his fun with the benighted natives.
"Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for as ye sow, so shall ye reap." That is the Christian and Jewish version of Karma. Not only that; it's also good sense.

[latintopxxx]

jewish karma...really...geez they must have real shitty karma...first the nazis had a go at them...(well not first because a whole lotta others like the Tsars had a go to) then they got banished to a desert with NO natural resources..surrounded by oil rich arabs hell bent on wiping them off the face of the earth..and they have to chop the edge off their dicks...like how is that karma..or the so called chosen people.

[scottish-guy]

Basically the Jews have been persecuted wherever they went.

You'd think they'd take the hint, wouldn't you?

Mind you - us poofs haven't - so COME ON YOU JEWS!

[dinagam]

Anatomically speaking, the prepuce is not something indispensable.

[latintopxxx]

Speak for yourself, I like my foreskin. And Oliver it has very little to do with natives and colonialism, I behave in the same place ah in Eastern Europe. I'm really not very picky about colour.

[latintopxxx]

Damn auto spell "I behave in the same manner in Eastern Europe "

[FarangRuMak]

Anatomically speaking, the prepuce is not something indispensable.
I hear that these skins are to the fore in the cosmetics industry in the USA and are far from indispensable.
The hospitals sell them in bulk to the cosmetic plants where they're added to skin rejuvenation cream for ladies.
Probably a trade in body parts that goes back to Abraham's time.

[latintopxxx]

Now u r just being silly. Anyway we r way off topic. I don't like this post. I prefer to remember my times in Thailand through mb sex fun filled rose tinted glasses, no sadness or (especially) reality allowed. When in Thailand there is only sun, warmth, ample bubbled butted firm fleshed mb who adore me. If I want reality I just stay at home. I just want to remember Thailand as a never ending parade of gorgeous male specimens all available if so desired. I don't need to know the truth behind thd smiles.

[Nirish guy]

The above sounds like the start of a dodgy novel - "Horny, Nude and Deluded in Bangkok - a NON Love story of a Farang and his Boys" Available now in all good bookstores. :-)

[latintopxxx]

Horny ....yes
Nude....yeah mostly ...I only fuck naked
Deluded....no, some of u though may be, especially when u try to pretend that the MB cares for u.
Or u try to pretend that u r a step above because u pay more.
As often stated I see a mb purely as a service provider, and like I do with all service providers I try to get most value for money.
Now I realise that buying sex is not like getting your laundry done, so to me sex involves more than the straight forward sexual act.,.enough said 😊

[arsenal]

Getting back on topic. I always feel sad when I read of the premature deaths of young Thai bar/massage boys. makes me realise how lucky we are to be able to enjoy such pleasures. A lot of them have wives and children and in those circumstances it's a tragedy.

[cdnmatt]

@latin, you really need to see a shrink or something. Those memories of being mercilessly picked on as a kid have fucked you up pretty badly. Just not healthy.

[latintopxxx]

Nah, can't blame my childhood or parents, had a very happy upbringing. Maybe I'm the realistic balanced one and it's u that might need help. Just saying.

[Oliver]

A little like the proud mum at her son's passing out parade from his military college....."Look! the whole regiment is out of step apart from our Latin."

[latintopxxx]

Baaa there go the sheep

[FarangRuMak]

"The lady doth protest too much methinks"

[latintopxxx]

Totally off topic now. Would have replied earlier but I at least do have a life and at the mo am real busy enjoying it.

[scottish-guy]

For my part it's not a dispute that the Rabbi has a life, it's more a matter of being saddened at how squalid and murky it appears to be

[latintopxxx]

...squalid & murky??...one mans trash is ...go ahead finish it

[Oliver]

I'd add the word "unhappy." To be unable to appreciate the worth of others as human beings with feelings and rights, whether they are paid to perform tasks or not, suggests a lifetime of disappointment and rejection.

[gerefan2]

...squalid & murky??...one mans trash is ...go ahead finish it

Fuk me Latin,that almost, I say again almost, made me smile.

[colmx]

Looks like another RIP thread on FB again today

latest guy to pass away was Non, a really lovely Khmer boy that worked as a coyote in NAB for a number of years, but left a few months ago due to liver problems. Non was one of the nicest coyotes that I have ever met and was never one of those guys that demanded tips or asked for coyote drinks etc.

I know that some people find this thread depressing... but for me its interesting to see the reality of what 4-5 years of drinking multiple shots of Johnny walker every night can do to your body.
RIP Non

[joe552]

.sorry latintop, you do sound cruel, heartless and uncaring. We all know your modus operandi by now. To introduce it to this thread is disgusting.

[whitemouse]

Looks like another RIP thread on FB again today

latest guy to pass away was..



Can you post some details, maybe photos of the funeral, a tasteful video of grieving relatives?

When I browse gay forums, it's death that attracts me.
Anything morbid that you could add would be helpful, Colmix!

You are such good, caring man! Just put links here, so I can grieve too, even tho I didn't know the dead man. You knew him, and that's what matters to all of us!

Colmex, what we need here is 'we're going to die soon' thred, lets make it a sticky, so we won't forget about death!

Thank you! You are a good man!

[latintopxxx]

oliver...unhappy...me?! U must have me confused with some other famous celebrity...Im so happy that if I could package and sell it Id make a fucking fortune...I beam sunshine.

[Mickp]

Looks like another RIP thread on FB again today

latest guy to pass away was Non, a really lovely Khmer boy that worked as a coyote in NAB for a number of years, but left a few months ago due to liver problems. Non was one of the nicest coyotes that I have ever met and was never one of those guys that demanded tips or asked for coyote drinks etc.

I know that some people find this thread depressing... but for me its interesting to see the reality of what 4-5 years of drinking multiple shots of Johnny walker every night can do to your body.
RIP Non

You should know them all with all the years u spent partying with your BF and his friends and friends of his where you spent and wasted all the money you worked so hard for now u cant affird to come back until January!

[arsenal]

Fuck off Latin. I'm more famous than you. I get written about on boards where I'm not even a member. And there is no doubt that all the recent carpet baggers who've pitched up here have come to enjoy my scintillating wit and informed worldly commentary. So there.

[latintopxxx]

nah..thats infamous..also a good thing btw

[neddy3]

Tasteless garbage white mouse.

Is there a competition going on here to see who's the most idiotic?

[scottish-guy]

...all the recent carpet baggers who've pitched up here have come to enjoy my scintillating wit and informed worldly commentary..

Don't you mean "wintillating shit"?

:D

[francois]

And, as usual, another post had trashed.

[whitemouse]

Tasteless garbage white mouse.

Is there a competition going on here to see who's the most idiotic?

Apologies! And to make it up for my insensitive post, I'm going to mourne today by wearing a black shirt.

I only posted to bump this death thread, love to think about death, it keeps me happy all day :)

[Oliver]

When I read of deaths of young workers in Pattaya- and I'm not referring to this one, nor any in particular- my thoughts turn to the incidence of Hiv and the need for us to be careful and ensure that the guys we meet are careful too.

[dorayme]

A Thai friend died 3 months ago from Tuberculosis related to HIV at the age of 27. He was a really sweet guy. Last year a farang friend died of Tuberculosis. Both died very quickly after diagnosis.

[billyhouston]

When I read of deaths of young workers in Pattaya- and I'm not referring to this one, nor any in particular- my thoughts turn to the incidence of Hiv and the need for us to be careful and ensure that the guys we meet are careful too.

It's seldom that I agree with Oliver, and this may even be a first, but in this instance I'm with him one hundred percent.

[colmx]

When I read of deaths of young workers in Pattaya- and I'm not referring to this one, nor any in particular- my thoughts turn to the incidence of Hiv and the need for us to be careful and ensure that the guys we meet are careful too.
Thanks Oliver - that was exactly one of the original point of this thread... Thereare far too many young deaths in Pattaya.

In Non's case he died of liver disease... no doubt attributable to the sheer amount of alcohol that a coyote has to down per night in order to keep those tips rolling in... When a Coyote gets a night off... he usually does anything but drink alcohol!

[colmx]

You are such good, caring man! Just put links here, so I can grieve too, even tho I didn't know the dead man. You knew him, and that's what matters to all of us!

Are you trying to give MickP/BBB some competition in the classless f*ck competition?

People like you have probably never had any real friends.. or even mere acquaintances... so it must be hard for you to empathise. That's your loss...

[whitemouse]

Are you trying to give MickP/BBB some competition in the classless f*ck competition?

People like you have probably never had any real friends.. or even mere acquaintances... so it must be hard for you to empathise. That's your loss...

For me grief is private matter. Like everyone, I too have lost friends, but I don't make a thread out of it. Of course I could, I could post it all here, photos of funerals, sobing, grief striken friends and parents.

You accuse me of being heartless. Funerals and deaths of friends is not something I would announce here. I wouldn't burden you with these stories, because I have a heart. I don't wish to make your morning dark and depressing.

What you are doing is called 'virtue signalling', you post other people's tragedies here in order to show what an emphatic, good person you are.

[colmx]

What you are doing is called 'virtue signalling', you post other people's tragedies here in order to show what an emphatic, good person you are.

God you are thick, as has been posted above this thread is not about an individual death... It is supposed to point out that the death rate of young gays in Pattaya is abnormally high compared to other places... Be that from STIs, alcohol related diseases or drunken road traffic accents.

It is also surmising that perhaps the death rate was always as high... But none of us were aware it was this high due to the lack of social media penetration in the past.

Get it?

[whitemouse]

God you are thick, as has been posted above this thread is not about an individual death... It is supposed to point out that the death rate of young gays in Pattaya is abnormally high compared to other places... Be that from STIs, alcohol related diseases or drunken road traffic accents.

It is also surmising that perhaps the death rate was always as high... But none of us were aware it was this high due to the lack of social media penetration in the past.

Get it?

Ok, I get it now, sometimes I'm slow.

[latintopxxx]

oh honestly..wish this thread would just die..pardon le pun...such a morbid topic..why doesnt someone in the know start a new threat about fresh meat..like new gogo/mb fresh off the bus from Laos/Cambodia/Isaan???

[joe552]

That has to be one of the nastiest, most horrible posts I've read on here

[Mickp]

oh honestly..wish this thread would just die..pardon le pun...such a morbid topic..why doesnt someone in the know start a new threat about fresh meat..like new gogo/mb fresh off the bus from Laos/Cambodia/Isaan???


Speaking of .......I wonder how Bob is going? Sorry to get off topic

[latintopxxx]

joe552...people die all the time...Pattaya Mb are probably up there because of their high octane lifestyles...Im not judging...its their choice...they could just stay at home back on the buffalo..in the rice paddy..or what ever...but they choose otherwise...we all make life choices...if i drank less i would probably live until 98 like my grandad...but whats the fun in that...??
They decide to whore themselves out...and drink heavily...all good...die early...I dont wanna know about it...its like I like watching rugby and boxing...not exactly healthy for the particiapnts...but hey...lotsa money and adorations whilst u r in the game...bit like a MB.

[a447]

Reporting on the death of bar boys, or their fate in general, is relevant to many of us, as there is a chance that we know the same boys.

If something untoward happened to a guy I knew well, then I'd be grateful for the information. If he were ill, for example, or were having financial difficulties, maybe I'd be in a position to help.

But as I don't live in Thailand, I have no other way of knowing.

[latintopxxx]

....fuck talk about fake sympathy...says a lot about your true personality...at least i dont pretend that i care...

[Oliver]

When I returned to Pattaya after my first visit- and the same thing happened subsequently- I was surprised and sometimes disappointed that guys I had met and even more so, those whom I'd wanted to know but had missed the opportunity, were no longer working there. As I became more knowledgeable about the scourge of AIDS in SE Asia I realised that some of them had gone home to die. In those days, of course, HIV treatment was less sophisticated and less available than it is today.
One of the defining issues that frequently appears on this forum concerns the humanity of members and the responsibilities we have towards the people we have dealings with. Returning to those early visits in the 90s, I was impressed by what I saw of the gay community in Pattaya and I still believe it to be, on the whole, responsible and caring. This is why it is appropriate that we are kept informed.

[latintopxxx]

oliver.....u wanna be well informed so u can do what?? indulge some morbid curiosity?? In your post not once have u mentioned assisting. This is just another sick form of voyeurism.

[vnman]

It is supposed to point out that the death rate of young gays in Pattaya is abnormally high compared to other places...

That's an interested statement. Is that based on personal experience or is there a study that proves this?