Pattaya

[Omega]

Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?

[Moses]

Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?

Nope. Check men's clubs in Google. NAB for example. There are few more. Also separated layer - karaoke, but this is mostly for locals.

[Omega]

would you recommend it over say Chiang Mai?

[latintopxxx]

as a self confessed sex tourist I'm only here for 10 days at a time...paying for it is just perfect, ample quality..ample quantity...and no matter what they keep smiling and simply love your company.

[cdnmatt]

Of course there's local hangouts, such as karaokes, small clubs / restaurants and clubs, and other hangouts that are mostly locals only and there's no commercial sex there.

However, if you're a tourist in Pattaya, everyone is just going to assume you're there for da hookers, and will proposition you regardless of where in the city you are.

[bobsaigon2]

Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?

Pattaya is ALL about selling and buying sex. Good shopping too, but people don't make the trip to spend their time at the malls.

Chiang Mai is much less sex-focused and much more of an opportunity to observe Thai culture, past and present.

But, Omega, I really wonder if you would enjoy the Thai experience. Your questions here and on the other thread lead me to think "no".

[scottish-guy]

Perhaps if the Catholic Church opened a convent in Pattaya then Omega could stay there - as since he is determined not to pay, my guess is his sexual experience will be a case of nun yesterday, nun today, and most likely nun tomorrow

[a447]

You never know- he might pick up some dirty habits in the convent.

[FarangRuMak]

I haven't been to a Boy Escort Karaoke bar for some time now.
These are the bars on Sai 3 etc where the boys present themselves in the latest fashion and fantastic hair styles as companions in the bar on a 20 minute rotating basis.
They can be "offed" as well but the owners don't like it and so it's an expensive option. (The object is to have the boys sit with customers and speed up liquor consumption)
I noticed that the customers were made up of Thai women, Thai ladyboys with money, gay men and malcontented straight males dragged along by their wives and girlfriends.
A venue like this might be worth a try for the OP.

[Oliver]

Mr boyfriend has a close friend who is a mamasan in one of those establishments. He claims that the guys who work there tend to be more handsome usually than our gogo dancers- and, naturally, straight. As far as he is aware, there are no male customers at the particular bar where his friend works; the bars are supported mainly by Thai women whose husbands work away from home and those whose husbands no longer perform in bed. These places are not cheap, apparently- this mamasan makes a lot of money!
I've just remembered- a few years ago I was having dinner with P in the old Thai buffet in Pattaya Sai with his mamasan friend (a ladyboy) and watched in amazement while he attempted to "recruit" one of the waiters for his karaoke bar. The amount of money he'd have made would have far exceeded his wages at the buffet.

[Omega]

Of course there's local hangouts, such as karaokes, small clubs / restaurants and clubs, and other hangouts that are mostly locals only and there's no commercial sex there.

However, if you're a tourist in Pattaya, everyone is just going to assume you're there for da hookers, and will proposition you regardless of where in the city you are.



Pattaya is ALL about selling and buying sex. Good shopping too, but people don't make the trip to spend their time at the malls.

Chiang Mai is much less sex-focused and much more of an opportunity to observe Thai culture, past and present.

But, Omega, I really wonder if you would enjoy the Thai experience. Your questions here and on the other thread lead me to think "no".


Maybe I'll skip Pattaya altogether, or at least only go a couple days for the experience.


Perhaps if the Catholic Church opened a convent in Pattaya then Omega could stay there - as since he is determined not to pay, my guess is his sexual experience will be a case of nun yesterday, nun today, and most likely nun tomorrow

Perhaps you're right. Perhaps I won't get any sex on my visit to Thailand. But I'm not really asking where the best place to get sex is, am I?

But why the hostility? Do you perceive my lack of interest in paying for sex as some kind of judgement?

[scottish-guy]

..a few years ago I was having dinner with P ...

Kinky - I usually just have beer or wine

[kittyboy]

Maybe I'll skip Pattaya altogether, or at least only go a couple days for the experience.



Perhaps you're right. Perhaps I won't get any sex on my visit to Thailand. But I'm not really asking where the best place to get sex is, am I?

But why the hostility? Do you perceive my lack of interest in paying for sex as some kind of judgement?

Go to pattaya and enjoy. I find it to be fun people watching. And if you can find the right companion lots of non bar sex boy activities.

[Moses]

But why the hostility? Do you perceive my lack of interest in paying for sex as some kind of judgement?

Don't worry, it isn't hostility. Mostly it is teasing and (may be) a little bit of jealousy :)

[bobsaigon2]

Not really hostility. For the most part, it's just people, myself included, being unable to understand why any young single gay male would come to Pattaya if not for sex. The beaches are far from impressive, the sea water is hazardous to your health, the shopping is just as good or better elsewhere.

The families who live in Bangkok use Pattaya as a weekend destination, let the kids romp in the hotel pool, get some air in their lungs that is not as tainted as it is in Bangkok. Maybe a trip to Nong Nooch Gardens, the Aquarium, and attend the latest Thai theater shows. If that appeals to you, head to Pattaya.

[Smiles]

Omega, (from your posts) you would probably be more comfortable seeking out farangs who are long-termers, who live in Thailand with a Thai partner and only go to gay bars - of any kind - every so often.
I guess I'm an example of such: 17 years now with one -- getting older -- Thai man.

But this species does not populate either gay Thailand message boards or gay bars anywhere near as much as those guys who uphold Thailand's economy in such lavishly-spending ways every year for a few months at a time.
The butterflies land, but do not stay, and their needs and focus tend toward hunting down the best-looking, the cutest, the sexiest, the sweetest of Thailand's uber 'younger' male population (and such are prodigeous).
And good for them I say ... the world needs as many happy-go-sluts as it can swallow.

If you are looking for "Thai Culture", forget it in Bangkok (though the Grand Palace is cool), Phuket, or Pattaya.
You'll have to head out to the boonies for that ... but better to do this kind of trekking for 6 months (better 6 years), not 6 weeks. That tiny time period will find you not much to get you teeth into (I will be taken to task here by The Butterflies for using words such as 'teeth ' and 'swallow' which do not include sex) besides searching out great Thai food (a good place to start) or Buddhist Wats (seen one, seen 'em all).
Just ask some bent over old lady on a muddy alley in Isaan to show you some Thai culture. She will probably get you to help her out with her heavy bag of rice.

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I'll probably regret this, but if you wish to contact me through this board's Private Message feature I would be happy to help you explore a Thai city called Hua Hin which I have called my home for 10 years now. Nothing like the 3 Sex Stooges you have mentioned in your posts, but I might be able to show you a teenie bit of something approaching Thai Culture.
PS ... guess what. Hua hin has 2 gay bars and a fine sandy beach with Thai Beach Culture going on into the wee hours after 6 oclock pm when the Thais take back their beach from an inundation of overweight farangs.

[sglad]

Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?

Some might say that relationship is parasitic but that's for another discussion.

In your other thread, you said that you're looking for a "good, old-fashioned party." You didn't explain what you mean by "party" but if you're looking to sample interesting food, drink, dance, get to know people, hook up and generally have a good time, then all that is possible in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya. You'll be going at Christmas/end of the year which is the peak of high season and it's going to be busy everywhere with many venues holding special events. The clubs will be full with locals and visitors who are probably looking for the same things as you are. You'll meet people but it will depend on you as much as the environment, if not more so. If you're friendly, outgoing and have an open mind, you won't get bored. As you know, no one owes you a good time - you need to meet them halfway with your positive attitude and spontaneity. Just watch your drink and possessions. And if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Find out what clubs are in/open closer to your travel date as these change. You might want make a friend or two (local or foreign) before you arrive and see if they might be interested in hitting the same venues.

A word about Thai culture. As with all living cultures, it's not static nor is it confined to a particular place or time. That's the kind of rubbish that you get from antiquated guide books and dusty colonials who still wish it was 1904 ie before the abolition of slavery. You'll find bits of Thai culture everywhere and urban Thai culture is just as 'valid' as rural cultures. Bangkok is a great melting pot and, in addition to the constant struggle/conflation/juxtaposition between/of the old and the new, the modern and the rustic, you'll see influences from Chinese, Hindu, Khmer, Laotian, Burmese and Islamic cultures.

Take it easy, don't think too much and you'll have a good time. Good luck!

[sglad]

As far as he is aware, there are no male customers at the particular bar where his friend works; the bars are supported mainly by Thai women whose husbands work away from home and those whose husbands no longer perform in bed. These places are not cheap, apparently- this mamasan makes a lot of money!

Also Thai prostitutes who, after spreading it for 2" Akito from Japan or limp John "Founty" Smith from London, are dying for a young, 7" throbbing Thai cock who will pound them to nirvana. I hear these venues are particularly popular with Thai women and gay men with farang husbands/sponsors. They have money to burn.

[arsenal]

Paying for sex is like the first time you drive an automatic car. It feels a little awkward at first and you're not exactly sure what to do. But then you realise it's the absolute best and never want to go back to manual.

[francois]

Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?

There are a number of beer bars that offer what you may want.

[goji]

would you recommend it over say Chiang Mai?

It depends on what you want from a holiday, which has not been explained.

[scottish-guy]

If the requirement is to be bored shitless and almost to the point of suicide, then Chiang Mai wins hands down

[FarangRuMak]

Paying for sex is like the first time you drive an automatic car. It feels a little awkward at first and you're not exactly sure what to do. But then you realise it's the absolute best and never want to go back to manual.
I agree.
The "I don't want your money" guys can turn out to be an expensive type of free in the long term.

[FarangRuMak]

Also Thai prostitutes who, after spreading it for 2" Akito from Japan or limp John "Founty" Smith from London, are dying for a young, 7" throbbing Thai cock who will pound them to nirvana. I hear these venues are particularly popular with Thai women and gay men with farang husbands/sponsors. They have money to burn.
I have seen ladyboys-in-funds gathering boys around them in these bars.
I have also seen farangs with their wives there very obviously against their will.I think many of these women sneak back later for some fun.
In fact a Thai friend of mine who worked as an escort got into a fight with a farang in a bar on Sai Three. The usual thing happened: as long as he was winning nobody interfered but as soon as the farang started getting on top all the boys and security rushed in to break it up.
My friend was sacked however.
These bars stay open until 7 or 8 am.
Many of the boys become seriously addicted to drink working in these places.

[arsenal]

Go for a gentle stroll. First wander through Sunee and Boystown and see the quality and behaviour of the boys. Then wander down to Soi 6 and take a look at the quality and behaviour of the girls. Both come from similar backgrounds but the boys are delightful and lovely whereas the girls are drunken slags. Be glad you're not straight.

[Oliver]

I may not approve of references to "drunken slags" but then I'm an old-fashioned liberal.... nevertheless, Arsenal is absolutely right to compare this behaviour with that of "our" guys. Much the same can be said of the respective punters. Admittedly, judging from some comments from some posters on this message board you may think otherwise but I've seen very few unacceptable public incidents in over seventy visits to Pattaya.
And as for the go go dancers and the vast majority of others on the scene, I am struck not just by their good manners but the way in which they maintain a cheerful countenance in the most trying of circumstances. That, by the way, is a good old Victorian muscular Christian virtue of which Dr Arnold of Rugby would be proud.

[cdnmatt]

Cine on guys, quit trying to hype Pattaya up. Call it what it is -- a sleazy shithole where you visit to get laid 3 times/day by hookers.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I personally loved the sleaze. It was great fun. And quite obviously, loads of others enjoy the sleaze as well.

[Nirish guy]

Cine on guys, quit trying to hype Pattaya up. Call it what it is -- a sleazy shithole where you visit to get laid 3 times/day by hookers.

See to me if someone WAS trying to hype a place up to get my interest then THAT IS the EXACT description of the place that I'd be looking for ! :-)

[DrewSpz]

Does anyone have a somewhat recent bar map of Pattaya. I have pretty good maps of sunee and Jomtien, I'm really interested in the walking street side of things. Are there gay bars and Gogo places outside boyztown? A link would be great

[Manforallseasons]

Does anyone have a somewhat recent bar map of Pattaya. I have pretty good maps of sunee and Jomtien, I'm really interested in the walking street side of things. Are there gay bars and Gogo places outside boyztown? A link would be great

NO!

[Omega]

In your other thread, you said that you're looking for a "good, old-fashioned party." You didn't explain what you mean by "party" but if you're looking to sample interesting food, drink, dance, get to know people, hook up and generally have a good time

This is the confusing thing here... various people have said I've not explained what I'm looking for, but then you go and say exactly what I'm looking for. Clearly I'm not being ambiguous if you can nail it on the head in one go.

I'm thinking I may hit Pattaya for a few days, the hotels are fairly cheap it seems compared to other places, and its not that far from BKK.

I like some of the suggestions people have put out here, gonna do some more research, and see where it takes me.

[sglad]

This is the confusing thing here... various people have said I've not explained what I'm looking for, but then you go and say exactly what I'm looking for. Clearly I'm not being ambiguous if you can nail it on the head in one go.

Truthfully, I wasn't sure what you were looking for. "Party" can also mean "high fun" or "chem fun" or what the older generation calls PnP. You can find that in Bangkok too. Not my scene and I can't help you out there.

On this board you have to be as clear and specific as possible as to what you're saying or looking for and even then there's no guarantee that you will be understood and responded to accordingly. Gay life or nightlife is often used synonymously with commercial gay sex. Most of the time, members would just project their own wants, circumstances and insecurities on to you with little regard to what you're actually saying. So if you express a desire to go to Bangkok or Pattaya to have some "good, old-fashioned fun" it would be automatically assumed that you were looking to hire prostitutes. Difference is not a big thing here and you will be chastised and sometimes even hounded off the board for it. But not everyone is like that and there are a few who have an interest in Thailand beyond "bar etiquette" and "how much to tip".

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Double post

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Good post there by sglad, to be fair.

Sorry you feel you had a negative reception, Omega, but I think the problem you faced with your OP is similar to a mistake I think many people make when they post in this board as newbies - they don't realise it's not really a travel board. If you post on say, the Lonely Planet forums asking about a prospective Florence trip or suchlike, with vague questions about what might be fun, people will be happy to jump in and give you all sorts of suggestions because “what's good to see in Florence” is the topic that unites them.

However, here here on this board are you a mixture of travellers, ex-pats, long term stayers, assorted lunatics etc., (with I guess only a love of cock as the unfier!) so if you ask your travel question you are as likely to get people are replying with a smart-ass comment to get a laugh, or are on their own hobby-horses and so on. I don't mean this so much as a criticism of this board as much as just explaining how the board is. It can also suffer (in the views of some) because of the fact that it's not really a pure bar-mongering board either, such as say the Pattaya Addicts board is for straight mongers. This means that it is often a less sympathetic to the trip reports then it could be (and personally I'd prefer if it was more welcoming of sexually frank trip reports and the like) but again it's because it's such a mixed board and you have quite a few posters so don't really like that sort of discussion, and are not shy about making their opinions known.

So that is really are rather long-winded way to say don't let yourself be too put off if you can't get the answer you want quickly on this board. However there is a lot of detailed knowledge here, so if you have a particular question you can get a good info. My advice would be to think first if you're travelling to decide what sort of trip you want and ask pretty focused questions such as "I was thinking of going to Samui (or Chiang Mai or Krabi) with my boyfriend and I am interested in sex without payment, or maybe just gay bars to hung out in, what is that place like for that?"

If you ask a question like "I am thinking of going to Pattaya but I don't want to off a guy cause I think its too tacky" it's a bit like saying "I want to go to Las Vegas but I don't like gambling"

You are not going to get a positive reaction.

[sglad]

If you ask a question like "I am thinking of going to Pattaya but I don't want to off a guy cause I think its too tacky" it's a bit like saying "I want to go to Las Vegas but I don't like gambling"



But he didn't say it like that, did he, at least I didn't think he did? He posed an open-ended question with no mention of wanting or not wanting paid sex. Certainly I don't recall him making any criticism of it, at least not initially. It was others who jumped and made all sorts of assumptions against him, including projecting their own moral guilt on paid sex, IMHO.

My grandparents are not into gambling but they went to Las Vegas to see Tony Bennett as part of their tour of the US West Coast. They loved it. They don't drink much wine or alcohol but they really liked the Nappa Valley and took great pictures. They don't eat beef but sometimes go to MacDonald's for hotcakes and hash browns...

[arsenal]

Specific questions will usually get specific replies. But each and every member here reserves the right to introduce other subjects into almost any thread however banal or venal that subject might be. For example, Freaky might use your questions to launch an attack on an institution while being fully aware of potential consequences. Isn't that right Freakykins?

[RonanTheBarbarian]

But he didn't say it like that, did he, at least I didn't think he did? He posed an open-ended question with no mention of wanting or not wanting paid sex. Certainly I don't recall him making any criticism of it, at least not initially.

Well, his opening question was : "Pattaya - Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?"

Perhaps it WAS meant as straightforward question, but the undertone of it was pretty clear, in my mind anyway.

Perhaps Omega just happens to have an unfortunate tendency to ask innocent questions in a somewhat aggressive way?


By the way, chuffed to get all the "likes" in my previous post, when I reread it myself after posting it seemed like a turgid repetition of the bleedin obvious, so glad to see that a few people thought it was worth spelling out anyway.

[whitemouse]

Well, his opening question was : "Pattaya - Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?"

Perhaps it WAS meant as straightforward question, but the undertone of it was pretty clear, I thought...

Perhaps Omega just happens to have an unfortunate tendency to ask innocent questions in a somewhat aggressive way?




All of Omega's questions have been about sex, this thread, and his 'newby' advice thread, where is one and ONLY question how safe is it bring pills that allow him to fuck without condoms to Thailand. All very innocent, a young man curious about Thai culture, man finding himself in a distant land of temples and such, discovering Silk Road. Nothing to do with sex at all, ESPECIALLY dirty, paid sex! This young man is pure!

LOL.


The reason Omega and Sglad understand each other so well, to the point they're almost able complete each others sentences, is because they are very likely related. Earlier Sglad deciphered Omega's vague question about where to party in very expert fashion. To most English speakers wanting to 'party' means getting high, but Sglad accurately translated it to mean wanting to go dancing. I'm sure he meant FREE party, because it has to be free. Paying is for dirty old men!!

[whitemouse]

The reason Omega and Sglad understand each other so well, to the point they're almost able complete each others sentences, is because they are very likely related.

And I'm pretty sure Omega and Sglad have a third brother in Khon Kaen, that blind dude with 'couple of cool dogs' .

[a447]

The reason Omega and Sglad understand each other so well, to the point they're almost able complete each others sentences, is because they are very likely related.

A bit like the "relationship" between sgdad and sugargrandpa, perhaps?

Lol

[bobsaigon2]

Should also include the debunked Beachlover, surely a relation to one or more of the above.

[sglad]

Well, his opening question was : "Pattaya - Is it all go go bars? Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?"

Perhaps it WAS meant as straightforward question, but the undertone of it was pretty clear, in my mind anyway.

Perhaps Omega just happens to have an unfortunate tendency to ask innocent questions in a somewhat aggressive way?



Aaah...okaayy...you should have read this thread in conjunction with his Advice for a newbie to Thailand thread:

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?18763-Advice-for-a-newbie-to-Thailand

In that earlier thread he introduced himself, gave us some info about his background and told us of his travel plans. In other words, he was providing some context as to where he's coming from and what he's looking for. This thread is a sequel to that thread, and the focus has been narrowed down to Pattaya here because the OP is no longer so sure about visiting Pattaya based on what others had said about it. It seems to me that he started this thread to seek some kind of confirmation as to whether Pattaya would still suit his purposes or might an extended stay in Phuket which offers a "mixed scene" (his words) be more worth his while. He's also seeking information on Chiang Mai and other places. Pretty benign stuff and some of the replies, for eg, from Moses, have been quite helpful.

I'm not so sure I would call his question, "Is there any gay nightlife that doesn't revolve around that symbiotic relationship of selling and buying sex?" "somewhat aggressive". How is it aggressive? Pattaya does have a certain reputation, one which is held up by the responses in his "Advice for a newbie thread."

Some of the responses in the two threads have been misleading. One is "Chiang Mai is less sex-focussed". My friends visiting from Singapore, China, Indonesia and elsewhere have their apps pinging all the time with requests to meet from local guys as well as each other. They get really busy at the saunas. There's plenty of sex to be had in Chiang Mai. Straight friends say the same.

Secondly, I think it was fatwhiterat who said that other visitors are only interested in meeting locals and not fellow tourists. This is total and utter rubbish. This is what's beautiful about the big cities in Thailand. They're social melting pots and party venues that attract gay guys from all over Asia and beyond especially during festivities like Songkran, Christmas and New Year. Their social and sexual interests are not limited to Thai guys and in a party atmosphere, boundaries and preferences tend to become even more fluid.

Thirdly, regardless of what the three witches of Macbeth say, I have not thought much about commercial sex to have a strong opinion about it. I don't think it's "dirty" or "clean". I don't spend my evenings wondering whether the prostitute who gave me that lovely smile has a secret crush on me or only wants me my for my Sg dollar. He smiled at me, I smiled back at him. That's it. I've been to some of the go go bars and they were OK and sometimes fun but I'm in no hurry to go back. It's more of a fun-night-out stopover after dinner to see a sexy show before my friends and I head out elsewhere. Personally, I've found the ordinary Thai guys that I've met in daily life more to my liking than the ones I've seen at the go go bars. It's a matter of taste and preference and that's all there is to it. No need to project your own guilt and insecurities onto others - as the Thais like to say, "Don't think too much!"

[a447]

as the Thais like to say, "Don't think too much!"

Your posts, both here and elsewhere, suggest that you have obviously taken that advice to heart.

So, what do we see here? Now we have sgdad interpreting Omega's posts, not only here but in a different thread. He then goes on to explain Omega's motives.

You guys seem to have a hell of a lot in common. Perhaps you should meet up in Chiang Mai.

But I have a funny feeling you already have.

Lol


only wants me my for my Sg dollar.

No, no! They want you for your Aussie dollar. You told us (albeit, inadvertently) that you were from Australia. Remember? Here:

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?18583-The-Perfect-Off/page4

You wrote:


Prostitution was recently made legal in my country

A quick google search showed that the only English-speaking country where this had happened was Australia! And you are obviously a native speaker of English.

Of course, you realised your mistake and rushed back to change it but you were an hour too late, so you posted this by way of explanation :


Prostitution is legal in my country but solicitation, pimping and running a brothel are not

Not quite the same, is it!

[sglad]

Your posts, both here and elsewhere, suggest that you have obviously taken that advice to heart.



That's funny. :lol: I like it.

I'm going to have dinner with my mates now and later we're going to have heaps of fun out on the town. It's Friday night, mate! Enjoy your frozen dinner with your catalogue companion of the the evening. Later, my Old Sheila.

PS "Mate", "heaps", "Sheila" mean I'm reallllly Australian. More "evidence" for you. ;)

[a447]

Don't waste your time ; you've already supplied ample evidence over two gay forums.

And come on, sgdad. You are supposed to be a student, or have you also forgotten that part of the story?

Haven't you got some study to do? Some assignments to complete? Some reports to write? Some assessments to prepare for?

Judging from the inordinate amount of time you spend on the gay forums, apparently not.

So, you see how hard it is to maintain a lie? You have to be on your toes all the time.

You appear to be flat-footed.

Lol

[dinagam]

How about putting on your tutu and pointe shoes and enthrall us with your perfect pirouettes...