Smoking in Bars

[Mickp]

Having had grown up with a father who smoked since he was 14,passive smoking didnt bother me.
In fact being like my Mother I had never touched a cigarette in my life except on one ocassion when I was in 5th grade at aged 9 I thought I would take a quick puff in the boys toilet but got caught my the strict Mr Orley (wonder where he'd be now?)

Well got 6 of the best across both palms of the hand by the old surly prick and it turned me off smoking for life.

After that I didnt see anything in it for me, however I believed in Smokers Rights and always thought it was much better a person smoke than drink alcohol, meaning the violence that goes with that !


Over the years in bars and public places I always gave Smokers permission to Smoke in front of me and I always thought the Anti Smoking complainers were just whingers who were hypocrites!

I mean people who dont smoke get Lung Cancer too right.

As I start to get older my tolerance to smoking seems to be going way down and I dont mean my personal judgement, I mean my tolerance towards it health wise.

Last year I went to a GO GO in one of the Pattayalands and they had a Show going on.

The place was pratically full except you could squeeze another person next to me.

The Mamasan walked in with a Russian guy and silly me being polite invited him to sit next to me.

He sat next to me without a word of a thankyou pushing his knees out so he would take more space.

Well you can think what he did next without asking, yes he lit up a very very smoky cigarette.

He didnt ask anyone around him but the Mamasan on seeing him light up quickly brought him an ashtray so he held it in frint of him inches from my face.

I thought I would be ok , having had passive smokers around me pratically all my life, so I continued to sit there until it hit me !!

The tickle down the throat, I just went into a coughing fit !!

Boris next to me didnt blink an eye lid as I coughed and coughed and spluttered.

A Norweigan middleaged Gay couple sitting next to me on the other side took pity on me and put his hand firmly on my back in between my shoulder blades and asked if I was ok.

I knew they were from Norway because for some reason out of the blue they told me " We are from Norway" in their thick accents.

Drinking my soft drink I managed to get myself back to just the clearing my throat stage. Ahem ahem ahem i spluttered trying to get my composure back !

For some strange reason i remembered Boris farting out loud and actually wished the minty smell would take over the stringy smoke.

I tried to talk " Who farted? I sqeaked but just couldnt get the words out !

But I couldnt hold the tickle in my throat and I immediately decided to leave passing Boris who was still oblivious to the coughing fit he caused and passing through his smoky smoke waving the smoke out of my way as I left towards the door and cashier.

When I got to the outside my throat was burning and I kept getting that acid reflux

That night I was coughing intermittently and you know how sometimes you know your getting the flu , well thats how I felt.I knew my body was going to be sick the next few days.

Over the next few days my throat was burning along with the flu symptoms, running nose , crackly voice etc unable to talk, coughing up green phlegm etc

That smoky smoke must of really hit my immune system and it was the most smokiest place I had ever been in along with Boris next to me didnt help.

After that I just couldnt tolerate being near the smoke,however I started taking high doses of Vitamin C before and during every trip which I believe did help , along with the garlic and horseradish tablets.

Problem is most beer Bars allow smoking but of Course you do have the option of trying to sit away from smokers unlike Go Go bars where your in the thick of it .

Dont get me wrong , im not against smokers, who am I to judge a smoker saying its bad for my health and there own health, , and then being a hypocrite I go and eat 5 Big Macs !!

I just personally cant tolerate it anymore otherwise I have no problem with smokers.

If I was a smoker I would go outside and smoke rather than put others near me through that.

I must admit though I find Smokers more sociable people , more friendly and willing to have a chat.

Be great to see a non smoking bar somewhere.

[cdnmatt]

Sounds quite traumatic. Probably even more traumatic than going through civil war in Syria as a child, or something.

[frequent]

The amount of damage normal pollution in large cities does every day to someone's lungs is far worse than an hour or two of passive smoking in a bar. However, the world these days revolves around outrage and virtue-signalling rather than an assessment of facts or, as Matt points out, relativities. The next big virtue-signalling push is probably going to be electric cars. Sure, operating an electric car will be environmentally friendly, but manufacturing the batteries for electric cars and then disposing off them certainly isn't. All you petrol car drivers can expect to be berated by the Mick Pavlovs of this world about your anti-social driving habits any time soon

Disclaimer: I don't own a car, haven't driven a car for 20+ years (ever since Skytrain) and believe Bangkok taxis and (worse) tuk-tuks are death traps

[Mickp]

"""the world these days revolves around outrage and virtue-signalling rather than an assessment of facts or, as Matt points out, relativities""""

Must admit I had to look up the meaning of the word "relativities" but how true that statement is.

I think it could be the same with outrage over supermarket plastic bags and the push by some to ban these or greyhound racing ban etc.

Even though I dislike smoking I dont believe in all that "propaganda " that the Health Departments release alleging smoking causes Lung Cancer etc,rotting teeth , etc etc

There are still a lot that dont smoke that get lung Cancer.

[scottish-guy]

....There are still a lot that dont smoke that get lung Cancer.

On a bit of a tangent (look it up Mick) - a disproportionately high number of very heavy smokers keep a dog or dogs (or cats), right?

As heavy smokers are not noted for their ability/penchant to exercise, it therefore follows that these animals are locked up with the heavy smoker maybe 23 hours a day - presumably inhaling the fug of cigarette smoke, right?

So why do we never hear of Lung Cancer induced by "passive smoking" killing millions of cats and dogs?

Just asking.

[Smiles]

Quote from an un-named troll ... oops, sorry, I meant idiot:
"There are still a lot that dont smoke that get lung Cancer."
Percent of folks who develop lung cancer and are/were smokers: 80% (look it up, it's all over the www -- but you knew that, right?)

[frequent]

Percent of folks who develop lung cancer and are/were smokers: 80% You're not, presumably, asserting the inverse, that 80% of smokers/former smokers develop lung cancer https://www.verywell.com/what-percentage-of-smokers-get-lung-cancer-2248868 - "(look it up, it's all over the www -- but you knew that, right?)"

[scottish-guy]

Lots of mixed numbers in your link, Frequent - but if you follow the secondary links in the article it does come very close to that 80% figure (80-90% is cited)



I notice however that no-one so far is able to answer my question - where are all these dog and cat lung cancer passive smoking victims?

[Smiles]

I notice however that no-one so far is able to answer my question - where are all these dog and cat lung cancer passive smoking victims?Stronger immune systems? Dogs do in fact lick each others assholes ... and live to tell, (and yes ... they don't shower before licking, unlike the boys here).
I cannot, will not, go deeply into the outrage of dogs-eating-each-others-shit as I am far to sensitive to go on at length about such an abomination. I think the Greeks did this, but will not investigate further.

[bkkguy]

I notice however that no-one so far is able to answer my question - where are all these dog and cat lung cancer passive smoking victims?

there have been a number of studies over the last 20 years showing an increased risk of lung and other cancers in dogs and cats exposed to environmental tobacco smoke reported both in the journals and the popular press - if you are too lazy to do the google search yourself why should anyone else bother to do it for you?

bkkguy

[justaguy]

Yet the evidence that "passive smoking" causes long cancer for the passive smoker is hardly overwhelming. I wish people stop interfering and minding their own fucking business.

Nothing worse than people whinging about smoking.

In Bangkok it is particularly stupid, it's not the smoke that will kill you, it's the excessive pollution caused by cars, bikes and busses.

[christianpfc]

Don't feed the troll, but I can't resist.
We have been through this many times since I joined the forums in 2009.


So why do we never hear of Lung Cancer induced by "passive smoking" killing millions of cats and dogs?

Just asking.
When the cat or dog dies, there is less fuss about the reason. Maybe they react differently (less sensitive) to the carcinogenic compounds in tobacco smoke.

Even among humans, sensitivities to chemical compounds are different. At the same blood alcohol level, one person is in coma, and another still appears sober. And for different species, sensitivities can surely vary factor 100. I have once read about a certain chemical substance [citation needed], an amount that does no harm to a dog will kill a horse.

Edit after reading following post: with troll, I'm referring to mickp.

[newalaan2]

Don't feed the troll, but I can't resist.
We have been through this many times since I joined the forums in 2009.
Again not sure if the troll you are feeding is the OP mickp or the member you quoted, Scottish-guy.......but for once you are correct on both counts.

[arsenal]

The 'smoking in bars' posts normally descend into arguments about legal this verses legal that and freedom of choice etc. So, it's a welcome change to see this one descend into an argument about not only carcinogens but their effect on pets. Only on SGT, your one stop shop for all subjects and info.

[christianpfc]

mickp. I can assure you, scottish-guy is real.

[scottish-guy]

I accept what ChristianPFC says but I don't think it's a full explanation.

Can't help thinking that the extremely vociferous animal rights lobby would be all over it if millions of cats and dogs were being poisoned to death by passive smoking - yet we hear nothing despite the fact that the exposure simply must be happenning on a very regular basis.

Which makes me wonder about the whole passive smoking malarkey.

[cdnmatt]

But by that logic, shouldn't coal miners never get black lung?

I smoke myself, and without question there's a massive difference depending on whether I smoke inside or outside. If I force myself to smoke outside, within a couple days I notice a huge difference -- lungs are lighter, clearer, etc.

[scottish-guy]

Exactly - you have the choice and feel the benefit if you choose smoke outside rather than inside.

I'm talking about domestic animals which in the situations I am pointing to are mainly kept indoors by heavy smokers and therefore subjected to intensive passive smoking.

Unlike you, the dog or cat cannot choose to mitigate the effects of cigarette smoke by nipping outside for fresh air.

They are cooped up with the smoking owner - yet nobody ever says "My dog died of lung cancer" or "My dog coughs his guts up every morning"

It intrigues me and I cannot think of a plausible explanation - unless the whole passive smoking malarkey is one big hoax

[justaguy]

Who gives a flying fuck about the effect of smoking on animals ? Utter bullshit. Those animals survive just fine, as they don't whinge like those humans do...

[Mickp]

mickp. I can assure you, scottish-guy is real.

Oh ok when I arrive next month I will meet you personally Christian
And I will take you out to dinner

Thats my promise


Then again you can always jump on a plane and spend 20,000 baht and come here to me here sweetheart

Im sure the moderator can confirm where I am

In fact I tell you what I will do Christian

If you come to Sydney I will give you free accomodation in one of my apartments for up to 7 days, its actually 3 minute walk from Thaitown , 3 minute walk to the biggest Gay areas, pratically in the heart of the City.
Fully furnished usually goes on Airbnb for over a $130-160 a night deprnding on whats happening but yours free!


Thats my word, hold me to it .

But you must do it before end of October this year but as always you wont because you like to look for a problem just for the sake of it.



If not I will meet you in Thailand


You are going to turn up now sweetheart arent you?

[scottish-guy]

Who gives a flying fuck about the effect of smoking on animals ? Utter bullshit. Those animals survive just fine, as they don't whinge like those humans do...


Great to get a well thought-out, evidence based response

[cdnmatt]

*shrug*

I don't really know, but I can confirm dogs would prefer A/C with second hand smoke over no A/C and no second hand smoke. I generally smoke in the en-suite bathroom of my bedroom, and the dogs hang out here most of the day, because they like the A/C. If it irritated them, they could just as easily hang out in the yard or in the office with Leo, or the kitchen, or where ever. And the only times they seem to cought, gag or get sick is when they do something brilliant like eat a frog, snake, or bird they found in the yard.

[arsenal]

Oi Mickyboy. If second hand smoke is such a huge problem for you perhaps you could spend your next holiday here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-40623320

[frequent]

I'm talking about domestic animals which in the situations I am pointing to are mainly kept indoors by heavy smokers and therefore subjected to intensive passive smoking.A heavy-smoking friend who lives in Dundee has recently acquired a Scottish Terrier that he's calling "Nicola"

[arsenal]

I think a poodle called Jean-Claude would be an appropriate pooch for ol' Nickypoos.

[scottish-guy]

Oi Mickyboy. If second hand smoke is such a huge problem for you perhaps you could spend your next holiday here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-40623320

Good spot!

Prison could be ideal for Mick The Dick as I rather suspect his self-declared penchant for "dressing up as a schoolgirl" would make him very popular with the inmates.

Such a pity that he is far too old for the Young Offenders wing though

[frequent]

Such a pity that he is far too old for the Young Offenders wing thoughI'd have thought that's true of most posters, a notion that makes me laugh with derision every time I see some old sex tourist here venting over some minor infraction by another member ("telling lies" seems to be the latest) while at the same time boasting of their exploits with prostitutes (in a country not their own) young enough to be their grandchildren (or, in bobsaigon2's case, great-grandchildren)

[Mickp]

I would love to go that Scottish prison..but I would need an interpreter !

One good thing ..they already wear those sexy tight tartan skirts ...

I wonder if they would call me Lassie?

[frequent]

I wonder if they would call me Lassie?Only if you adopt the "doggy" position. However, they're more likely to call you "Jessie (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_Scottish_slang_and_jargon#J)"

[scottish-guy]

I wonder if they would call me Lassie?

Are you that much of a dog?

:D

[christianpfc]

Oh ok when I arrive next month I will meet you personally Christian
And I will take you out to dinner. Thats my promise

In fact I tell you what I will do Christian
If you come to Sydney I will give you free accomodation in one of my apartments for up to 7 days, its actually 3 minute walk from Thaitown , 3 minute walk to the biggest Gay areas, pratically in the heart of the City.
Fully furnished usually goes on Airbnb for over a $130-160 a night deprnding on whats happening but yours free!
Thats my word, hold me to it .
But you must do it before end of October this year but as always you wont because you like to look for a problem just for the sake of it.

If not I will meet you in Thailand
You are going to turn up now sweetheart arent you?
Invitation accepted.

I have no travel plans to Australia. Even with free accommodation, I wouldn't like the long flight.

See you then (August 2017 in Thailand, more specific Bangkok or Pattaya, I won't go to the provinces to meet you).

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Invitation accepted.

I have no travel plans to Australia. Even with free accommodation, I wouldn't like the long flight.

See you then (August 2017 in Thailand, more specific Bangkok or Pattaya, I won't go to the provinces to meet you).

I wouldn't be going to too much of an effort to keep my diary free for August, Christian...

Still, it will be amusing to hear the excuse for this one...Mickp will have a sudden desire to spend his entire holiday in Udon Thani next month perhaps?

[justaguy]

Great to get a well thought-out, evidence based response

Hmm, do I need to take this serious. A ridiculous discussion about the effect of passive smoking on animals, justifies the response I have posted. Nothing more and nothing less. What's next ? A shrink for those animals. Get out of here.

[Mickp]

I wouldn't be going to too much of an effort to keep my diary free for August, Christian...

Still, it will be amusing to hear the excuse for this one...Mickp will have a sudden desire to spend his entire holiday in Udon Thani next month perhaps?

Ronan dear, I see you have sent me a friend request sweetheart, no dear the offer is not open to you.Sorry

As I cant seem to delete that friend request from my end please do it from your end otherwise I get the message staying in my notifications and is bloody annoying so can you delete the request thankyou !

[Mickp]

Invitation accepted.

I have no travel plans to Australia. Even with free accommodation, I wouldn't like the long flight.

See you then (August 2017 in Thailand, more specific Bangkok or Pattaya, I won't go to the provinces to meet you).

Sydney is only 8 hours away ! Hardly a long flight !

But im sure we will meet and after you finish being on your knees and apologising to me I might think about shouting you to dinner somewhere nice sweetheart.
And I only eat in nice places so dress nice

[arsenal]

Dinner with Mickyboy! Please form an orderly queue gentlemen.

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Ronan dear, I see you have sent me a friend request sweetheart, no dear the offer is not open to you.Sorry

As I cant seem to delete that friend request from my end please do it from your end otherwise I get the message staying in my notifications and is bloody annoying so can you delete the request thankyou !

So it is gets on your nerves does it?

That is very upsetting to me.

[FarangRuMak]

Given that most topics go through the Chinese Whispers wringer can I go tangentally on theme by telling you that my straight friends tell me that the ladies regularly pull down their shorts and underwear and administer blow jobs right there in the beer bars.
If we endured smoking like this in our beer bars we would have to recover in the cook house.

[scottish-guy]

Hmm, do I need to take this serious. A ridiculous discussion about the effect of passive smoking on animals, justifies the response I have posted. Nothing more and nothing less. What's next ? A shrink for those animals. Get out of here.

Congratulations on completely missing the point - the "ridiculous discussion" I started was actually nothing to do with having any concern over the "effect of passive smoking on animals" but questioning why in fact there appears to be none!

[cdnmatt]

The real question is, why isn't there a government run socialized health care system for dogs and cats?

[scottish-guy]

Generally speaking, dogs and cats don't vote or pay taxes at any point in their lives?

[bobsaigon2]

Surely Matt was jesting. Surely?

[justaguy]

Congratulations on completely missing the point - the "ridiculous discussion" I started was actually nothing to do with having any concern over the "effect of passive smoking on animals" but questioning why in fact there appears to be none!

That still does not explain the need for the discussion. Again who cares whether or not it has any effect, it is totally inconsequential. That IS my point, which you seem to have missed...

[sydneyboy]

I haven't been on this forum for a while but it depressing when a person starts a thread making in my opinion a very legitimate point and it side tracked by a lot of rubbish about dogs and cats. A pity.

[frequent]

I haven't been on this forum for a while but it depressing when a person starts a thread making in my opinion a very legitimate point and it side tracked by a lot of rubbish about dogs and cats. A pity.It's called "entropy (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/entropy)" (see the fourth meaning listed)

[scottish-guy]

I haven't been on this forum for a while but it depressing when a person starts a thread making in my opinion a very legitimate point and it side tracked by a lot of rubbish about dogs and cats. A pity.

Actually what's "depressing" and "a pity" is when pea-brained cretins come along who can't see that the "rubbish" about "dogs and cats" is entirely on-topic.

The topic, as set by the OP, quite obviously being passive smoking