The future of Sunee

[Mickp]

Last time I was in Sunee early last year it was completely dead.
Im not exaggerating when I said I was only part of a handful of farangs there too.

According to reports it has not got better with even more bars closing.

Of course I loved it years ago when it was busy and there were many boys but times change and I have to accept that.

I guess the pedophile raids in the mid 2000's started the nail in the coffin but rightly so I guess,then came along that GFC then good bars such as Mikes closed etc

It seems Jomtien Complex is the Gay area nowadays although it just doesnt give me that buzz that Sunee did.
Jomtien to me is just too clean, too sterile is the word I guess im looking for and im told no GO GO Bars allowed.

Sunee Plaza had that character, that Thailand look so to speak with street carts ,food vendors,dark feel , with bright lights etc.

Years later there started to be the emergence of Middle Eastern bars and smoke shops but it seems they too have moved on.
For those that live near there what do you think will happen with Sunee Plaza ?

[bobsaigon2]

The Pattaya boy bars, with a few notable exceptions, have often been owned or run by people without the skills to create enterprises that maintain customer support/interest. Sunee and to some extent Boyztown are moribund. I cannot imagine entrepreneurs with money and talent investing in new bars, or resurrecting those that have closed. The sleaze of Sunee and the glitz of Boyztown have become quaint anachronisms. The genteel face of Jomtien Complex is the new look of commercial sex in Pattaya. For a while. A few years from now we may be mourning the passing of that venue also. IMHO.

[FarangRuMak]

The ban on Go-Go bars in Jomtien Complex might eventually go.
It was the policy of the Complex holding company not to allow them.
Now this company's teeth have been pulled in that they have sold what I would estimate to be > half the units into private ownership.
Of course City Hall and the BIB would have to come on side as well.
We might even see a casino there in the future.
The large car park building was bought in anticipation of such an eventuality.

[Mickp]

With respect i guess many of the customers have passed away over the years.
I remember as far back as 15 years ago many of the customers were in their 70's then .

[Mickp]

Bob funny how you say about the mourning of gay areas , remember the once Gay area of the Day Night.

[gerefan2]

As far as Sunee Plaza goes remember the saying...
" the party isn't over but the host is beginning to think about the washing up"

[AsDaRa]

With respect i guess many of the customers have passed away over the years.
I remember as far back as 15 years ago many of the customers were in their 70's then .

I think also here lies the explanation. Sex tourism is not popular with the new generation of gays and I think the reason is financial. My generation is the first generation in the West who has it financially less than the previous one since at least 200 years. Many people with a normal job have a salary which is almost equal to their monthly spendings, hardly anything left to save for a sex tourism holiday.

Another reason will be that gays have thanks to the Internet more options to find a sex partner. But I doubt this plays a big role in the explanation. Because in the West if you are 40+ it becomes not easy to find a willing 20 year old boy. And prostitution is expensive here. So if you are 50 and you want a 20 year old, you need to become a sex tourist if you want to pay a reasonable price. So the fact we do not currently see many new 40, 50 year olds in Pattaya must be financial, because I am sure the demand is there when you reach that age. So there is demand. There just isn't any money.

[arsenal]

Most of the bars never made much money, even when Sunee was buzzing. But, there was an endless stream of new owners to take over, most were basically on a two or three year break from their normal lives. Lives that they then returned to having realised that the grass in not greener in Thailand. However, with the crash and fear stalking almost the entire financial world, that stream has dried up or else moved to Jomtien where I suspect rents are cheaper. Sooner or later go go bars will arrive there too. There was one, owned by the late lamented Monty and I think it lasted for about a year. Like most of his ventures. Haha. RIP Monty.

[goji]

So the fact we do not currently see many new 40, 50 year olds in Pattaya must be financial, because I am sure the demand is there when you reach that age. So there is demand. There just isn't any money.

Are you sure there is a decline in 40~50 year olds in Pattaya ?

Overall tourist numbers to Thailand keep going up. Maybe the numbers in the gay bars decrease, but how do you know they are not just using Grindr ? For example, gay cruising seems to be declining. That's not due to money, it's due to the internet.

However, I suspect as you say, money is keeping SOME of the western tourists away.
However, when the internet offers a much cheaper way to date AND the bars keep pushing prices up, of course trade is going to move online. Don't under estimate that factor.

If money has been a factor, I don't expect to see it getting any better soon. The US dollar has had a good run over the last few years & this might continue for a year or 2 as they lead the round of interest rate rises. However, it's bound to ebb the other way at some time.

In the UK, the younger generations seem to graduate with more debt and it costs a lot more to buy property. Also in the last 10 years, the exchange rate has gone from about 66 down to 44, so no doubt some of the more financially stretched Brits have been priced out.

I suppose other EU trade might hold up for as long as the current economic recovery holds up.

[FarangRuMak]

Most of the bars never made much money, even when Sunee was buzzing. But, there was an endless stream of new owners to take over, most were basically on a two or three year break from their normal lives. Lives that they then returned to having realised that the grass in not greener in Thailand. However, with the crash and fear stalking almost the entire financial world, that stream has dried up or else moved to Jomtien where I suspect rents are cheaper. Sooner or later go go bars will arrive there too. There was one, owned by the late lamented Monty and I think it lasted for about a year. Like most of his ventures. Haha. RIP Monty.
Yes RIP Monty.
I have visited his grave in the grounds of Watt Yan, the Chinese Temple on Sukumvit Road as you go towards Bang Saray. Grave number 42.
Bring a small glass of Scotch & Coke if you decide to go.

[Mickp]

Grindr and other apps have meant many dont have to travel overseas as much.
A relatively attractive 55yo can still pull in younger guys on Grindr in his own Country along with Saunas etc.

Also paying for sex for the under 40 Generation is going out of fashion.

[frequent]

Overall tourist numbers to Thailand keep going up.Chinese tour parties for the most part

[frequent]

Sex tourism is not popular with the new generation of gays and I think the reason is financial.I think the reason is political correctness. In a world where everyone shares their entire life on Facebook, who's going to admit they're a sex tourist?

[AsDaRa]

I think the reason is political correctness. In a world where everyone shares their entire life on Facebook, who's going to admit they're a sex tourist?

Didn't think about that. It is of course a telling sign when someone travels 2 times a year to Thailand. And each holiday the photos on your Facebook page are of the same temple and beach in Pattaya.
I mean that gives a big clue to your Facebook friends why you are in Thailand.

And if you do not post any new stories during your holiday that is also a telling sign.

I think you are onto something!

[FarangRuMak]

One of the biggest covers of all is "Golfing" trips by the straight husbands whose wives are conveniently left behind.
I've heard about the one and only trip to the golf course where photos are taken of the "Lads" in different positions and sporting different golfing apparel.
I remember seeing a movie on this theme years ago.
But I know for a fact that it happens for real- especially in Pattaya.
How/why do the wives buy it?
Perhaps they go on cultural-diversity courses to
places like Jamaica at the same time.

[scottish-guy]

...In a world where everyone shares their entire life on Facebook...

NOT everyone let me assure you.

I have no Facebook presence whatsoever (which before anybody else says it, is probably a mercy for the rest of Facebook)

:D

[FarangRuMak]

NOT everyone let me assure you.

I have no Facebook presence whatsoever (which before anybody else says it, is probably a mercy for the rest of Facebook)

:D
I'm off grid also in terms of FB and most of that social media but no matter how you try to avoid it other people will drag you on to it and in to it at every opportunity.
I mean when the dinner that's about to be eaten is worthy of circulation nothing is excluded.
The default judgement now is in the negative ie you have to explain yourself as to why you're NOT on FB.

[arsenal]

I think some of the above answers are bollocks, with all due respect, All my friends know why I go to Thailand and when I return the 'quality of the boys' available is as much a part of the chat as any new restaurants, the hotel etc etc. If your friends are judging you poorly because you enjoy sex as part of your leisure time then get better friends. My circle aren't for the most part gay, they're married with kids and perhaps, just a teensy weensy bit jealous of my freewheelin' ways. Haha.

[Mickp]

I'm off grid also in terms of FB and most of that social media but no matter how you try to avoid it other people will drag you on to it and in to it at every opportunity.
I mean when the dinner that's about to be eaten is worthy of circulation nothing is excluded.
The default judgement now is in the negative ie you have to explain yourself as to why you're NOT on FB.

Your right LOL especially to the younger crowd ! :))

[frequent]

The default judgement now is in the negative ie you have to explain yourself as to why you're NOT on FB.I give a perfectly straightforward answer to that which shuts everyone up - "I'm an adult"

[gerefan2]

Just to get back on track ...the future of Sunee Plaza.
IMHO until the Arabs move along (unlikely) gay visitors will be intimidated to such a degree that the future of the Plaza is seriously in doubt.
See the threads on Gaybutton and Gaythailand about their behaviour in Soi Yensabai and Soi 17...motor bike driving.

[Mickp]

Just to get back on track ...the future of Sunee Plaza.
IMHO until the Arabs move along (unlikely) gay visitors will be intimidated to such a degree that the future of the Plaza is seriously in doubt.
See the threads on Gaybutton and Gaythailand about their behaviour in Soi Yensabai and Soi 17...motor bike driving.


A bit racist isnt it and a bit over the top !
Certainly catastraphsing the situation.
"Intimidated" ? I doubt it

Im more concerned with those drunken caucasians when walking back to the room or in a baht bus with a boy than Arabs !

What are the ages of the Arabs you see in Sunee?

[frequent]

A bit racist isnt it and a bit over the top !
Certainly catastraphsing the situation.
"Intimidated" ? I doubt it
He did say that it was his opinion and as you know, opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one and they are mostly about shit

[Oliver]

"Intimidated"? there have been some crazy things said on the forums lately but that, I promise you, is the most bizarre. People who don't like foreigners, or are frightened of them, should take their holidays in their own countries. Too many Chinese, to many Russians, too many Arabs....and, no doubt, too many Thais apart from those who are available for sex.
By the way, the decline of Sunee was exacerbated when the shish cafes were closed. They gave colour and a sense of life to a decaying, darkened environment . One of the ways Sunee could be improved is to re-open them and bring back the Arab and Iranian guys who patronised them. They never took the slightest interest in those of us who enjoyed a walk to Sunee at night.

[NitNoi]

A few years ago, young men of "middle Eastern appearance" racing around on big bikes around Two Guys were dangerous but it wasn't so bad on recent trips.

[arsenal]

Several topics have merged here and need untangling. It undoubtedly is the Middle Easterners who dive the bikes with total disregard for anyone else and they are, to a man pieces of shit. However apart from that I have never had any problems with them and certainly can not be intimidated by them, even in the lift of my hotel when I have a boy with me. The Thais too often ride in a dangerous way, especially the taxi bikes who I am convinced have bets going on how long the journey will take and thus ride so dangerously. As I've said before, get a good few restaurants, a few food bars, a few good go go bars and a few shisha bars in Sunee and it's not dying any more. It's THE place to hang out.

[Moses]

As I've said before, get a good few restaurants, a few food bars, a few good go go bars and a few shisha bars in Sunee and it's not dying any more. It's THE place to hang out.

the question is: where to find 4-5 hundreds of customers daily for "a good few restaurants, a few food bars, a few good go go bars and a few shisha bars"?

[scottish-guy]

I think Arsenal's point is that the opening of such businesses would attract the customers.

[arsenal]

Moses: If you build it, they will come. The philosophy that has taken us out of trees and into 1km high skyscrapers.

[Moses]

I think Arsenal's point is that the opening of such businesses would attract the customers.

No. Unless they will make some alliance and will make huge promo and it will cost huge money what no one of them can't afford alone.

[arsenal]

Word of mouth is always the best form of advertising. The old Sunee had no alliance nor huge promo and that was often full to bursting. The world demographic today is that business need to appeal to a range of customers, not just one kind as in the past. BBB appeals to almost everyone and that's usually standing room only.

[Manforallseasons]

The influx of Arabs in the area surrounding Sunee is rather unappealing however, the dead carcass of Sunee had been rotting before they came en mas, as to the future of the plaza simply there is none.

[FarangRuMak]

MFAS has a fetish for the death of Sunnee or a deathwish associated with a fetish for Sunnee or something like that.
It's a bit like having a beloved but lingering granny whose death will be lamented but will bring blessed relief at the same time or something like that.
The old Gal conjures up blissful memories which can never be recreated and having her around is a daily reminder of this sad fact so better she kick the bucket and be done with it.

[arsenal]

I would be interested to know how Sunee came about in the first place. Did it mushroom into a gay area quickly or was it a slow process? What was there before? Which was the first gay venue there? etc.

[Oliver]

I cannot provide an answer to Arsenal's query but I was a regular to Pattaya in the late 90s when Sunee was first developed. I'd tried a gogo bar there in 1996 or 1997 when there was no other gay venue in sight- Crazy Dragon? It was empty , apart from some bored and listless guys waiting to dance to empty seats. To be blunt, I forgot all about it; in those days, I was happy to pass my time in the Boyztown bars.
The next I heard of Sunee was via a flyer handed out to the beached whales (and me) sitting on the gay Jomtien beach. It encouraged me to take a look and I remember a go go bar called Nok but not much else. Sunee's notoriety somehow passed me by.... I didn't have the impression that its Thai workers were any different to those in Boyztown. It was just cheaper and less glitzy. And had more host bars than gogo bars.
So , I assume that Sunee became gay around 1998 when those flyers were being distributed....but am willing to be corrected. I'd be interested to learn of the process by which this happened. I must try to find my Micaael Burchill book on the origins of Boyztown; he may be able to provide answers.

[Manforallseasons]

My recollection is Krazy dragon in the beginning, across from it was Hotel California...not much else. Rents were cheap and Thais that had a smattering of gay bars in areas other than Boytown began to flock to the Plaza as time went on falangs other than Peter of Krazy began to open places such as Nok Nok, Top Man and so many others...it had a reputation for an anything goes place and it lived up to its rep. There was no such thing as set closing hours bars stayed open till customers left..the police were often in the bars on their breaks for coffee.

[francois]

I would be interested to know how Sunee came about in the first place. Did it mushroom into a gay area quickly or was it a slow process? What was there before? Which was the first gay venue there? etc.

All I know is that Sunee was in full-swing as of January 2000. There was even a Y2K go-go in that area.

[Mickp]

Yes Michael Burchill of Top Man Go Go fame wrote s history book.
Not sure if there are still copies about?
And I forget the name.

Not even sure Michael is still with us but I use to love the Top Man Go Go back in its heyday

[Mickp]

I think Sunee started dying out back in the early 00's when the police rightly closed the Pedo bars.


The one opposite the pool was the most notorious and shocking I had ever been in.
I wont mention the ages of the boys but I think you get my drift.

Good riddance to them and those customers !

[Manforallseasons]

I think Sunee started dying out back in the early 00's when the police rightly closed the Pedo bars.


The one opposite the pool was the most notorious and shocking I had ever been in.
I wont mention the ages of the boys but I think you get my drift.

Good riddance to them and those customers !

The place you are referring to was called "Amigo".

[Manforallseasons]

Yes Michael Burchill of Top Man Go Go fame wrote s history book.
Not sure if there are still copies about?
And I forget the name.

Not even sure Michael is still with us but I use to love the Top Man Go Go back in its heyday


Michael better known as the evil witch Veronica has met her maker.

[Mickp]

Michael better known as the evil witch Veronica has met her maker.

Lol , why Veronica?

I didnt know he had died, I recall hm going back to the UK years ago because h e needed treatment but I recall him coming back for a holiday not long after . RIP

[Mickp]

The place you are referring to was called "Amigo".


Yes Amigo.

Ironically when I went into this bar I recall it being packed with punters who had boys on each of their knees nursing a drink.Yes please say that last line again and you will get my drift about this bar.

Raids by Police over that time seen mamy many of these punters either move onto other More Pedo friendly Countries or stop coming to Thailand.

In the last couple of years a lot of the barowners have passed a way too

[Manforallseasons]

Lol , why Veronica?

I didnt know he had died, I recall hm going back to the UK years ago because h e needed treatment but I recall him coming back for a holiday not long after . RIP

Maybe not so...I met someone today who claims that Micheal is in fact still with us.

[FarangRuMak]

Somebody take away the spades.

[BOY69]

Yes Amigo.

Ironically when I went into this bar I recall it being packed with punters who had boys on each of their knees nursing a drink.Yes please say that last line again and you will get my drift about this bar.

Raids by Police over that time seen mamy many of these punters either move onto other More Pedo friendly Countries or stop coming to Thailand.

In the last couple of years a lot of the barowners have passed a way too

Yes Amigo was known for its young boys, very young boys some of them were underage, Sunee was a heaven for pedophiles, the police/army raids in the last years "cleaned" Sunee plaza this is the main reason why it's completely dead now.

[scottish-guy]

Funny how these "notorious pedo-friendly" bars were allegedly always "packed" despite everybody who ever expresses an opinion allegedly being "disgusted" and having never set foot in them - except "by mistake" of course.

Quite how these "mistakes" occurred is itself a bit of a mystery since the very same "disgusted" people all seem to have known (and can recall more than 20yrs later) the exact names and locations of every one of these dens of iniquity.

It reminds me of the Benny Hill line - "I was shocked and disgusted... it was like Sodom and Gomorrah....I had to go six nights running to make sure"

[geneman]

Lol , why Veronica?

I didnt know he had died, I recall hm going back to the UK years ago because h e needed treatment but I recall him coming back for a holiday not long after . RIP

Sorry to disappoint you but I am very much still alive! I survived prostate cancer two years ago and recently after a fall had to have a hip replaced plus my COPD gets worse. Apart from these I am ok. Veronica was a name given me at golf by the late Robert Chappell many years ago.

[BOY69]

Funny how these "notorious pedo-friendly" bars were allegedly always "packed" despite everybody who ever expresses an opinion allegedly being "disgusted" and having never set foot in them - except "by mistake" of course.

Quite how these "mistakes" occurred is itself a bit of a mystery since the very same "disgusted" people all seem to have known (and can recall more than 20yrs later) the exact names and locations of every one of these dens of iniquity.

It reminds me of the Benny Hill line - "I was shocked and disgusted... it was like Sodom and Gomorrah....I had to go six nights running to make sure"

Without beeing hypocrite it was fun at Sunee Plaza in the past,colorful and vibrant atmshopher,It's true that there were some underage boys but the majority were legal boys and if you looked for attractive 18-21 y.o. boys this was the ultimative place to find them .at the glory days of Sunee Plaza it was better and much cheaper than Boyz Town.

[Mickp]

Sorry to disappoint you but I am very much still alive! I survived prostate cancer two years ago and recently after a fall had to have a hip replaced plus my COPD gets worse. Apart from these I am ok. Veronica was a name given me at golf by the late Robert Chappell many years ago.

Hi Michael,
Im so glad your still with us !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to hear about your health.

Did you ever go back to Thailand ?

What was the name of the book you wrote about the history of Sunee ?

[Manforallseasons]

Sorry to disappoint you but I am very much still alive! I survived prostate cancer two years ago and recently after a fall had to have a hip replaced plus my COPD gets worse. Apart from these I am ok. Veronica was a name given me at golf by the late Robert Chappell many years ago.

Robert Chappell did in fact die a month ago at Bangkok Pattaya hospital.

[Phred]

Manforallseasons wrote”
“Originally Posted by geneman
…Veronica was a name given me at golf by the late Robert Chappell many years ago.”

“Robert Chappell did in fact die a month ago at Bangkok Pattaya hospital.”

Very sad news about Robert Chappell. I had many enjoyable rounds of golf and many more enjoyable evenings with him. Robert was a fixture 3 nights a week sitting at that round bar at the same table every night with a bottle, set up and ever-present cigarette. He was an old curmudgeon but fun to be with and had many friends. I saw him just six months ago and he said he had just turned 80 and was hoping to see him again next time. He will be missed. RIP

[geneman]

The last time I was back was April last year; very unhappy time as my partner died three days after my return. Do not expect to be visiting Thailand again. My book was entitled "Boyztown 1982-2006". I believe it is very scarce as many copies were turned out of storage and destroyed - or so I have been told!

[Oliver]

A pity....it's a good read. I'm keeping mine. The list of all (well, nearly all) the gay bars that have ever been in Pattaya is interesting, too and the accounts of the very early years of Boyztown revealing. Who knows? I may be able to sell my copy in a few years!

[Mickp]

Geneman , I used to love your Topman Go Go and was that your Mamasan the guy with the black glasses .?, he was such a nice guy too.

Mind you im going back some years now must be early 2ooo's

I wish the old times would come back but at the same time I know we need to move on:music_mini:

I hope things turn better for you Michael.:heart:

[geneman]

Thank you Mickp and Oliver for your kind comments.
The best days in Pattaya were the late 80s and early 90s when Boyztown still had a village atmosphere despite the commercial aspect.
Sunee too was like a small village but had too many problems with youngsters and drugs. The expansion of on-line meeting opportunities has killed off many bars and the customers too have changed. Although Thailand is still a wonderful country, for me, and I suspect many other aging gays, Gay Thailand has lost the sparkle it once had. We enjoyed the best years with the best customers and boys; it is sadly very different nowadays. My memories of the "good old days" will never fade.

[Oliver]

Agreed...hence the value of your book.

[sglad]

Although Thailand is still a wonderful country, for me, and I suspect many other aging gays, Gay Thailand has lost the sparkle it once had. We enjoyed the best years with the best customers and boys; it is sadly very different nowadays. My memories of the "good old days" will never fade.

That's a nice quote. :heart: Wish I could have been there.

[sglad]

The last time I was back was April last year; very unhappy time as my partner died three days after my return. Do not expect to be visiting Thailand again. My book was entitled "Boyztown 1982-2006". I believe it is very scarce as many copies were turned out of storage and destroyed - or so I have been told!

Why not scan and post it online?

[Mickp]

Sglad great idea !

Can he put it on like a E book site ? Is that what you u mean ?

[sglad]

"Geneman". Are you a geneticist or genealogist by any chance? You must be very clever.

[sglad]

Sglad great idea !

Can he put it on like a E book site ? Is that what you u mean ?

Yeah, or maybe convert it into a PDF which will come up on search which we can then download.

[Mickp]

Yeah great idea , I guess Geneman may not be able to do it though.

But its a great idea and I hope he can get someone to help him do that.

Im sure even a lot if us are willing to pay for the E book !!

[Smiles]

FYI: Here's an interesting Spartacus map of the Pattaya gay scene circa 1991. Pretty well ALL the gay venues in the north end of Beach Rd have gone ~ probably all in fact. Sunnee area shows nothing happening.

(With thanks, this image was originally posted by Ronan the Barbarian in an older post back in 2014. https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?16385-Gay-Pattaya-in-the-1980s ).

http://i67.tinypic.com/qzelo1.jpg

[Mickp]

Didnt you have maps on your old forum Smiles?

I remember them , didnt Alan have some sort of a history book written?
I may be wrong , im going back some years .

Way before you retired in 2007

[geneman]

I am a genealogist! Not so clever but I have published a number of books over the years.
Unfortunately I do not have the know how to put "Boyztown" on line but I agree it would be a good idea considering how few copies appear to have survived.

[RonanTheBarbarian]

I am a genealogist! Not so clever but I have published a number of books over the years.
Unfortunately I do not have the know how to put "Boyztown" on line but I agree it would be a good idea considering how few copies appear to have survived.


Glad to hear that you are still alive, Michael. Really enjoyed reading your book when it came out, although the history described was all before my time (first went to Pattaya at the end of the period, in 2006).

[beachruver]

I dropped into Pattaya last year for the first time in a long time and ended up visiting Boyztown, Sunee, Jomtien and NAB and another local nightclub I know not the name all in the space of 4 nights.

Boystown packed like crazy and good diverse demographic of young and old.

Friend wanted to go to Sunee Plaza. It looked like a deserted back alley. Quiet. =Definitely died down since I was last there a few years ago. Days are numbered I reckon. High time a developer came along and found better use for the land.

NAB was doing well.

Jomtien seems pretty happening.


in the West if you are 40+ it becomes not easy to find a willing 20 year old boy.
Interesting you say that... I have plenty of 40+ and even 50+ mates and they have boys in their 20s lining up for them. Lots of younger Asians are into the whole Daddy thing. There are even DILF (Dad I'd like to fuck) events.

Depends if you've got the personality and the looks.


Overall tourist numbers to Thailand keep going up.

Especially gay tourists... Bangkok is the gay capital of Asia, even more so now. Millions of gay guys going there for weekends, holidays and circuit parties. Only a small percentage go to Pattaya though.

[scottish-guy]

"Geneman". Are you a geneticist or genealogist by any chance? You must be very clever.

Or maybe he's a fan of Gene Wilder and has a large Gene Autry record collection

:drink:

[francois]

Friend wanted to go to Sunee Plaza. It looked like a deserted back alley. Quiet. =Definitely died down since I was last there a few years ago. Days are numbered I reckon. High time a developer came along and found better use for the land.



I think there is no better use for Sunee than its present use, as quiet as it may be.

[loke]

How many bars and go go are still open in Sunnee ?

[francois]

Enough to have a good time.

[Timelord]

I think on my last vist this year there was 13 bars and 4 GoGo but I'll check in a weeks time :yahoo_mini:

[Mickp]

The former Krazy Dragon now deserted .....5438and up for Rent

[Mickp]

Im glad that The ALL of ME Bar closed , the waiter did nothing but push drinks there .

Worst bar in Sunee and the customers voted with their feet !

[Mickp]

Good riddance to that ALL of Me " bar .......:D

Oh i know your reading this BH

[joe552]

All of Me was my favourite bar in Sunee. I'm glad to think we're unlikely to be in the same bar together, Mick

[Newbie99]

Sunee was a little quiet Tuesday night, and when I went into Eros bar, there was just one other customer. I hung out for an hour, and generally one customer would come in and go after 15 minutes.

I bought a drink for a boy named Bek, he claimed to be a bottom, but I suspect he was straight. And he said no Long Time was possible, which tells me he probably had a wife.

So, I diddled with him for a bit, and watched the action over on the far side of the bar. Mostly some Farang and five boys, like a school of piranha.

[FarangRuMak]

I dropped into Pattaya last year for the first time in a long time and ended up visiting Boyztown, Sunee, Jomtien and NAB and another local nightclub I know not the name all in the space of 4 nights.

Boystown packed like crazy and good diverse demographic of young and old.

Friend wanted to go to Sunee Plaza. It looked like a deserted back alley. Quiet. =Definitely died down since I was last there a few years ago. Days are numbered I reckon. High time a developer came along and found better use for the land.

NAB was doing well.

Jomtien seems pretty happening.


Interesting you say that... I have plenty of 40+ and even 50+ mates and they have boys in their 20s lining up for them. Lots of younger Asians are into the whole Daddy thing. There are even DILF (Dad I'd like to fuck) events.

Depends if you've got the personality and the looks.



Especially gay tourists... Bangkok is the gay capital of Asia, even more so now. Millions of gay guys going there for weekends, holidays and circuit parties. Only a small percentage go to Pattaya though.

Thanks for the cheery news that there may still be fun for us "getting oldie types" in the future.
I would have been happier if you wrote that it "depends on personality OR looks" cos as my looks fade my personality gets better and better.
But that might not be enough-even in Asia.
O Woe is me.

[frequent]

... as my looks fade my personality gets better and better.Seriously?

[FarangRuMak]

Seriously?

Well, all the boys tell me that, so it must be true.
But even the women have stopped shouting "Handsome Man"
So 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

[kram987]

I think the less money is true, and is combined with that Thailand has become more expensive over time and has more compitition. When I go to Puerto Vallarta it is building and easy to find whatever you need. Its closer to the US to.

[Newbie99]

The big draw of Eros is that the action takes place inside. On the other hand, the only time I went to the Jomtien Complex, the bars were open air, and I mainly saw older Farang customers drinking beers, accompanied by bored looking Thai boys. Are there Sunee style enclosed bars at Jomtien, or do I have to go to Sunee for hands on action?

[francois]

Not at Jomtien. Although there are plenty of massage houses in Jomtien Complex.

[latintopxxx]

i will miss the sleaze thats on offer in sunnee...it is already on the decline. I miss the fuck shows in soi twilight. Its all becoming too vanilla.

[frequent]

I miss the fuck shows in soi twilight. Its all becoming too vanilla.No more fuck shows in Soi Twilight? It's the end of civilization as we know it

[latintopxxx]

True...glad we are soul mates when it comes to what matters..

[scottish-guy]

You're both out of date - fucking is the new vanilla