Pleasure from being a bottom?

[cdnmatt]

Maybe someone can help explain this, as I've never been able to figure it out.

Ask any bottom out there if it hurts to get fucked, and nearly everytime you'll get the same answer. It hurts very much at first, but later it feels good. I've tried to let people top me a few times, and yeah, it fucken hurts.

So if it hurts, I don't understand why I'd ever want to do that to someone I love, let alone a hooker off a go-go bar stage if I'm a decent human being. If I love that person especially, why would I want to hurt them like that? I want to make them feel good, not in pain.

Is being a bottom purely an emotional thing, and not for physical pleasure, or? There's not a chance I'll ever be a bottom, because that hurts, so I'm still a little confused as to what pleasure bottoms get out of it.

[scottish-guy]

I've never experienced any real physical pleasure - as you say it can be painful and even when it's not I find its mostly just a feeling of pressure rather than anything thrilling. I've never experienced an orgasm from being fucked unless it was "manually induced", but clearly some people do.

I think a lot of guys get off on the psychological aspect of it - i.e of being "used" or at least dominated. I can relate to that if its the right boy, dressed the right way, and behaving accordingly. However I'd never find that in Thailand and finding my type even in Europe is not easy. The number of skinny, chavvy lads dressed in trackies and a cap, and with the appropriate "attitude" who are up for topping a 50+ Uncle Fester lookalike is not high even for a reward

:D

[scottish-guy]

For example, this:

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And before anybody says anything to the contrary - both are legal

[fountainhall]

First off, there is a reason for that pain. The muscles of the ass are designed to expel, not to receive. You can push out matter as large as a large dick and feel no pain. Try the opposite without preparation and some will feel almost ripped apart.

So for a first timer the essence has to be preparation and a degree of training of those muscles. Almost the same as going to the gym. Part of that preparation is of course some form of anal cleansing because the moment he feels something inside the body's natural reaction is to expel.

Those often interminably slow Japanese gay porn movies give you an idea what to do next. Almost half the move is spent working on the ass whilst at the same time exciting other erogenous zones. First some teasing tongue rimming working on the outer part. Lots of good lube is then essential. Sometimes a small toy to start, only working on the outer part before slowly inserting. Then very slowly one finger. When you feel the muscle relaxing, a larger toy leading - yet again very slowly - to two fingers. Don't even think of going straight in. Very gently and very slowly is the name of the game no matter how randy you feel.

Your finger/s will tell you if the muscle is indeed relaxing. Some people like poppers i(f they can get them) as this helps with the relaxation. Only when you feel the muscle is sufficiently relaxed should you attempt insertion. And once again go slowly, slowly. Once in, hold it there for a while to allow your partner to get used to it before you eventually start moving.

With the right preparation, pain will be significantly reduced. For some guys, there will be little at all. And then after two or three sessions, he will know exactly what to do and the advance preparation will need very little time.

From what those who love being bottoms tell me, there is intense pleasure to be had. Not only are there many nerve endings in that area which become stimulated, a good top will know how to hit and massage his g-spot on the prostate. Not only have I known bottoms go quite crazy when this happens, I have encountered a few who can then cum without any stimulation of their own penis.

And of course there is the knowledge that you are giving a great deal of pleasure to your partner. It often surprises me here in many Asian countries to find so many young bottoms on the apps. At first I thought it was some sort of submissive thing - rather like Scotty's description of being used. That may be part of the reason for a few, but I am certain almost all so describe themselves because of the enjoyment - often intense - they experience.

[francois]

These posts by matt and responses by others are surreal.

[AsDaRa]

Mr. Fountainhall: I am sure you are right, but how many of the daily "Farang fucks Thai moneyboy" occurences, involve what you say:
1) Involve this elaborate foreplay?
2) Involve hitting the prostate?

My feeling tells me for most boys daily fucked by Farang, the pleasure lies in the domination. Because I don't believe many Farang do this boring long foreplay (it is boring!). Compare it with blowjobs: I give blowjobs to boys, but giving it soon (after 1, 2 minutes) starts to feel boring to me. I don't see the fun in giving it, I see it in receiving it.

I think most farang off a boy for short time, put him on the bed and after some cuddling, kissing start fucking him without that elaborate ass foreplay. Of course there are exceptions. I think you are one.

Also when you fuck a boy how do you know you are hitting his prostate? Because of the sounds he makes? Or you can somehow feel it? How deep do you have to go for the prostate to be hit?

[fountainhall]

Of course there are exceptions. I think you are one.Oh not again! Another of your conclusions which is totally wrong! If you had read my response properly, you would know I was answering Matt's points about pain when first having anal intercourse and why some endure it. End of story! You seriously think I've gone through that rigmarole every time for the last few decades??

Over the years I have come across probably less than a handful of guys from the bars who are basically newbies and so not used to anal intercourse. After about three times, it becomes relatively easy to relax the muscles and so the pain element disappears. Soon it becomes totally second nature - even to the straight boys. I absolutely do not agree that most of those in the bars who are happy to bottom want to be dominated. Quite the opposite. Some customers may wish to dominate them but they want the money, pure and simple. For them it's a business. There is little or no feeling one way or the other in it for them. They fulfil the customer's desires and get their cash. End of story!!

As for the male prostate, google it.

[AsDaRa]

Ok clear.

What is your attitude to blowjobs? You like giving them or it starts becoming boring soon?

[francois]

What next rim jobs? Golden showers? Scat sex? This thread could go on a long time thanks to matt, who pardon the expression, is eating it up.

[fountainhall]

I thought we were trying to encourage newbies! A bit of instruction for younger ones! LOL

[justaguy]

Hmm, good question. Being top, I wouldn't know. I sometimes bottom for my boyfriend, but to be honest, it doesn't hurt and it doesn't give me pleasure.

Maybe the dick size is a factor here..

[scottish-guy]

Ya think?

Is my pic (above) not appearing - did i make a mistake uploading it or has it been banned?

:D

[fountainhall]

Your appendage is "invalid". Obviously too long for this thread.

[Nirish guy]

did i make a mistake uploading it or has it been banned?

So, I'm putting money on the first BUT now you've mentioned "banned" we all of course will be rushing to see it ! Good reverse marketing there SG - once you actually work out how to load it up that is ! :-)

As for the rest of the thread, I;m not sure if others are implying that Matt is trolling for fun etc but I think it's actually a perfectly reasonable thread and as FH says's may well contain snippets of help and advice for others maybe younger or lets say maybe just less experienced than some of the more experienced members ( read SLUTS :-) on here.

Lets face it if you want to read up on fixing your car you might go to a used car forum, but if you want to read up on getting fucked / how to fuck ( as lots of straight people do but would never admit) what better place to read up on that than a gay forum frequented by experienced men ( sluts ) like ourselves - and before anyone complains I do of course include myself in that description and quite contentedly too I might add as after all the time and money I've spent practicing over the years I'd like to think that like others here I'm getting not half bad at it now when I can be bothered putting in the effort that is ! :)

Oh and as we're giving tips - when using said fingers to loosen up your partner at the start, be sure to make SURE that you cut your finger nails first ( apparently !! OPPS :-)

[scottish-guy]

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[Nirish guy]

Actually now that I actually think of it ( and sorry to hijack the thread slightly Matt but bare with me) seeing as there IS so much acquired cumulative on the board we should all consider writing a book ! BUT to balance things out and make it more interesting we should also recruit a few older seasoned money boys to write the Thai chapter side of things, so we'd have alternating chapters and paragraphs describing the entire Thai MB / farang off / fuck process, perhaps it might read something like the following :

Chapter one - In the bar -
Farang - Always only go into a boy bar with lots of cute semi naked guys who love getting their clothes off on stage as they're so horny and one that has plenty of customers so you don't feel too obvious and the boys won't see you slipping in and whatever you do don't catch the eye of one of the dancers.

Thai - Always dance semi naked as the manasan insists on it, even though the aircon the sweaty farang insist on having makes us freezing cold and means we're far from feeling horny EVER but be sure to watch out for the farang who slips in trying not to be noticed and whatever you do be SURE to catch his eye at the earliest moment.

Chapter Two - In the room.
Farang - Always insist on showering with the boy so you can caress his lovely smooth skin and play his lovely cock and get him to do the same with yours to hopefully as they do so well as they really seem to just love our cocks so much.

Thai - Always insist on the farang showering as they're always smelly and sweaty and if possible make him do it alone too as he's gross, but do be sure to slip in at the end just to check out his rancid cock for disease and to and ensure that he has at least washed and preferably get him to give it a few tugs to hopefully try and get at least SOME blood into it before you have to try and get him hard, which will be bloody difficult as he's been out drinking all night.

Chapter Three - In the bed.
Farang - Always try to make the encounter last as long as possible and bang the hell out of the mb's ass as we KNOW they really love that and that they get off on being fucked by our BIG white cocks.

Thai - Always try to make the encounter last as short a time as possible and to ensure this be sure to moan and pretend that the aging white guys semi limp dick is pleasuring us at all in some way as we KNOW they love it when they think we're enjoying it which of course we're SO not compared to our actual 26 year old Thai BF who HAS a big cock and knows how to use it when HE fucks us.

Chapter Four - Afterwards
Farang - Always try to get your sex for as cheap a price as possible and tell the boy he was a shit shag and so we can only pay him half. Then go online and tell all your other farang friends and how you banged the life out of your MB and that he loved it and you think he actually loves you a bit too now.

Thai - Always try to insist on as high a tip as possible by telling the farang that he had a big cock and really hurt you and you can't go back to work for two days now so you need some extra money. Then go back to the bar and tell all the other Mb's how gross your farang was and that he'd a small dick, was a useless shag and a cheap charile and that the fool has you think actually started to fall in love with you !


HA, I'm betting that book would make good reading and I for one would absolutely buy it ! All proceeds to be donated to a suitable Thai Aids charity of course just for clarity !

Ok, Sorry Matt - back to does it hurt taking it up the bum and if so why would you bother...... and my two cents worth about that is that a) yes sometimes it can hurt if not relaxed / in the right mood and b) yes try it because when done right it CAN feel damned enjoyable both physically and mentally getting fucked by the right guy(s) at the right time and lifes shorts do why the hell not ! :-)

[francois]

matt is not a newbie!

Since on the topic of assholes, I want to know is why is rimming such a pleasure (for some) if the tongue is not long enough to reach the prostate? Please post your personal experiences. Matt, please be first to reply.

[scottish-guy]

Well Matt being blind he thought he was rimming some boy but it turned out he was tonguing a doughnut

[Nirish guy]

matt is not a newbie!

Since on the topic of assholes, I want to know is why is rimming such a pleasure (for some) if the tongue is not long enough to reach the prostate? Please post your personal experiences. Matt, please be first to reply.

To be fair he's not implying he is nor is he asking for a "How to" manual, he was merely asking the question " so what DO bottoms get out of it he wondered" - fair enough question for a lazy sunday post on a message board I would have though. But don't let that stop you answering the rimming question too matt just for the hell of it.

[latintopxxx]

...ofcourse its a job for them...straight or gay...and yes they do try to get the max cash out of u for the least amount of effort...its game of wits...and yes its is a very pliable/stretchable/trainanble muscle...may hurt the first half a dozen times...but please...the average MB gets fucked more often than I have breakfast...I've had laddish straight acting MB that i've just plunged into and they barely noticed...just a little groan and that was it...and no...its not my little dick.... so when I berate them for being as lose as an old woman half the time I'm right...

[scottish-guy]

Which rather begs the question of how many loose old women have you fucked in order to make a valid comparison?

I think we should be told.

[latintopxxx]

scotty boy...i realise that u r from the frozen wastelands (soon to be free) up north...way past adrians wall...but really...do u have to take everything literally...like when one says that something tastes like shit...do u really think that we've actually tasted it??

...anyway I love the look on the silly Mbs face when Im busy pounding him and at the same time ordering him to keep it tight/tighten the hole...total scream...the look of effort on his face as he desperately tries to clench non stop...

[latintopxxx]

...but back to the subject line....I've encountered all types of bottoms...those that absolutely love it/crave it...sant seem to get enough...for some reason brazilians seem to be excellent true bottoms...and these I also split into 2 groups...some have absolutely no erection...the others sport nice gard erections and stay hard during the fuck and usually shoot as well.
I like both.
A fuck date with this type of MB almost feels like a non commercial session as he clearly enjoys and wants it.

Then u get the bottoms that cant take a prolonged fuck...after say 10 min they need to wrap it up as it gets uncomfortable....I love encountering these types of MB bottoms...my absolute favourite...love seeing how long I can prolong the date...love seeing them strain...usually ends up with me negotiating a discount and and extra 5 min because i want to cum.

Then u get the bottoms that do it because they are MB and this is a job and they need to bottom of they are gonna make a living and somehow they have deadened that area...maybe they use " anal ease" or some sort of anesthetic cream.... its all very mechanical..with these I do my utmost to try and get a reaction...change positions...plunge in deeper..in quick succession I'll pull out and plunge back in popping through the sphincter 10 or 15 times...no reaction... most times there is just a blank look on his face...he's there to get used...collect his cash and go...not even a thank you or good bye kiss.

[BonTong]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/christianzamora/winnie-the-pooh-bottom

Winnie was just glad Eeyore didn't show up.....

[homeseeker]

OP: Read your posting but not bothered considering the replies so far.
For a large proportion of gay people the pleasure of anal sex is central to our life style.
It can give both physical and emotional experiences.
Just consider many of the gay dating sites where for example people state whether they are sexually top/bottom or versatile etc.
If it is done correctly anal sex is a wonderful and fulfilling experience for both the giver and receiver.
For whatever reason just because you are unable to have this wonderful sexual pleasure then kindly do not try to denigrate the vast majority of us who are enriched by it.
Cheers!

[latintopxxx]

tiger...or shud i say homeseeker...in no way am i denigrating a true bottom...its the wanna bees that I enjoy using.....and breaking....

[homeseeker]

tiger...or shud i say homeseeker...in no way am i denigrating a true bottom...its the wanna bees that I enjoy using.....and breaking....

-My remarks about denigrating was aimed at the OP Matt: nothing about u Latin....

[scottish-guy]

.... Well past adrians wall...

Would that be Adrian Mole? Adrian Edmondson? Adrian Chiles?

Or my personal favourite and role-model - the fabulous 1970s wrestler Adrian Street?

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[latintopxxx]

...and here i thought that the village people were too much.....but trust the scottish to confuse me ?@

[latintopxxx]

...and homeboy...I believe that even in this era of trump like alternative facts that one is still allowed to comment at statements generally speaking

[cdnmatt]

OP: Read your posting but not bothered considering the replies so far.
For a large proportion of gay people the pleasure of anal sex is central to our life style.
It can give both physical and emotional experiences.
Just consider many of the gay dating sites where for example people state whether they are sexually top/bottom or versatile etc.
If it is done correctly anal sex is a wonderful and fulfilling experience for both the giver and receiver.
For whatever reason just because you are unable to have this wonderful sexual pleasure then kindly do not try to denigrate the vast majority of us who are enriched by it.
Cheers!

Oh, I didn't mean to be insulting in any shape or form. Whatever makes the two of you happy, go for it.

And I'm a 100% total ass guy. I think bums are absolutely splendid, love to play with them, use them as a pillow, kiss them, massage them, have them sit on my lap as it's all warm and soft, etc. However, I don't really have any desire to stick my junk up there.

Anyway, I made the thread because I'm aoncfused about it. My current BF thinks he's a bottom, but I don't think he is. We've tried twice at his request, and both times lasted about a whopping 1 second, before he realized that's a bad idea.

I don't know, I just want to keep him happy. Do I really need to go through the whole song and dance of lubing him up, using one finger, then two fingers, and all that shit? That seems like a total pain in the ass to me, but het, if it's going to make him happy, I'm happy to play along. I can fuck him him to his heart's content if that will make him happy, but personally, I have no real desire to do so.

I'm more than happy with just a soapy shower, 69, giving each other a soothing massage, rubbing our dicks together, or whatever. There's loads of sex to be had without sticking your junk up there.

[Mancs]

If he is really keen then him practising with a plastic dildo, well lubed, will make the hole bigger and can be done at his speed. Then you're fucking him might be more successful.

[francois]

then two fingers, and all that shit? ... That seems like a total pain in the ass to me, .

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matt, I just love your wording regarding the "pleasure from being a bottom".

[scottish-guy]

..practising with a plastic dildo, well lubed, will make the hole bigger .....

I doubt the medical science in this - if your suggestion were true there would be lots of elderly and incontinent gay desperado farangs delicately walking around Pattaya with buttocks clenched tightly together lest they should shit themselves!

Oh wait.....

[fountainhall]

I doubt the medical science in this . . .
Oh wait.....
Was the "wait" a realisation that a book on the anatomy of that part of the body would serve to more or less debunk that theory for there are in fact two sphincters some distance apart? Were the outer to become loose, the inner would probably hold - unless the pounding had been done very regularly by an overgenerous organ!

[MiniMee]

Was the "wait" a realisation that a book on the anatomy......Or was it something more, errr.........immediate?

[scottish-guy]

I await Fountainhall's references from the BMJ or suchlike detailing clinical research on the effect of sustained anal penetration of both sphincters

[fountainhall]

I regret you will have to wait. It is not one of the journals I subscribe to. Perhaps latin can provide the requested research!

[Nirish guy]

I await Fountainhall's references from the BMJ or suchlike detailing clinical research on the effect of sustained anal penetration of both sphincters

No ! I believe that this weeks report is going to be on rectal prolapses in the over 50's, just wait your turn and I'm sure he'll get round to your sphincter when he's good and ready !

[latintopxxx]

...quite the opposite...regular prolonged deep fucking exercises the sphincter increasing its stretch and elasticity...its when super kink takes over with fisting on drugs damaging the muscle that serious issues are encountered. I urge all true bottoms to arrange penetration on a regular basis not only for their pleasure, mental health but for their sphintcers good as well.

[latintopxxx]

...and scotty...very witty

[Nirish guy]

..its when super kink takes over with fisting on drugs damaging the muscle that serious issues are encountered.

That's SUPER Kink then is it ? ..... damn I just thought that was just ordinary every day kink !! And theres you you once called me a tree hugger and every thing ! :-) Oh well, like I said, it's the quiet ones you have to watch eh .......:-)

[latintopxxx]

....I've seen some pretty unusual things in my life...and i would count fisting parties as one of these...not that I'm one to judge...each to his own...but it defies logic ....puff & play is a reality...some of these guys r so high on whatever it is they are smoking/snorting/injecting that they are oblivious to the damage being done...

[Nirish guy]

Apparently not everyone who does that uses drugs though......well accordingly to a massuse I once meet in a hotel room in Barcelona, who without going into details lets just say should have ended up paying ME for lets call is a very specialist massage :-) Like I say, the quiet ones ya have to watch LT, ya just never know...... lol. I think you're going to have to up you're game as I hate to tell you all you're shocking posts that you think were outrageous, hmmmm, maybe not so much :-)

[latintopxxx]

irish....u most certainly have totally misinterpreted my posts, I in no way was trying to impress u or anyone else...most certainly wasnt trying to " up my game" ....most of the criticism directed towards me have been because of the way I treat MB...how I see them as service providers to be used for my pleasure...to satisfy me...with minimal regard for their pleasure.
Im certainly not interested in boring u with my antics in places like club church (amsterdam), l'impact(paris) or the multiple venues in berlin.....or the insane parties thrown by Jap friends in Shanghai and BKK.

[Nirish guy]

ha yeah I've been to that particular "church" in Amsterdam one lazy naked Sunday - it's about the only type of religion I've ever actually enjoyed and / or ever stayed longer than I actually had too :)

[latintopxxx]

at club church best times are after 2am on a sunday morning....lotsa horny guys so high on whatever theyve been snorting/smoking looking for action after working up an appetite clubbing...They also have interesting theme parties....best one checks as not to everyones taste...
l'impact in paris is one of my absolute favourites...get all sorts...from real twinks to bears...all shapes/sizes/colours...even had a trio of military boys walk in in uniform...almost caused a stampede....french are certainly a pleasure to fuck...horrible as a people...but good to fuck...

[francois]

matt, congratulations, another, pardon the pun, "hole-in-one" for your initial post.

[latintopxxx]

yup...dont u just love how a thread meanders all over the place ....