Back to normal in pattaya

[Daveuk]

I arrived in Pattaya on Thusday which I think was the end of the month's mourning for his Majesty. I'm staying in Boystown where I found things back to normal I.e. Bars and gogo's open with lights and loud music.
Last night I offed a boy but before going to my room we went down a packed Walking Street at 2 am where like BT everything was open with many girls and ladyboys looking for business.
Walking around town during the day I did notice many Thais wearing black and most of the larger business's have tributes to his majesty. The Royal Garden shopping area advertises an exhibition showing episodes in the King's life and his many achievements, which I intend to visit.

[Steve1903]

I noted on a skype call that BF is back to his red work uniform rather than the black he's been wearing daily recently.

[Nirish guy]

I noticed on Periscope this morning ( that someone was streaming live from Pattaya) that there seemed to be some sort of large HRH type rally / remembrance event type thing taking place as there were a lot of people going round the crown selling black ribbons etc - or maybe it was just a normal event where people felt the need to display ribbons ? Wonder what that was all about ( the event I mean not the ribbons of course?)

[arsenal]

I posted the info NIrish.

[Daveuk]

Yes there was a sort of rally on beach road. I missed it as I as out late last night and was catching up on my sleep. Whilst I was having dinner at 6.30 a stream of Thais plus the occasional farang paraded through BT holding candles and portraits of the King. They were all dressed in black. However it's 10 pm and things are normal in Boystown.

[Nirish guy]

Y..... I was having dinner at 6.30 and a stream of Thais

Ahhhh so THAT's the collective noun for a lot of Thai people all walking together then eh - a stream ! ok then. Hmm, so If there's a REALLY big crowd of them does that then turn into a "Torrent of Thai's" then I wonder ? :-)

[a447]

Are most of the locals wearing black, apart from those taking part in ceremonies?

What about the tourists? what are they wearing? Will I have to update my wardrobe and bring lots of black stuff?

[cdnmatt]

Are most of the locals wearing black, apart from those taking part in ceremonies?

What about the tourists? what are they wearing? Will I have to update my wardrobe and bring lots of black stuff?


You're a farang, and he's not your king. Wear whatever you want, as nobody gives two shits if you're wearing black or not.

If anything, I'd say don't wear black, because it'll just make you look like a retarded imposter. Same as when farangs wai go-go boys.

[frequent]

I'd recommend a burqa for those who want complete discretion

[fountainhall]

If anything, I'd say don't wear black, because it'll just make you look like a retarded imposter
I take exception to that comment! Tourists and local farang were particularly asked to dress respectfully to include either black or at least a black armband. At DMK two weeks ago there were black ribbons attached to safety pins for visitors to wear. Here in Bangkok, a huge number of farang were wearing back and sometimes black and white.

Even though the first month is over, a lot of farang are still wearing some black. For holidaymakers, you will be much respected if you pick up one of those small ribbons on arrival and just pin it to your sleeve or shirt front

[catawampuscat]

I have to agree with Matt on the way farangs 'wai'.
Some farangs go for the highest wai, meant for elders, religious leaders etc.
and not teenage bar boys. Of course, they are behaving ridiculously, but I imagine with
good intentions.
If you don't know what's appropriate, a head nod usually suffices.
I suppose one could kiss a boys feet but not in public pleezze

[a447]

You're a farang, and he's not your king. Wear whatever you want, as nobody gives two shits if you're wearing black or not.

If anything, I'd say don't wear black, because it'll just make you look like a retarded imposter. Same as when farangs wai go-go boys.

Wearing black to reflect the cultural sensitivities of Thailand can in no way be likened to farang giving a wai to go -go boys.

Matt, do you really live in Thailand? If so, how on earth have you survived so long, especially in a traditional setting?

Unbelievable!

[cdnmatt]

Wearing black to reflect the cultural sensitivities of Thailand can in no way be likened to farang giving a wai to go -go boys.

Matt, do you really live in Thailand? If so, how on earth have you survived so long, especially in a traditional setting?

Unbelievable!


I son'r knoq, maybe because instead of trying to act Thai and impede on their culture and societal norms, I realize Thais are a very proud people and decide to respect those things from a distance while remaining respectful with the values enstilled in me as a Canadian?

Not sure, but that's my guess.

[fountainhall]

I son'r knoq, maybe because instead of trying to act Thai and impede on their culture and societal norms, I realize Thais are a very proud people and decide to respect those things from a distance while remaining respectful with the values enstilled in me as a Canadian?.
I'm not sure what that first part is about, but if you don't realise that Thais actually have great respect for farang who take the trouble to wear black at this time of deep national mourning, it would seem you don't have much knowledge of the Thai character and way of thinking! It has absolutely nothing to do with your nationality!

[pennyboy]

Yesterday there was a public mourning on beach road Pattaya and most were wearing black there and many around town. Other than that I don't see many farang wearing black nor even the majority of Thais now. I would not suggest anyone should pack a load of black clothes for upcoming visits.

[arsenal]

I can't say I have noticed any difference at all. Either in dress or general behaviour. Pattaya is as much fun as it always is.

[Jellybean]

It’s not very often that I find myself on a different side from the opinion expressed by cdnmatt. But on the first part of your post cdnmatt, I believe you are plain wrong for the very good reasons expressed by a447 and fountainhall in their posts above.

I expressed by own views on the wearing black clothes on the topic Jellybean, at post #7, on 5 November 2016, when I said:

‘I was however happy to fit in [by wearing black] and show my personal expression of respect and sympathy with Thai people for the sad loss of His Majesty the King.’

And:

‘Shortly after I arrived back, the residents and staff of my apartment building were invited to attend a very moving and respectful candlelight ceremony to offer our condolences on the death of HM the King. I was glad at that time to be wearing the right apparel and was treated very kindly by the Thai people present.’

I returned to Bangkok this morning, after 3 days in Pattaya, where I found that not as many people were wearing black as in Bangkok. The exception being, as pennyboy commented on above, on Saturday, 19th, when Beach Road was closed to traffic as preparations were made for the, “Memorial service for HM the late King.” as brought to our attention by arsenal on his topic of the same name. Almost every Thai I saw was wearing black, as were many foreigners.

Back in Bangkok today, many people, Thais and foreigners, are still wearing black, but not as many as last week. Many of those wearing more colourful clothes have opted to wear a black ribbon.

When I am looking for an answer to a Thai cultural question, I turn to the rather helpful Thai concierge staff at my apartment building. They advised me today that government employees are still expected to wear black or white and that most Thais will continue to wear black or white, but it is not compulsory. With regard to foreigners, it is entirely up to them if they wish to show solidarity with Thai people at this sad time by wearing black or white.

Bringing a black shirt or two won’t, in my view, do any harm a447. I’m sure you’ll look quite distinguished in a black shirt or polo shirt.

But on the subject of the wai by foreigners when approaching go-go boys, bar staff, shop and restaurant workers, I do however agree with cdnmatt. In my view, foreigners should not instigate the wai in those cases and, in other cases, a simple nod of the head in reply is usually enough of an acknowledgement, unless you are perfectly comfortable with the correct way to instigate or return the wai.

[francois]

But on the subject of the wai by foreigners when approaching go-go boys, bar staff, shop and restaurant workers, I do however agree with cdnmatt. In my view, foreigners should not instigate the wai in those cases ....


With the go-go boys I find that a kiss on both of their cheeks is the most opportune way to greet them.

[scottish-guy]

With the go-go boys I find that a kiss on both of their cheeks is the most opportune way to greet them.

Yes but what if they won't drop their pants to receive the aforementioned kisses?

:p

[Jellybean]

With the go-go boys I find that a kiss on both of their cheeks is the most opportune way to greet them.

Damn you François! Why didn’t I think of that? Well, who could disagree? To hell with the wai I say, I’m all for adopting François’ method of greeting a go-go boy, or other cute Thai boy, and would happily do so if I could get away with it!

[Jellybean]

Yes there was a sort of rally on beach road. I missed it as I as out late last night and was catching up on my sleep. Whilst I was having dinner at 6.30 a stream of Thais plus the occasional farang paraded through BT holding candles and portraits of the King. They were all dressed in black. However it's 10 pm and things are normal in Boystown.

Daveuk, out of curiosity and if you don’t mind me asking, were you the very friendly gentleman I spoke with on the terrace of the Ambiance Hotel, around 19:00 on Saturday evening? The gentleman I spoke with introduced himself as [******] from England and had just ordered some food. I was taking in the sights of Boyz Town prior to setting off on a dinner date.

[francois]

Yes but what if they won't drop their pants to receive the aforementioned kisses?

:p

Scottish-guy, you have a very dirty mind; by any other name you might be latin-top.

[colmx]

In my view, foreigners should not instigate the wai in those cases and, in other cases, a simple nod of the head in reply is usually enough of an acknowledgement, unless you are perfectly comfortable with the correct way to instigate or return the wai.

The wai argument pops up every few years - and is always so divisive!

Funny thing is my BF (of 14 years tomorrow) castigates me every time I fail to return a wai. His attitude is that if the person knows me and wai's then its an absolute insult for me not to return the wai.

Whilst I would rarely return the wai of a doorman to say a hotel (or gogo bar) I would always return the wai if he was known to me...Similarly if a gogo boy is on the floor, is known to me and wai's me, then I would also always return that wai.

So who is correct? The Thai who was brought up in this culture. Or the keyboard warrior farang?

[cdnmatt]

It’s not very often that I find myself on a different side from the opinion expressed by cdnmatt. But on the first part of your post cdnmatt, I believe you are plain wrong for the very good reasons expressed by a447 and fountainhall in their posts above.

I don't know, when it comes to things like this, I always err on the side of "respect from a distance", and it's always done me welll. Wearing black in my eyes would be somewhat of a facade, becayse that indicates I'm mourning the King, when I'm not. I know he was a great man who did a lot of help for the Thai people, but his passing doesn't emotionally affect me, like it has done to many Thais. Why would I cheapen their mourning period by faking that I'm in mourning too?

[fountainhall]

his passing doesn't emotionally affect me, like it has done to many Thais. Why would I cheapen their mourning period by faking that I'm in mourning too?
It has absolutely nothing to do with faking. It has absolutely nothing to do with cheapening anything, except perhaps your understanding of Thai people. It has absolutely everything to do with paying respect. Not to a King but to the Thai people. If you don't understand that, you don't understand Thais!

[a447]

Once I was sitting outside a cafe enjoying a cup of coffee in a small Italian town when a funeral procession passed by. Everyone stood up, so I did too. We all bowed our heads.

None of us knew the deceased but we were simply paying our respects.

Asian cultures are known for their numerous rituals and accompanying behavioural norms. It can be tiring, even for the locals, but everyone just follows the rules.

Are you even aware of this?? I wonder how the Thais you come into contact with view you, as you seem to pay little attention to their sensibilities.

Are you the farang they respect for at least attempting to understand their culture, or are you seen as the bumbling insensitive farang who doesn't understand anything and lives in a cultural desert?

[homeseeker]

a 447 says:"Once I was sitting outside a cafe enjoying a cup of coffee in a small Italian town when a funeral procession passed by. Everyone stood up, so I did too. We all bowed our heads."


Reminds me of the story of the golfer who seeing a funeral procession pass near the road of the golf course immediately delayed his putt, removed his cap and bowed his head until the procession had passed by.
A by stander was so impressed he congratulated the man for his respect, and the man then replied:
"Yes....we were married 40 years"....

[cdnmatt]

If people in this area dislike me, they sure have a weird way of showing it. There's a reason I'm still here after going blind, and not back in Canada. The pressure was on pretty heavy from my family to move, but I flat out refused. Don't worry, I'm liked just fine.

[fountainhall]

Don't worry, I'm liked just fine.
Oh please don't worry for we certainly aren't. I expect the reason is, as you put it so succinctly in an earlier post -


Why would I cheapen their mourning period by faking that I'm in mourning too?
No doubt Thais are good fakers too!

[cdnmatt]

Well, I don't know what to say. I guess thanks for continuing to validate my decision to stay here instead of move back to Canada.

[latintopxxx]

fountainbitch u really are a bag of shyte (no disrespect to shit meant) ...mattyboy must be one of the most neutral inoffensive board members but u seem to be determined to take offense on behalf of the Thais no matter waht...u sick sick puppy...and a447..u r a close 2nd.....
I can understand u all hounding me....after all I am a shameless libertine that enjoys trampling on others sensitivities.....but really picking on matyboy????...r u all just so bored because u dicks no longer work??even woih kamagra/viagra???

[cdnmatt]

most neutral inoffensive board members

Never thought I'd say this, but thanks latin. The ironic part being, if that quote is true, it's probably a good indication that I understand the Thai culture better than various other board members.

I lovw some farangs. Show up for holidays in tiyrust traps like Pattaya and Soi Twilight, get piss drunk and make an ass out of themselves in public, go full gluttony on the cheap hookers availablem make go-go bars and massage shops their second home, etc. The throw on some cutesy black clothes pat and decide they're not a respectable member of the Thai culture.

And I'mm the one who doesn't get it? Are you fucking kidding me?

, n

[francois]

I lovw some farangs. Show up for holidays in tiyrust traps like Pattaya and Soi Twilight, get piss drunk and make an ass out of themselves in public, go full gluttony on the cheap hookers availablem make go-go bars and massage shops their second home, etc. The throw on some cutesy black clothes pat and decide they're not a respectable member of the Thai culture.

And I'mm the one who doesn't get it? Are you fucking kidding me?

, n

Come on matt,get off you high horse before it tosses you off and land on your head again.
If you want to pretend you are some sort of recluse in KK then do so and enjoy your fantasy.
Meanwhile don't be so judgmental of those others for whom you know nothing. You come across as some jealous,bitter old queen not the 35 +++ maverick who you claim to be.

[a447]

Well, I don't know what to say. I guess thanks for continuing to validate my decision to stay here instead of move back to Canada.

Oh, I thought your reason for staying in Thailand was this :


I can't just live in Thaailand for over 6 years, then show up up at a Caanadian hospital and drop $30k of taxpayers money on medical expenses, even if I kept up my monthly fee. CThe Canadian healthcare system is reserved for residents, not citizens.

[latintopxxx]

a447....im inclined to say " go fuck yoursef"....but will not in case u actually enjoy it. Why dont u restrict yourself to writing believable tales about your trips to eastern europe or japan...yawn...

[fountainhall]

fountainbitch u really are a bag of shyte (no disrespect to shit meant)
Aha! So Sexually Deviant Latin has crawled out of his hole again (not sure whose, though) to make offensive comments about shit without even having bothered to read and make sense of what the thread is really all about! So much for the kind of respect he fails to acknowledge. Just so typical! Remember to wipe that shit off before you go for dinner Sexually Deviant Latin. Then crawl back to whatever Bitchboard still exists.


I lovw some farangs. Show up for holidays in tiyrust traps like Pattaya and Soi Twilight, get piss drunk and make an ass out of themselves in public, go full gluttony on the cheap hookers availablem make go-go bars and massage shops their second home, etc. The throw on some cutesy black clothes pat and decide they're not a respectable member of the Thai culture.
You're sooo perceptive! A very apt description of Sexually Deviant Latin!

[Nirish guy]

Show up for holidays.....get piss drunk......go full gluttony on the cheap hookers availablem make go-go bars and massage shops their second home, etc

You almost say that say that like it's a bad thing !? Sounds like a great trip if you ask me ! :-)

[a447]

Latin wrote:



a447....im inclined to say " go fuck yoursef"....but will not in case u actually enjoy it. Why dont u restrict yourself to writing believable tales about your trips to eastern europe or japan...yawn...

Latin went into hiding after my posts here:

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?18280-Do-you-make-a-bucket-list-when-planning-your-next-trip-to-the-LoS/page2


Latin, maybe I should "restrict" myself to dragging up your past unbelievable tales, full of blatant lies and contradictions. Christ only knows, there's plenty of them!

BTW, nobody is "picking on matyboy". Posters are just replying to his comments, which is what happens on internet boards.

And at least Matt answered, which is more than you do.

[arsenal]

As I've already posted elsewhere. I think Sexually Deviant Latin is Timmberty. Hence his fury at his previous incarnations enemies.

[Magnum]

Thanks guys for this very entertaining thread!



You're a farang, and he's not your king. Wear whatever you want, as nobody gives two shits if you're wearing black or not.

If anything, I'd say don't wear black, because it'll just make you look like a retarded imposter. Same as when farangs wai go-go boys.

My Thai friend ask me to wear black and several Thais thanked me for wearing black. I think you are wrong with that. cdnmatt, I just can't believe that someone with severe health problems re his eyes (!) would stay in Thai province. I would spend all my money to get the next flight home.

[cdnmatt]

Come on matt,get off you high horse before it tosses you off and land on your head again.
If you want to pretend you are some sort of recluse in KK then do so and enjoy your fantasy.
Meanwhile don't be so judgmental of those others for whom you know nothing. You come across as some jealous,bitter old queen not the 35 +++ maverick who you claim to be.

No high horse here. It's called treat people how you want to be treated.

Won't dignify the rest of your post...

[catawampuscat]

It shouldn't be difficult for christianpfc to track down Matt now with his blindness.
Maybe a fourth search of the villages in KK is in order, after 3 failed attempts.
At least Matt won't see Christianpfc lurking around his house and questioning neighbors.

[cdnmatt]

Shit, it's been three times now? I only know of the one time.

What a creepy little stalkers. Let's just hope he keeps his sexual endevaours to adults, and doesn't target children in this mannger, as some of his blog posts suggest otherwise.

[francois]

Wrong matt, nothing Christian has ever written would hint at your slanderous post above.
Have you no shame?

[a447]

Matt, when I have a go at Latin, I always post the specific comments that he's made.

Christian has a right to see which posts from his blog you are referring to. In fact, I think we all do.

Why don't you post them here?

[loke]

Matt is fake I think.

[latintopxxx]

well nothing shocks me when it comes to THIS board....and I do have to agree that Christian has never posted anything that would point towards that sort of thing...terrible really...

[frequent]

well nothing shocks me when it comes to THIS board....and I do have to agree that Christian has never posted anything that would point towards that sort of thing...terrible really...

Just Matt having a spray isn't it? Is Christian's blog now available in braille, I wonder?

[christianpfc]

It shouldn't be difficult for christianpfc to track down Matt now with his blindness.
Maybe a fourth search of the villages in KK is in order, after 3 failed attempts.
At least Matt won't see Christianpfc lurking around his house and questioning neighbors.

I think catawampuscat used poetic license. I stayed in KK several times, but only on one stay did I try to meet cdnmatt (failed, with cdnmatt's permission I would post our communication). That confirmed what others have told me before and after: despite inviting people to visit him in KK, cdnmatt is unavailable (wrong phone number, doesn't reply to calls or messages, whatever).

And I surely have better things to do in KK than trying to track down cndmatt:

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Wat Pa Saeng Arun, I haven't been to this temple yet, but on my next trip.)

[a447]

Matt is fake I think.

You're certainly not the only one who thinks that.

It all fell into a heap when he told us he'd gone blind. That may have been the final straw for many.

[catawampuscat]

Christianpfc should be aware that older farangs like to talk about outrageous behavior that
other farangs exhibit. Reporting in to farangs about your futile questioning and searches for cdnmatt is bizarre enough to be talked about over a beer in a group of farangs.
I find stalking creepy and am glad Matt is aware that someone
has made 4 trips to KK questioning Thais and searching for Matt. Denial is fine but it means
you are telling lies to older farangs whom you text about your searches.
You should also be aware that publicly reminiscing about the good old days of the third Reich
will make you despised by many of us. Resurrecting Hitler really a fucked up desire.

[Nirish guy]

And just for the record Christian you HAVE written some stuff over the years that has left you open to accusations of WTF !! when it comes to you "hunting and preying" on younger guys ( I'm being kind here),

I decided at the time to put it down to your command of English in some of the words and phrases you used and descriptions of of your activities in the slum areas etc and again to be fair Im going to leave it at that) - but just for the record, Matt - fake or not DOES have a point about some of your past posts.

And before anyone starts demanding copies and pastes - no, I not going to waste my time going back months and maybe years looking for stuff, but I know what I read at the time too and it did leave a question mark of "WTF did Christian just say there, that sounds as dodgy as fuck!"

Christian if you didn't intend that to the case ( again being kind here) you should perhaps be aware of how your choice of words read to others sometimes - especially those in authority as I'm guessing if they had read some phrases you'd used, intentionally or otherwise, I think you might have ended up with a bit of a problem on your hands perhaps.

Bur Matt, real or not, isn't as wrong in this case as everyone is automatically surmising there perhaps. But granted the posts that I recall were quite a while ago now and I'm guessing Christians "choice of words" has improved and hence this issue hasn't surfaced again in a long time now,

[christianpfc]

I cannot leave these misrepresentations (bordering on lies) uncommented.


Reporting in to farangs about your futile questioning and searches for cdnmatt...

There is no other way I can put it: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!


I find stalking creepy and am glad Matt is aware that someone
has made 4 trips to KK questioning Thais and searching for Matt. Denial is fine but it means
you are telling lies to older farangs whom you text about your searches.

Obviously you didn't understand what I wrote before (I just read my previous post, there is no ambiguity):

I stayed in KK several times, but only on one stay did I try to meet cdnmatt (failed, with cdnmatt's permission I would post our communication). That confirmed what others have told me before and after: despite inviting people to visit him in KK, cdnmatt is unavailable (wrong phone number, doesn't reply to calls or messages, whatever).

Meeting cdnmatt was a possible side effect of one of these stays, not the main reason.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LYING.


You should also be aware that publicly reminiscing about the good old days of the third Reich
will make you despised by many of us. Resurrecting Hitler really a fucked up desire.

Different story, I said everything here:
http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?17579-The-last-thread-on-Hitler&p=205758#post205758

[catawampuscat]

Two different older farangs separately told me about the multiple trips to KK and your
reports on the search for Matt, the questioning of village people and a diligent and
obsessive pursuit of matt's whereabouts. I believe that they relayed was what you told them and
messaged them.
We are all liars or you just can't admit you are a lurker and a creep.
Obviously, I don't like you, or your Hitler humor.
It's a small world and ones words can
haunt them.
Leave Matt the fuck alone, find a boyfriend already.

Posters on this forum will believe what they believe and a long detailed past of obsessive painstaking stalking,
searching, questioning and endless walking in dodgy areas in pursuit of boys, will sway posters opinions one way or the
other.

[Manforallseasons]

Christianpfc should be aware that older farangs like to talk about outrageous behavior that
other farangs exhibit. Reporting in to farangs about your futile questioning and searches for cdnmatt is bizarre enough to be talked about over a beer in a group of farangs.
I find stalking creepy and am glad Matt is aware that someone
has made 4 trips to KK questioning Thais and searching for Matt. Denial is fine but it means
you are telling lies to older farangs whom you text about your searches.
You should also be aware that publicly reminiscing about the good old days of the third Reich
will make you despised by many of us. Resurrecting Hitler really a fucked up desire.

This board in my opinion has suffered because of Christianpfc, his comments about Hitler are unforgivable and to reward him by making his blog a prominant part of the home page is not only bizarre but is offensive as well.

[arsenal]

Well it's been a long time since we had MFAS posting here and I for one am glad to welcome you back.

[frequent]

Two different older farangs separately told me ...

Clearly it's an indisputable fact then. I had "two different older farangs" tell me that the Tarntawan Hotel was definitely closing, and with it Dick's Cafe - as I reported in another thread which I started. Surely you have realised in your long, long life that most people want to boast about how much they "know" so as to big-note themselves, most of which is either easily disprovable or palpable nonsense. I told my "Tarntawan is closing" friends that what they were telling me was clearly bullshit based on simple logic but was roundly abused as I was not on the ground in Bangkok so how could I possibly know. The logic that a hotel would close down at the high point of the high season didn't seem to have occurred to them

But back to Matt. My impression from the few posts I've read is that he's a young man who thinks that Thai youths are reserved for the enjoyment of him and his contemporaries. Anyone older who seeks (or, worse) enjoys the same pleasures is nothing but an old pervert, and to be thereby condemned

[frequent]

Well it's been a long time since we had MFAS posting here and I for one am glad to welcome you back.

Are you sure he's not somebody else?

[fountainhall]

Leave Matt the fuck alone, find a boyfriend already.

Posters on this forum will believe what they believe and a long detailed past of obsessive painstaking stalking,
searching, questioning and endless walking in dodgy areas in pursuit of boys, will sway posters opinions one way or the other.
WTF is this all about? Why the sudden crucifying of christianpfc? Matt himself made it perfectly clear in an earlier post that there was one attempt to locate him? Despite phone number etc., that did not happen. So where have the references to four attempts come from? Christianpfc has denied them - and that's good enough for me.

It reminded me slightly of various attempts to meet up with Beachlover over on gaythailand.com. Michael who owned the Board at that time offered to take him for an excellent meal. His response was he'd try his best. Needless to say the meeting never took place because we all knew BL was a fake. In saying this, I make no comparison whatever to Matt, other than to suggest meetings set up with the best of intentions often fail for one reason or another.

The fact is that, unlike many others here, christianpfc genuinely likes to meet up with fellow members. That's far from stalking, and to suggest it is so should be stopped unless someone can provide proof rather than hearsay. It is also a fact that sometimes christianpfc does appreciate the person he's meeting to pick up tthe bill. If I had to live on his paltry savings I have zero doubt I'd do exactly the same.


This board in my opinion has suffered because of Christianpfc, his comments about Hitler are unforgivable and to reward him by making his blog a prominant part of the home page is not only bizarre but is offensive as well.
As for the Hitler jibes, few of us probably share christianpfc's particular sense of humor. But let's face it, that goes not only for christianpfc!! I admit I have not seen all the posts on his blog nor all here. But I cannot recall anything I found in what I have read to be any more offensive than a lot of what is written by others in this and other chat rooms/blogs.

And for those like MFAS who trash christianpfc's contributions, how often has MFAS - and other members for that matter - posted about his extensive travels around Thailand or provided such valuable information about various aspects of the country, including its gay life? The fact is that this Board and the other two main gay ones are essentially Pattaya-centric with occasional forays into Bangkok. For sexpats, sex tourists and those who live there, that's fine. The fact that another member providing insights into other parts of this vast country is called "offensive" is IMHO offensive in itself.

[christianpfc]

Two different older farangs separately told me about the multiple trips to KK and your
reports on the search for Matt, the questioning of village people and a diligent and
obsessive pursuit of matt's whereabouts. I believe that they relayed was what you told them and
messaged them.
Then either they misunderstood what I said or you misunderstood what they said or someone was drunk or whatever.

[arsenal]

Frequent: Everyone knows who MFAS is and what his handle is elsewhere.

[latintopxxx]

...oh honestly...this board is degenerating into a snake filled pit....was fun when I was being attacked...but now everyone is attacking everyone..I cant even tell who's friends anymore...like a highschool nightmare...

[Manforallseasons]

I won't dignify by posting anything more having to do with Chrispfc.

On another note though I havent posted for sometime I do look at the forum often. I am not sure why cdmatt is the topic of so much interest, I for one hope he is a fake and that there is no real guy in Nakon Nowhere suffering blindness, whoever he is I've enjoyed reading his posts for a long time from the early Kim days onward and I hope whoever he is that he keeps on posting.

[Smiles]

I think Fountainhall has written the most thoughtful post on this quickly-gone-south topic ... even though being just a tad 'windy' (as is his style).

For myself, I'll just quote his first, perspicacious, word:
" ... WTF? ... "



(See what happens when I go away for a few days :crazy_mini:)

[fountainhall]

Thank you Smiles - although I think the more appropriate word is long-winded :))

[catawampuscat]

Clearly it's an indisputable fact then. I had "two different older farangs" tell me that the Tarntawan Hotel was definitely closing, and with it Dick's Cafe - as I reported in another thread which I started. Surely you have realised in your long, long life that most people want to boast about how much they "know" so as to big-note themselves, most of which is either easily disprovable or palpable nonsense. I told my "Tarntawan is closing" friends that what they were telling me was clearly bullshit based on simple logic but was roundly abused as I was not on the ground in Bangkok so how could I possibly know. The logic that a hotel would close down at the high point of the high season didn't seem to have occurred to them

But back to Matt. My impression from the few posts I've read is that he's a young man who thinks that Thai youths are reserved for the enjoyment of him and his contemporaries. Anyone older who seeks (or, worse) enjoys the same pleasures is nothing but an old pervert, and to be thereby condemned

When two different men tell you the same story separately and you respect the men, then it
only leaves one with the conclusion that they are not the liars here.
Christianpfc has befriended many older gay farangs. Several of these farangs are the source
of my posting. I have only related one story. Christianpfc comments about older gay Jewish
farangs are disparaging and of course, it's the Jews who are the problem.
Only one of the reasons I find Christianpfc distasteful but he has his admirers and that's the way it is.
Btw, I warned Matt when I heard of the first reconnaissance mission.
I know I wouldn't like it if a stalker was outside my residence, taking
photos and questioning neighbors. Damn creepy!

[Smiles]

" ... I think the more appropriate word is long-winded ... "
I was trying to be polite (as well as off-topic). Next time I'll end my sentence with a good old "Krrrrap". Meanwhile, I'll enjoy every time I get the opportunity to use the word "tad".
.

[fountainhall]

On Friday I was on one of my very infrequent trips in to Pattaya. I realise the "normal" in the title refers to entertainment following the first month of mourning for the passing of His Majesty. But if normal refers to what I saw in Sunee Plaza, then as a gay hangout that area will surely be dead in the near future. Nice Boys and Eros had few customers, perhaps 3 of the beer bars were doing some business, the rest were all but empty. And the large number of "for sale" signs shocked me. And this is supposed to be the high season!

Boyztown was much more active but still not as crowded as I remember from a few years ago. Perhaps rain in the late afternoon had put guys off going out, but it had all but stopped by 7:00pm. Does anyone have any idea how many gay entertainment businesses there are now compared to, say, 5 years ago?

[Manforallseasons]

But if normal refers to what I saw in Sunee Plaza, then as a gay hangout that area will surely be dead in the near future. Nice Boys and Eros had few customers, perhaps 3 of the beer bars were doing some business, the rest were all but empty. And the large number of "for sale" signs shocked me. And this is supposed to be the high season!

Boyztown was much more active but still not as crowded as I remember from a few years ago. Perhaps rain in the late afternoon had put guys off going out, but it had all but stopped by 7:00pm. Does anyone have any idea how many gay entertainment businesses there are now compared to, say, 5 years ago?

As a long time resident of Pattaya the change over the last five years is most obvious in Sunee Plaza, the very, very few places there will most likely be gone soon, I would say the places in B.T. have been halfed in the past 5 years however, the once unlively Jomtien Complex has expanded it's offerings as the other 2 gay areas have shrunk, it is thriving with many bar boys from Cambodia and Loas.

[catawampuscat]

Thanks fountainhall for bringing this thread back 'on topic'.
Many bars have closed in Sunee Plaza but hope springs eternal. The old allofme bar beer
was reported to have rented for a new boy bar.
La Marina French restaurant has reopened with new owner.
In Boyztown, the old Funny Boys gogo bar being renovated and New Prisma boy bar to open soon in its place.
In Jomtien Complex new boy bar called Valentine to open soon as Thai owner of Narcissus Massage
closes on Pattayaland soi 1 and opens Valentines Boy bar beer.
I have to agree Sunee has seen better days, with many boys bars closed.

[fountainhall]

I have to agree Sunee has seen better days, with many boys bars closed.
"Better days" must be one of the great understatements!

The question has been asked before, and there may be little point bringing it up again but why is it that so many bars have been closing down? We know all about the apps and there now being less need for the boys to meet customers in a bar. But there surely has to be more than that. I remember when Krazy Dragon opened. It had a gimmick and despite the bar being overlarge, I believe it worked and was popular for a while. But then the management seemed to lose control of what was happening inside. The boys stopped circulating around around the tables, either preferring to concentrate on one or two, or spending ages chatting with their mates behind the bar. The bar manager or whoever was in control clearly had lost control and was bored. The quality of the boys also went downhill even before the bar was sold. Thereafter with the second owner it seemed to nosedive.

Happy Boys just outside Sunee seemed a fun place with quite a few customers whenever I was in town. Not to everyone's taste, understandably. but it had its own gimmick which seemed to work. Both bars are now dead.

The other night my friends and I actually had a good time in one of the gogo bars. The boys were fun to sit with, there was no great pressure to keep buying drinks (although we did) and we were happy to part with pretty generous tips. We were not planning to off anyone and again there was little pressure to do so. Yet there were few other customers over the 90 minutes or so we spent there.

Is it only the apps? Are bar managers simply inept at their jobs? Do owners really care any more? How do they start bringing the fun element back into their establishments?

[Manforallseasons]

Is it only the apps? Are bar managers simply inept at their jobs? Do owners really care any more? How do they start bringing the fun element back into their establishments?

Sunee died because the sleeze factor dissapeared with more and more police raids and exposes by the foriegn press, that was the draw when draw of sleeze ended so did the falang traffic. Boystown suffered from unrealisic pricing of drinks and a general lack of gay tourism.

[Oliver]

Sunny Boys in Suny had its brief moment in the sun a couple of years ago.....low prices and twinks actually dancing. I looked in twice; on one occasion it was very busy, on the second, there were no seats available and I left.
Then it suddenly and quickly declined and closed. Wasn't it a business model that others could try?

[arsenal]

At it's best Sunee was perhaps the most exciting couple of gay oriented streets in the entire world, The Corner Bar under Gary and then Michael was THE place to sit and people watch as different vistas evolved out of the different aspects.

[bkkguy]

At it's best Sunee was perhaps the most exciting couple of gay oriented streets in the entire world

I think we tend to forget sometimes that we are talking about commercial sex bars that are of interest to only a limited sub-section of the "gay" community

I can think of many "gay oriented streets" in the world that had at their best or still have today a very exciting variety of gay pubs, show bars, dance venues, saunas and sex venues as well as cafes, coffee shops and restaurants that offered/offer fabulous people watching that probably most gays would prefer over a view of older western gents with their younger Thai "boy special" in tow

I am not saying that Sunee did not have or deserve its 15 minutes of fame within the gay thailand forum community, but most exciting in the entire gay world?

bkkguy

[scottish-guy]

Would you like to name any of these mythical streets - because I can't think of any

[Manforallseasons]

At it's best Sunee was perhaps the most exciting couple of gay oriented streets in the entire world, The Corner Bar under Gary and then Michael was THE place to sit and people watch as different vistas evolved out of the different aspects.

For me there was no place like Sunee then or now, my memories go back before Gary had the corner bar when it was called the Sports bar, when Micheal had the Corner Bar in my opinion the slow demise of Sunee had already begun.

[arsenal]

bkkguy: Restaurants and cafes and shows are not gay orientated, they are enjoyed by everyone so if you're talking about areas of London, New York or Amsterdam then you're not comparing like with like. Besides as any Sunee old timer will tell you, it was never just about the sex. You'd meet fantastically interesting people and have wonderful conversations and an hour after meeting someone for the first time the two or three or four of you were riding around Pattaya on motorbikes looking for some nightclub or karaoke bar someone had said was full of hot offable boys. Fun my friend, pure and simple fun. The place hopped and buzzed and jived and thrilled and shocked and seduced and repelled and delighted. It's probably gone forever and we shall miss it's undeniable chutzpah.

P,S Given the choice and knowing the available fare that was there I would rather it died for good than came back in that form.

[francois]

Sunny Boys in Suny had its brief moment in the sun a couple of years ago.....low prices and twinks actually dancing. I looked in twice; on one occasion it was very busy, on the second, there were no seats available and I left.
Then it suddenly and quickly declined and closed. Wasn't it a business model that others could try?

I believe it was operating on borrowed money so not a good business model.

[Manforallseasons]

When newbees ask what was Sunee like 12 years ago I say there was the good, the bad, and the ugly, as well as snake charmers, elephants and characters straight out of a Fellini movie and I wouldn't have missed it for the world.

[bkkguy]

bkkguy: Restaurants and cafes and shows are not gay orientated, they are enjoyed by everyone

perhaps you should tell that to those who published the myriad Sunee gay maps over the years including every 7-11, FamilyMart, laundry, hairdresser, 1/2* guesthouse, hole-in-the-wall slophouse "restaurant" etc as "gay" - I doubt many straights, or indeed many gays, "enjoyed" these places

and actually both scottish-guy and arsenal the first such street that sprang to my mind was Oxford St in Sydney from Taylor Square to Hyde Park corner, admittedly years ago, but the bars and cafes were gay oriented with 90% gay patronage, as were drag show nites at Capriccios or Tropicana etc and yes the gay patrons spilled out onto the pavement and enjoyed watching the passing parade from the pubs to the dance bars and sex venues! it just wasn't commercial - but if you wanted that the infamous "Wall" was always just around the corner


so if you're talking about areas of London, New York or Amsterdam then you're not comparing like with like.

but surely that is the point - what are we supposed to compare with the "most exciting couple of gay oriented streets in the entire world"?

the scene in Oxford St and many other cities I have been in since I first came out 40 years ago "hopped and buzzed and jived and thrilled and shocked and seduced and repelled and delighted" for me just as much as Sunee did since I first came to Thailand 20 years ago

yes the scene is declining in many of the cities I have visited in the last 10 years - but then so has Sunee!

and yes I am now a fat ugly old falung and the best sex I have had recently has been commercial and in Thailand but "most exciting ... gay ... in the entire world"? I actually quite enjoyed the gay scene when I was in Paris a few years ago, and Berlin a few years before that!


Would you like to name any of these mythical streets - because I can't think of any

I find that a bit sad, and refer back to my original post about forgetting about ...

bkkguy

[arsenal]

bkkguy: Those streets had 10-12 venues full of 20 something year olds awaiting your command for pleasure? They had old friends in every bar and new ones to be made too? And cost as well...you could have the night of your life in Sunee for the price of a three course steak dinner at a steakhouse chain back in Britain. Not to mention that Boyztown is a 5 minute bike ride away.

[francois]

and yes I am now a fat ugly old falung .....


bkkguy

Say it ain't so bkkguy. I always imagined you as suave and debonair.

[kittyboy]

It has been 1 year since I was in Thailand prowling around sunee. I had fun 1 year ago and I suspect that I will have fun when I return (hopefully this summer). I first went to Thailand in 1986 as a dirt poor backpacker. I had a great time then and I still have a great time. The bar scene has changed but it is still a great adventure to get off plane in Thailand. Now it is gayromeo etc..as much as the bar for boys.
And for me at least Thailand is still a place to rent a moto and drive into the countryside with a boy on the back and see what happens. In short..for me it is still an adventure.

[arsenal]

Thanks Kittyboy. We two at least are singing from exactly the same song sheet. And the music is beautiful.

[Smiles]

" ... And for me at least Thailand is still a place to rent a moto and drive into the countryside with a boy on the back and see what happens. In short..for me it is still an adventure ... "
Nice joi de vivre going in Kitty.

[arsenal]

Those of you who don't rent a motorbike when in Pattaya simply do not realise the huge new array of pleasure you are missing out on. In fact I would say that those who do don't get jaded (bored) and those who don't do. If you catch my drift.

[francois]

Although I have a motorcycle license in my home country I would not drive a motorbike here seeing it as too risky. Probably because they drive on the wrong side of the road same same as the Brits and Australians. Of course in Pattaya they drive on whatever side of the road that suits them including the sidewalks. But, as you say, arsenal, it is a good way to get around and experience Pattaya.

[arsenal]

Try it once Francois. I think you'll be quite surprised just how ordered the way the traffic moves is and the cars are very geared up towards motorbikes. In over ten years of riding a motorbike in Thailand I've had one slight accident. That's considerably less than driving a car in England.

Only the motorbike taxis are any kind of problem and in this respect they follow the rule found all over the world (Japan and Hefei, China excepted) and that is that taxi drivers are total arseholes and must do whatever they can to undo any goodwill generated by the rest of the population towards any and all foreign visitors.

[Manforallseasons]

Although I have a motorcycle license in my home country I would not drive a motorbike here seeing it as too risky. Probably because they drive on the wrong side of the road same same as the Brits and Australians. Of course in Pattaya they drive on whatever side of the road that suits them including the sidewalks. But, as you say, arsenal, it is a good way to get around and experience Pattaya.

I've owned both cars and motorbikes since living in Pattaya, if you are ablebodied and I see many 80 year old falangs driving motorbikes, I reccomend you getting one as it is really the easiest way to get around Pattaya, pity those whose lives go no further than Center Condo, Sunee, and boystown.

[francois]

The bf has a motorbike and provides me rides. Usually wherever I go in the evenings I will be drinking and thus unwise to drive a motorbike. I do see a lot of old fools driving motorbikes who don't know what they are doing which describes most of the motorbike drivers in Pattaya.
Just call me Granny.

[christianpfc]

When two different men tell you the same story separately and you respect the men, then it
only leaves one with the conclusion that they are not the liars here.
Christianpfc has befriended many older gay farangs. Several of these farangs are the source
of my posting. I have only related one story. Christianpfc comments about older gay Jewish
farangs are disparaging and of course, it's the Jews who are the problem.
Only one of the reasons I find Christianpfc distasteful but he has his admirers and that's the way it is.
Btw, I warned Matt when I heard of the first reconnaissance mission.
I know I wouldn't like it if a stalker was outside my residence, taking
photos and questioning neighbors. Damn creepy!
The underlined is not true. That I have various older gay farang friends is true. The rest I cannot comment on. If our common friends read this, they might want to comment, and there is a joke:

http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Radio_Yerevan_Jokes
Q: Is it true that Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov from Moscow won a car in a lottery?
A: In principle yes, but:
it wasn't Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov but Aleksander Aleksandrovich Aleksandrov;
he is not from Moscow but from Odessa;
it was not a car but a bicycle;
he didn't win it, but it was stolen from him.

[catawampuscat]

I choose to believe fellow farangs, who have no reason to lie to me.
I choose not to believe someone who pines for the good old days of Hitler.
I have no reason to lie and freely admit my personal distaste for Christian but
recognize many other older farang feel differently.
Hitler humor has no more place here than racist jokes.

[christianpfc]

Chinese whispers (or telephone in the United States)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers#cite_note-Blackmore-1) is an internationally popular game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game),[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers#cite_note-OED-2) in which one person whispers a message to the ear of the next person through a line of people until the last player announces the message to the entire group. Although the objective is to pass around the message without it becoming misheard and altered along the way, part of the enjoyment is that, regardless, this usually ends up happening. Errors typically accumulate in the retellings, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly from that of the first player, usually with amusing or humorous effect. Reasons for changes include anxiousness or impatience, erroneous corrections, the difficult-to-understand mechanism of whispering, and that some players may deliberately alter what is being said to guarantee a changed message by the end of the line.
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers


And just for the record Christian you HAVE written some stuff over the years that has left you open to accusations of WTF !! when it comes to you "hunting and preying" on younger guys ( I'm being kind here),

I decided at the time to put it down to your command of English in some of the words and phrases you used and descriptions of of your activities in the slum areas etc and again to be fair Im going to leave it at that) - but just for the record, Matt - fake or not DOES have a point about some of your past posts.

And before anyone starts demanding copies and pastes - no, I not going to waste my time going back months and maybe years looking for stuff, but I know what I read at the time too and it did leave a question mark of "WTF did Christian just say there, that sounds as dodgy as fuck!"

Christian if you didn't intend that to the case ( again being kind here) you should perhaps be aware of how your choice of words read to others sometimes - especially those in authority as I'm guessing if they had read some phrases you'd used, intentionally or otherwise, I think you might have ended up with a bit of a problem on your hands perhaps.

Bur Matt, real or not, isn't as wrong in this case as everyone is automatically surmising there perhaps. But granted the posts that I recall were quite a while ago now and I'm guessing Christians "choice of words" has improved and hence this issue hasn't surfaced again in a long time now,
My underline. Probably deliberate. I like the kind of humor (that includes racist and even homophobic jokes) as:


Borat: Great! When I uh, buy my wife, at the start she was uh, cook good, her vazhïn work well, and she strong on plow. But after three years when she was fifteen, then she become weak, her voice become deep: BORAT BORAT, eh, she receive hair on chest, and vazhïn hang like sleeve of wizard.
from: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0003778/quotes

[Nirish guy]

So, after reading your above underlines in clarification of your intent back then I would have to stand entirely by my above post suggesting that still you could or should maybe be more aware perhaps of others NOT getting or taking your words as "jokes" ?? without clear indication from you that that is the case, especially when the topic at hand is usually neither funny in the first place nor a subject that most people would normally joke about anyway (such as Child Abuse, Hilter etc etc).

As I assure you when you were writing such things as you were wondering how you could get some young guy away from his friends and family to "prey on him" and that the family would be so angry if they knew even half of what your intent was towards him etc etc, all of which was after acknowledging his young age etc ( those quotes all from my memory I'll grant you that but that was the gist of those and many other posts you've made over the years) then I'm guessing you'll not find too many people laughing along with you about that ( although I'm guessing you're quite used to that being the case) and actually people more likely just questioning your whole integrity as a decent human being.

However as as you have now claimed / correcting / clarified that previous posts made by you like that in the past WERE all just examples of your weird ( warped) sense of humour then I guess that's something as I had always just assumed that that WAS who you were actually were the real world, with that being was quite a disturbing picture and one where i fully expected to see you popping up some time in a late night news clip on Pattaya one news some evening for all the WRONG reasons perhaps either arrested or murdered. Glad to hear that both those options now seem a least a bit less likely than before - probably.

[scottish-guy]

Really Catty - if I were you I'd be more worried about the rise of fascist movements almost throughout Europe right here and now - rather than getting your knickers in a twist about Hitler who to the best of my knowledge isn't reappearing any time soon.

The vast majority of sane people realise that Hitler was an evil monster - and whilst his misdeeds (which it must be remembered the German nation was willingly party to and whose complicity was absolutely necessary) ought to be taught in every school and never forgotten, the constant and almost obligatory cries of outrage from "certain quarters" over every little joke told or every out-of-step opinion expressed, actually diminishes the suffering of his victims.

So my advice would be to allow Christian his little eccentricities and out of kilter opinions without (as it seems you do) flying into a rage and playing the J card at every opportunity.

No doubt I'll now be deemed an anti-Semite for even saying that - but I'll end with a quote from one Melvin Kaminsky - a rather famous Jew who probably owes much of his career and success to frequently lampooning Hitler and the Third Reich:

"To those who accuse me of bad taste I say this.................Fuck You!"

[latintopxxx]

This talk of morals is a joke....especially on a gay thailand forum...please...everyone knows why guys go to Thailand and it sure as fuck isnt tp gawk at temples and palaces...nobody has the right to try and impose morals on me...before long I'll be in a burka.
BTW I purposefully said guys and not gay guys as I've tagged along with some straight friends on their crazy fuckfest holidays and they sure as fuck know how to have fun.

As for the whole chridtian and the germans and the nazis...anyone that has picked up a half decent history book will know that the germans populance was NOT complicit...hundreds and thousands of non jewish germans were also incarcerated in camps and went up in smoke...thousands of catholic and protestant priests died.
At least the germans as a nation have apologized and paid reparations which is a lot more than can be said for the japanese.

[scottish-guy]

This "half decent history book" you "picked up" - did you bother reading it at all?

If you insist you did actually read it and came to your conclusion as a result of doing so - I can only assume it was authored by David Irving and it sits on your bookshelf right next to the collected works of the Marquis De Sade.

You'll be telling us next that Hitler wasn't democratically elected in the full knowledge of his beliefs

Agree about the Japanese though

[latintopxxx]

my sweetness...no one is denying the holocaust...again stop using Trumps methods...simply pointing out that whilst Jews were the prime target many other groups were also targeted....and that amongst that other group were so called arayan germans who were brave enough to speak up.
As for the marquis...may i use an analogy and say that not only are we not on the same page..but are actually in different libraries

[scottish-guy]

"Different library", eh?:


"All universal moral principles are idle fancies"

"It is not my mode of thought that has caused my misfortunes, but the mode of thought of others"

"Sex is as important as eating or drinking and we ought to allow the one appetite to be satisfied with as little restraint or false modesty as the other"

"Variety, multiplicity are the two most powerful vehicles of lust"

.

Kinda sounds like some of your ourpourings - except the Marquis De Sade was far more literate

:D

[latintopxxx]

sweeitie scotty...everything is up for interpretation and re-interpretation...depends on the times and who's in power...are u a child abuser because the clothes on your back were made by little childrens hands??? some might say so.
Are you a child abuser because for them to be made the adults that made them had to leave their chilldren unattended at home?? some might say so.

Are u a rapist because the legal age male gogo boy u slobbered all over would rather have been somewhere else but because he's hungry he subjects himself to being pawed by lecherous u?? Some might say so.

Naturally Im not calling you a child abuser or rapist...just pointing out that if its up to the bleeding heart tree hugging lefties we'd all be in a whole heap of trouble...

[arsenal]

The link to Armeniapedia Christian posted is full of some astoundingly good satirical jokes. Well worth half an hour of your time if you've got nothing to do.

[fountainhall]

everyone knows why guys go to Thailand and it sure as fuck isnt tp gawk at temples and palaces...BTW I purposefully said guys and not gay guys as I've tagged along with some straight friends on their crazy fuckfest holidays and they sure as fuck know how to have fun.
So this is why visitors to the gay and straight sex venues account for just a small fraction of all visitors. Get real! Oh, I forgot. Latin's reality is a figment if his oversexed mind!

[arsenal]

Sexual Deviant Latin is on my ignore list so if he posts anything worth reading would someone please let me know. I won't hold my breath.

[latintopxxx]

fountain...where do u get your data from??? I can assure u that the VAST majority of guys travelling to Thailand without female company are not there for the temples/palaces/cuisine....Note I said guys...not visitors...fountain please pay attention...read my posts carefully before you reply in your befuddled state......they are there to get stupidly drunk and empty their balls....in that order...

[frequent]

This talk of morals is a joke....especially on a gay thailand forum...please...everyone knows why guys go to Thailand and it sure as fuck isnt tp gawk at temples and palaces...nobody has the right to try and impose morals on me...before long I'll be in a burka

You've forgotten the maiden aunt contingent lead by arsenal - who I read recently is so unbecoming that by his own admission all the cute gay Chinese run in the opposite direction as soon as they see him, leaving him thinking the only cute Chinese men are straight

[latintopxxx]

frequent u r a legend...

[arsenal]

Mr frequent: I have been called many things but a maiden aunt. Really! I would think I have been with more guys in three countries in the last three months than you have in three years. If you ask nicely I can probably count up and give you a number. Fuck you I'll do it anyway. 19 to be precise. Maiden aunt indeed...now, where are my French fancies?

[frequent]

Mr frequent: I have been called many things but a maiden aunt. Really! I would think I have been with more guys in three countries in the last three months than you have in three years. If you ask nicely I can probably count up and give you a number. Fuck you I'll do it anyway. 19 to be precise. Maiden aunt indeed...now, where are my French fancies?

I am indeed flattered that unlike that scoundrel Latin I'm not on your Ignore list

[scottish-guy]

I would never put anyone on ignore.

Like all good queens of a certain age I absolutely need to know what they might be saying about me

[arsenal]

His name is Sexual Deviant Latin. Please show him the respect he deserves. Thank you. And Scottish, I am not of that age.

[frequent]

19 to be precise.

And then they all turned 26 and dumped you?

[arsenal]

If you start mixing up threads frequent you're going to confuse some of the 90 plus year olds on this board. And as I was the client rather than the lover there isn't really any dumping to be done now is there.

[fountainhall]

I can assure u that the VAST majority of guys travelling to Thailand without female company . . .
I suppose we should all be sympathetic that Sexually Deviant Latin has such a one-track mind he just assumes everyone thinks and acts like he does. He can't even remember what he writes! Where did the word solo or single appear in his earlier post? They didn't! One day there's perhaps a chance you may lose all your marbles SDL and then we'll all be spared your silly posting.

[arsenal]

fountainhall wrote:
"I suppose we should all be sympathetic that Sexually Deviant Latin has such a one-track mind he just assumes everyone thinks and acts like he does. He can't even remember what he writes! Where did the word solo or single appear in his earlier post? They didn't! One day there's perhaps a chance you may lose all your marbles SDL and then we'll all be spared your silly posting."

And in an unexpected turn of events frequent seems to have volunteered himself as Sexually Deviants' arsewipe. A coveted job if ever there was one.

[Dalewood]

Wow....after a week's cruise to the Caribbean, this thread continues apace... :-(