An obsession with Thai Money Boys

[arsenal]

You know you are obsessed with Thai money boys when:

1) You check Sawatdeenetwork - GB - Others 3 to 4 times a day.
2) Your personal choice of wank bank material is usually a Thai boy.
3) You spend hours trawling the internet to find pictures of Thai boys in bikini briefs.
4) You can't help but compare money boys from every country you visit to those in Thailand. And Thailand is rarely if ever bested.
5) The words 'New go go bar opens' send you into a frenzy of lustful imagination.

None of the above applies to me. Cough cough.

[latintopxxx]

actually I'm simply hooked on money boys...dont really care about the colour or nationality. Priorities are that they have to be in good physical shape. Will swing from twinks to muscle boys to mature guys. Enjoy them simply because I have something they want...my money...actually get a kick when I know they dont like me and wish they were somewhere else.
Must admit that Thailand comes out tops but thats mainly due to sheer quantity and availability. Brazil is also great, but there is an element of danger and they are not as sub as the thais; another fav is small town america white trailer trash.
Dunno, am able to have very ordinary sex as in no money involved and the other guy just wants my dick...but i simply get a great kick out of paid sex. Actually all my holidays are planned around sex and even do my best to route my work trips via sex destinations.
So yeah..I have an obsession with MB.

[cdnmatt]

I don't know, I guess after Kim I went the total opposite direction. Now I have a guy who won't shut up about things like how it's stupid to pay for bottled water when they have a river at home, and keeps telling me how fun it is to forrage for things like bamboo and mushrooms instead of having to fork over money for food. :)

[Yraen]

Matt, the old saying applies:
"You can take the boy out of the country but you cannot take the country out of the boy." From my observations, it applies no matter which country you are in. :)

[arsenal]

Please. For once. Can we all stick to the fucking topic. THAI MONEY BOYS. Thank you.
Not that I'm obsessed in any way you understand. hehe

[a447]

I'm not obsessed with Thai MB per se; but I am obsessed with sex and the Thai guys just happen to satisfy that need.

But any Asian guy will do.

[cdnmatt]

Matt, the old saying applies:
"You can take the boy out of the country but you cannot take the country out of the boy." From my observations, it applies no matter which country you are in. :)



Yep, and I wouldn't have it any other way in this case. He even lived in a temple for 7 years as a novice monk, because his parents couldn't figure out how to get along, so he's about as simple as they come. Good for me, because due to that I can trust my life in his hands like putty, as I don't really have a choice in the matter now since I'm blind. If he was a greedy money boy, he could have totally fucked me over by now, but not once to my knowleedge has done anything untowards.

There's definitely frustrations though. Try being blind and going grocery shopping with someone like him. Went twice now, and still haven't getten a full shopping trip in yet. I get too pissed off and frustrated, and decide it's best to get out of there before I do something stupid that lands me in a padded room with a strait jacket. Last time I didn't get manage to get cheese slices let alone tons of others things, because dumbass forgot the tablet, so I couldn't tell Google things like, "images for cheese sliuces".

[AsDaRa]

actually I'm simply hooked on money boys...dont really care about the colour or nationality. Priorities are that they have to be in good physical shape. Will swing from twinks to muscle boys to mature guys. Enjoy them simply because I have something they want...my money...actually get a kick when I know they dont like me and wish they were somewhere else.
Must admit that Thailand comes out tops but thats mainly due to sheer quantity and availability. Brazil is also great, but there is an element of danger and they are not as sub as the thais; another fav is small town america white trailer trash.
Dunno, am able to have very ordinary sex as in no money involved and the other guy just wants my dick...but i simply get a great kick out of paid sex. Actually all my holidays are planned around sex and even do my best to route my work trips via sex destinations.
So yeah..I have an obsession with MB.

I want to try Brazil too. How do you prepare for that danger? What are your tips to prevent going with the wrong guy (I mean the guy who has bad intentions towards you; how you prevent dating one of these)?

[latintopxxx]

NEVER host if you live in an apartment block without a reception. I tend t stay either in hotels or if I'm staying for more than a week in apartments that have a reception, usually a sole guard. I always make a point of pointing out the security cameras in the entrance public areas so that the MB is very well aware that he is on camera.
I ask for his ID and photograph it and pretend to email it to a friend telling the MB that I have had issues before. I dont apologise to the MB I simply ask/demand his ID....let him know that I'm no fool, that I'm no cock struck tourist, that I'm in charge.
I make a point of befriending the guard, I dont hide my sexuality, even joke about my dates; make a point of greeting the guard when i enter with the MB so the MB knows that he has been observed.
Another very safe place is public toilets, Brazil is a great place for public sex, in some (not all) public toilets guys will engage in anything from hand jobs to full on anal, have spent many an hour participating or just standing around perving at the goings on. Lots of clubs have areas where sex is almost mandatory; sometimes they ask for cash, usually small tips.
Most dangerous times are when cruising the streets at night on foot looking for MB, keep away from unlit areas.
Brazilians are hot tempered and quick to anger so I gotta be a lot more careful when I bargain them down, but I love the element of danger. Had a situation where I met an 18 year old at a bar, we fooled around for a while in the back area and he agreed to come back to my place for 2 hours. However when photographing his ID he turned out to be 24, so I negotiated a dscount, MB didnt want to leave as he had already invested more than an hour in me so he agreed, but I could notice that he was not happy, kept saying that his age didnt matter because the sex was still good. But I insisted and told him either take it or leave it, took it but was trembling with anger and then got really angry when during the act I kept calling him cheap arse....

[a447]

Most dangerous times are when cruising the streets at night on foot looking for MB, keep away from unlit areas.

Gawd! Who woulda thunk?


Brazilians are hot tempered and quick to anger...

Yep. And I bet the blacker they are the better they can dance. And the bigger the cock.

[latintopxxx]

sorry to burst your bubble...colour has nothing to do with it...in brazil big dicks come in all colours. As for the unlit areas just felt I had to point that out as Brazil is a very intoxicating place and its so easy to start off in a well lit area and then be lured into an unlit side alley. Great cheap sex is available in Brazil but its definitely not as easy or as safe as in Thailand.
In Sap Paulo there is a street called " Frei Caneca" commonly known as gay caneca. Its a very gay neighbourhood and its almost impossible to walk down the road withoiut getting cruised. Lots of cheap hotels in the neighbourhood. Shopping centre on same street is so cruisy that its almost impossible to actually take a piss in the toilets such is the level of activity in there.

[paperboy]

Also in salvador in brazil, is amazing for picking guys up.

[AsDaRa]

sorry to burst your bubble...colour has nothing to do with it...in brazil big dicks come in all colours. As for the unlit areas just felt I had to point that out as Brazil is a very intoxicating place and its so easy to start off in a well lit area and then be lured into an unlit side alley. Great cheap sex is available in Brazil but its definitely not as easy or as safe as in Thailand.
In Sap Paulo there is a street called " Frei Caneca" commonly known as gay caneca. Its a very gay neighbourhood and its almost impossible to walk down the road withoiut getting cruised. Lots of cheap hotels in the neighbourhood. Shopping centre on same street is so cruisy that its almost impossible to actually take a piss in the toilets such is the level of activity in there.


The way you describe it makes me want to go see Brazil. Never been in South America. I will remember your safety tips. I like the idea of copying the ID card and pretending to mail it. This way the guy knows that if he does something to me, my friend will know who I was with last and that he will be the prime suspect. And it is a good excuse to tell him "I need to do this, because I was robbed a few years ago and since then I take this precaution". Very believable and easy safety tip which will work.

I assume that this highly visible gay activity, even in toilets, this is from the lower classes? I assume the middle class and higher up they are more discrete? The lower classes also need the cash more, so they will approach you sooner. In Thailand I have the idea that the lower classes are as well mannered and behaved and as socially conservative as the middle class is. But in Brazil I think the culture gap/behavorial gap between lower class and middle class is much wider. I just can't believe the son of the local phycisian having visible sex in a toilet with a gay man from Europe.

[latintopxxx]

Not so sure about the whole lower class thing, in public cruising areas everyone tends to dress down as not to attract attention from muggers, in most parts of Brazil especially the coast from Rio northwards its warm to stinking hot year round so casual clothes are almost a must.
Cruisy shopping malls/public toilets are busy all the time, peak flow depends on location, city center ones especially busy during lunch time , ones on school/uni have huge influxes of young guys at various times depending on opening/closing times.
Cheap paid sex in North east brazil is easy and whilst not as safe as in Thailand is a lot safer than Sao Paulo or Rio.Last time I was in Recife I picked up a lean twenty year old off a beach, looked like he lived here.
There was a group hanging around the public toilets all looking a bit feral.
Was staying in an aparthotel and agreed on EURO100 for 3 days (friday to Monday morning) next thing he dissapeared for about 30 min and showed up with a huge bag of washing that he needed to do. LOL.
Anyway he was perfect, did as he was told, eager to please performed very well in the sack, and no humiliation was to great. I didnt even have to buy him a meal, simply let him have my leftovers which he would devour in a few seconds. Nothing like a hungry young guy in need of cash. Only ended up paying him EURO 80 as I had to deduct some because he dissapointed me in some areas.
Only wish my work took me to South America more often.

[a447]

Oh, dear. The story was going so well until this :


simply let him have my leftovers which he would devour in a few seconds.

[latintopxxx]

oh relax a447....its only part of the game...letting the " boy" know who' s in charge....like he has to ask my permission every time he wants a drink (can't have him raiding my fridge at will) or use the toilet. I pay so I'm in charge. Simple and its something they understand. U should try it one day. Major boner. and btw i do award little bonuses if he pleases me....its not totally a one way street.

[scottish-guy]

Oh, dear. The story was going so well until this :

With tales of his bit of rent bringing his washing round and eating the leftovers from Latinotop's plate, I think he's getting mixed up between the boy and a certain member of this forum.

If he'd said the visitor also purloined the toilet roll and left a pre-prepared empty carboard core in its place - that would be the clincher !!

:lol:

[francois]

. I didnt even have to buy him a meal, simply let him have my leftovers which he would devour in a few seconds. Nothing like a hungry young guy in need of cash. Only ended up paying him EURO 80 as I had to deduct some because he dissapointed me in some areas.



Oh,oh, did he forget to toss the salad for you?, latinotop?

[latintopxxx]

relax froggy...he not only tossed mine but his too upon my insistence. Anyway never fear...he got well used and I certainly got my money's worth. This was one of the few times I rented for more than a day, I've had house guests stay for weeks....but on holiday I really prefer to sample something new every day/several times a day too.

[latintopxxx]

...and since we have kinda veered slightly off topic...guess yes I am obsessed with MB, only reason I visit Thailand is for the sex...love the availability...the low cost....the huge variety.... if sex was as costly as back home then I woudnt bother...would switch to other locations.

[Couple]

Some people are such a jerks it makes me feel sorry for the boys being involved with them.
Disgusted reading the above story to say the least.

[Blueskytoday]

I agree..there are ONE or TWO in this forum who are obviously "low class men", who use and degrade the working boys..SAD

[arsenal]

Personally I am hoping that if enough members get fed up with Latin and approach Surfcrest with PMs that maybe he'll be banned. He brings this board down to a schoolboy reading a porno mag level. Is that what we want?

[frequent]

Personally I am hoping that if enough members get fed up with Latin and approach Surfcrest with PMs that maybe he'll be banned. He brings this board down to a schoolboy reading a porno mag level. Is that what we want?

The owners need eyeballs on site to justify its existence. Dropping someone who's a lively contributor won't help that. What are you aiming for - a core membership of active posters numbering not more than 10? I think we're already there.

[arsenal]

Lively contributor? Is that how you'd describe the endless trite? Read the posts he writes. A tiny percentage away from a confession to rape, that's what they are.

[latintopxxx]

Rape...really !!!
I've heard of people making mountains out of mole hills...but arsenal u really do take the cake. I always engage adults, no force is used, I negotiate price and activities before hand; and if and when they fail to deliver then I renegotiate.
And who r u to throw stones?? Vast majority of the world believes that gays are,not quite right.... to put it mildly, so who r u to judge.
I can assure u that the MB are used to being used....not everyone wants to treat then like equals and make tender love....some of us just wanna have a good shag and act out our fantasies be they self generated or porn induced.
I've been to some japanese organised parties that make my dates look very ....vey....vanilla.
Board members can have differing opinions but there is no need to make silly comments.

[arsenal]

Sexual deviant Latin: Either you do behave as you say in which case I maintain that your behaviour is as I have said. Or you don't in which case why write it. Either way you are the bottom feeding dung beetle of the Kalahari that is SGT.

[scottish-guy]

The "consenting adults" defence to treating folk like shit doesnt entirely wash with me.

Suppose you had a sexually deviant husband whose wife was totally financially dependent on him and by virtue of that financial dependence she was (I wont say forced)... obliged to perform sexual acts which were humiliating and degrading because she had little alternative as the husband's outlook was "it's my way or the highway"

Technically she's a consenting adult but what would the Courts call that?

[frequent]

That doesn't wash. The boys are not "totally financially dependent" on latintopxxx and I don't recall reading that he locks the door and won't let them depart until they have performed vile acts of depravity with him. Hell, I don't even think he's "sexually deviant".

I do know what arsenal is, however.

[arsenal]

And what is that then frequent? Perhaps you enjoy reading this kind of stuff. There are probably websites (maybe hidden on the dark web) where you can view it to your hearts content. Ask Sexual deviant latin. I'm sure he can tell you.

[Oliver]

There are occasions when some of the guys we meet are anxious....basic things like paying the rent and even getting a decent meal can be difficult . Then there are medical expenses and the demands of parents back home that can be very troubling to a well-brought-up young man.
My concern is that in such circumstance, rare though they may be, the guys are persuaded to engage in unsafe sex as well as demeaning acts. A bad decision following a tearful message from Mama can have devastating consequences. And remember that some eighteen year-olds from the country are not very worldly-wise.
Nevertheless, Latin's fantasies (for that's what they appear to be), are a warning to us all to continue to act appropriately in our dealings with these guys. And from what I know from my boyfriend and others the vast majority of us do so.
What I find more disturbing about such fantasies of dominance, sadism and violence is that they are essential fascist. If you seek out Pasolini's "Salo" on the web (banned when it was released and even more notorious when Pasolini was murdered by a male escort, probably under government orders) and can endure its horrors, you'll see what I mean.

[latintopxxx]

arsenal stop being silly...u must be a tree hugging cardigan wearing vegan. So I like to play with my MB a little...no harm done. I've even had MB come back for 2nd dates. U really mustnt confuse love and friendship with paid sex. I have friends...lots actually...have regular fuck buddies too, but that only satisfies part of the need. Sex to me is not only a physical thing...its psychological too...the mind is the most potent tool when it comes to sex.
I revel in the freedom afforded to me when i engage a MB and the only thing that matters is me...my pleasure only...my needs...and I can drop the polite facade that we put on to deal with society in general.
How many times at work have u wished u could really express what you think but have to bite your tongue and phrase your response in such a way that " feelings" and " face" is not damaged.
Some people are into pain, whips, dildos, dressing up. Some like to be humiliated, role playing...masters/slaves...whatever. My kink is simply an extension of that....in my opinion a MB really has no dignity left, he's available to just about anybody who is willing to pay.
Sure my expectations may be a little high in that when i rent one for 3 hours i expect him as a profesional to be able to take the pace and if he doesnt then take a cut like anyone would if a job is not completed. Maybe u feel uncomfortable with the fact that I enjoy their discomfort in negotiating a discount for their services, that i will paw their body and complain that arse sags so I want a discount or whatever...its a game to me...makes me feel good...its my pleasure that counts. He's just doing his job. Or do you really think that the smile behind the mc donalds counter is real???

[arsenal]

Latins posts remind me of the guy in Mysterious Skin. The one who forces the rentboy to take drugs, rapes him and then smacks him round the face with a spanner. (He's the customer don't you know) His posts are so far away from every single other member here that I simply don't know how he remains.

[scottish-guy]

That doesn't wash. The boys are not "totally financially dependent" on latintopxxx and I don't recall reading that he locks the door and won't let them depart until they have performed vile acts of depravity with him. Hell, I don't even think he's "sexually deviant"..

1. At that moment in time I'd suggest the boy IS financially dependent - he is prostituting himself to fund his accomodation/food/life.

2. I never said LatintopXXX locked the door - but if the boy does not acquiesce in the humiliation/degredation and perform to LatintopXXX's entire satisfaction there is a penalty and he has been very open about that

3. If you do not think that LatintopXXX's peccadilloes are deviant (the infliction of maximum degradation and humiliation, the "riding like a pony", the verbal abuse "your arse is loose like an old woman", the throwing of the money on the floor) then you have a very strange idea of what average people get up to (clue: it ain't THAT)

The other thing I would say is that I'm increasingly sceptical of what LatintopXXX is telling us of his encounters. We all know the boys talk - there is no way his deviancy would not be talked about amongst themselves and his "business" avoided

[arsenal]

Latin is clearly a sexual deviant and he uses this board to further his fantasies. It's not the right place for them. There are websites dedicated to that kind of thing and that's where he and his drivel belong. Or as frequent calls it "lively."

[latintopxxx]

scotty and arseenal
Sometimes I really do feel like throwing my arms in the air and simply giving up. I simply want what was agreed. Example: not long ago...in fact less than a month ago i took in a boarder...english language student, from SE asia, money is tight, he's studying and working 2 part time jobs. lets call him BOY.
So i do BOY a major favour. Can stay in my spare fully furnished bedroom, full use of the apartment, all utilities free, can even help himself to the beer fridge.
In exchange he's mine for one hour a day. Thats right, he's mine to do as I please for one hour a day. Thats what we verbally agreed.
I even have a cleaner...so there are no house duties. Can even get his shirts ironed free if he hangs them out in the laundry room.
immediately we ran into issues, BOY doesnt like sucking my arse...something I love...so I told him to pack his shit and leave...his lips were on my rear lips so fast even I was surprised....he also doesnt like drinking my cum...now he loves it.
A week later a buddy of mine was over at my place for a beer, took a liking to BOY...so I told BOY I needed to collect my rent...problem..in his silly little mind we were like exclusive...again message was pack your shit and leave or service my buddy....he assumed the position.
He's free to leave...even has a key to the place...not like I'm home all day.
But like a month later he's still here...
Sure I love pushing the boundaries...see what I can get away with...like I msg him during classes and he has to meet me in the college toilets to get fucked...because I want my hour NOW. Didnt specify when the hour would be...his schedule is of no importance to me.

Arsenal..u call me a deviant...I think Im all good. Get my inspiration from sites like sketchy sex and machofucker and timtales.

[latintopxxx]

BTW I dont fuck everyday...some days Im just not in the mood or Im tired or whatever...on those days I get BOY to dance gogo style for me and jerk off. I tried to get a credit system going where I could accumulate unused hours but he argued that this is not what we agreed. Clever bastard.
And in case u r wondering this is not the 1st "boarder" I have had.

[cdnmatt]

My big question is, latin, I'm assuming you made him eat the leftovers off your ass cheeks, correct? Youdidn't actually give him the luxury of a plate, did you?

[latintopxxx]

...now u r simply being silly...

[scottish-guy]

I'm amazed that Latintop cant see that he's being abusive.

I fully understand that BOY agreed an hour of sexual contact a day in return for accomodation etc.

Perhaps if you'd mentioned that would include sucking your arsehole (how utterly fucking revolting by the way), gobbling down your semen, and making him do those things in front of an audience - he might not have agreed? Ya think?

He has told you he doesn't like those things but YOU have decided that these activities are required and mandatory in order to keep his room - or you'll throw him out on the spot (no talk of time to find alternative accom).

And Frequentflyer defends/supports this?

[arsenal]

Just how stupid and uneducated are you Latin?

Maybe I like to stick feathers up the boys arse and make him gobble like a turkey.

Maybe NIrish enjoys having them put whiskey on their genitals for him to lick off.
Maybe Christian desires they try on all his underwear until they put on the pair he likes best.
Maybe Scottish gets them to fuck him while he snuggles into a tartan scarf.
Maybe Surfcrest smothers them in maple syrup and uses pancakes to devour the lot.
Maybe Francois asks them to assume the position then spanks them with Le Monde.
Maybe Moses enjoys dressing up a nun for hot passionate sex.
Maybe Old Git fucks them senseless while straddled on an exercise bicycle.
Maybe Oliver uses a squeezy bottle to squirt them with lemonade.
Maybe Fountainhall enjoys blindfolding them and sucking them for hours on end.
Maybe Mancs puts a scary Halloween mask on them and makes them make groaning noises.
Maybe Catwumpuscat likes his boys to act all feline and scratch him.
Maybe Smiles demands they balance upside down while he rims them.
Maybe Neddy3 enjoys nose kissing in the style of the Innuit.
Maybe aot871 enjoys mutual tickling with a feather duster.
Maybe Blusskytoday likes to have an ejaculation contest with points awarded for speed, distance and style.
Maybe mildsevenblue can't come unless the boy disciplines him with a wet towel.
Maybe dab69 dresses the boy in a maids outfit and gets him to clean the room.

Maybe I like some, none or all of the above. But none of us use this board to write our own personal porn pages. Only you do that. And that is just one of the reasons why I have no hesitation in calling you deviant. And repeat my call for your removal from this board.

You made the list if you started a thread on page one and some others I could think of. Anyone not there please accept my apologies.

[christianpfc]

Latintop is an important counterpole to all softies (that includes me) on this forum. He is right sending a boy home with nothing when the boy leaves after 2 hours of fucking instead of the 3 hours he has agreed on. I wish I had a bit more of Latintop.

I would call for Latintop's ban if his storied turned out to be untrue. While not my style, his sexual preferences are acceptable to me; making up these stories is not.

Maybe...
A friend of mine dips the money boy's dick in his beer and then licks the beer off. I've seen it with my own eyes. Actually, I participated once to make sure I'm seeing right.

[francois]

Latintop is an important counterpole to all softies (that includes me) on this forum.


Maybe...
A friend of mine dips the money boy's dick in his beer and then licks the beer off. I've seen it with my own eyes. Actually, I participated once to make sure I'm seeing right.


Softies, speak for yourself Christian, after one Viagra I am no softie for sure!

How disgusting to use beer as a condiment. Much better some honey or a nice maderia or eiswein.

[francois]

Just how stupid and uneducated are you Latin?

.

Maybe Francois asks them to assume the position then spanks them with Le Monde.

Maybe I like some, none or all of the above. But none of us use this board to write our own personal porn pages. Only you do that. And that is just one of the reasons why I have no hesitation in calling you deviant. And repeat my call for your removal from this board.

Anyone not there please accept my apologies.

No apologies, arsenal; a brilliant post, and I agree with you 99% only exception I prefer La Main rather than Le Monde.

[latintopxxx]

christian...if after 2 hours the MB decides to end the date I dont send him away empty handed, I offer to pay half and after some haggling end up with a pro-rata amount. That way the MB walks away thinking its fair enough.
Interesting part is when the MB decides that he's not willing to perform an act like rose budding....then I'll stop the clock and we'll have a discussion as to why he lied to me, that I the customer thast paying is not happy, why he's wasting my time...I explain to him that when he says all that it should mean all and not only some.
Usually end up with him agreeing to perform...minority of cases it ends up with a price reduction.

[latintopxxx]

arsenal...Im not stoopid or uneducated...quite the contrary.
I'm fully aware that the manner in which I treat MB is totally and utterly rude...but thats the whole idea. I enjoy the reaction it causes...how they get annoyed/angry/humiliated.
I know that stripping them of their clothes and then pawing their body inspecting it and making negative comments , comparing reality to the pics they sent me...if the difference is noticeable...start talking about a discount...I know that it pisses most of them off.
Im not stoopid...its the whole idea.
I know that I'm being totally unreasonable when I've got the MB on his back, holding his legs wide open while Im pounding him hard (my fav is long strokes where I pull out past the sphincter then punch back in)watching his face all the while complaining that he's loose like an old woman and that he must tighten. Love watching him strain to tighten. I know I'm being a cunt. But I simply enjoy the way it breaks their self confidence..they feel that no matter what they do its not meeting my expectations.
I know that when I engage one for a 3 hour date that he thinks his part is over after the first fuck...they quickly scoot off to shower as soon as I've cum. I love watching their stupid faces when I sneeringly inform them that we still have 2 hours to go......

However what amazes me is your comments at the end...that because I freely admit to what I do that it makes me a deviant....but that as long as others keep quiet about it that makes them fine!! Wow...such hypocrisy!!!

[latintopxxx]

scotty...my house guest agreed that he was mine for an hour/day. His command of the English language is strong enough to understand this. We met over grindr and had two fuck dates at my place.
He noticed I had a spare bedroom and he enquired if he could move in but that he could not afford to pay much. I realise that he probably assumed that it would only be me making use of his toned body....next time he will be a little more specific..I purposefully kept the wording open/vague as this is not my 1st house guest . Let this be a learning for him.
i even paid for him to have a full std test as I enjoy bare backing him.
Note that he too can play the game as in unused hours are lost, he will not let me roll them over to the next day.....next time I gotta be smarter.
He has full access to my place, its been just over a month and he's still happily ensconced. ....if the situation was impossible he would leave...right??

scotty...again I'm not stupid or unaware of my actions....I know that throwing money of the floor is rude...but I enjoy watching the MB scramble to pick it up...how they have no dignity...I know that its a major taboo to touch their heads..so i particularly enjoy placing them on the edge of the bed, doggy style but with their shoulders & head down on the bed, me fucking them standing, one foot on the floor and the other on the back of their heads. Most hate it...I sneer and happily make use of that butt.

[latintopxxx]

and furthermore arsenal...others like a447 and christian have written about their exploits...but seems like you have appointed yourself as chief sensor and only vanilla is allowed...u probably believe that your parents had sex under the blankets fully clothed.

[scottish-guy]

..I particularly enjoy placing them on the edge of the bed, doggy style but with their shoulders & head down on the bed, me fucking them standing, one foot on the floor and the other on the back of their heads..

Assuming you're not a contortionist, could you at least restrict your fantasies to ones which are physically possible!!

:D

[fountainhall]

if after 2 hours the MB decides to end the date I dont send him away empty handed, I offer to pay half and after some haggling end up with a pro-rata amount. That way the MB walks away thinking its fair enough.
Interesting part is when the MB decides that he's not willing to perform an act like rose budding....then I'll stop the clock and we'll have a discussion as to why he lied to me, that I the customer thast paying is not happy, why he's wasting my time...I explain to him that when he says all that it should mean all and not only some
Your MBs must all have a remarkable facility with the English language to understand all that!


and furthermore arsenal...others like a447 and christian have written about their exploits...but seems like you have appointed yourself as chief sensor and only vanilla is allowed....
As indeed have others, and that's one of the reasons why readers generally enjoy their posts. Where they differ, though, is they do not go on ad nauseam ad infinitum in 99% of their posts so that others are bored out of their skulls! Sorry, that should had probably be 98.75%!

[arsenal]

Sexual deviant Latin:
Others don't give the impression they're actually wanking themselves off as they write whereas you do. In fact the way you write when you go into your pervy 'look at me, look at me' mode is borderline insane as if you're climaxing as you write. Secondly, they all contribute something to this board whereas you do not. Thirdly, with very few exceptions we are bored with your endlessly tiresome posts. Fourth, It isn't, but if this were a straight board and you were writing about women in the way you write about boys you'd have gone years ago.

[a447]

Wow! Four frantic fantasy-filled posts in a row! You're on a roll, Latin.

Problem is the more you post, the more extreme and unbelievable your fantasies become. That's why, for example, I suggested your story on your alleged exploits in Brazil was somewhat believable, despite the total lack of detail - what you wrote could have been written by anyone whether or not they'd been anywhere near Brazil, such was the list of generalisations. But then you couldn't help yourself; you had to go one step too far and tell us you didn't let him eat properly - he could only eat your leftovers. For 3 days!! Really??

In your comments above, first you say this :


That way the MB walks away thinking its fair enough.

But immediately contradict yourself by posting this:


I enjoy the reaction it causes...how they get annoyed/angry/humiliated.

If you wanted him to be angry, annoyed, etc why on earth would you bother to negotiate a fair deal with him??

And like Fountainhall, I have also marvelled at your unique ability over all these years to find MBs whose English is good enough for them to be able to understand all your demands. How do you do it, Latin? The rest of us must be just plain unlucky, unable in the main to find boys who can get past the three basic questions.

Oh, and your story about BOY, your supposed 'boarder," is also full of holes, pardon the pun. Are you saying that he has come to Amsterdam to learn English as a student? Amsterdam?? WTF? That's like me going to Thailand to learn Spanish.

And are you saying that someone who had decided to go overseas to study at a school has done so without enough money to survive? That he didn't do his research and is now forced into prostitution? And that he is so desperate for money he would even "suck your arse"??? And if he's working two jobs, when does he get time to go to school?

[arsenal]

Good point a447. Let's be honest. We've ALL been there when a Thai mb gets annoyed. Hands up, who enjoyed it?

[Surfcrest]

Personally I am hoping that if enough members get fed up with Latin and approach Surfcrest with PMs that maybe he'll be banned. He brings this board down to a schoolboy reading a porno mag level. Is that what we want?
I think all sides of the discussion are necessary. We may not all lean as far over the spectrum as Latin, but I for one am more interested in the sex more so than who I'm having sex with. That foreplay is limited to how fast they can get undressed and kiss goodbye's are waived for the exchange of cash and the call I get from Security once they've left. For the pizza boys that are making the rounds, the last thing they want is to be slowed in their rounds with an offer of a drink...or worse yet, a sleep over. Most of the ones I have over are just looking for a big hard dick up their butt and a bit of cash in their wallet. Anything more than that is actually...less.

Surfcrest

[Oliver]

Arsenal is correct; some of the practices in Latin's fantasies are barely consensual. As I understand it, two consenting exponents of S/M have a code-word that is used when an activity is causing real distress; the fantasies we've been reading about it make no mention of this. What is repeated ad nauseam is the assertion that "it's only a game."
I can believe that its is "only a game" for one of the participants but it is a game for the other? Can he stop it if he is suffering too much? I recall a MB telling me that he was having anal sex with a customer and it was causing him too much pain. The more he asked the falang to stop, the harder the thrusts were- the falang was enjoying hurting him. This was rape, whether or not money changed hands.
I return to Pasolini's "Salo". The Italian Fascists were indeed playing games with the boys and girls they kidnapped but those games included torture, rape and murder. Other posts Latin has submitted suggest that his views on race are far-right and although I wouldn't dream of suggesting that he's a fascist, there is undeniably a link between sexual violence and fascism....which is the point Pasolini was making in his film.

[a447]

But don't worry, Oliver. He doesn't really do any of this stuff - it's just a fantasy he enjoys posting about.

You can see this quite clearly in the fact that he gives lots of graphic detail when describing what he does to the guys, yet when it comes to his trips to Thailand, where all this stuff supposedly happens, there is a distinct lack of detail. When he tries to make his stories sound convincing by including some detail he shoots himself in the foot time and time again by getting basic information wrong. The fact that despite telling us he's a regular visitor to certain bars he still manages to somehow stuff up the description of what they look like and what goes on inside, is surely testament to this. I pointed out a recent post of his where he talked about seeing the guys outside Goodboys sitting on their motorbikes. Clearly this proves he hasn't been in Sunee for years, so all those subsequent posts about his exploits in Pattaya are obviously lies.

As others have pointed out, his stories are just implausible. He once posted a story about how he got a blowjob from a moneyboy at the Hyatt Erawan hotel - in the pool in broad daylight no less! That story gave rise to many questions, such as :

1. How could a MB just walk into a 5-star hotel and ply his trade among the guests?
2. Without a guest room card, how did he use the elevators to get up to the pool?
3. Why would a MB be at the pool at 11am - a time Latin described as being empty of guests?
4. How could he give Latin a blowjob in the pool in front of the pool attendants? And what about the guests who had rooms overlooking the pool?
5. What MB presumably working in a 5 - star hotel accept 200 baht for sex?

I asked Latin for some clarification but as usual, he just disappeared from the thread he himself had started.

That says it all.

[arsenal]

Soloman Surfcrest has spoken. However if I owned a business in Pattaya/Thailand I would not dream of advertising anywhere where boasting about sexual deviant Latins behaviour is tolerated because you're associating your business with it.

Come and relax at our lovely hotel.
I fucked him like a pony until he begged for mercy.

Enjoy a delicious dinner al fresco at our restaurant.
I threw the money on the floor and watched him crawl to pick it up.

Why not enjoy a boat ride round the bay with a traditional Thai lunch.
I treated him like the dog he is.

You get the idea.

[Surfcrest]

In all my time in hotels in Thailand, even many stays at the beautiful Malaysia Hotel...I've never heard any farang riding or any Thai boy being rode like a pony. Provided it is being done in the privacy of one's room by consenting adults...and especially if the boys come back for more later...it sounds like they enjoyed their time and were adequately compensated. That might not be the kind of sex you'd enjoy or any of us apart from Latin, for that matter...but it is happening and for some Thai boys too...it's what they want.

I can only speak of the guys I've been with both in Thailand and at home to know I'm pretty "Vanilla" compared to the masses. I am constantly surprised at how many new asian boys online here are into "watersports", of being peed on, for Christ sake. I recall a stay at the Golden Bear in Amsterdam a while back with a sign on the bed indicating an additional fifty Euro charge for that kind of activity. I'm still trying to figure out what that's got to do with sex and whether even that is more humiliation than...well humiliation.

I'm all for riding my bicycle through the ruins of Sukothai, a boat ride along the klong, dinner on the banks of the Chao Phraya, but at the end of the day it's nice to top that off riding some boy like you're galloping across Texas. Some guys like to follow that up with another date...while some of us wouldn't think of it.

To each their own...

Surfcrest

[arsenal]

You see peeing in quite a lot of Thai gay porn. But let's not give sexual deviant Latin any ideas about what other disgusting behaviour he can regale us all with.

[frequent]

You see peeing in quite a lot of Thai gay porn. But let's not give sexual deviant Latin any ideas about what other disgusting behaviour he can regale us all with.

An elderly friend of mine is taking an experimental drug that makes him pee all the time. He's thinking about offering himself for golden showers.

[scottish-guy]

I hope I'm not misinterpreting Arsenal - but my comprehension of his comments is that it's not so much his belief that LatintopXXX is a sexual deviant that riles him, but rather that he is repulsed by LatintopXXX ramming his activities down out throats (bad metaphor I know, lol) and (in his view) turning the forum into an S&M themed pornographic e-magazine.

Having said that, it's entirely up to the forum owner whether he wants that kind of content on his forum and I'm sure Arsenal accepts that.

However, Surfcrest, I also think that it's very careless on your part to use the term "consenting adults" in relation only to the age of the participants, as you can have no knowledge whatsoever of the discussions or agreement that was struck between the parties and which led to the consent which you have simply assumed was given.

The age of the boy alone does not imply that informed consent can be or was given - especially where one participant is almost certainly much more experienced in S&M themed activities than the other, where there is a language difficulty into the bargain, and where one party is at a financial disadvantage - so I believe you're barking up the wrong tree altogether when you take the criteria for "consent" as simply a numerical age

[arsenal]

Scottish is exactly right. And as long as Sexual Deviant Latin continues to use this adult, gay and relatively decent forum to display his extremely unpleasant thoughts I shall continue to use his new name.

[Moses]

I don't pretend to protect Latin, but is it only for me chat about sexual deviants looks funny at gay forum?

[arsenal]

Read his posts one after the other Moses. Clearly a disturbed mind at work there.

[Moses]

Read his posts one after the other Moses. Clearly a disturbed mind at work there.

While everything is going under mutual agreement, I don't care what kind of mind is working there... when I don't like something - then I just skip it...

It is huge World around us, but discussion is focused on one bit from it - author of this thread... why? Is this "bit" most delicious? If no, then why? Wild life or wild fantasy - I don't care too much. You know, only thing is disturbing me in this - why members are so much like to discuss and gossip about each other?

I used to use Russian forums a lot. Most of Russians don't speak English, so they have a lot of myths about Western forums. How polite western forms are, how friendly are users there. Translated Russian joke about forums:

when you ask question at Western forum - you will get answer
when you ask question at Israeli forum - you will get question
when you ask question at Russian forum - you will get "fuck you and your mother"

Reading SGT makes me sad sometimes and gives me feelings of reading Russian forums...

[scottish-guy]

While everything is going under mutual agreement, I don't care what kind of mind is working there...

The point I was trying to make to Surfcrest is that you are both just assuming there was mutual agreement, because Latin has told you so and because the boy is of legal age. I'm sorry but that is not a tenable position to take.

If you both just read what Latin wrote instead of what you think he wrote:

In the case of "BOY", there was clearly no prior agreement that the sexual activity would include sucking out LatintopXXX's manky arsehole, drinking his semen, and allowing himself to be fucked at Latin's whim in front of Latin's friends.

The fact that BOY was later obliged to allow this on pain of being thrown out in the street is IN NO WAY informed consent.

I have to ask if you are blind?

[Moses]

I have to ask if you are blind?

But you assumingall what he wrote is true.

We aren't in court. And only fact is here on forum - we see some letters on our displays.
If such stories are true - at one day he will find his end on the knife or in police. If stories are not true - then than less we will discuss stories then less we will read new stories. Even trolls cant survive without feeding.

And one more point: it is boring to try to change behavior of mature men, also it is too late.

[scottish-guy]

The issue isn't whether it is true or fantasy.

The issue is whether people who post on this forum about S&M abuse (because that's what it is - LatintopXXX admitted - in fact boasted that there was no prior agreement with BOY to these activities) ought to be permitted to do so.

But...up to you.

[arsenal]

Moses: Either it's true in which case most of us don't want to read about someone doing the stuff he does. Or it isn't true, in which case what is it actually doing here? Either way it's jarring with everything else on this board. And I agree with Scottish, it's up to you.

Wasn't there a vote before on a certain member. What do you think Sexual Deviant Latin? Fancy your chances of surviving a membership vote?

[a447]

Moses wrote:

Wild life or wild fantasy - I don't care too much

Well, perhaps you should. And so should Surfcrest.

My concern about Latin's posts have nothing to do with the sm stuff. I've never criticised him over all these years because I don't believe a word of his bullshit.

My concern, and the reason why I think he should be banned, relates to my belief that a newbie could read these disgusting posts and attempt to emulate such behaviour.

In one post about his allegedly favourite gogo bar, Eros - you know, the bar he is unable to accurately describe - Latin suggested to a newbie that the guys there are very shy (further proof that he hasn't been near Eros) so you need to pull them off the dias and slap them on the butt.

Anyone who follows that advice in Thailand could find himself in a heap of trouble.

[Moses]

You know, admins here are only members who can't use "ignore" button at forum - we must read all. All other members have privilege to use it.

Free speech - is free speech. Unless post breaking forum's rules or is criminal by its content, I don't want to intervene.

And one more idea: too much personal attacking/bitching on forum disturbing me more than single wild fantasia - new members afraid to post in such conditions.

[fountainhall]

too much personal attacking/bitching on forum disturbing me more than single wild fantasia - new members afraid to post in such conditions.
With all respect you seem to fail to realise that is far from "one single wild fantasia". It is the persistent repetition of one single wild fantasia to the exclusion of any other meaningful contribution that has led quite a number of members to vent their frustrations.

Interesting that a thread opened up very recently about Beachlover having recently been reincarnated under a different guise on another Board. The only difference between the two posters, IMHO, is that one goes on and on and on endlessly on a variety of topics whilst treating other posters as idiots, and the other goes on and on and on endlessly on the same sad sado-masochistic theme that similarly raises the ire of other posters.

Both, again with respect, turn off possible new members.

[arsenal]

Beachlover was a Walter Mitty character with his unbelievable posts about his travels and life often accompanying his stories with glossy photos taken from luxury hotel websites or tourist information sites. Regularly interesting and the pictures were always lovely, even though no one believed him.

And yes. As Fountainhall has pointed out. It's not a one off fantasia. It's an addiction to shocking and to getting a reaction. Over time his posts have become more and more lurid as the shock value had to be increased in order to get the same result.

[scottish-guy]

Have to say Moses, it's a sad day when members genuine concerns are dismissed as "bitching"

[arsenal]

I would also add that most of us love this place. It's a wonderful place to come and chat, argue, bitch, exchange info and gossip, pm , have political discussions, laugh. joke. throw insults and yes, to discuss boys, sex, sex with boys, boys who have sex with other boys, sexy boys who have sexy sex, sexy boys who didn't want to have sex etc etc. We are all playing golf here except him who wants to foxhunt all over the greens leaving nothing but a pile of shit in his wake.

[Moses]

With all respect you seem to fail to realise that is far from "one single wild fantasia". It is the persistent repetition of one single wild fantasia to the exclusion of any other meaningful contribution that has led quite a number of members to vent their frustrations.


Gent, let me clear: I'm protecting rights of any member to create threads with any content which is OK with board rules and law.


goes on and on and on endlessly on the same sad sado-masochistic theme that similarly raises the ire of other posters.


And I'm against personal attack and derailing other threads.

While SM isn't my cup of tea, I want to remind you: everyone of us has own "skeletons in rack". So my position is: if you see personal attacks, bad behavior of any member - just click black triangle under such post and we will react on it (may be I should make it red and more visible). As for troll - while troll is living in own cave - just don't feed him and he will die, like died all threads what were not interesting to another members.

[Surfcrest]

However, Surfcrest, I also think that it's very careless on your part to use the term "consenting adults" in relation only to the age of the participants, as you can have no knowledge whatsoever of the discussions or agreement that was struck between the parties and which led to the consent which you have simply assumed was given.

The age of the boy alone does not imply that informed consent can be or was given - especially where one participant is almost certainly much more experienced in S&M themed activities than the other, where there is a language difficulty into the bargain, and where one party is at a financial disadvantage - so I believe you're barking up the wrong tree altogether when you take the criteria for "consent" as simply a numerical age
Only that Scotty, I made absolutely no reference to age, you did. I'm wondering where age ever entered into this conversation before this.

Surfcrest

[arsenal]

Surfcrest: I think you have misread what Scottish wrote. Unless I am mistaken he is saying that 'age' is only one aspect of the word consent. He is not in any way implying whatsoever that any one Latin went with is anything other than a full adult. No one is suggesting that at all.

And it's a little fly of you to try and derail this discussion by choosing to focus on one word.

[scottish-guy]

Bizarre response Surfcrest - saying you did not introduce age into the debate - you certainly DID:


In all my time in hotels in Thailand, even many stays at the beautiful Malaysia Hotel...I've never heard any farang riding or any Thai boy being rode like a pony. Provided it is being done in the privacy of one's room by consenting adults...

My reading of that response is that you're focussing on the boy being an adult (i.e. he is of age and by virtue of that is able to consent) - and I can honestly think of no other way to interpret your comment.

My subsequent point was merely that although the boy is of age, being of age is not the only factor involved in obtaining informed consent - and I really don't see how any resonable person could disagree with that.

[fountainhall]

Gent, let me clear: I'm protecting rights of any member to create threads with any content which is OK with board rules and law . . . As for troll - while troll is living in own cave - just don't feed him and he will die, like died all threads what were not interesting to another members.
Again with respect, both those comments also applied to Beachlover. His posts were within the regulations of the Boards on which he posted, and despite being frequently left to starve, failed to die. He just reactivated yet more old threads and continued to weave his obviously fake adventures. Despite that, he had at least one Board owner actually not only believing him (despite obvious lies being pointed out to him) and quite vociferously defending him. That is, before he was banned from that and some other Boards for being such a total pain in the ass!

[arsenal]

Ok. Well it's obvious that he's going to be allowed to remain. He'll get worse now. Surfcrest/Moses: Don't say you weren't warned.

[latintopxxx]

I've been quiet for a while as I've been a little taken aback at the level of venom directed at me by some posters......and the crazy accusations...some of u guys sound like trump supporters.
a447...I wasnt on a roll when I posted 4 times in a row...was simply trying to address some of the issues raised by various posters...and no I wasnt jerking off...I save my erections for the real thing.
Sex is my hobby...apart from gym/jogging I have no interests outside work...except for sex.
I love sex...its an all consuming passion...I see it everywhere...when I scan a room most people see faces...I see crotches and butts...
I have sex just about everyday...and when I say sex I mean anal sex...not some silly handjob/BJ...I feel like I've missed out or failed if I dont fuck.
When I'm out and about my grindr is always on......I'd hate to miss on a good fuck because it was off...I've fucked in toilets/change rooms/parks...and once I've done it/conquered that random arse....I loose interest...just leave...most times he's still half undressed and I'm already leaving ....
They say like attracts like...and I guess that my circle of friends...not all....but especially the ones I party with/travel with are also a little out there...so my behaviour is not shocking to them.....some of my straight buddies are way more extreme...
I assume that I'm able to do what I do because I take no nonsense...I tire of hearing about MBs that upon entering your room decide they want to spend hours showering and napping before they attend to your needs...my reaction is WTF..like who's paying...who's the boss...grow a pair!!
I tire of reading about dates where the MB after confirming that he does bottom ...changes his mind halfway through the date..like after a few strokes decides its too much trouble...thats just plain false advertising.
Lastly..when I told my free loading house guest (who is still here...) to pack his shit and go when he wasnt prepared to service my buddy...it was on a sunny saturday afternoon...all his shit would fit into his suitcase..and there are like a dozen backpackers a short bus ride away...afterall he was able to move in in a flash...reverse is also possible.
Anyway gave me lotsa pleasure to see him assume the position and service my buddy while I giggled in the background...talking dirty..stuff like " time to pay the rent u little whore".
And again..its my house/my rules....no exceptions..the whole buffalo die send money..doesnt work with me...never has...never will...I would have to see that damn dead buffalo first.
Anyway think I will take a break..clearly my actions/attitude. offend some posters deeply...even causing some to attack the administrators which I think is uncalled for as being an administrator is a thankless task now made even worse.

[a447]

YAWN.

Nothing to see here. Move on!

[Blueskytoday]

SEXUAL guy is Latintopp....I for one don't give a crap about what you like or don't like...you sound like a control freak and attention seeker on this forum....would be nice if you just went away...

[fountainhall]

Anyway think I will take a break.
100 to 1 you'll be back sooner rather than later!

[Surfcrest]

Our goal all along has been to build a better site around the Forum and to allow members to write what they want and to participate with the Board with as few rules as possible. This is what has separated us from the other two main sites. Hopefully, we'll be able to continue along this path moving forward.

Surfcrest

[a447]

I'm sure Latin can find a site dedicated to his particular tastes elsewhere on the net. There was never a reason for him to post his disgusting filth specifically on this site.

[scottish-guy]

You could envisage asking any other person to continue posting but just leave any "disgusting filth" out - but the problem with LatintopXXX is that his only contribution to the forum is the disgusting filth.

[pennyboy]

I can;t remember reading such sanctimonious crap as has been posted here by the self appointed arbiters of taste, It's been like reading The Daily Mail online which would surely describe A447's sexploits as disgusting filth,

[fountainhall]

I can;t remember reading such sanctimonious crap as has been posted here by the self appointed arbiters of taste, It's been like reading The Daily Mail online which would surely describe A447's sexploits as disgusting filth,
The truth is "sanctimonious crap"? That's a new one on me.

Anyway The Daily Mail on-line has been banned in Thailand for a good two years; so we are not able to appreciate the fine quality of its sexual commentaries.

[Oliver]

Expats spared the racists drivel that the The Daily Hate-Mail publishes everyday is indeed fortunate. My reading of Latin's posts suggests that he'd be at home with its immigrant-bashing- his domination fantasies usually seem to involve black and brown guys.

[a447]

.....The Daily Mail online which would surely describe A447's sexploits as disgusting filth,

Firstly, I couldn't give a shit what a newspaper would think about my posts. I don't publish them there. I post them here, on a site dedicated to sex tourists having sex with Asian guys.

Secondly, I can't see how anyone could possibly equate accounts of how I treat the guys with the way Latin tried to make us believe he behaved.

Indeed, even Latin himself has described my reports as being tame, basically unexciting vanilla sex. If he doesn't equate my reports with his own so I fail to see how anyone else could.

I'm surprised, pennyboy, that you of all posters here would draw such a long bow.

[scottish-guy]

Hey Founty - it's your lucky day (or not):

4099

4100 4101

[francois]

Expats spared the racists drivel that the The Daily Hate-Mail publishes everyday is indeed fortunate. My reading of Latin's posts suggests that he'd be at home with its immigrant-bashing- his domination fantasies usually seem to involve black and brown guys.

Back home where? I recall a recent post by him that he is living somewhere below the Equator.

[arsenal]

Pennyboy: If you really can't see the difference between ALL other members postings (often about sex) and those of Latin (one topic repeated over and over again) then no one here can explain it to you.

[cdnmatt]

Ok, so apparently the weather is getting cooler out West, and everyone is a little on the bitchy side? Why the all of a sudden community-wide pile on towards latin? I don't like the guy either, and have voiced that many times, but never seen a backlash like this directed at him.

[arsenal]

CDMatt: A fair question, Speaking for myself. I'm tired of often high quality discussions being spoiled by his pubescent level posts. I'm tired of reading the same drivel time and time and time and time again ad nauseum. I find his level of postings so completely at odds with everyone else here. He contributes nothing whatsoever to this board. He claims so many things and yet there are so many holes in what he writes. I could go on but I think you get the idea. And yes, you're right, to the best of my knowledge there has never been a backlash like this before against any member here which tells you something. It's a very strong group of long term members who are behind the calls for his removal and that too tells you something. It's not about liking or disliking. It's about so much more than that. The child at the dinner party is cute for a while but then you want him to go to bed so you can have a proper adult conversation. We think it's time for Latin to go to bed.

[cdnmatt]

I'm just saying, this is starting to turn into a witch burning festival, and as history will teach us, that's generally a really bad idea.

I'm not condoning latin, and think he's full of shit. Various posts of his are physically impossible, while most others are simply unrealistic. Anyone who has spent a nominal amount of time in Thailand knows if you act like that you will end up as a another flying farang in the newspaper, or worse.
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[scottish-guy]

To be clear - I didn't want him removed - I'd have far rather he'd voluntarily modified his output - but it seems to me he's incapable of posting about anything else other than humiliating and hurting the lads who give the rest of us so much pleasure - 99.9% of the time with a smile, politeness, kindness and without any hassle whatsoever.

It pains me to think that anybody would treat them in the way that LatintopXXX does, or claims to do. I don't believe that there are more than a very small number of boys who would consent to the sort of treatment LatintopXXX alleges he inflicts on them.

Therefore if LatintopXXX is telling the truth then I believe at least some of these boys do not fully understand what they are agreeing to - and if he is fantasising then I for one do not wish to be associated with that kind of perverted fantasy on a general forum.

[frequent]

Therefore if LatintopXXX is telling the truth then I believe at least some of these boys do not fully understand what they are agreeing to - and if he is fantasising then I for one do not wish to be associated with that kind of perverted fantasy on a general forum.
Isn't it possible to have an IGNORE feature in the Forum so you do not even read posts from posters whose views you don't like?

[a447]

To be clear - I didn't want him removed - I'd have far rather he'd voluntarily modified his output

I agree. That would have been the way to go, but as we saw from his last post here, he is indeed incapable of censoring himself,as it was just more of the same shit.

I really think his posts are a danger to guys reading this site for info on what to do and how to behave in Thailand. Follow Latin's lead and you could end up severely injured, or worse, and it is for that reason I think he should be banned.

Or preferably, just ban his sm fantasy posts. We should be encouraging respect on this forum for the guys we encounter in Thailand. Hopefully, that respect is mutual.

All I can say is thank god I never believed any of his stories of domination and humiliation. If I did I would have been out of here long ago.

[scottish-guy]

Isn't it possible to have an IGNORE feature in the Forum so you do not even read posts from posters whose views you don't like?

Of course it is - but that only prevents one from being exposed to them rather than being associated with them by virtue of being a member of the same board.

I do wish people would read what is written rather than comment on what they would like to have been written

[Yraen]

Okay. I would like to inject a sense of balance into this thread.
There is a total signed-up membership of 919 in Sawasdeenetwork. A smaller-than 10% (18) have responded to the thread, as under:

Latintop (17)
Arsenal (22)
Scottish-guy (14)
A447 (10)
Fountainhall (5)
cdnmatt (5)
Moses (5)
francois (4)
Surfcrest (4)
Frequent
/ Oliver (3)
AsDaRa /
Blueskytoday (2)
Paperboy / Couple / christianpfc / pennyboy / Yraen (1)

1. The consensus of the majority of those above seems not to agree with or condone Latin’s personal proclivities.
2. It seems that Latin doesn’t give a damn for other peoples’ opinions and believes that those not sharing his opinions are wrong-minded. It could also be that Latin is acting like a “troll” and deliberately enticing the bait-fish to bite at his “callousness”. Or, as cdnmatt suggested, “he’s full of shit”.
3. It seems that a vociferous few are trying to either bring Latin to their commonly accepted standard of behaviour (who is the arbiter of this?) or have him removed from the board (whatever happened to freedom of expression?).

Gentlemen all (I am casting a wide net :mocking_mini:), the opinions expressed throughout this thread will never convince any of the protagonists to change their views. Therefore, IMO, this thread should be discontinued and closed; it has already been “beaten to death”.

All those in favour, click Like. Let us find out whether a majority exists.

[pennyboy]

First of all A447, of course I don't equate your posts with those of Latin. My point was one person's pleasure can be another's disgusting filth. There appears to be 3 main protagonists against Latin, We even had SG explain what Arsenal really meant in one of his posts and later Arsenal reciprocated by telling us what SG really meant in one of his posts. Oliver even popped up a couple of time to suggest that Latin must be racist and anti immigration. A flight of fantasy but not surprising from one who thinks Celtic supporters are the best in the world ( :-) for Sg ) Anyway I don't think anyone should be banned if they follow the board rules even if a few members shout loud enough. I have avoided using capital letters and bold lettering as I think you are all capable of basic understanding. By the way Mail on line is still available on the App :-)

[arsenal]

Yraen: 23 apparently. It is in the very fabric of free expression to call for others right to free expression to be removed if it is found offensive, so in that respect we're quite within the rules of the game. Always has been and always will be. Perhaps those who wish to receive Latins' posts could press your like button and he can pm them when he next needs a fix.

Pennyboy: While it's true that Scottish and I both clarified what the other was saying this was only because others were trying to put a slant on what had been written that wasn't there. Notably Surfcrest himself.

[a447]

Yraen , as one of the "vociferous few" I have already outlined why Latin's filth shoukd be removed from the board -either by banning him or banning his vile posts. In my case, it has nothing to do with his behaviour per se ; it's about the potential negative effects of his posts on those who visit this site seeking information.

SG wrote:


Therefore if LatintopXXX is telling the truth then I believe at least some of these boys do not fully understand what they are agreeing to - and if he is fantasising then I for one do not wish to be associated with that kind of perverted fantasy on a general forum.

And like SG, I also do not want to be associated with that. And neither do you, given that you gave a "like" to SG's post.

Yraen wrote:


IMO, this thread should be discontinued and closed

An interesting comment. To quote your good self from your post above,

(who is the arbiter of this?)
(whatever happened to freedom of expression?)

It's true that we have 919 members, but the vast majority do not post here. I'm guessing regular posters would number less than 30.

And rather than asking members to click "like" if they want the thread closed, why not ask them if they want Latin's S&M fantasies banned from the forum? I think that would make more sense as you'd get a clear indication of where the membership stands. You may be surprised to find it is not just "a vociferous few."

[fountainhall]

Let's have a new forum rule. Any member continuously posting lies of a repetitive nature shall be banned from further posting. Simple!

[MiniMee]

Who shall be the Determiner of truth or lie?

[scottish-guy]

Who shall be the Determiner of truth or lie?

Certainly not you my dear

:D

[MiniMee]

OK. Then who shall it be?

[a447]

He who pays the bills, I would have thought.

[fountainhall]

whatever happened to freedom of expression?
I love the way those who believe any forum should be completely open to all postings, no matter how much drivel is spewed, always - but always - shout to the rafters “freedom of expression”!

Do these self-same arbiters of freedom always fail to realise that, as with all freedoms, freedom of expression comes with obligations and responsibilities which in virtually all societies do impose certain restrictions? It is perfectly incorrect to say that anyone can say/write anything they want. The rights of others have also to be taken into consideration. As does the law. There is already a prohibition on discussion on one such issue here – and rightly so, in my view. So if there is already one prohibition, a rule has surely been broken and the door is therefore open for others.

Legal systems in various countries do not permit freedom of speech to conflict with certain other rights and freedoms. These usually include libel, slander, pornography and obscenity. Where a legal system might permit one or more of these limitations, social approbation can also be a reason for limiting freedom of speech.

In a forum dedicated to gay men and frequently their sexual and other activities, I guess it’s hard to play the pornography and obscenity cards. Whatever is written, I reckon it’s unlikely any member is going to sue for libel or slander. Sue whom?

So that leaves the social approbation route. In that case, it seems to me that where a majority of members, active or otherwise, vociferously disapprove of a certain continuing content or continuing manner of posting, then the freedom of speech argument is plainly as dead as the Monty Python parrot.

[arsenal]

I would add to fountainhalls' piece. Freedom of expression does not mean you are entitled to write anything you want anywhere you want. It means you can set up your own place and publish there if you choose to.

[scottish-guy]

It's ridiculous to suggest there ought to be an "arbiter of truth", and we don't need to look too far in the past to realise it's even more ridiculous to suggest that it ought to automatically be "he who pays the bills". The last owner would not have recognised the truth if he had found it in Monty's chicken soup (but by the grace of God he found salmonella instead).

The board thrives on opinion and one man's truth is often another man's bare faced lie.

Latin-gate is not an issue of truth or fiction. For those of us who spoke out, it's a matter of whether SGT is a discussion board which occasionally includes sexual content within posts or whether it's a pornographic S&M erotica board on which one single member either plays out his deviant sexual fantasies or constantly relates his deviant sexual activities (take your pick).

Of course the final arbiters of what is permissible (as opposed to judging what's "the truth") is the Admin team - but that rightly does not preclude members from expressing a view

[arsenal]

I would like to see more members actually coming down on one side or another. I therefore urge every member to make a decision on this and make that decision public, whichever side you agree with. Perhaps those of us who want Latin gone will be surprised how many disagree with us. No matter. still climb off the fence and make your views known.

[fountainhall]

It's immaterial to me whether he stays or not. More pertinent surely is no-one should be allowed continuously to post such filthy, racist (yes, they are racist), imperialist, sadistic, demeaning comments. Taken together, these have no place in the right of freedom of expression.

[francois]

I would like to see more members actually coming down on one side or another. I therefore urge every member to make a decision on this and make that decision public, whichever side you agree with. Perhaps those of us who want Latin gone will be surprised how many disagree with us. No matter. still climb off the fence and make your views known.

Let him stay. I don't know if he is speaking the truth or not, but there are many sadomasochistics who are despicable but, nonetheless,may be speaking the truth. If anything just ignore or not respond to anything he posts or just vomit.

Probably trolling and most likely getting off on anything and everything that is posted about him. But, at the same time, I don't recall him posting anything detrimental or slanderous toward any members of this forum?

In the past there have been some posters such as Neal and LMTU who were totally nasty in their posts.

Thus, Francois is off the fence.

[cdnmatt]

If you're forcing to "choose a side", then for me, I sad latin stays. Not because I like the guy, but because I have various principles that are far more important to me than whether or not I like latin's posts.

First, I think some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Is this really that important to you and your life?

Second, I don't agree with mob mentality, and if you yell loud enough you can get your own way.

Third, it's a slippery slope. What happens if you're successful in getting banned, then later on the mob turns against you? I know several members would love to see me banned, because they think I'm full of lies, and don't even reside in Thailand. Who's to say I'm not next on the chopping block?

Fourth, latin hasn't broken any board forum rules.

Fifth, this is a privately run board, and Surfcrest and Moses will run it as they see fit. This isn't a democracy.

Sixith, sometimes it's good to be reminded of the cruel and disturbed individuals out there, because it helps ensure you stay on the cortrrect path, and continue to strive to be a good person.

PS. Sorry for all the typos. Tired, and screen reader can't keep up.

[TaoR]

I have had one nagging question for Latin since this thread was started. Latin has provided a young man with a place to stay and in return the young man must participate, against his will, in some very disturbed activities for one hour a day.

Thus far, the young man has kept his word.

Now, at some point Latin is going to run out of disturbing and humiliating sexual acts to subject this young man to. Further, at some point the "thrill" will be gone...

So what then? Will the young man still be allowed to continue staying in the room that you provide him after you become bored and tired of him? Will he be allowed to continue staying in the room that you provide him after your interest wanes?

Or will you kick him out because you lose interest?

[arsenal]

TaoR: Exactly. So either it's true in which case that's lovely stuff on a public forum or it isn't true in which case why is he writing it. A genuine heads I win tails you lose case Latin.

[Oliver]

If a falang were injured or even murdered in revenge for humiliations suffered by a Thai whom he had taken into his apartment for some sort of S/M session, and the falang had been using a message board to advertise his proclivities, there may be legal implications. And the same may be true if a Thai national complained to the police about his or her treatment.

[a447]

TaoR: Exactly. So either it's true in which case that's lovely stuff on a public forum or it isn't true in which case why is he writing it. A genuine heads I win tails you lose case Latin.

But surely it can't be true. As I said, how plausible is it that a guy would enrol in a school to learn English in Holland?? Wouldn't be be studying Dutch??

See, Latin? You need to think things through before you post.

Oliver wrote:


If a falang were injured or even murdered in revenge for humiliations suffered by a Thai whom he had taken into his apartment for some sort of S/M session,.....

Thank you, Oliver. That's the point I've been trying to make. Someone could get hurt. So the free speech / put him on Ignore argument is invalid in this case.

[arsenal]

a447: So if it can't be true can anyone tell me why his stuff is here because I can think of no reason whatsoever.

[a447]

When Neal ran this board he told me in a pm that he didn't believe Latin's bullshit but he thought he was good for the board - he added interest and something different.

But even he found one of Latin's frothing-at-the-mouth frenzied posts about his S&M fantasies too much for the board and so banned him for a month.

As for his totally unbelievable stories, such as the live-in boarder (who is probably fluent in Dutch by now) they don't bother me. They shouldn't be banned -they add an unintended comedy element to the forum. And to be honest, I just love dissecting them and pointing out all the totally implausible scenarios. Just leave out the vile description of humiliation.

[justaguy]

My two cents, posters openly advocating banning a member just because they find his posts offensive, or because they don't agree with them should be utterly ashamed.

Whatever happened to freedom of speech. Maybe some of these posters have been in Thailand too long, and now suddenly believe the human rights abuses and curtailment of freedom of speech by the current regime are normal and acceptable ?

As long as Latin is within the forum rules, he can post his content freely and should be able to without other members asking for a ban, when one is quite clearly not warrented.

I for one quite often get a chuckle out of his posts, and let's be honest here, this site is about the Thai male sex for hire scene. Hardly surprising that posts like those of Latin appear here. I find them not all that shocking or beyond imagination.

As to respect, sorry but we are not talking about a waiter in a restaurant, or a hotel receptionist, we are talking about people who prostitute themselves for some money because they either like it, or more likely because there is a financially necessity.

In that light, any act of sex puts the sex worker at a disadvantage, not only the "deviant" behaviour Latin is talking about, holier than thou and all of that.

I am not saying those guys don't deserve respect, but let's call a spade a spade here.

Instead of being nasty and whinging about this particular poster, put him on ignore or simply scroll by his posts. Problem solved without showing your nasty side, a win-win.

[TaoR]

The world wide web has spawned so much and sadly it has opened a Pandora's Box...

People can say and post anything; with no filters and no way to verify what they say. I can get on Facebook at any time and read some of the things my friends and family have posted and I cannot help but wonder, "WTF?!"

Facts, truth, and logic have just been kicked to the curb...

4120

"Truthiness" or the idea that as long as something feels right and or fits your narrative its good to go. Taste? Threw that out the window years ago. Truth? Kicked to the curb. Integrity? Who cares.

Latin can and will post what ever he wants, where ever he wants, when ever he wants and that is now the world that we live in. All we can do is to voice our disgust and move on...

Justaguy, I have to disagree with you in regards to your attempt to claim that we are talking about sex workers and somehow their line of work does not deserve that they be treated with decency and respect.

They are human beings that provide a service. As such they are no different than a waiter or a hotel receptionist who also provide a service.

If one feels that because someone in Thailand provides a service that one is obviously willing to partake of then if one feels a desire to punish them, or debase them, or throw their earned tip across the floor in public then obviously one has issues with ones sexuality and or intimacy with another human being.

We are well beyond the point where anything can be done to stop Latin from posting whatever it is he wants to post. But can protest and denounce whatever it is he does post that we find offensive; and we should, regardless of the "truth" and or "truthiness" of what he says.

[a447]

The consensus appears to be moving from banning Latin to just banning his disgusting posts.


hardly surprising that posts like those of Latin appear here

What other posts are you referring to? Latin is the only member making such posts.

How can a sex worker be "put at a disadvantage" if he "likes it"?


I'm not saying those guys don't deserve respect

Yes, you are.You even apologised for saying it.


As to respect, sorry but we are not talking about.....

[fountainhall]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech.
Another of the freedom of speech without the usual responsibilities brigade. Please read posts 112, 113 and 116.


It is perfectly incorrect to say that anyone can say/write anything they want

[arsenal]

Justaguy: I think you've answered your own questions. We are all of us rampant sexually, travelling all over Asia (the world) hiring money boys as though the world is about to end. Not one of us is prudish in any way whatsoever and we all have our own likes when it comes to the pleasures of the flesh. And we find Latin offensive. You really have to push the boat out to repulse your average gay man.

[justaguy]

The consensus appears to be moving from banning Latin to just banning his disgusting posts.



What other posts are you referring to? Latin is the only member making such posts.

How can a sex worker be "put at a disadvantage" if he "likes it"?



Yes, you are.You even apologised for saying it.

Most of those sex workers do not like to having to go with guys twice or three times their age. They enter this business because they don't see another way out. I personally know a few of these guys, and pretty much all of those have expressed regret entering that business.

If they are lucky, they don't encounter people like Latin, but that is a pretty slim chance. Because guys like Latin do frequent this particular business. Even though he might be the only one on here expressings his views in the way he does, he is far from the only one actually executing the acts he is talking about.

Yes even sex workers do reserve respect, but their choice to sell their body to anyone willing to off them, does put the respect part under pressure. Pressure that is mounting anyway, from the bar because they want as many off as possible, up to pressure to reach a certain amount so bills can be paid, mouths can be feed.

[justaguy]

Another of the freedom of speech without the usual responsibilities brigade. Please read posts 112, 113 and 116.

Actually I did not merely play the freedom of speech card, I did mention the forum rules. It seems at least two moderators on here have indicated he does abide by them, so that would put calls for his banning to bed I would think.

[arsenal]

No Justaguy. On this board moderator decisions do not put things to bed unless the actual thread is removed and even then it's likely to mushroom up somewhere else. In this instance that would be likely to be the black money boy thread where Latin has been strutting his 'look at me, look at me, I got money, I can buy you' stuff. Stuff that apparently you enjoy reading. Playing the freedom of speech card, unless you really know the subject and all the implications is a minefield best avoided. Think of it like snake handling, it looks easy but...............

[justaguy]

No Justaguy. On this board moderator decisions do not put things to bed unless the actual thread is removed and even then it's likely to mushroom up somewhere else. In this instance that would be likely to be the black money boy thread where Latin has been strutting his 'look at me, look at me, I got money, I can buy you' stuff. Stuff that apparently you enjoy reading. Playing the freedom of speech card, unless you really know the subject and all the implications is a minefield best avoided. Think of it like snake handling, it looks easy but...............

I actually did read those posts, didn't find them all that shocking. It is what it is, these people sell their body, and he is buying. Not my cup of tea, I prefer not to sell or buy.

But the quote you are referring to IS accurate. No need to soften it up, or pretend it is something else.

[a447]

Most of those sex workers do not like to having to go with guys twice or three times their age. They enter this business because they don't see another way out. I personally know a few of these guys, and pretty much all of those have expressed regret entering that business.

I wasn't talking about those who don't like going with old customers; I was referring to those guys who you said "liked it."

And I personally know of more than just a few guys who, in fact, have no regrets about working in the business. They see it as easy money which can be earned in a very short time.


...he is far from the only one actually executing the acts he is talking about

Justaguy, I don't know how much experience you have had with Thai bar boys. I get the feeling it is limited, otherwise you would be aware that the boys talk to each other incessantly about their customers. He is totally unknown to the boys in the bars he frequents, so it is all bullshit. I've been close for a number of years to guys who work at Eros - Latin's supposedly favourite gogo bar - and they all say they've never come across anyone who has tried those disgusting antics.

I've no doubt there are those with S&M fetishes, but any customer who tried Latin's tactics would be blackbanned immediately. No more sex for him.


Yes even sex workers do deserve respect, but....

Why the word "even"? And why the qualification "but"? It's obvious you don't respect them either and so have no problem with Latin also disrespecting them. So your objection seems to have little to do with "free speech" and all to do with your similar attitude towards the guys.

[arsenal]

Justaguy: Here we are. You, me and others disagreeing with each other. You putting forward your views and me rebutting and vice versa. It's an adult conversation using adult language. Now, pick any member you choose or more than one, go and read a few of his posts and then read a few of Latins'. See any difference?

I would also say I have no problem with anyone doing any of the stuff in post 41 provided it was discussed beforehand and a price agreed. As you say, they are sex workers and sex takes many different forms. However we don't need to write about it here and certainly not in that de-humanising way.

[scottish-guy]

I've read what Justaguy has to say and I was just about to comment on the "sex workers deserve respect, but..." - then I saw not only did a447 beat me to it, but hit the nail on the head.

The idea that a person deserves somewhat less respect because of the nature of the "job" they do is antiquated - and elitist because I suspect that Justaguy would not apply the "but" to professional liars like lawyers or professional tax evaders like accountants.

It says more about Justaguy than it does about any sex worker.

[arsenal]

In fact I'm taking the points Scottish and a447 made further. These boys have sex with often quite disgusting farangs (not me, I'm gorgeous) and Thai men and then send this very hard earned money home to their families. Respect them? YES I fucking respect them.

[justaguy]

I wasn't talking about those who don't like going with old customers; I was referring to those guys who you said "liked it."

And I personally know of more than just a few guys who, in fact, have no regrets about working in the business. They see it as easy money which can be earned in a very short time.



Justaguy, I don't know how much experience you have had with Thai bar boys. I get the feeling it is limited, otherwise you would be aware that the boys talk to each other incessantly about their customers. He is totally unknown to the boys in the bars he frequents, so it is all bullshit. I've been close for a number of years to guys who work at Eros - Latin's supposedly favourite gogo bar - and they all say they've never come across anyone who has tried those disgusting antics.

I've no doubt there are those with S&M fetishes, but any customer who tried Latin's tactics would be blackbanned immediately. No more sex for him.



Why the word "even"? And why the qualification "but"? It's obvious you don't respect them either and so have no problem with Latin also disrespecting them. So your objection seems to have little to do with "free speech" and all to do with your similar attitude towards the guys.

I have zero experience with Thai bar boys (as a customer that is). I don't hire or rent Thai bar boys or Thai money boys, period.

I find paying for sex something that I'm not prepared to do, and so far never had to.

As to people having no regrets, I'm sure quite a few won't, I also have no doubt many more have, pretty much common sense one would have thought...

If Latin actually speaks the truth is inconsequential to me, I'm sure not all of what he writes is actually true, but I don't see that as a ground to ban him, and I'm sure you don't either.

I never claimed they don't deserve respect, however people selling their body do not register as highly deserving of respect in my book, if that as Scottish Guy claims below, says more about me, than so be it. I believe selling your body to be something you should avoid.

@Arsenal, I know loads of Thai and Lao boys who send money home to their family, and they don't sell their body to do it. They make long and hard hours, working in excess of 12 hours a day, sometimes two jobs, just to get by. Selling your body is the "easy way out".

In my view, if you really respect those guys, you wouldn't be buying. Now if that is not food for thought, I don't know what is...

[latintopxxx]

Possums...I'm back...hope I wasnt missed too much...now wipe away those tears(of joy). This topic has thrown me little off balance...as i was taken aback at the amount of venomous sanctimonious vitriol thrown my way...but at the same time have been thankful for the few posters who have sorta supported if not me and my actions..at least my freedom to post what I get up to.
Now one mans trash is anothers treasure...so if some of u find my posts nauseating think of how i feel when I have to plough through another boooooring tale of a447s sad sack trips through boys town/sunnee plaza...full of missed opportunities and mystical vietnamnese boys I think that instead of waiting to be thrown off a balcony I'll just launch myself. So see mr a447....vanillesque tales of woe and missed fucks are so not me.

[latintopxxx]

racist...really...ME!!
I've availed myself of MB arse all over the planet from lilly white east europe...to trailer trash in the US (delicious...and to be recommended) to the former master /ruling race afrikaans boys(please...its a gay boys...meaning at least 18) in Gauteng in South africa.
Ok, so most of the cheap arse happens to be in shitty 3rd world/developing countries...which happen to not be lilly white...not my fault...I didnt create this planet.
In fact my whole humiliation kink was very well fed in Gauteng when I would negotiate with the poor white afrikaans boys who would hang around the parking lots of shopping centers.
So sorry...not racist...I really dont care what colour the MB comes in.

[latintopxxx]

House guest/English language student
a447...the amateur "gotcha" sleuth...I no longer live in Europe...moved 18 months ago...new job...slightly better pay...now live in one of the very few english speaking counties in the southern hemisphere.
House guest...he lives free...no rent..full use of a fully furnished apartment...even gets his shirts ironed if he puts them out. But basically he's mine for an hour a day...usually after hours...but sometimes I like to play games and exercise my power by stressing him by summonsing him at short notice at any hour of the day to a random location by a set time. I'll fuck him and leave. Job done. Gets to stay.
When does he get to leave..?? When I get bored...I didnt marry him...I dont love him. Its sex. If and when I tire I will let him know that he has like a week or two to move on. This usuallu happens after 6 months. ....sometimes sooner if I find a good replacement.
I live in a city with a thriving multiple private english language college industry...there are lotsa east asians looking for accomodation and j(part time) jobs...most not flush with cash...I'm there to take full advantage of the situation.

[latintopxxx]

MB treatment
Sure I accept that some (not all) of u find my treatment of MB offensive...fine.
But I also find it highly offensive and heart attack inducing reading how some of U engage lying devious MB who renege on their duties who instead of performing as agreed either steal from u or take long showers/watch TV/sleep...instead of the happy ending as agreed.

[latintopxxx]

...geez now Im tired...might just take another 4 day sabbatical...

[arsenal]

Sexual Deviant Latin: Welcome back. I didn't read any of your frothy come-while-you-write posts because I've read them before. I'm considering joining a straight Thailand message board and posting your stuff there but changing the he to she and the him to her. Just to see their reaction. Then I can point them in this direction so they can read the original.

[latintopxxx]

...sounds like a threat....should I be worried...cower under the sheets....
...and u do know that there are straight bars in Pattaya that u can walk in..sit down..order a beer...grab the nearest skull ( which just so happens to be attached to a real live female) and get a BJ while u enjoy your beer....the gay scene is positively tame compared to our straight friends...in fact some of the craziest parties have been with straight dutch friends...on holiday in Pattaya.
...and where do u think I got the line " you loose like old womans pussy'...from a straight dutch friend...he picks up street walkers on walking street...and after 20 or so strokes complains its far too loose and old and then gets them to agree to anal..total hoot...his fav position is her on a bar stool...arse stuck over the side..so he can fuck standing..drinking beer..smoking and watching sport on TV...

[Oliver]

I loved the "I'm no racist because I screw anyone, whatever their colour" line. And no sense of irony....delicious. I'm sure that the American slave-owners who visited their slaves nightly and fathered countless "mulatto" children would empathise. After all, they really loved those black bodies. And for a more up-to-date analysis of this view on sexuality and race, why not try Edward Said's "Orientalism"?

[arsenal]

Sexual Deviant Latin wrote:

"..sounds like a threat....should I be worried...cower under the sheets....
...and u do know that there are straight bars in Pattaya that u can walk in..sit down..order a beer...grab the nearest skull ( which just so happens to be attached to a real live female) and get a BJ while u enjoy your beer....the gay scene is positively tame compared to our straight friends...in fact some of the craziest parties have been with straight dutch friends...on holiday in Pattaya.
...and where do u think I got the line " you loose like old womans pussy'...from a straight dutch friend...he picks up street walkers on walking street...and after 20 or so strokes complains its far too loose and old and then gets them to agree to anal..total hoot...his fav position is her on a bar stool...arse stuck over the side..so he can fuck standing..drinking beer..smoking and watching sport on TV..."

The humour for me is to see just how far you go with your insatiable desire to shock. It's good to know that you enjoy the straight bars during your many trips to Thailand inbetween your trips to here and there and everywhere while having a fun time in Florida while living somewhere the boys will service you for an hour a day while earning loads of money while moving countries for a small salary rise while chucking 500 baht at Thai boys while fucking them for 3 hours while using the apps because they're cheaper while offering to buy us with your money pouch while while while while......................Over to you SDL. Fill in whatever creepy thing you want to write next. You have carte blanche from the mods so off you go.

[fountainhall]

MB treatment
Sure I accept that some (not all) of u find my treatment of MB offensive...fine.
But I also find it highly offensive and heart attack inducing reading how some of U engage lying devious MB who renege on their duties who instead of performing as agreed either steal from u or take long showers/watch TV/sleep...instead of the happy ending as agreed.
Yawn! Yawn! Your following post was bang on the button. Take another 4 day sabbatical . . . and then another . . . and then another . . .

[justaguy]

Yawn! Yawn! Your following post was bang on the button. Take another 4 day sabbatical . . . and then another . . . and then another . . .

Why are you guys even advocating banning him ? If he takes a sabbatical after every single day posting, you only have to deal with him about 6 days a month :D

Oh and Arsenal, he's got yo right where he wants you, don't feed the troll mean anything ? Priceless.

[fountainhall]

If he takes a sabbatical after every single day posting, you only have to deal with him about 6 days a month :D
You say "if". Will you guarantee that?

[christianpfc]

Let Latintop stay if he tells the truth, ban him if he lies. I admit I think there is little value in his posts, and now it becomes repetitive, but no reason for a ban (unless he lies).


Let's have a new forum rule. Any member continuously posting lies of a repetitive nature shall be banned from further posting. Simple!
Great idea, but how to find out if it's a lie or not?


Latin has provided a young man with a place to stay and in return the young man must participate, against his will, in some very disturbed activities for one hour a day.

They have an agreement. I wonder if the boy knew what he signed up to, but he leave any time. It's like being a garbage collector, nobody grows up wanting to become a garbage collector, but someone has to do the job.

[scottish-guy]

Latintopxxx has already admitted that when he struck the "agreement" with the boy he neglected to mention the bit about sucking his arsehole, eating his semen, and being obliged to service Latin's friends at his whim while he watches and hurls insults

So with respect Christian, it's more a case of signing up to be a garbage collector and then finding out you're actually expected to shovel shite

[latintopxxx]

scotty....please try to see both sides of the situation. I know that u(and some of your side kicks..yes u arsenal) r determined to paint me as some sort of sm deviant that prevents my partners in play from leaving. Note that its now more than a month since he moved in, 3 weeks since I convinced him to service my buddy...and he's still here.
...and FYI sucking arse (rose budding) is not really out there, it forms part of mainstream gay sex...not at all unusual. ...maybe u find it disgusting but for many gays its just another thing we do.
Sure I knew that when we were discussing our arrangement that he thought that it would be me using him for an hour at home....so I really enjoyed his irritation/discomfort at being summonsed to a public toilet during classes to service me....next time he should be more specific....after all my words were " for one hour/day his body was mine to use"
...again..he's still nicely ensconced in my spare bedroom...

[latintopxxx]

...and Oliver...maybe now we can understand why trump win...when loonie lying lefties like u somehow draw a conclusion that I'm racist....like politically correct gone crazy...as stated I really dont care what colour the MB comes in...have done ash blond Poles to pitch black north east brazilians....all good.
Sure I have preferences when I'm in Thailand...I find the browner/darker skinned guys more attractive...seem to have smoother silkier skin,,,less blemished....does that make me anti-white racist??
Of all the insults and invective hurled at me being accused of being racist is the one that offends the most...simply ugly and untrue...

[fountainhall]

when loonie lying lefties like u somehow draw a conclusion that I'm racist....like politically correct gone crazy...as stated I really dont care what colour the MB comes in...have done ash blond Poles to pitch black north east brazilians....all good.
No doubt that's what the 17th/18th/19th century colonists also said. The colour of the peoples' skin didn't matter. How to exploit them did!

[arsenal]

Sexual Deviant Latin is indeed now on my ignore list. All his crap and nonsense magically disappear. That is where he will stay for as long as I am a member of this board. Try it guys. With one click of the magicians wand and a turd is flushed away.

[arsenal]

And unlike SDL I do actually visit Thailand regularly and have a lovely time.

[fountainhall]

And unlike SDL I have lived here for more than 15 years and visited several times a year for the previous 20+ years. I, too, have a great time. Before having a Thai bf, I, too, had sometimes been with MBs. I absolutely do not believe there is a procession of MBs here just waiting for SDL to abuse them in the ways he has routinely, repulsively described. I also believe all but a very few actively dislike taking part in the practices he says he indulges in. And yes, I have recently been asking around. The idea was met with universal revulsion.

I will not block SDL. I will continue to expose his racist, disgusting behaviour.

[arsenal]

Hi Fountainhall. Would you please show the proper respect and use the full title of Sexual Deviant Latin. Many thanks. Protocol must be maintained don't ya know.

Yes. I know my last post didn't so no need to tell me.

[fountainhall]

Point noted. Actually I don't think Sexual Deviant Latin goes far enough. Control Freak Sexual Exploiter Latin is I suggest more accurate. In psychological terms, control freak is an apt description as it can describe one using power over others both to escape an inner emptiness and disguise an antisocial personality disorder.

[a447]

No, no! You've got it all wrong. He's a fantisizer, not an "exploiter." To exploit someone, you actually have to do something to them. Taking them back to your room would be a good start.

But this hardly ever happens, if you read Latin's own posts.(something his few remaining believers obviously don't do).

Back in July this year he wrote this:


I must have enjoyed dozens of BKK and Pattaya over the last 10 years

Note: not hundreds, just dozens.

Gerefan2 quickly pounced with this post:


Well there you go. Dozens over 10 years.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, so say 3 dozen.

That's 36 over 10 years. Just over 3 per year.

Latin has been telling us for a long while now that he visits LOS 4 times a year and that


on holiday I really prefer to sample something new every day/several times a day too.

So a quick calculation suggests over all these years he has had less than 1 boy per visit!! So the damage had been, well.....kind of limited, although even 1 boy abused is 1 too many.

As I've already indicated, I think Latin's story about the boarder is total bullshit. Latin waited till post #36 to tell his story, which strongly suggests he had only just thought of it. I mean that story is typical Latin and it's impossible to believe that he managed to hold back so long before posting it. It was yet another of his 'wanking and frothing at the mouth while typing' posts.

Latin tells us he is working - as arsenal pointed out, he moved to a far away country in a different hemisphere for a small pay rise. That is at odds with what he wrote recently about being able to buy us all out. Why would he need a pay rise if he is so rich?

And if he really is working, how does he get time to go visit his boarder at school?

And what do people think when they see the two of them go into the cubicle?

And how does he feel when he walks out of the cubicle with an old man in tow in front of the others?

None of this makes any sense at all.

[scottish-guy]

scotty...next time he should be more specific....after all my words were " for one hour/day his body was mine to use"....

Yes, but your words also were that he didn't expect the activities you required and that he didn't like them - yet despite knowing that, you still insisted he comply - and I strongly suspect his revulsion and discomfort actually increased your pleasure.

Now, the extent and nature of your perversion is for you to revel in and your prostitutes to deal with. What's not appropriate (IMHO) is for you to fill this board with lurid tales of your sordid fantasies/real-life activities.

Finally, to describe Arsenal as my "sidekick" is so wide of the mark as to be laughable. He has his opinions on subjects and I have mine, and very often they differ by a wide margin. In your case though, it just so happens our opinions mostly converge.

[arsenal]

I love my ignore button.

Sexual Deviant Latins' posts have taken on a darker tone recently with a reference to where the age of consent is lower than 18. Taken together with his other stuff and what emerges is.........

[Oliver]

It is cheering (and I need some of that at the moment....for obvious reasons) that this lying,loonie leftist has caused offence by describing the fantasies as racist; and there I was thinking that some of us are so thick-skinned that no amount of censure would hit home.
By the way, congratulations on the alliteration.

[fountainhall]

Has Sexually Deviant Latin given us any more obvious evidence of the antisocial personality disorder I earlier described - Control Freak Sexual Exploiter - than this recent post? -


basically he's mine for an hour a day...usually after hours...but sometimes I like to play games and exercise my power by stressing him by summonsing him at short notice at any hour of the day to a random location by a set time. I'll fuck him and leave. Job done. Gets to stay.
When does he get to leave..?? When I get bored ...
Rape is nothing to do with sex. Rape is all all about the exercise of power. I find it disgraceful that any member who admits to indulging in rape in any form has any place on any sensible Board. Sexually Deviant Latin has gone way beyond the limits of acceptability.

[scottish-guy]

Rape is nothing to do with sex. Rape is all all about the exercise of power.

Spot on - and submission is not consent

[latintopxxx]

then everyone who engages a whore is guilty too...do u really think that money boy really likes u and really wants to touch your aged bloated carcass...unless u had the power of cash to force him to do so.

[latintopxxx]

....now even I'm bored....

[Blueskytoday]

IF you were bored, you would stop replying....

[fountainhall]

....now even I'm bored....
So Sexually Deviant Latin who has flooded this Board with so many of his Control Freak Sexual Exploits and in so doing illustrated a serious personality disorder is . . .BORED? And this poster does not know what rape is and, much more more importantly, what it is not? And he seriously believes that everyone else who engages the services of an MD is guilty of rape? How pathetic - and how utterly puerile!

[paulo15]

your aged bloated carcass...
I think you should give most of the posters on this board the benefit of still being alive, however tenuously, or is this a Freudian slip and we can add necrophilia to your catalogue of sexual deviancy?

[arsenal]

I love my ignore button.

As this thread has progressed it has been interesting to watch Sexual Deviant Latin turn from a look at me i big white man i got money swaggering character into a sniveling wretched puddle of piss. (I can only see the quotes posted by others but the implication is clear) My work here is done.

[a447]

....to touch your aged bloated carcass...

Can we presume that you include yourself in that description?

[justaguy]

Carry on, amusing.

[scottish-guy]

Carry On Amusing - is that the new one they keep talking about?

[a447]

Hey, Justaguy. Why did you reply to my post. Afterall, it wasn't about you - it was about Latin.

So yes, please carry on. Very amusing indeed!

[gerefan2]

....now even I'm bored....

Dont you mean borING?

[justaguy]

Hey, Justaguy. Why did you reply to my post. Afterall, it wasn't about you - it was about Latin.

So yes, please carry on. Very amusing indeed!

Hmm, NOW I am specifically replying to your post. My previous post was a reply to the thread and was not pointed at you specifically.

Surely you know the difference..

[loke]

Only Arsenal and a few other posters are active on Sawatdee , the rest of us just come and visit from time to time . In my case it's been 3 months. Not much to read in topics like these. The Gaybutton forum is better , and more informative, just my 2 cents .

[francois]

In my case it's been 3 months. Not much to read in topics like these. The Gaybutton forum is better , and more informative, just my 2 cents .

Loke, I am assuming you are speaking of the "where to find a turkey in Pattaya" ?
Extremely informing if you are a turkey.