Could some of you quit being such creeps?

[cdnmatt]

Really, just because he's on an app like Grindr and happens to have brown skin, doesn't mean it's ok to ask him how much for a short-time, or how much to make a video, etc.

Seriously, would it kill you to spend 5 minutes of your life to figure out if he's a money boy or not?

Some of these guys are doctors who just bought a house... and some are so poor they're having bamboo and snails for dinner, but aren't willing to take their pants off for any amount of money. And every thing in between.

[scottish-guy]

Well said Matt - and am I the only one who has found the Privateboysmovies thread fucking disgusting - with some elderly men clearly salivating over young Asian boys being penetrated as roughly as possible with maximum humiliation?

There is something seriously wrong with people who get off on such stuff - "perverts" is not an adequate word

[Nirish guy]

Oh please - whilst I'm all with you all the way CDNMATT on people not instantly assuming and rushing to judge guys without speaking to them first etc - 100% with you there - but please... SG, OMG less of the overblown indignation perhaps, as on this site more than most even you should know already that one mans pervert is just another mans sex partner and to brand people "perverts" just for liking ( what I assume is) fully legal, fully consensual porn is a bit much.

Hell many people would happily cast your good self ( or my good self for that matter) in that very same "pervert" vein just for having Asian BF's half our age or whatever and to them I would say the same as I'm saying to you - that's nonsense and what other people enjoy (legally) is no one else's business and certainly doest warrant them being branded a "pervert" just because it's not someone else's cup of tea so to speak - and ESPECIALLY not on THIS board I would have thought!

[scottish-guy]

I'll have you know Nirish guy that if my current or any future BF was only half my age I'd be extremely disappointed and sad.

I'm perfectly entitled to be hypocritical, hysterical, prone to wild exaggeration, and to blowing things out of all proportion - it's all part of being gay and fabulous.

In fact it should be mandatory.

[Nirish guy]

ha ha on this board I thought most of those things already were !!!

And for the record as my bf is just less than half my age I consider you nothing but a vile pervert who preys on young poor inexperienced asian guys and uses them for your own selfish pleasures ! - Actually hold on, I was joking but most of that could well be TRUE ! ( well apart from the poor and inexperienced parts I'm guessing :-)

[scottish-guy]

Ha!

In this 7yr relationship I strongly suspect it's ME who's inexperienced and it's DEFINITELY me who's now fucking poor!

:cool:

[RiceConnoisseur]

... and am I the only one who has found the Privateboysmovies thread fucking disgusting - with some elderly men clearly salivating over young Asian boys being penetrated as roughly as possible with maximum humiliation? .... "perverts" is not an adequate word

Wow, I'm new to this board and I commented on the PBM thread, but I'm not sure if I'm one of those "elderly" "perverts"? I'm 31, and yes, I'm love younger Asian guys, and yes I'm usually well-off compared with them, mainly due to my expat salary level. And I love to watch the movies from PrivateBoyMovie. I don't think there is anything humiliating about a young Thai guy and a white man having hardcore, ass-pounding sex in front of a camera. On the contrary, I think it really exciting and beautiful when a beautiful Asian young bottom boy has sex with a bigger white guy.

Isn't it the politically correct ghost haunting us here, telling us that it's wrong that an older (presumably richer! Uhhh!) white male is not allowed to be the top in bed with a younger, beautiful (and presumably poorer) non-white guy (or girl for that matter)? That many of us are lost in this politically correct mind trap where we judge each other and make political things out of things that are in fact more to be treated as aesthetics? And we totally forget that sex is about enjoyment and mutual attraction, wild desires, opposites that attract..? Sex is by definition colliding with all ideals of political correctness. Politically correct porn would probably be the most boring kind of porn that was ever produced.... so yes, I love PBM and I'm proud to say it. I know the guy can be a bit too rough in his early movies, but in his later works I think he has found the right balance.

[Steve1903]

Works both ways matt. I get messages from young guys who are only guessing that I am some perverted old white guy who is willing to pay them to go to bed with them when there is nothing on my profile to suggest I am. How very dare they - even if they did guess well.

and I'm not even talking about some poor asian guys, I'm talking about guys on grindr here in Scotland.

[cdnmatt]

Well said Matt - and am I the only one who has found the Privateboysmovies thread fucking disgusting - with some elderly men clearly salivating over young Asian boys being penetrated as roughly as possible with maximum humiliation?

There is something seriously wrong with people who get off on such stuff - "perverts" is not an adequate word

Ohhh, nothing to do with he Privateboymovies thread. Those actors were clearly prostitutes, I'm assuming they got paid what was agreed upon, so whatever...

It's I find myself apologizing on behalf of all white people more than I would like. Us faranga don't exactly have the greatest stereotype around, so sometimes I end up having to go the extra mile to convince people I'm a nice guy. People will naturally be afraid of me at first, simply because I'm white. I have loads of examples, but here's a prime one...

Nanotechnologist at the KKU. From a poor Issan village, but happens to be really fucken smart, so was awarded a full scholarship to med school. From the looks of things, next year he's getting transferred to Oxford of all places in the world to continue his research.

And some farang dipshit decides it's a good idea to ask him how much it'd cost for him to film himself soaping up his body in the shower.

Stay classy, guys...

[Nirish guy]

So, how much was it then ??

Lol Joke !!!!!

And yes the poster above is also correct that it's not always us "old" white guys who are the ones who make assumptions as I too get the "would you like Sex for money type messages from 25 year old guys - to which I always reply "ok, but I'm £100 an hour outcall only" which usually shuts them up.

Or likewise ( and thankfully my BF who used to accuse me of always being the one chasing young guys on Grindr ( how very DARE he) well even he's now witnessed enough 20 and 21 year old type guys messaging ME for random free sex ( and trust me I'm no oil painting !) to now accept that it's not all a one way street when it comes to who are the biggest "pervs" out there ( thank god I say !)

[latintopxxx]

now we have racism accusations flung around, what a hoot. I really dont care what colour they are, from my previous posts its well known that im a globe trotting MB conniseur and my tastes encompass brown/yellow skinned Asians, white/coffee coloured Brazilians to blond/red haired East europeans.
And yes, lots of my grindr messages are MB selling their sexual services who have the audacity to assume that I pay for sex. The NERVE!!
So some of us enjoy that master/servant fantasy....so what?? Im sure that the MB have seen it all and done it all and most of their indignation is play acting.
If some tart agrees to meet up with me for a 2 hour "sex date" and has agreed that he does everything I have asked for before hand...then I expect that...and if I dont get it I do get highly (play acting) annoyed...and im not afraid to show it.

[cdnmatt]

Ok, your basic comprehension level seems to be lacking a little.

If they're a hooker, then ok... agree on a price & location, hook up, etc. No problem.

But if it's for example, with a nanotechnologist, asking how much for a soapy shower video crosses the line a little, don't you think?

And that's just the most absurd example. I have loads of examples. Some of these guys are poor as dirt, but they're not willing to take their pants off for you just because you happen to have 10,000 baht in your wallet.

If you can't figure out how to distinguish between who is and isn't a MB, then stick to the gogo bars. It makes it easy for you.

[arsenal]

Moral high ground Matt? Be careful up there. It's a long fall down.

[cdnmatt]

Moral high ground Matt? Be careful up there. It's a long fall down.

No, not too worried about falling, because as it turns out, I'm not an asshole.

Really, even when I just get together with a hooker, I sometimes have to chat with them an extra 15 minutes to convince them I'm a decent guy who isn't going to rape them.

And those are the hookers. Not to mention the couple guys I do genuinely care about. They tell me lots of neat stories, so it's no surprise us white folk have a pretty shitty stereotype here in Thailand.

[Gaybutton]

cdnmatt, I agree with the point you made in your OP, but how would you know what other people are saying to these boys on the hook-up sites?

[cdnmatt]

but how would you know what other people are saying to these boys on the hook-up sites?

Because they tell me?

[fountainhall]

Because they tell me?
If a guy I am chatting with is not a money boy, I find he will often tell me he is tired of some farang who just assume he's looking for cash. Unless a guy says he is a masseur or an MB in his profile or states he is looking for cash within the first few exchanges, I think it is wrong to assume that his services can be bought (with Pattaya perhaps an exception).

[Marsilius]

...Isn't it the politically correct ghost haunting us here, telling us that it's wrong that an older (presumably richer! Uhhh!) white male is not allowed to be the top in bed with a younger, beautiful (and presumably poorer) non-white guy (or girl for that matter)? That many of us are lost in this politically correct mind trap where we judge each other and make political things out of things that are in fact more to be treated as aesthetics? ...Sex is by definition colliding with all ideals of political correctness. Politically correct porn would probably be the most boring kind of porn that was ever produced....

For those of us somewhat older than you, RiceConnoisseur, Political Correctness has actually helped bring about some real positive changes in our lives.

While probably nothing will ever eradicate entrenched bigotry from a small minority of people, Political Correctness has been a big factor in eliminating the very widespread casual racism, sexism and homophobia that pervaded society until, I would say, the 1990s. I well recall that, in the UK in the 1960s, racist attitudes - not necessarily meant to be nasty but very much of the "them and us" variety - were the norm, even among otherwise very pleasant people. With the introduction of the Race Relations Act, preventing people from expressing racist views in public, first a general consciousness and then a consensus gradually developed that racism was wrong. Subsequent similar PC legislation also led public opinion away from knee-jerk negative assumptions about women and, latterly, gay people.

Political Correctness gets a bad press these days. Sometimes it may seem to go too far - but that's what the racists said in the 1960s and one man's "too far" is another man's "that's the right thing to do". I, for one, raise a glass to PC for the success it's had in making the expression of anti-gay (and racist and sexist) attitudes unacceptable to increasingly large numbers of people. And once people don't hear others expressing such views as commonplace, those views themselves gradual cease to be majority opinion and instead become those of an increasingly isolated and despised minority.

[cdnmatt]

It has nothing to do with politcal correctness. It has to do with being a decent human being.

I mean, if you're in Pattaya and some cute 22yo hits you up and says how much he wants to meet, them ok... that would be a hooker, and have fun.

But if you're some asshole just cruising around Issan, chatting up guys at various universities, then at least have the common decency to get to know them a bit before you ask "how much?".

[christianpfc]

Unless the profile says or gives strong hints that he is a money boy, I don't talk about money or sexual activities (but reply if the boy starts) and don't offer money.


But if it's for example, with a nanotechnologist, asking how much for a soapy shower video crosses the line a little, don't you think?

And that's just the most absurd example. I have loads of examples. Some of these guys are poor as dirt, but they're not willing to take their pants off for you just because you happen to have 10,000 baht in your wallet.

Does he write in his profile that he is a nanotechnolgist? Regardless of that, I have met plenty of boys who go to university, but ask for money for sex.

On the other hand, there are some who are not interested or ask for unreasonable amounts. One boy rejected an offer of 500 three times (weeks apart) and asked for 1000. I asked a boy Y who went with me for 500 several times about his friend N: N is not interested.

In April I was chatting with a boy for a while, and before making the trip from Sathorn to Pinklao to meet him, I asked if he is a moneyboy (if yes, I would have cancelled). He was indignated.

And then there are boys who divulge that they are moneyboys late in chat or even only when you meet. My favorite example is the boy I hooked up with in DJ-station in 2013, we went to his room in Sathorn (I was living far away at that time), and when we were undressed to underwear, he told me he is a money boy. I got dressed, said goodbye and left.

This online dating, with or without money, is full of traps for both side.


Really, even when I just get together with a hooker, I sometimes have to chat with them an extra 15 minutes to convince them I'm a decent guy who isn't going to rape them.

I never had any problem with money boys. But boys who are not (or just didn't tell me) can be difficult, I clearly remember just two cases in all the years, in one case I gave up, the other is reported here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2015/09/dating-thai-boys-35-it-can-be-exhausting.html

Your profile must be pretty creepy, if you have problems convincing to hookers to meet you!

[Nirish guy]

if you're in Pattaya and some cute 22yo hits you up and says how much he wants to meet, then ok... that would be a hooker....

Wow so we've gone from its wrong to assume a guys a hooker without talking to him first to "if he's young ( and in Pattaya) he "must" be a hooker" ......so, we've gone to now being both assumptive AND ageist - and there you were doing so well too until you just undid all your own good work about not instantly judging people :-)

[RiceConnoisseur]

For those of us somewhat older than you, RiceConnoisseur, Political Correctness has actually helped bring about some real positive changes in our lives.

Thanks for the reply and it actually makes sense - also for a 30-something-year-old guy like me :-)

I think maybe in my first post I should have made it more clear that I wasn't objecting to the original post of the thread - that one should't assume that all younger Asian guys are money boys. It was the second post in the thread I didn't like, in which my favourite porn pay site (PrivateBoyMovie) was suddenly attacked as well. I didn't really see the link between those two subjects - a perfectly legal and very popular interracial gay porn pay site featuring beautiful Thai twinks having sex with an older well-endowed white guy - and the "bad manners" among some farangs who assume that each and every Thai boy approaching a white guy for whatever reason is a money boy or a potential money boy. Those two things have nothing to do with each other.

[cdnmatt]

Christian, maybe I'm totally in the wrong here, but aren't you the type of creepy farang I'm talking about? You even wrote a whole blog post once about how you almost got mugged, because you were quite persitant in offing some random stranger at a public park in Bangkok. You wouldn't take no for an answer, so they got pissed off, and you almost got mugged out of the ordeal.

Please don't do that type of thing.

If you're somewhere like Pattaya, then it's one thing, because that's basically the world's largest brothel house.

I... I don't know. It's not hard. Ok, the cute 22yo guy from Udon Thani who wants to come to Khon Kaen to meet me without even asking my name? Ok, he would be a money boy. I don't even have to ask him.

The cute 25yo going to MSU who seems like he's happy to just chat? Who the fuck knows... don't go under the assumption he's for sale though, please.

[fountainhall]

a perfectly legal and very popular interracial gay porn pay site featuring beautiful Thai twinks having sex with an older well-endowed white guy
Not sure how legal it is in Thailand!

I had considerable concern when a young guy who worked in Classic Boys appeared in that series. I had got to know him a bit in the bar and was aware that, being new to the business, he did not enjoy being a bottom, a point which he would make when chatting with customers. You probably then ask what on earth was he doing in a twink bar - and that's a fair point. Obviously it was for cash, which is no doubt what tempted him to agree to appear in the vdo. Yet it is perfectly obvious when you watch it that he is hating every minute. Not once is there anything approaching a smile and at one point there seems to be near fear in his eyes. He quit the gogo business after that. He was a cute and really nice guy who made a wrong choice, and it turned me right off that series.

[cdnmatt]

Wow so we've gone from its wrong to assume a guys a hooker without talking to him first to "if he's young ( and in Pattaya) he "must" be a hooker" ......so, we've gone to now being both assumptive AND ageist - and there you were doing so well too until you just undid all your own good work about not instantly judging people :-)

Well dude, it's Pattaya. Everyone knows why people (workers and tourists) go to Pattaya. For the nice golf courses, obviously. :)

No problem with it. Heck, I wish I could head to Pattaya for a week vacation, but I'm assuming my dogs would get a little thirsty while I'm away.

But if I'm in Pattaya, and a cute 55kg 21yo starts chatting me up, I'm pretty sure it's not because he's looking for a friend to have coffee with.

[scottish-guy]

I admit I partially hijacked Matt's thread but I believe its part of the same thing : respect

I have no problem with 40/50/60yo white guys fucking asian twinks - what I have a dislike for is the rough, humiliating way in which the boys are penetrated in the Privateboys movies - with the boys being ordered (presumably on pain of not being paid) to expose their battered and gaping arseholes after the "deed" has been done.

I'm sorry if people disagree but I just find that humiliating, sick, and yes - perverted

:(

[latintopxxx]

the thread seems to be all over the place now. I have NO problem getting MB to meet up with me. I will never force a MB to perform a sexual act which he is not happy with, like I would never try to fuck him if he's not a bottom. When in BKK and Pattaya I would say that 99% of the grindr messages I get from A1 class "boys" are MB who self identify without any prompting from my side.
To call me a creep due to the fact that I enjoy dominating a MB is well....an opinion!!
If he agrees to meet up claiming to be a bottom and cant handle a good arse pounding well that really is his problem and not mine. Im not talking about using dildos or fisting or any objects besides my dick.
I do enjoy the look of "surprise" on a MB face when he realises that he;s in for a 2 hour intensive session and that we're not here to make love or cuddle.
Really dont think I'm crossing the line with any of my activities, he's a MB, a whore, and he's job is to satisfy me. he's needs or pleasure are immaterial unless one gets pleasure out of his pleasure, I dont, I want him to know he's being used.
One could claim that its mental/phsycological abuse.....but nah!! I reckon that just admitting u r a MB already places u in a subservient position.

[latintopxxx]

scotty boy....do u really believe that the performers dont know what they r signing up for??
Fountainhall....u always seem to have a sob story.

[cdnmatt]

Latin, no... no problem if he's actually a MB. Well, with how you purport treat them, yeah... whatever. Nonetheless, that would be a MB, so good to go.

Issue is, seems as though some farangs go to Pattaya and places on vacation, have sex 3 times a day, etc. When they're horny, they just go to the local massage shop, or go-go bar, or whatever. No problems at all with that, and it's great fun. I've done it lots myself, and it's an awesome time.

Problem is, sometimes you guys end up up here, and export that ideology. For some reason, in some people's thick skulls you believe just because it's so easy in Pattaya, then every cute, brown skinned guy in Issan must be for sale.

This causes me to have to resort to phrases such as, "I'm sorry, but please know, I'm not like those other farangs" and more. It's kind of embarrassing.

[latintopxxx]

Agree....mostly. But I have been known to proposition 7/11 employees on a slow afternoon when there are no/few customers and they have made an effort to chat with me. I dont offer money but invite then back to my room and have had some success with this. Funnily enough the ones that agree almost all end up expecting a reward!!!! So even when I try to cruise one in the " normal" way it still ends up being a MB. Must admit the ones I chat are usually gorgeous/fit specimens....so that could also be to blame. Not like I'm gonna waste my time with mr average joe from next door.

[arsenal]

Actually Matt, Pattaya has some absolutely stunning golf courses. Breathtaking in fact.

[cdnmatt]

Actually Matt, Pattaya has some absolutely stunning golf courses. Breathtaking in fact.

I know it does. Tiger Woods even played in Pattaya before I think, right? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the PGA had an event there years ago.

Nonetheless, don't tell me everyone is visiting Pattaya for the golf courses and temples. :)

[fountainhall]

Fountainhall....u always seem to have a sob story.
I have plenty of racier ones but unfortunately I just cannot compete with all your exciting adventures. ;)

Whilst on the sad theme, though, one of the cutest boys who worked at the old Solid Bar for a couple of years is now seriously ill. He can only just be 25 and I'm told from a friend that the prognosis is not good.

[fountainhall]

For those of us somewhat older than you, RiceConnoisseur, Political Correctness has actually helped bring about some real positive changes in our lives
There is an interesting article in today's Observer in the UK -


Last week a survey (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/01/us-survey-shows-dramatic-rise-in-acceptance-of-same-sex-relationships) of 33,728 Americans published in the journal Archives of Sexual Behaviourstated that there had been a huge increase in the number of people reporting same-sex experiences, and alongside this, a greater acceptance of people’s sexuality. The study concluded that 49% of all adults and 63% of millennials “expressed tolerance of these relationships”.
“It’s clear that people under a certain age are much more comfortable not just with same-sex relationships but with bisexuality, gender-fluidity and all sorts of other ways of living that fall outside the traditional binaries of straight and gay, male and female”
As Marsilius points out, the changes since those of us of an older generation were growing up are virtually seismic.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/04/same-sex-relationships-gender-fluid-queer-kristen-stewart

[RiceConnoisseur]

I have no problem with 40/50/60yo white guys fucking asian twinks - what I have a dislike for is the rough, humiliating way in which the boys are penetrated in the Privateboys movies - with the boys being ordered (presumably on pain of not being paid) to expose their battered and gaping arseholes after the "deed" has been done.

I'm sorry if people disagree but I just find that humiliating, sick, and yes - perverted
:(

I think I know what kind of PBM clips you're referring to - some of them are flowing around in the free video tube sites. Especially one that I really don't like, with this "exposure" part in the end. SO I actually agree that some of this PBM guy's early movies were just too much, meaning that he was too rough with the Thai guys he fucked - and the fisting scenes are to me a TOTAL turn-off. But it actually looks to me like he changed his style and strategy from his early works to later movies, maybe based on feedback from his paying customers? Luckily, very few white guys with an interest in Asian bottom boys like to dominate their sex partners that way. The humiliating part is a total turn-off for the vast majority of the potential customers to such a pay porn site, I hope.

The movies he decided to include in his second version of his website (the current one, which is no longer updating) are different from the first videos. He's now what you would call a just an ordinary, but slightly dominant white top, fucking cute Thai twinks (and a few other nationalities, Pinoy, Myanmar etc.), and yes, the roles are clear in the movies: The Asian boys suck his big white sausage and they get pounded long and hard, but the humiliating part is gone. Those older movies where you had doubts if the twinks enjoyed it at all (or maybe really disliked it), were not included in the second version, and that I see as a sign that he might found out that this is really not something his audience encouraged or liked to see.

Like most gay farangs here, I love and cherish the beautiful, sexy Thai boys - I don't wanna hurt them or humiliate them. Never ever! I wanna love them.

[cdnmatt]

You seem to know how the owner of PBM's mind works quite well. :)

[RiceConnoisseur]

I had considerable concern when a young guy who worked in Classic Boys appeared in that series. I had got to know him a bit in the bar and was aware that, being new to the business, he did not enjoy being a bottom, a point which he would make when chatting with customers. You probably then ask what on earth was he doing in a twink bar - and that's a fair point. Obviously it was for cash, which is no doubt what tempted him to agree to appear in the vdo. Yet it is perfectly obvious when you watch it that he is hating every minute. Not once is there anything approaching a smile and at one point there seems to be near fear in his eyes. He quit the gogo business after that. He was a cute and really nice guy who made a wrong choice, and it turned me right off that series.

Not sure which model you are referring to here?

I think it's hard in commercial gay porn to judge who of the participants are enjoying what they are doing and who are not enjoying it. I'm a total top myself, and I have real difficulties putting myself in the place of a bottom boy.

I recall one video with a model called 'San' who seems really to love getting pounded, but in the end it gets too much even for him, so he signals very discretely to the white guy that he has had enough for the night - and the white guy immediately stops and pull out ... like I would do as well, and all other farangs as well. In another video, with a model called 'Jack' he seems to be very shy, a bit reluctant or even a bit upset in the beginning, but when he gets the big white thing upside his butt, when his cock becomes rock hard and remains so for the remaining 15 minutes of the video .. even though he gets pounded really hard. It's really hard for me as a top to judge who's enjoying it and who's not in a commercial gay porn video - first of all, because the actors mainly to it for money, but I assume that there are other ways to make money in the tourist areas of Thailand that to appear in gay porn movies if gay sex and gay porn really something you HATE more than anything else in this world.

[RiceConnoisseur]

You seem to know how the owner of PBM's mind works quite well. :)

haha ... no, I don't know what's in and on his mind, but I can see that he changed his style from the early movies (which gave him a somewhat bad reputation among the other farangs in Thailand, it seems) and his later movies where he seems to behave a little more like a gentleman and not only letting his cock decide everything (in bed).

[christianpfc]

Christian, maybe I'm totally in the wrong here, but aren't you the type of creepy farang I'm talking about?

The cute 25yo going to MSU who seems like he's happy to just chat? Who the fuck knows... don't go under the assumption he's for sale though, please.
I'm not. Sure, I assume there will be sex if I chat with someone on a gay dating site, but I wouldn't offer money.

However I have a friend who likes to chat with Thai boys (even without purpose: he is in Germany now, and he has a boyfriend in Thailand who stays with him all the time he is in Thailand, he is just wasting the Thai boys' time) and is very direct (asking for sexual activities, camsex, asking how much they want).


You even wrote a whole blog post once about how you almost got mugged, because you were quite persitant in offing some random stranger at a public park in Bangkok. You wouldn't take no for an answer, so they got pissed off, and you almost got mugged out of the ordeal.
It was a bit different than you remember. The full story is here, I was chatting with intent, but was waiting for them to make the first step: http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2015/11/christianpfc-almost-gets-robbed-at-hua.html

[latintopxxx]

rice connoiseur....bit sad to see it didnt take long for the pitch fork wielding frothing at the mouth righteous moral brigade to beat you into political correctness.

[cdnmatt]

It was a bit different than you remember. The full story is here, I was chatting with intent, but was waiting for them to make the first step: http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2015/11/christianpfc-almost-gets-robbed-at-hua.html

Yeah, that's pretty much how I remember it. They told you straight up to "go home" (in English even) and that the boy isn't for sale. You decide it's a good idea to persist, so they get pissed off and decide, "fuck it, let's take him". You don't see what you did wrong there, or?

Again, it's not hard. Ok, example time. The really cute guy (boy, I guess -- he's probably only 17 or so) who works selling the meat skewers around the corner, who is definitely gay (the pink rimmed glasses and wrist bands give it away)? Ok, he's not for sale. Propositioning him would probably make me so hated in this area, that they would make my life so uncomfortable, I would have to leave. Instead, I always get greeted with a big smile, and people are happy to do me (small) favors.

The cute 19yo on Grindr I just found today, who is laying on his bed in skimpy underwear with his shirt half way pulled up, and a shit eating grin? Ok, we've only talked for a total of 3 minutes, but I know, he's a money boy. I know this because, a) the suggestive photo, b) he's willing to chat with me, and c) he asked me what I'm looking for to which I replied "everything", then asked him the same and he said "everything" too. I don't even have to ask him anything more, except "want to meet at a curtain motel?" to which I'm sure he'd say yes.

Then you have other guys who are gorgeous, and you'd probably think they're money boys, but they're not in the slightest. Take the bamboo and snails guy I mentioned in the OP. Here was his dinner a few days ago:

http://i.imgur.com/yUeVvwn.jpg

I'm not going to show his face because I genuinely care about him, but suffice to say, if he showed up in Pattaya I'm sure he'd be quite popular. However, instead of selling his body, he's decided it's a better idea that during the times money is tight, it's bettet to hunt for frogs so you can have something to eat instead of selling his body. He's another guy that tells me neat stories of creepy farangs online. (EDIT: before you question the validity, he's in Laos, not Thailand -- he will be in Thailand in a few weeks though).

Again, if some of you don't have the decency or intelligence to figure this simple this out and act with a bit of respect, then please stay in Pattaya and Bangkok.

[francois]

matt, you are so saintlike, have you ever been inspired by an angel? Thought I would share this painting of St. Matthew and his angelic inspiration although there is something quite suggestive about that angel.

[fountainhall]

You have good taste Francois! I suspect that is a Caravaggio. The angel gives it away as he looks very like the model used in several of his paintings. And appropriate, given that whilst perhaps not 100% gay Caravaggio clearly illustrates in his work a passion for young male flesh!

[Khor tose]

Yes Caravaggio. You can find it in Rome at the e Contarelli Chapel in the church of San Luigi dei Francesi. Yes same model, who later in life married in spite of a long relationship with
the master painter (sic).

[fountainhall]

I was at a Caravaggio Exhibition in Tokyo 2 weeks ago but sadly there were only 9 of his own works on display. I think the model is the same in 3 of the paintings in that exhibition - Bacchus, Boy Bitten by a Lizard and The Fortune Teller. What an amazing artist!

[christianpfc]

Again, it's not hard. Ok, example time. The really cute guy (boy, I guess -- he's probably only 17 or so) who works selling the meat skewers around the corner, who is definitely gay (the pink rimmed glasses and wrist bands give it away)? Ok, he's not for sale. Propositioning him would probably make me so hated in this area, that they would make my life so uncomfortable, I would have to leave. Instead, I always get greeted with a big smile, and people are happy to do me (small) favors.
I have been in a similar situation (but my boy is over 18), there is a cute boy selling foodstuff at Klong Toey market. We have been smiling at each other many times I walked past, and then I started buying carrots (the only thing from his shop I eat), and finally gave him my phone number. No call. I suggest you do the same (chat him up, ask for his age, and if he is over 18 give him your phone number).

"Propositioning him..." let him know you are interested, and when horny or out of money he will remember you? That's what I would do. Propositioning someone is my last resort, only after chatting and meeting several times, giving weak hints first, then strong hints.

[cdnmatt]

I have been in a similar situation (but my boy is over 18), there is a cute boy selling foodstuff at Klong Toey market. We have been smiling at each other many times I walked past, and then I started buying carrots (the only thing from his shop I eat), and finally gave him my phone number. No call. I suggest you do the same (chat him up, ask for his age, and if he is over 18 give him your phone number).

"Propositioning him..." let him know you are interested, and when horny or out of money he will remember you? That's what I would do. Propositioning someone is my last resort, only after chatting and meeting several times, giving weak hints first, then strong hints.

See what I mean? You're the creepy guy.

No, I'm not allowed to show interest in him. He's not for sale, and I already know that. So why would he have any interest in me, other than selling me meat skewers to make him and his mom money? It's not hard to figure this type of thing out.

I'm not interested in him anyway, as he's too young. Only mentioned him because he's the only guy who lives in this area who I know is definitely gay. And if I tried to flirt with him, do you know what would happen? Ok, first, his mom would probably rip my head off. Afterwards, within 12 hours everyone in this area would know, and I would be ostracized to the point of having to search for a new house.

It's not really a big problem, but can be a pain at times. For one example, was chatting with a guy for a few weeks, we were chatting in English, and I proceed to tell him I'd like to buy him dinner some night. His response was, "What? You want to buy me? I don't understand.". I quickly had to switch to Thai language and explain, "I don't want to buy YOU. I want us to go to a restaurant together, and I will pay".

This would be due to the shitty stereotype us white folks are leaving behind.

[christianpfc]

See what I mean? You're the creepy guy.

No, I'm not allowed to show interest in him. He's not for sale, and I already know that. So why would he have any interest in me, other than selling me meat skewers to make him and his mom money? It's not hard to figure this type of thing out.

Nothing wrong with showing interest in a boy older than 18, how else can he know you are interested? I'm not talking about propositioning him. It was a slow learning process for me, but I have to take the first step in such occasions, the Thai are naturally shy (unless you are dealing with ladyboys, but I have no interest in ladyboys in bed).

You are grossly exaggerating the consequences of showing interest in the boy (social meeting with prospects of free sex). If he was interested, he would call you; if not, nothing would happen (or he would remember in a moment of financial problems and tell you so).


And if I tried to flirt with him, do you know what would happen? Ok, first, his mom would probably rip my head off. Afterwards, within 12 hours everyone in this area would know, and I would be ostracized to the point of having to search for a new house.
Utter bullshit. Speaking of experience, his friends and family would gauge you for a few free beers and food, but you wouldn't get the boy into bed. I wasted a lot of time and money this way. Or one of the elders would impose himself as pimp (rare).

"his mom would probably rip my head off" I once got my favorite massage (with happy ending) boy's mum's phone number and called her in a confusion of phone numbers of the boy, she is in full support of our activities.

[RiceConnoisseur]

rice connoiseur....bit sad to see it didnt take long for the pitch fork wielding frothing at the mouth righteous moral brigade to beat you into political correctness.

Ahhh.... that one hurt! Being accused of being part of the righteous moral brigade! But don't be sad, because I have not joined them. And I hopefully never will.

My position is still and always was: Sex cannot be understood within the very simplistic politically correct framework, where older white guys are judged harder than anyone else, because white guys carry around on a long history of being imperialists, sexists, racists etc. etc.

When some people condemn those white gay men who live and travel around in SE Asia and have lots of nice, steamy sex with beautiful, sexy younger Asian boys (maybe for money, and maybe even with a video camera on!), it sounds to me like it is the typical politically correct framework in action, talking pejoratively about those "privileged, older and maybe even less attractive (eeeww!) Caucasian males who takes advantage of poor, young beautiful South East Asian twinks. We feel sorry about everything our racist imperialist ancestors did to all non-European people in the world, and therefore why apply much stricter sexual/moral rules to older white men compared with the standard based on which we judge the sexual desires and behavior by older males with another skin color."

Sex is sex and cannot be understood politically. Same thing goes with porn, as long as it is legal (and therefore consequently happens between consenting adults how are at least 18 years old). When an older European guy fucks a young beautiful 20 year old Thai boy really hard, really long and really deep, with a camera running, and with a written agreement to post the hot, steamy video on the Internet afterwards, it might appear to be a very politically incorrect set-up for sex in some people's view, but in my view ... well ... it's just damn hot to look at, and I'm sure the Thai guy was adequately compensated for his good deed, which he should be very proud of in my mind.

And I feel I'm right about this, mainly because people wouldn't deliver the same hard moral judgements if it was a porn video where an older North American man fucked a young North American twink. I believe it is the gap in skin colour/ethnicity, geography and ASSUMED financial and educational status of the involved parties that makes people so judgemental about porn involving older white males and younger beautiful Asian guys.

[latintopxxx]

Correct and agree with your view point above. Am NOT a trump supporter but at times do cheer some of his statements reerence the whole western world being so frozen with fear over political correctness.
I treat all my Mb, irrespective of colour, with the same level of disdain. Whilst I do love the privateboymovies (older white guy using asian twinks) I also love the US & Brazilan style movies where older black guys use white blond twinks.
I have discarded the whole western judeo christian sense of wrong/guilt. Besides I used to have a Japanese fuck buddy who used to invite me to some of his sex parties and what they get up to makes me look like an amateur.
Maybe some of the board members are of a different generation have been been brow beaten into believing that somehow because they were born in a privileged part of the world that somehow they have to apologise permanently for simply existing.

[scottish-guy]

Latintop - Unless you are under 35 or (more likely) over 75 - you and I are not from different generations

[cdnmatt]

Christian, would you just trust me? He's not for sale, at all, and everyone would think it's extremely rude and disrespectful if I treated him like he was. My cute hairdresser on the other hand for example? Ok, I'm allowed to flirt him with, as it's obvious he's open to it.

This was kind of the original point of this thread. In places like Sunee, it's perfectly fine to flirt with every cute guy you see, whereas here, not so much. Because if you do, sometimes bad things will happen, such as people getting pissed off and trying to mug you.

[Nirish guy]

Sounds more like you need to move towns just CDN.

[cdnmatt]

Sounds more like you need to move towns just CDN.

God no, I love it here now. Especially since I've been at this particular house about 18 months now, so everyone in the area has already sussed me out, they know I'm a nice guy, there's nothing to worry about it, etc. However, I can promise if I started acting like an idiot, they would very quickly change their demeanor towards me, and begin making my life quite uncomfortable.

And now I'm actually looking for a BF again (well, right away once I get my teeth fixed), and I'm finding out I have to start the whole process over again. Simply because I'm white, I'm finding I have to go the extra mile to prove to these guys I'm a decent human being. Many are just under the assumption that since I'm white, I'm going to ask "how much?".

[latintopxxx]

damn thais...pre-judging you. So biased they are.

[latintopxxx]

..and scotty ...lkets put it this way I'll never see 40 again but am gearing up for a fun filled 50th. But in reality a generation thing is not always age, its also where u were raised, different influences in ones life and how quickly one wakes up and realises there are no rules.

[Marsilius]

...Sex is sex and cannot be understood politically....

Assuming that you are using the term "politically" in its broad sense, I understand what you're trying to say - that, if we remove the cultural/social/economic/"political" context (e.g. rich white guy travelling to poor country and "exploiting" locals for paid-for sex), the physical act of sex is simply that and nothing more.

However, even the pure physicality of the sex act itself, abstracted from any such context, can be "political". I can think of several examples. There have been and are lots of societies where women's role in sex is entirely physically passive - just to lie there as a receptacle while the man does the deed. Victorian Britain (where women who demonstrated any active input or pleasure during sex were regarded as deviant and might be subject to "treatment" or even incarceration in an institution) and contemporary hardline Moslem countries (where the punishment for the same "deviancy " might be even worse) are obvious examples of places where the physical act of sex was/is usually a one-way street.

To take another example, when a woman has been subjected to FGM, as in many even-not-so-hardline Moslem or even non-Moslem countries today, her sense of sexual pleasure is so severely reduced or even completely nullified that the dynamics of the physical act of sex itself are thereby hugely affected.

More arguably - but I include it simply because it's more likely to be something that may have been experienced by us in this board - the degree of pleasure experienced by a man during the sex act per se may be affected by the cultural/social factor of whether he was circumcised as a boy.

Even though the effect on sexual intercourse may have been caused, in those cases, by cultural/social/gender-discriminatory considerations, it is still undeniable that the simple act of sex itself, from insertion to withdrawal, has been affected by those factors.

Yes, RiceConnoisseur, "sex is sex" and the physical act itself may have remained essentially the same for all human history, but the finer details that are a constituent part of it - especially of the degree to which a woman is an active and/or equal partner in the act - cannot always or necessarily be understood without reference to, in its wider sense, "politics".

[dinagam]

In contemporary headline Moslem countries there are no limitations as to how a legally married couple perform their conjugal duties as long as they do so in private between just the two of them.
The only deviant act I can think of is when the man practices anal sex on his wife.
The wife has every right to receive his seeds in the intended repository.

[Marsilius]

...The wife has every right to receive his seeds in the intended repository.

Is that a right that is positively granted by statute law? Or is it merely the consequence of an absence of any legal prohibitions (as you suggest by the words "there are no limitations")?

There is a significant difference. If there is no statute law stating that a woman has "every right", then in reality she is entirely dependent on her husband's cultural-based view of what her rights in that department might be.

In the absence of statute law, the husband (and an equally indoctrinated wife) might be more inclined to rely for guidance on his wife's sexual rights on:

Qur'an 2:223 - "Your women are a tilth [field] for you to cultivate, so go to your tilth as you will"

Hadith: Sahih Al-Bukhari vol.4, book 59, no.3237 - "if a husband calls his wife to bed [for sex] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the Angels will curse her until morning"

Islamic law: 'Umdat al-Salik, m.11.9 - "The husband is only obliged to support his wife when she gives herself to him or offers to, meaning that she allows him full enjoyment of her person and does not refuse him sex at any time of the day or night"

Note that Moslem culture offers these "rights" to the male in the relationship. There is no mention of rights for the female.

So, in the absence of a legally recognised and enforceable "right" of a woman to "receive his seeds in the intended repository", the historical cultural influences on a couple would suggest to them that only men - and not women - should take the lead in initiating sexual intercourse.

[latintopxxx]

...lord now there're quoting the quran....just like kill me right now.

[Nirish guy]

Which lets face it many of the more hardcore fanatical readers of the Quran would happily do if given half a chance I suspect ! :-( Peace be upon them.

[christianpfc]

Christian, would you just trust me? He's not for sale, at all, and everyone would think it's extremely rude and disrespectful if I treated him like he was. My cute hairdresser on the other hand for example? Ok, I'm allowed to flirt him with, as it's obvious he's open to it.
Why are you so focused on paying for sex? I enter all chat with cute boys with the presumption that it might end in free sex (unless I'm in an area of prostitution or profile states he is a money boy). If the boy offers sex for money, I wouldn't say no; and in rare cases I offer money for sex (after meeting a boy several times and coming to the conclusion that there will be no free sex).

[Faranglaw]

Well said Matt - and am I the only one who has found the Privateboysmovies thread fucking disgusting - with some elderly men clearly salivating over young Asian boys being penetrated as roughly as possible with maximum humiliation?

There is something seriously wrong with people who get off on such stuff - "perverts" is not an adequate word

No Scottish you are not the only one. Count me in.

[Faranglaw]

Oh please - whilst I'm all with you all the way CDNMATT on people not instantly assuming and rushing to judge guys without speaking to them first etc - 100% with you there - but please... SG, OMG less of the overblown indignation perhaps, as on this site more than most even you should know already that one mans pervert is just another mans sex partner and to brand people "perverts" just for liking ( what I assume is) fully legal, fully consensual porn is a bit much.

Hell many people would happily cast your good self ( or my good self for that matter) in that very same "pervert" vein just for having Asian BF's half our age or whatever and to them I would say the same as I'm saying to you - that's nonsense and what other people enjoy (legally) is no one else's business and certainly doest warrant them being branded a "pervert" just because it's not someone else's cup of tea so to speak - and ESPECIALLY not on THIS board I would have thought!

Only HALF our age?? Damn. And here I was looking forward to breaking the 50 year barrier, in just a couple more years. :)

[Faranglaw]

Ha!

In this 7yr relationship I strongly suspect it's ME who's inexperienced and it's DEFINITELY me who's now fucking poor!

:cool:

You made your bed, love. Literally.

[Faranglaw]

Ahhh.... that one hurt! Being accused of being part of the righteous moral brigade! But don't be sad, because I have not joined them. And I hopefully never will.

My position is still and always was: Sex cannot be understood within the very simplistic politically correct framework, where older white guys are judged harder than anyone else, because white guys carry around on a long history of being imperialists, sexists, racists etc. etc.

When some people condemn those white gay men who live and travel around in SE Asia and have lots of nice, steamy sex with beautiful, sexy younger Asian boys (maybe for money, and maybe even with a video camera on!), it sounds to me like it is the typical politically correct framework in action, talking pejoratively about those "privileged, older and maybe even less attractive (eeeww!) Caucasian males who takes advantage of poor, young beautiful South East Asian twinks. We feel sorry about everything our racist imperialist ancestors did to all non-European people in the world, and therefore why apply much stricter sexual/moral rules to older white men compared with the standard based on which we judge the sexual desires and behavior by older males with another skin color."

Sex is sex and cannot be understood politically. Same thing goes with porn, as long as it is legal (and therefore consequently happens between consenting adults how are at least 18 years old). When an older European guy fucks a young beautiful 20 year old Thai boy really hard, really long and really deep, with a camera running, and with a written agreement to post the hot, steamy video on the Internet afterwards, it might appear to be a very politically incorrect set-up for sex in some people's view, but in my view ... well ... it's just damn hot to look at, and I'm sure the Thai guy was adequately compensated for his good deed, which he should be very proud of in my mind.

And I feel I'm right about this, mainly because people wouldn't deliver the same hard moral judgements if it was a porn video where an older North American man fucked a young North American twink. I believe it is the gap in skin colour/ethnicity, geography and ASSUMED financial and educational status of the involved parties that makes people so judgemental about porn involving older white males and younger beautiful Asian guys.

There is no righteous moral brigade except in latintop's imagination. Just differing opinions about what is appropriate and what is not. A fascinating discussion, IMHO. I do happen to think the Private boy movies are a bit creepy, as the ones I've seen the expression on the young men's faces suggest boredom punctuated by fear. That doesn't do it for me. I compare them, as done on another thread, with the Badman/Robin videos, where the young men seem to be loving it. That's what I call a win/win.

By the way I very much appreciate the post that talked about how positive political correctness has been in improving all of our lives and making prejudice less and less socially acceptable. I'm 66 and remember all too well when it was all too acceptable. I'll take a bit of over the top PC to going back to that, any day.

[Faranglaw]

For those of us somewhat older than you, RiceConnoisseur, Political Correctness has actually helped bring about some real positive changes in our lives.

While probably nothing will ever eradicate entrenched bigotry from a small minority of people, Political Correctness has been a big factor in eliminating the very widespread casual racism, sexism and homophobia that pervaded society until, I would say, the 1990s. I well recall that, in the UK in the 1960s, racist attitudes - not necessarily meant to be nasty but very much of the "them and us" variety - were the norm, even among otherwise very pleasant people. With the introduction of the Race Relations Act, preventing people from expressing racist views in public, first a general consciousness and then a consensus gradually developed that racism was wrong. Subsequent similar PC legislation also led public opinion away from knee-jerk negative assumptions about women and, latterly, gay people.

Political Correctness gets a bad press these days. Sometimes it may seem to go too far - but that's what the racists said in the 1960s and one man's "too far" is another man's "that's the right thing to do". I, for one, raise a glass to PC for the success it's had in making the expression of anti-gay (and racist and sexist) attitudes unacceptable to increasingly large numbers of people. And once people don't hear others expressing such views as commonplace, those views themselves gradual cease to be majority opinion and instead become those of an increasingly isolated and despised minority.

Where can I click "Love" for this post. Good thoughts, well expressed. Thanks.

[latintopxxx]

oh faranglaw, I always knew that the good Mother Theresa of Calcutta would be re-incarnated...and you are proof. Oh so funny all these people in glass houses casting stones, and huge ones too I may add.
Like I care a toss whether the MB is enjoying the " experience" , for goodness sake, If I pay then my pleasure is ALL that counts. He's just doing his job, and if I get off on the fact that I'm using him, and I let him know that I think he's there to be used by me by the way I treat him.....thats my right. If he doesnt like it he can piss off and I'll summons another silly mb to bounce up and down on my dick working up a sweat while I try not to look bored with his efforts.
So you dont enjoy the humiliation aspect of PBM, fine, 95% of the world dont like the fact you are not into females...does that make them right??
Dont judge, sure you can say you dont like it, and its not your thing, whatever...but dont go on some moral tirade against me just because of my likes.

[fountainhall]

If I pay then my pleasure is ALL that counts. He's just doing his job, and if I get off on the fact that I'm using him, and I let him know that I think he's there to be used by me by the way I treat him.....thats my right.
When you purchase a drink, you can drink it any way you like.You can pour it down the toilet if you wish. it's yours and you've paid for it. But if you 'buy' a room in a hotel for a night, while you have certainly paid for it, it is certainly not yours and you certainly have zero right to do what you will with it - trash it, rip up the sheets, piss on the carpet etc. If you do, your wallet suffers mightily - and try booking the same hotel next time around! Same with an MB in my view. He is a fellow human being with thoughts, feelings, likes, dislikes. He is not yours to use any way you like. You may think he has agreed to be trashed like a piece of shit. He hasn't.

And don't start throwing around "moral high ground" nonsense. It really does get more than tedious!

[Oliver]

I can't argue with that....and that's before taking into consideration the fact that we are dealing with a human being. Come to think of it, I'd be appalled if it were a dog.
Those consenting adults who enjoy SM have my blessing, even though I shall never join them. However, when a poster writes that he is turned-on by another human's discomfort, embarrassment or pain, we are venturing into a world that is quite possibly illegal, as well as being morally inexcusable- and even sociopathic.

[latintopxxx]

ok, maybe I should approach this from a different angle.
Like why do guys engage whores??
I can pick up guys fairly easily, at gay bars, saunas, grindr, GR...its all there...I like u...u like me...me hornby...u horny...ok..lets shag...done.
For me, MB are there to fulfill a need, the need to really not care two hoots about the guy u r with, to just be totally selfish and do what u want to do with no recipocracy needed. The fact that they are willing to sell themselves to just about anybody, and I've seen some horror sights, two fat smelly indians slobbering over a cute gogo before offing him for a 3 some...I presume, to wrinkly old farangs who shuffle more than they walk....proves that they are there to be hired and used for pleasure.
Sure I take it up a notch or two by making sure that they know that im enjoying the fact that im using them, that I consider them inferior, nothing more than something to pleasure me, nut thats all part of the service they provide. Some get a bit red faced and semi-angry...most just accept it and plough on with the date. BTW I rather enjoy the former.
So back to the point, unlike some of u i dont see a MB as a friend, lover, partner or equal. Its a business transaction.

[fountainhall]

Sure I take it up a notch or two by making sure that they know that im enjoying the fact that im using them, that I consider them inferior, nothing more than something to pleasure me, nut thats all part of the service they provide . . .
So back to the point, unlike some of u i dont see a MB as a friend, lover, partner or equal. Its a business transaction.
Just like renting a hotel room or purchasing an airline ticket is a business transaction! As I said earlier, I'd like to see you face the hotel manager or the airline chief after you have trashed their room/equipment. Coming to Thailand to humiliate and use MBs in the knowledge they are suffering is . . . I don't need to go further!

[Oliver]

I agree with Latin; those falangs who mistreat Thai guys are definitely "not equal" to people who are trying to make an honest living, sending money back home to support parents and, yes, having a good time with their friends. They don't hurt or humiliate anyone....not even the fat and ugly. At least, that's my twenty years experience.

[Faranglaw]

I agree with Latin; those falangs who mistreat Thai guys are definitely "not equal" to people who are trying to make an honest living, sending money back home to support parents and, yes, having a good time with their friends. They don't hurt or humiliate anyone....not even the fat and ugly. At least, that's my twenty years experience.

Liked. Took me minute, I'm slow. Yeah most money boys are far superior in character than our friend here.

[Faranglaw]

oh faranglaw, I always knew that the good Mother Theresa of Calcutta would be re-incarnated...and you are proof. Oh so funny all these people in glass houses casting stones, and huge ones too I may add.

Oooh so sensitive. I like that in a guy. Again with the fantasies, Mother Teresa yet. But civilized people understand the difference between buying a thing and renting the services of a person. That's why we outlawed slavery and have labour laws. There Is Mother Teresa, and there is Donald Trump. All humans have elements of both in our character. But ethical people lean in the ethical direction. Who's your ethical model? Who's your daddy, boy?

[latintopxxx]

ha, if i was american i would definitely vote Trump. Imagine the fun. would be like a reality show.

[latintopxxx]

As for the whole paid sex thing and how I treat my service providers....the problem with U people is u have the whole developed world/western/white guilt trip over how u interact with the help. get over it, there is a pecking order and everyone is happier knowing exactly where they are.
I operate the same whether Im in Thailand, Brazil, South Africa, US (trailer trash my speciality) or eastern europe. Have done ash blondes to pitch black bubble butted MB from Bahia in North Eastern Brazil; life is good.
To date, only minor issues....no beatings, or been pushed off a balcony .....u get the pic.

[a447]

Yeah, I get the pic. But it's more like a cartoon.

By criticising Latin for how he reckons he treats the guys, you are merely allowing him to further get off by constantly replying with the same old shit about how he humiliates them. He's been posting the same fantasies for the past 8 years and every time you have a go at him, he gets to tell us all, yet again, how he loves to dominate them.

But in a post on another thread, he inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. His post there demonstrated to all and sundry that he hasn't been to Pattaya for at least 18 months, probably 2 years.

And incidentally, it also proved that his story about fucking the guy in the bar was also untrue, as I stated at the time. If he wasn't there he couldn't have done it.

So fear not - he's not really doing any of this stuff.

It's all in his fertile imagination.

[latintopxxx]

trying to think hard, not easy ...I can kinda prove I've been in BKK (how else would I know that the austrian embassy is doing a major rebuild and that the land next to it has been totally cleared, like only a couple of trees standing but all vegetation gone and that the pool at Babylon has been redone, its got like this fake wood around it) ...but how do I finally convince a judas like a447 that I was in Pattaya recently.....dunno...I stayed at the basaya hotel (only the pool towels have another name on them...) and u can walk from the pool through a bar to get onto beach rd. But like theres nothing else....

[latintopxxx]

...and the only reason I repeat my " I'm the king and the MB exits to pleasure me" mantra...is because I dont see why I gotta log on and read all the shite about how u gotta be like so nice to the MB because he's like a person...and poor...and sob sob sob...
Honestly, get a life, its all an act....they all try to get away with doing the least possible...

[christianpfc]

trying to think hard, not easy ...I can kinda prove I've been in BKK (how else would I know that the austrian embassy is doing a major rebuild and that the land next to it has been totally cleared, like only a couple of trees standing but all vegetation gone and that the pool at Babylon has been redone, its got like this fake wood around it) ...
I very vaguely remember that information has been posted somewhere else on the forums before you picked it up, but can't remember where and it's not important enough for me to search for it. That's why I asked you for any current picture or current information from your last trip, to no avail.

[arsenal]

Please choose from the options below regarding Mr Latin. member extraordinaire.

1) He's never been to Pattaya or if he has it was some time ago. You're making mistakes Latin....you've mentioned bikes parked outside the wrong bar and rubber bands on penises which are common on strippers in The UK but not in Thailand. They're so obviously prosthetic.
2) He does go there but does not act the way he claims to here.
3) Everything he writes is factually correct.

[cdnmatt]

I'm going with #2 myself.

No problems believing he frequents Pattaya, go-go bars, etc. However, if he acted the way he portrays himself here, he'd be 6 feet under the ground by now.

[Faranglaw]

Thanks a447. I defer to your experience and will avoid feeding this particular troll.

BTW, when can we expect anither of your amusing and enlightening tripmreports?

[a447]

Mmm...not too sure when I'll next be in Thailand. Normally, I'd be making plans now but it seems I have to do some work for my old company so will probably be heading off to Japan. My annual September /October trip is also in doubt as I think I'm going to Europe with a straight friend instead. And after that I've got a couple of celebrations up in Bali, plus a trip to Taiwan for New Year with some other straight friends.

So this year is going to be a bit busier than usual. But somehow I can't imagine staying away from Thailand for such a time, so who knows? I might have to give Taiwan a miss.

[latintopxxx]

matty boy, seriously???You've clearly nevr been to a bog cock show in soi twilight; or a fuck show!!!! Im like almost always in the front row and when the fuck show " actors" walk around the bar while still coupled begging for tips....I always take full advantage by pawing the " actors", sticking my hand down there to check that insertion is still in progress...and yes that top has a fake erction aided by an elastic or something like that tied around the base.
Maybe your eyesite like evreything else is failing....
And no, the boys do sit on their bikes outside good boys...I should know...I used to often stop and chat while I made up my mind which one i was gonna drag inside...strip naked and paw to my hearts content ...that was until my last trip a couple of months back when the talent available was decidedly scarily trashy.
Would it help if I mentioned that the owner/mamasan is a short guy with an obscenely round face topped with close cropped air...sort of verging balding.
Now ladies....really!! I live life....it only comes around once. Dont wanna sit in my cold bedsit like a447 regretting what may have been.

[a447]

"And no, the boys do sit on their bikes outside good boys"

They did. But that was a long time ago. By insisting that they do merely serves to prove you haven't been to Pattaya in a couple of years.

Now they sit on stools. In fact, they couldn't sit on their bikes even if they wanted to because All of Me, opposite Goodboys, has placed 2 tables and some chairs out on to the Soi, right in front of where the guys sit.

There's hardly room for people to squeeze by, let alone space to park motorbikes!

But unless you had been there, you wouldn't know that, would you.

And as for the guys being "scarily trashy," that also describes how the guys were a few years ago.

Care to name one of these scary guys? If you don't know his name, a description will suffice. Just one guy will do.

Arsenal, I'm going with #1.

[cdnmatt]

matty boy, seriously???You've clearly nevr been to a bog cock show in soi twilight; or a fuck show!!!!

No, actually I've never been to Soi Twilight. I've always stuck with Pattaya. Personally, I always enjoyed the sleaze of Sunee Plaza. But those would be red light districts, so you're kind of expected to act like a bit of a pervert there -- that's the whole reason they exist. I've done it myself many times in the past, and it's great fun. Go get drunk, pass some bottles of whiskey around, play some grab ass with the go-go boys -- good times.

It's just some farangs don't seem to know where the red light districts end, and decide since places like Sunee Plaza exist, then all of Thailand must be one huge brothel house.

[a447]

that was until my last trip a couple of months back

A couple of months?? No, Latin. It was last month. You arrived on Pattaya on May 16. Look:

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?18018-Pattaya-my-hols

Oops.

[fountainhall]

A couple of months?? No, Latin. It was last month.
Oops.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!"
Sir Walter Scott

[latintopxxx]

I'm rather enjoying this. All the amateur sleuths doing their utmost to upend the truth based on flimsy "gotcha" evidence. a447, its simple ...my first stop in Thailand was BKK, I spent a week there riding BKK MB before toodling off to Pats on a bus to sample pats pleasures....
Its now the end of June...so give or take a week ....and without rushing to check dates ...that makes it 2 months since I was last in Thailand/BKK/Pats......comprehendo hombre??
Kinda reminds me of the time a447 threw a total hissy fit (think she even broke a stiletto) when I mentioned that the strip pf Rama 4 from soi twilight to the Dusit was lined with street trade...silly thing actually thought I meant lined as in standing shoulder to shoulder...like some sort of north korean military display.
Why dont u ask me to describe what eros is like i doors??? Like I dont think its ever being vaguely remembered as being posted here.....come on challenge me...

[a447]

my first stop in Thailand was BKK, I spent a week there riding BKK MB before toodling off to Pats on a bus

In the following post, you told us you arrived in Bangkok March 20.

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?17855-BKK-MB-pricing-survey/page3

So a week later would have you in Pattaya around March 27.

But in the link I quoted earlier in this thread you told us you arrived in Pattaya on May 16.


Why don't u ask me to describe what eros is like i doors??? Like I don't think its ever being vaguely remembered as being posted here

You already have told us what it is like inside Eros. Remember? You told us you took guys behind screens to have fun with them - guys who wear shorts and need encouragement to interact with customers! Lol

As for challenging you, I already did -in this thread. I asked you to describe just one of the "scarily trashy" guys at Goodboys but you couldn't.


Kinda reminds me of the time a447 threw a total hissy fit (think she even broke a stiletto) when I mentioned that the strip pf Rama 4 from soi twilight to the Dusit was lined with street trade...silly thing actually thought I meant lined as in standing shoulder to shoulder..

An, yes. Now you're going back a few years. That was the thread about your alleged visit to Bangkok where you were also picking up construction workers on Rama 4, taking them back to your room to fuck them. Problem was, a number of us here happened to be in Bangkok at the time and so knew there was no construction work going on at the time. We also pointed out that there were no guys lining up on Rama 4. We asked you to answer a couple of simple questions about what was happening in the area but you left the thread without replying. So much for 'challenging" you!

[a447]

Oh, and you never did explain how a construction worker could just down tools in the middle of a job and walk off the site with you.

[fountainhall]

Any time I've seen construction workers on Rama 4 - and I have passed the section from Sathorn to Suriwong frequently for well over a decade - they've either been sleeping or sitting in a huddle smoking cigarettes! :confused: Indeed, almost the only construction work I have noticed has been repairs to the Belgian Bridge when all the workers were on the bridge and therefore unable to be seen unless passing on the one open lane in a vehicle.

[cdnmatt]

What's the allure of Bangkok anyway? I was there once for about 3 days I think (with my mom of all people), and that was about all I could handle. Back to Sunee Plaza I went.

[a447]

Sex-wise, there isn't much allure anymore. You really need a couple of regular guys you can call on for fun, otherwise you'll find yourself at the mercy is over -priced bars with umder-performing guys.

But there is a lot more to keep you occupied during the day in Bangkok. Well at least for me. I'm a shopaholic and a foodie, so I love Siam Paragon, Central World, Gaysorn, etc. Plenty to buy and eat.

Sunee Plaza is way more fun when it comes to sex.

[scottish-guy]

Agree on BKK - I don't see any reason to visit there anymore

[MiniMee]

Agree on BKK - I don't see any reason to visit there anymoreWhen was the last time you were there?

[scottish-guy]

Never - I've never been in Bangkok.

In fact I've never been in Thailand at all.

I made it all up.

Happy now?

Good.

:yahoo_mini:

[cdnmatt]

These gay Thailand forums sure are fun, aren't they? Hell, before I even had Christian persisting that I provide photographic evidence of both, my washing machine knob and my eye. I gave a photo of the knob on the washing machine, but wasn't willing to do the eye.

Now it looks like both, you and Latin are back under the magnifying glass. Good times.

[a447]

Why on earth would anyone want to see a photo of your washing machine knob??

[scottish-guy]

It's ChristianPFC we're talking about

[a447]

Of course! Silly old me!

[cdnmatt]

Why on earth would anyone want to see a photo of your washing machine knob??

I have no idea. Christian is weird like that. Send him a PM, and ask him. :)

[francois]

I gave a photo of the knob on the washing machine, but wasn't willing to do the eye.

.


Looking forward to a photo of your knob.

[a447]

Scotty, maybe you could post a photo of yourwashing machine knob. Then you could prove to mininee that you've been to Thailand.

Just a thought.

[AsDaRa]

matty boy, seriously???You've clearly nevr been to a bog cock show in soi twilight; or a fuck show!!!! Im like almost always in the front row and when the fuck show " actors" walk around the bar while still coupled begging for tips....I always take full advantage by pawing the " actors", sticking my hand down there to check that insertion is still in progress...and yes that top has a fake erction aided by an elastic or something like that tied around the base.


I agree with Mr. Latin here. I went to shows in Pattaya and Soi Twilight and I also had my doubts about the erections displayed in the shows. If you look very good you can see its fake. At the start of the penis there is an unnatural bulge. Like it is a prosthetic covering the real thing. I don't know how to put it into English. But the start of the penis does not look like any other erect penis I have ever seen.

Also they maintain that erection for quite some time, while doing the show. You would expect the hard erect penis to become less hard when their mind is focused on the acts they have to perform. I have little doubt they are fake (for some at least).

[a447]

I have mentioned in past posts that I thought some of those erections were fake. One guy in particular I wrote about was nowhere near as big in my room as he was in the big cock show. I also thought he must be using some kind of prosthetic device. Other erections, however, are definitely real. I know because I've had a good grope! The condom tied around the base just makes the erection stronger, but not much bigger.

[Nirish guy]

Scotty, maybe you could post a photo of yourwashing machine knob. Then you could prove to mininee that you've been to Thailand.

Just a thought.

Ah but depending on whether said knob was analogue or digital that wouldn't necessarily prove if he'd been there within the last 20 years or not so Minimee would need some convincing either way still I'm sure ! :)

[arsenal]

Who gives a fuck what minimee thinks?

[scottish-guy]

I've already indicated to MiniMee on another thread that I've been lying for years, I've never actually set foot in Thailand and I've just been making everything up.

On that basis I must have heard the last of him - whaddya reckon?

:yahoo_mini:

[latintopxxx]

OMG...stop the press!!! a447 agrees with ME. The erections do have an elastic around the base!!!!

And BTW a447, there are no screens a la good boys in eros. Its all done out in the open. Funny how when u cant back up a statement you " vaguely remember something being posted" when usually u r very handy with the search function. Nothing like having my erection sticking out of my fly while the " boy:" slobbers all over it...or stripping him naked and draped over my lap so I can play with his body in full view of everyone. Being used. and BTW, others do the same only in a more discreet way...they may use a pillow to shield their actions. I just dont care, thats why I enjoy it so much.

[christianpfc]

My underlines in following quotes.

These gay Thailand forums sure are fun, aren't they? Hell, before I even had Christian persisting that I provide photographic evidence of both, my washing machine knob and my eye. I gave a photo of the knob on the washing machine, but wasn't willing to do the eye.
Here is what I actually said in http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?17485-STDs-in-the-eyes/page6



http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/images/metro/blue/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by cdnmatt
My washing machine only goes 40F - 90F (4.4C - 32C), so cutting it close if that's true.

ChristianPFC:
A setting for 40F - 90F? Doesn't make sense. A picture would add credulence.

Thai washing machines that I used or saw (all coin operated for public use) don't have a setting for temperature (like European have), and there is no fog on the glass during the washing process (i.e. no condensation of water vapor from hot water). Of course it could be that there is an electrical heater which I can't see, but I don't think so. A friend pointed out that his condo has a hot water washing machine which is rare in Thailand.

As far as I can tell, most public washing machines in Thailand wash at room temperature. Detergents would work better at higher temperature and germs/parasites might survive room temperature.


"persisted" is slightly exaggerated.

Regarding the erections in bars, I saw the rubber bands myself and I once watched (via reflection in a mirror in the bar, Dream Boys Pattaya if memory serves right) a boy stuffing his bulge in the staff changing room / bathroom. I don't think there is any more fake going on, someone would have noticed and reported in the forums.

[latintopxxx]

relax christian....matty is only pushing your buttons, or should I say your knobs...

[MiniMee]

I've already indicated to MiniMee on another thread that I've been lying for years, I've never actually set foot in Thailand and I've just been making everything up. Now you are just fibbing Scotty. You have told us many times about your trips to Thailand c. 1999 and I have never doubted your voracity. And you do seem genuinely terrified by Neal Bernard, even years after his death, so presumably you did meet him in Pattaya.I have not suggested that you have never visited Thailand and your constant inability to comprehend my question seems almost deliberate. I have only ever said that your experience in Thailand is limited and I have only ever asked when was the last time you visited.

[latintopxxx]

...actually christian...what u probably saw was the gogo boy pushing his already penis pump inflated and tied dick into his speedo/underwear. They all use penis pumps to pump up their dick, then secure it at the base with a shoe string or elastic before the big cock and fuck shows.
Personally I really dont care that the erections are fake, its the fact that they are on stage humiliating themselves for my pleasure that makes we go...or when they strut amongst the audience still fucking begging for tips , i'll always put my hand down there to check that its still going on, ask them to pound away for 10 seconds or so, before I tip them BHT100. The stuff they will do for a living never ceases to amaze me.

[bucknaway]

When I was in Pattaya, I was chatting with a guy on Planetromeo who I have talked with for many months before I arrived. We agreed to meet once he was finished working in his bar in boyztown. He told me he will need some time to pump up his cock before he arrived at my place. I told him it was not necessary but he did it anyway. He told me they all did it.

[latintopxxx]

buckyboy, that sounds very strange to me. Penis pumped up erections dont last unless the blood flow is restricted at the base; and the blood flow should not be restricted for longer than 30 min, if its longer you could actually damage your cock. So I dont see the point of him doing it as by the time he arrived at your place he'd be back to normal.

[a447]

And BTW a447, there are no screens a la good boys in eros.

Really?

Back in 2013 you wrote this:


...I can definitely confirm nudity and lewedness (had a naked boy on my lap) at eros and happy boys( stripped one naked...draped him across my lap and fondled whilst I had a beer behind one of those infamous screens.......

http://http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?15301-Pattaya-Sunnee-Plaza-New-erotic-show/page2&highlight=draped (http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?15301-Pattaya-Sunnee-Plaza-New-erotic-show/page2&highlight=draped)

When Nirish pointed out that there were no screens in Eros, your defence of your comment was :


Nirish...will not comment further on eros...

Keep digging!

Lol

[fountainhall]

Now you are just fibbing Scotty.
Seems you have a problem identifying a wee dram of pawky Scottish humour! At one point Scotty might have ended up as the owner of this Board!
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[Faranglaw]

Seems you have a problem identifying a wee dram of pawky Scottish humour! At one point Scotty might have ended up as the owner of this Board!
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This has been most entertaining, although I had thought, being so Mother Teresa-esque that the original subject was the dehumanization of mb's, specifically by Latin, maybe by others.

But while we're on Scottish humour, did you see this? It's the responses by Scottish and British people to Donald Trump's ignorant and stupid comments on Brexit when he went to Scotland to celebrate, or something, the opening of his golf course. God, what a "mangled apricot hellbeast!" Among other things.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/donald-trump-was-the-victim-of-some-vicious-british-insults-which-are-incredible-and-my-new-favorite-thing/

[fountainhall]

I like "You touped fucktrumpet"

Trump's shenanigans in Scotland could, if Hillary airs them, could come back to haunt him. Not re his Turnberry golf resort, but the one he built north of Aberdeen and opened in 2012. His promises - £1.5 billion investment, construction of a 5-star hotel and 1,500 houses, creation of 6,000 jobs. Facts: investment nowhere near the amount stated, the course has lost nearly £5 million in its first 3 years of operation, no hotel, no houses, 150 jobs created.

To create the course, Trump had to persuade some long-time residents to leave. A 91-tear old lady in a mobile home refused. Her water was cut off for years. High earth mounds were built around three other protesting residents. Only one has so far been taken down.

[latintopxxx]

a447, now u must be copy pasting stuff. Screens are in good boys after they remodelled the place. Do u really have to resort to lying to make a point...really!! Eros only has a partition in front of the door so that someone standing outside cannot see straight into the place. Along the right side and left side of the room(standing with my back to the door) are built in bunk type seating. Toilet & boys lockers are in the r/h corner. Bar is opposite the entrance, right in front of the bar are 3 couches arranged in a U shape. There is also a single couch up against the partition. On both left hand corner of the room are also single couches. Sprinlked around the room are low round stages where the boys dance suggestively. Outside are two couches and usually a high bar type table as well where the boys sometimes take time out from being groped. Enough details darling!!

Shall we now move on..if u l;ike I can also talk about Tuis on jomtien gay beach...and how Tui split up from his long time farang partner and how they split the restaurant in 2. I had lunch there most days.

[latintopxxx]

...or how last time I was in Jomtien...March!! Bondi was closed (yes dont get too excited, I know it was reported on this forum...keep calm) and I was surprised to see that it seemed to be abandoned with what looked like homeless people sleeping in what used to be the outside terrace area.

[a447]

I'm the one who is lying here??? WTF??

You neglected to explain your post about screens in Eros.

And their "shorts"?

And the fact that they are shy and need encouragement to get down and dirty? Remember? You suggested to one member here they he slap them on the bum and pull them down from the dias to get their attention,

You still haven't explained your post about the guys sitting on motorcycles outside Goodboys. Clearly that is just wrong.

Nor have you described any of the 'trashy" guys you say you saw working there.

Latin, I only ever pointed out your error regarding Goodboys. It was you, not me, who brought up the story about guys lining Rama 4 and the interior layout of Eros. And btw, I and others have described Eros many times over the years on this board.

If you want to bring up more of your stories, feel free to do so, and I'll quickly point out the obvious contradictions and factual errors.

You could perhaps resurrect your story about the young fem guys working at Krazy Dragon when Mark was the owner.

Or the pushy mama-san you reckon worked at Neal's old bar, Happy Place.

Or your fictitious trip to Australia where everyone spoke in New Zealand accents.

Or what about the time you picked up that money boy from a station in eastern Europe? You know, the guy who would have had to be standing on a deserted railway platform in the dark,waiting for prospective clients at some ungodly hour of the morning. (Your story fell into a heap as soon as you mentioned breakfast).

Or perhaps you could make yet another post about how old you are. You've already made about 6 over the part 8 years and your age has fluctuated between early thirties in 2009 to late fifties in 2014.

The list just goes on and on.

Latin, you are full of it. You really are. So it may be in your interests to let sleeping dogs lie.

Up to you,

[latintopxxx]

...oh dear...so much anger...u r beyond help.

[a447]

Right......for your sake I think you've made a wise choice.

[cdnmatt]

What the hell is Trump even doing in the UK anyway? He's a Presidential candidate now, and not supposed to be making foreign visits like this.

Same as when Mitt Romney did it back in 2012. Shows up in the UK, begins insulting everyone for things like security of the Olympics, then sure enough pretty near every newspaper in the UK weren't too impressed, and the next morning Romney got totally blasted in the media.

[fountainhall]

What the hell is Trump even doing in the UK anyway? He's a Presidential candidate now, and not supposed to be making foreign visits like this.
Opening a renovated golf course and hotel was just a cover! His main purpose was to spend a day and evening with Mick Jagger's former long-time bed partner, Jerry Hall. The new (well, substantially remodelled) Ms. Hall is now wife of the geriatric octogenarian Digger, better known worldwide as Rupert Murdoch, one of the world's most influential moguls - well, at least he likes to think so and Trump clearly believes it. So Mr. and Mrs. Digger were given a buggy tour of Trump's other Scottish golf course, the one that has lost about £5 million since opening and created about 4% of the promised jobs, followed by dinner. Over porridge, haggis, neeps and bashed tatties with maybe the odd Scotch egg thrown in for good measure, the Donald no doubt dug into the Digger seeking his media and financial resources in his upcoming campaign to become the leader of the free world. The Digger loves flattery. Watch out for Mrs. Digger appearing with the Donald on the campaign trail!! (You heard it here first!)

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[cdnmatt]

Well, considering Trump seems to have barred about 70% of the media outlets in the US from attending his campaign events, I guess he could use all the media help he can get.

Still though, he's not supposed to be in the UK making speeches about the Brexit. That type of thing happens after the election, once you've won. What an idiot.

Same as when Romney did it. Or another example, I remember when Obama was first running, and Bush decided it was a good idea to go in front of the Israeli Knesset and talk about the US election. Another one of those things you simply don't do.

[scottish-guy]

Obviously I don't like Trump, but to be fair - Obama has stuck his unwanted nose into TWO referenda in the UK within the last two years - can you imagine if any world leader had the cheek to go to the US and tell them what they should do?

:D

[cdnmatt]

Obviously I don't like Trump, but to be fair - Obama has stuck his unwanted nose into TWO referenda in the UK within the last two years

Obama is the President of the US. He's allowed to make speeches regarding foreign politics, visit foreign countries for political reasons, and so on. That's part of his job.

Trump isn't an elected official though, nor is he even an appointed official by the President, State Department, nothing. Until if / when he wins an election, he's just a loud mouthed idiot with a bad hair cut. Not sure what the hell he's doing talking politics at speeches in the UK.

Obama seems to be getting pretty relaxed and comedic during his last year, so maybe he'll rip into Trump for it. John Oliver already has. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_Cb7K_j6E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_Cb7K_j6E

[christianpfc]

...actually christian...what u probably saw was the gogo boy pushing his already penis pump inflated and tied dick into his speedo/underwear. They all use penis pumps to pump up their dick, then secure it at the base with a shoe string or elastic before the big cock and fuck shows.
The boy was just stuffing tissue into his bulge. Elsewhere, I saw a boy with a tiny bit of tissue poking out of his underwear (I'm very observant in these areas) and thirdly someone who works/worked in a bar confirmed that one boy stuff his bulge.

But I have never seen penis pumps (wonder if they work) and never read or heard about anything else than tissue stuffed in underwear. Which alone is bad enough, just imagine you have a boy sit next to you, stroke his thigh, move on to bulge, reach in and pull out some tissue!

[scottish-guy]

Well, I have to confess that when I was younger I was once advised that if I put a good sized potato in my speedos then I'd get a lot of attention on the beach.

However, it had the reverse effect and people just pointed at me, whispered to each other, gave me nasty looks, and hurried away.

Perhaps if I'd put the potato in the front it might have been different?

:p

[bucknaway]

buckyboy, that sounds very strange to me. Penis pumped up erections dont last unless the blood flow is restricted at the base; and the blood flow should not be restricted for longer than 30 min, if its longer you could actually damage your cock. So I dont see the point of him doing it as by the time he arrived at your place he'd be back to normal.

I don't know how long it lasts. I liked him because of his carefree attitude and his naughty, kinky side.

I hate to admit that I put a said face with his profile after him telling me that he performs in drag in one of the bar shows.

He is a good looking guy but I just can't get into a guy in a dress climbing on my back....

[dinagam]

Putting a potato in your Speedo is akin to having three nuts, hence the stares from people.
It could have been more positive if you had used a medium-sized haggis. :-)

[scottish-guy]

Well I appreciate your response but you've completely misunderstood the joke LOL

:mocking_mini: