BKK MB pricing survey

[latintopxxx]

Will be in BKK for a week soon, so logged into gay romeo as if I was in BKK and messaged 27 thai guys all under 25, of the 27, 25 replied and identified as MB. Of these 23 were bottoms, of the remaining 2, 1 said he would bottom for 1500. All started asking around the 1500 to 2000BHT, I easily managed to negotiate 21 of them down to 1000BHT, one even went as low as 800.
Good to see that there is still lotsa arse available in BKK and all at reasonable pricing. Am so looking forward to my week long fuck trip.

[cdnmatt]

You're lying, and you know it.

You messaged 27 random guys in Bangkok, and 25 of them said they're willing to sell their body for a little money? No, that didn't happen.

[latintopxxx]

I messaged 27 Thai guys with above average and suggestive profiles, and said " Hi, what u into, looking for??" I didnt just msg them saying r u a MB and how much?? I do some some finesse. Some come back right away with the MB reply, others only fronted on the 2nd or 3rd post when I suggested we meet.

[latintopxxx]

pricing negotiation took a bit longer, like another 2 or 3 to and fro messages. And u dont have to believe me...its OK.

[cdnmatt]

I'll still call bullshit, but up to you dude.

Maybe I've just been in the "sticks" up here in Khon Kaen too long, but that type of thing simply wouldn't happen here.

[bucknaway]

What? There are money boys on a sex hookup app? Oh my gosh! Hehe

[latintopxxx]

I logged in as if I was in BKK, to be precise I used Babylon as my address. So it was all guys within a 10km radius.

[latintopxxx]

I can hardly wait to see how well I do on grindr, last time I had good hit rate.

[dinagam]

The sample size is too small for Bangkok.
Did you include variables like time of day & prevailing temperature?

[goji]

Even in Pattaya, where Planet Romeo has a very high proportion of money boys, well if I mailed 27 of them, I doubt 25 would be coherent & professional enough to reply.

In Bangkok, the proportion of money boys is much lower. Many are just regular lads out looking for people their own age.
The proportion of money boys is not 25/27.
However, if you have carefully read the profiles and figured out who the money boys are before contacting them, I suppose 25/27 is feasible.
Bangkok definitely has some money boys who will ask for no more than 1000. Some start with that figure.
Others start off with 2000 or more, then will rapidly adjust to 1000 when they realise the client has some understanding of the market.
I figure it's always better to negotiate 1000 & actually pay a bit more for the ones who deserve it.

[fountainhall]

I have rarely looked at gay romeo over the last 2 years, whereas it used to be the source of many non-money liaisons in Bangkok. At that time I would have said 25/27 would be absolutely impossible unless looking only in the escorts section. I am not sure when that site developed its mobile version, but I wonder if many of the non-commercial guys who would automatically have registered there now prefer Hornet, Jack'd etc.? Is there a chance that in some areas of this part of the world gay romeo will eventually meet the fate of sites like gay.com and gaydar?

[latintopxxx]

Well Im kinda glad it puts to rest the whole " there are less MB around" scenario. Maybe there are less in host bars, or local hangouts...but they certainly are all online. Pity I cant log into grindr as if I was in Bangkok like I can with romeo, I already have 9 potential fuck dates lined up.

[cdnmatt]

Dude, why don't you just admit you're lying? You're not going to get a 25/27 hit rate, even if you put your location as Babylon.

Same as you don't hold them by their ears while riding them like a pony, nor do you throw money on the ground and make them kiss your feet while picking it up, nor do you put your feet on their face, nor do you shove them out the door with their face covered in sperm, and so on. Nobody here can do that, and if you did, you would have already been in the newspaper as one of the infamous "flying farangs" we read about.

I mean, how dumb do you think we are? If you're going to lie, at least have the intelligence to come up with something plausible. Some of us live here, and have so for years, so we're pretty familiar with how shit works.

[a447]

Also, if your stories about how you treat the guys in the bars in Sunee - Eros, for example - were true, word would soon get around amongst the boys, especially as you tell us you are such a frequent visitor.

Yet strangely enough, not one of the boys at Eros could remember such an infamous customer like you.

Wierd, huh?

[christianpfc]

I have a soft spot for latin (former latintopxxx) and tend to believe most of his stories (certainly more than cdnmatt), including this one. Especially I like that he means what he says (3 hours fucking is 180 minutes); I remember how I have been exploited a few times when I was new to Thailand.

But do me a favor, provide some proof that you are in Bangkok to corroborate your claim of being in Bangkok. Picture of pool at Malaysia after renovation, picture of any manhole cover on Soi Ngamduplee with detailed description of location so I can check, or something like that.


I'll still call bullshit, but up to you dude.
Maybe I've just been in the "sticks" up here in Khon Kaen too long, but that type of thing simply wouldn't happen here.
Someone here is leaning far out of the window. [Direct translation from German idiom, meaning you could easily lose balance and fall down. How would you say in English?]

[cdnmatt]

No problem believing he's in Bangkok fucking hookers. Loads of people do that. It's just the rest...

[goji]

latin (former latintopxxx)

Having read that, I'm backing CDNMATT.

[latintopxxx]

wow....totally confused. Like now some of u pretend that I havent even been to BKK. As I wrote earlier on I did say that CURRENTLY Im not in BKK, but will be there in a few days for a week. BUT with romeo one can LOG IN AS IF ONE WAS IN BKK, which is what I tend to do so I can pre-book up some arse.
As for " word would get around" if I really behaved the way I do, THINK....I rarely off gogo boys...I dont like being dictated to..U must buy a drink..U must pay the off fee...and lastly most gogo boys have an inflated sense of their value...like really U r worth 2000BHT!!!!
Most of my " offs" are online (grindr/romeo) or just off the street....my fav actualy...because I can actually bargain face to face.
And with the whole " face saving culture" in asia...do u really think a MB is gonna run back to his friends and admit that I used him like a cheap chinese rubber sex toy......no he's gonna paste a smile on his face and wave the cash around.
Why r u all so dumb???.....western values dont apply here...MB is there to make u happy...if u have to care/think about his feelings u might as well stay with your partner.
Best thing about Thailand..is u rent a "body" ...climb on (literally...my fav position is where he fully supports my body weight while I ride him doggy)and have fun.
Note that in response to the comment about eros .... I dont say abuse as i dont believve its abuse...as the MB is there simply to provide me with pleasure and nothing more....otherwise whats the point.
Geez...Ive rambled on forever...and im not even drunk.

[lego]

I live in Bangkok and have done so for long time. I have no problem believing latin in this particular case.

Why? Because he obviously didn't just contact random Bangkok guys. His experience allowed him to preselect likely candidates. Moneyboys and freelancers versus regular Bangkok guys aren't that difficult to sniff out. 1000 Baht, the consensus amount most agreed to, also sounds very realistic for freelancers found online.

[frequent]

I agree with the OP. Apart from the non-Thai "massage boys" every boy I've messaged online has a "starting" price of 1500 baht and you negotiate down from there. The only boys I don't contact are those whose profile is all in Thai script or those who say they are massage boys but also stipulate "English only". My impression is that many of the boys in the Soi Twilight bars are Cambodian or Vietnamese and the mamasans set an expectation of 2000 baht tips but the number of boys being "offed" seemed very low when I've been there this week so I would expect that price is also negotiable.

[frequent]

wow....totally confused. Like now some of u pretend that I havent even been to BKK. As I wrote earlier on I did say that CURRENTLY Im not in BKK, but will be there in a few days for a week. BUT with romeo one can LOG IN AS IF ONE WAS IN BKK, which is what I tend to do so I can pre-book up some arse.
You can use Hornet almost the same way and it seems to be pretty popular. You just use the "Explore" function and type in a location like "Silom Bangkok" and then move around the map.

[cdnmatt]

The only boys I don't contact are those whose profile is all in Thai script or those who say they are massage boys but also stipulate "English only".

Oh, well that changes it. If he's only contacting guys who have something like, "I only like foreigner" in their profile, then yeah, 25/27 hit rate is plausible. Those guys I ignore straight out of the gate.

[Dodger]

Oh, well that changes it. If he's only contacting guys who have something like, "I only like foreigner" in their profile, then yeah, 25/27 hit rate is plausible. Those guys I ignore straight out of the gate.

A 25/27 hit ratio is certainly plausible if you're looking for a money boy (mb). Especially when some of them actually say that they're MB in their profiles...or post nude pics and then list their age preferences between 0 and 99...or insert those lines saying how much they like foreigners.

What's not so easy (with a much lower hit ratio) is finding a non-money boy who is the least bit interested in chatting with a farang who is obviously much older than he is. I always get a kick out of it when I send a message to a guy who presents himself as just being a nice guy looking for a friend or relationship (non-money boy), and then his first reply is..."Where are you now?...LOL.

[frequent]

Also, if your stories about how you treat the guys in the bars in Sunee - Eros, for example - were true, word would soon get around amongst the boys, especially as you tell us you are such a frequent visitor.

Yet strangely enough, not one of the boys at Eros could remember such an infamous customer like you.

Wierd, huh?

Reading back over your posting history, is there any member you haven't called a liar over the years?

[a447]

Yes. You.

Care to post the names of other members I've supposedly called liars? I can't think of any off hand.

[latintopxxx]

ah ..a477...my sparring partner, real nice you made it to a keyboard. Kinda missed you. And christian you mentioned I should prove im here, well arrived last night, surprisingly chipper after an 11 hour Thai airways economy flight, had a good seat and lotsa white wine which was surprisingly good and puts to rest the advice one should avoid alcohol during long flights...ive never felt more relaxed and zen like.
Made it to x-boys for the 10h30 show...what a waste of time...mostly drag queen divas miming cabaret type songs. They did have a big (well not so big) show...but no fuck show.
I offed a gogo boy off grindr, he tried the whole 1500 short time + off fee, but I told him that i was willing to wait until he finished work and that 1000BHT was my max....he agreed. Fucked hin twicw during the 2 hours, he massages me inbetween fucks. Able to take all i threw at him, obviously very practised, didnt even moan while I plowed into him.
This morning, soon after 10 i checked grindr...had 12 messages, replied to the 3 most promising ones and arranged a lovely 20 year muscle MB, again 1000 (but only paid 900) , but he had to climb off his 2000bht perch.
Again fucked him twice. Not as good a bottom as last nights MB, I had to stop several times as he could take the deep thrusts, i did my usual moan and groan about how dissapointed i was that he lied to me about being a bottom, took 100 of the fee, he was annoyed but agreed as it saved him from further anal, meant I had to end up throat fucking him which was real good as it feels like bare backing. Think im going to need half a kamagra pill with my morning coffee moving forward, I cant maintain this pace naturally.
At babs now, full of old farangs and a few doable asians...just need to recharge my batteries. Was a bit surprised that the land next to the austrian embassy has been cleared...anither condo planned??

[latintopxxx]

...and I dont know why i did all my pre research on romeo...grindr is working so well....

[fountainhall]

What's not so easy (with a much lower hit ratio) is finding a non-money boy who is the least bit interested in chatting with a farang who is obviously much older than he is
I don't agree. Patience is all it requires. There are plenty of non-money guys around perfectly happy to be with considerably older farang - at least in Bangkok. But I agree with your caveats about how a profile is written.

[latintopxxx]

sure there are chubby chasers and daddy lovers....but they form a very small minority. Society doesnt help either, most young guys friends will think it totally weird if a young guy, say under 25 is interested in someone over 50 let alone 60's, most would assume he's a kept boy and he would not be accepted in their social circle. I have personal experience where this is concerned.

[latintopxxx]

monday at babs.
Started slowly, pool area slowly filled up mainly with farangs that I wouldnt even look at twice...what a cock killer environment...but I do enjoy the ambiance, pool and waiters.
Around 4pm local talent started filtering and feeling rested I started doing my rounds, finally scored some very nice (surprisingly so for a monday) Asian arse around 4;30, spent almost an hour doing him, left the cubicle covered in sweat...damn aircon not up to strength.
Had a beer...still feeling in the mood...young french guy caught my eye (now where did he come from), didnt actually catch my eye, was parading up and down like a bitch in heat giving me the look.
Decided i should break my rule and do a non-Asian....so wrong...Im in Thailand because I want asian and here i'm suddenly interested in a skinny white thing...what next...women!!
Was a total disaster....knew I shouldnt have broken my rule...bitch wouldnt stop talking...that shrill accent just tiotally put me off....
Checked out and went back to my hotel for a good long nap.
Woke up around nine....off to telephone for a meal and a beer..and a bit of people watching...hopped onto grindr...its like christmas..but still too early...gotta catch a show...off to tawan...what a miserable show...BKK aint what it used to be thats for sure...so bored.
Toddled off to suriwong and soi twilight...beer at hotmale outside bar..onto grindr..selected older toned guy...agreed on the 1000bht fee...he met me at the entrance to the dusit on silom....booked him for 2 hours...took my time...really enjoyed him..delivered as promised,,,would say he over delivered...enthusiastic bottom...amazingly smooth silky skin and the most amazing smile...almost felt wrong shooting across that beautiful face.
note to self: when in Thailand stick to local flavours ONLY.

[fountainhall]

sure there are chubby chasers and daddy lovers....but they form a very small minority. Society doesnt help either, most young guys friends will think it totally weird if a young guy, say under 25 is interested in someone over 50 let alone 60's, most would assume he's a kept boy and he would not be accepted in their social circle. I have personal experience where this is concerned.
And I have personal experience of being with much younger non-commercial Asian guys both here in Thailand and on trips in various countries in Asia and Europe. There has never been an issue with the guy or his friends thinking as you suggest. And that "very small minority" is not so small in Bangkok - and certainly not small at all in other cities like, for example, Taipei! Let's just accept to each his own.

[cdnmatt]

sure there are chubby chasers and daddy lovers....but they form a very small minority. Society doesnt help either, most young guys friends will think it totally weird if a young guy, say under 25 is interested in someone over 50 let alone 60's, most would assume he's a kept boy and he would not be accepted in their social circle. I have personal experience where this is concerned.

Years ago when I was living in Vancouver, I (somehow) ended up having a meeting with a guy in his late 30s who has a net worth of over $400 million, all self made. Naturally, I asked him how he became so successful. His answer? "I surrounded myself with grey hairs, and listened".

Thinking about it, when I was younger, I liked older guys. Not romantically, and there was never sex involved, but some of my best friends were 40 years older than me. With my same age friends it was always, "awww man, that club is going to be booming tonight. let's go pick up some bitches, man!". Instead of doing that, I would go hang out on 60 year old Bob's couch, and have a couple beers. He was simply easier to get along with, wasn't immature like my friends, and there was no pressure or expectations when hanging out with him.

So yeah, no problem believing younger guys at least enjoy the companionship of older guys. And I'm sure sometimes that companionship turns romantic after a while.

[latintopxxx]

maybe its not an issue in MB circles, but in " normal" gay society it is an issue no matter how much you would like to delude yourself. I have to assume that your young partner is benefiting from this relationship be it monetarily or in kind. No " self respecting" 22 year old is going to feel comfortable dragging his 68 year old partner to a club/bar...to mingle with his gay young friends....u probably dont even understand what words like dope and wicked mean.

[cdnmatt]

Who says they have to go to a club / bar? Sometimes there's really smart young guys out there who think using words like "dope" and "wicked" is really fucken stupid. For example, take the one young guy I know. Ok, he's 26 and thinks I'm 31 (I'm actually 34, but hey, I can pass as 31).

He was awarded a full scholarship to KKU as a med student. He specializes in nanotechnology, or more specifically, dielectric capacitors. I don't know what a "dielectric capacitor" is either, but hey, he does. I'm pretty confident he doesn't give a shit if he acts cool at a club using words like "dope" and "wicked". Oh and he's absolutely gorgeous. He doesn't think so, but he is.

[fountainhall]

maybe its not an issue in MB circles, but in " normal" gay society it is an issue no matter how much you would like to delude yourself. No " self respecting" 22 year old is going to feel comfortable dragging his 68 year old partner to a club/bar...to mingle with his gay young friends.
Been there, done that - no issue. Just because you assume the world acts in accordance with your view of it does not make it so.

[christianpfc]

I always get a kick out of it when I send a message to a guy who presents himself as just being a nice guy looking for a friend or relationship (non-money boy), and then his first reply is..."Where are you now?...LOL.
What's wrong with that? I ask that early in a conversation (I'm not into online chat, I prefer meeting in person) to check if we are geographically close, otherwise there would be no chance of meeting now.


And christian you mentioned I should prove im here, well arrived last night,...
And cdnmatt is in Khon Kaen. Can you give me something I can verify?


Was a bit surprised that the land next to the austrian embassy has been cleared...anither condo planned??
According to a Thai friend who works nearby, yes. (However said Thai friend talks a lot, and not all of it is true.)

[christianpfc]

Latintop, are you still in Bangkok? Anything interesting at the Malaysia hotel? (I mean some recent change that hasn't been posted on the forums yet, and if I read it from you that would be proof you where there.)

[latintopxxx]

now, now Christian, you are starting to sound like a447.....:mad:
But guess I will humour you, piece if land next to the Austrian embassy on the same soi as Babs had been totally cleared...how would I know??
and the pool renovations at Babs have been botched, they now have this hideous fake wood border which is already coming apart.
oh, and all the shows in soi twilight as well as at tawan bar are absolutely crap...hardly any nudity...and no fucking.
Happy ??