Not An Endorsement! / The Spy Split

[christianpfc]

However there are times when you just can't avert your eyes from a train wreck happening in front of you. I refer to the carryings-on in Adam's Apple of recent nights. Now, I'm no prude, and definitely keen on the odd orgy, but I'd rather it's not too odd, if you catch my drift.
Can you elaborate please (on the carrying-ons in Adam's Apple)?

[Surfcrest]

As my diligent readers may recall I've spent a few days in Chiang Mai and I've really only one word of advice - don't. However there are times when you just can't avert your eyes from a train wreck happening in front of you. I refer to the carryings-on in Adam's Apple of recent nights. Now, I'm no prude, and definitely keen on the odd orgy, but I'd rather it's not too odd, if you catch my drift. As Bernard Trink was wont to remark, nuff said.

Can you elaborate please (on the carrying-ons in Adam's Apple)?
No, it's just kommie pretending everyone doesn't have him on ignore and baiting a447....again.
He's not in Chiang Mai, he has never seen a447 and it's quite doubtful he's in Bangkok either...Brisbane is more likely.

Surfcrest

The post that is being responded to is a post of kommi's I deleted, seeing the Adam's Apple reference to a447's Chiang Mai report.

As my diligent readers may recall I've spent a few days in Chiang Mai and I've really only one word of advice - don't. However there are times when you just can't avert your eyes from a train wreck happening in front of you. I refer to the carryings-on in Adam's Apple of recent nights. Now, I'm no prude, and definitely keen on the odd orgy, but I'd rather it's not too odd, if you catch my drift. As Bernard Trink was wont to remark, nuff said.

Can you elaborate please (on the carrying-ons in Adam's Apple)?
No, it's just kommie pretending everyone doesn't have him on ignore and baiting a447....again.
He's not in Chiang Mai, he has never seen a447 and it's quite doubtful he's in Bangkok either...Brisbane is more likely.
Can't your famous tools tell you where I am? After all, you proudly proclaimed you could prove that I had never been in Athens?

[Surfcrest]

South Brisbane...because you asked.

Surfcrest

South Brisbane...because you asked.
Zounds! :ymdevil: :(( :)) =)) I bow down before your almighty tool :ymapplause: 8-} :-? @-) South Brisbane. Oh dear me =P~ :D :ymhug: B-)

[Surfcrest]

It's somehow less believable than Athens...or Chiang Mai...or wherever else you've claimed to travel with a447?

This is everyone who has logged on today since you asked this question...oh look!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Surfcrest/Jan2016Map.jpg

Surfcrest

[Smiles]

Cute tool.

Ethiopia!!??

[bkkmfj2648]

Hi Surfcrest,

That map with the geo indicators is really cool.
Could we implement that map for Trip Reports?
It would be really cool to link those geo PINs to GPS data found in our Trip Reports.
So, a SGT user would see a map of Thailand and then by clicking on a geo PIN in a certain area would be linked to all of the relevant Trip Reports for that GPS (and near) PIN point.
When I was planning my trip to Kanchanaburi and Sukhothai I was hard pressed to find any SGT information
I know that we can spend hours using the Search facility - but that is time consuming - where the geo PIN solution would get us right to the area that we are interested in and let us see what other SGT members reported on that area. ChristianPFC's blog would be a perfect example - he has been everywhere in Thailand - but without a geo map - it is difficult to retrieve that precious information in order to plan a trip to those remote outposts...
thanks,
m.

[Nirish guy]

Does Christian not usually include exact map coordinates on his trip reports, surely that gives you the exact location you need when entered on google maps etc?

This is everyone who has logged on today since you asked this question...oh look!
Gosh yes - a dinky little map that shows the geographical location of the server that logged on to SGT. It doesn't show the geographical location of the computer that logged onto the server that logged on to SGT :)) That's what VPNs can be for - to hide the geographical location of the computer that logs onto the server. That's why Netflix's geographical restrictions, for example, can be by-passed using a VPN. It's why many of those lese majeste posts you let Up2U make carrry an advice to use a VPN to read the embedded hyperlink - so Tasty and his merry band don't know the reader is in Thailand =))

[Surfcrest]

Gosh yes - a dinky little map that shows.......
kommie...you're telling more fiction about touring Thailand with a447, why are we arguing about your location?
fiction = fiction.

Surfcrest

[Nirish guy]

.......you're telling more fiction about touring Thailand with a447

Ah, so fiction is the polite word for lies now then is it ?

Now then children, here's something you can try at home without Mummy and Daddy worrying about the nasty things you can come across on the Internet (like SGT). Open up a browser and look for the Ookla Speed Test site - it's http://www.speedtest.net/ (what a surprise)

When you press the big box that says "Begin Test" it will show you a map of the other servers surrounding where the server is that's giving you your unique IP address, that Mr Oookla is going to "ping" to help with the speed test. An IP address is what the Internet uses to identify you so all those bits and bytes whizzing around know where to find you. When you log on to SGT, it's what the SGT server uses to serve up to your browser what you have selected to view

As you can see, the nearest servers to the one I'm logged onto (the one I've been using the entire time I've been in Thailand) is in South Brisbane. No, no, that's wrong. That's what Mr Surfcrest and his 6-bit programmer are telling you. The map clearly shows my server is in Northern Europe, which is not what Mr Surfcrest and his 6-bit programmer are telling you:

[attachment=1:1abialrz]Pings.jpg[/attachment:1abialrz]
And, children, even more exciting is that Mr Ookla then tells you where your server is located. My server is located here:
[attachment=0:1abialrz]Location.jpg[/attachment:1abialrz]
And what's that word down the bottom in the right hand corner? It's the beginning of a word, really. "Lon". Could that be London? Gosh isn't this exciting

[cdnmatt]

I actually logged in with the "dante" account yesterday to take a quick look. Geez kommie, do you really need that many IP addresses? I only checked a handful, but the ones I did check were all proxies / VPNs. I could be wrong, but they don't appear to be Tor exit nodes either, so you're actively purchasing these VPNs.

What are you hiding from? Surfcrest is welcome to check my IP again, and it'll still be a residential 3BB IP. Just to warn you, if you're hiding from law enforcement or the government for some reason, then using VPNs is this fasion is totally fucken useless. Surfcrest may not have the tools available to track you down, but law enforcement definitely does.

You may believe you're being really witty and intelligent, but trust me, you're nowhere near as anonymous as you probably think you are. That's why I don't even bother with VPNs. What's the point? To trip up people like Surfcrest? And if I ever piss off the cops, using a VPN isn't going to help me. You do know all the data you're sending & receiving hits the ISP before it enters the VPN, right? It's not very difficul for the ISP to capture that data stream if they want to.

I actually logged in with the "dante" account yesterday to take a quick look.
Which of them located me in South Brisbane, Matt?

Surfcrest may not have the tools available to track you down ...
You don't say?!! :ymdevil:

[cdnmatt]

Didn't see one from South Brisbane. Again, I only checked a few though, because well... I don't give a shit about you enough to waste more than 30 seconds of my life on you. :)

You're life, feel free to do what you want. Again, just as a warning... there's a chance you're under the impression VPNs keep you more anonymous than they actually do. Up to you.

Again, that's why I don't even bother with them. It's not like I can just anonymously buy a VPN subscription with my bitcoin, then run around acting like an asshole on the internet. I would expect to be in a cell pretty quickly if I did that, and a VPN isn't going to help me.

Didn't see one from South Brisbane.
Really?! :ymdevil: :(( :)) =))

I actually logged in with the "dante" account yesterday to take a quick look. Geez kommie, do you really need that many IP addresses? I only checked a handful, but the ones I did check were all proxies / VPNs. I could be wrong, but they don't appear to be Tor exit nodes either, so you're actively purchasing these VPNs.
It seems you're not quite up to date about commercial (formal) VPN services. All of the best services offer exit servers in multiple countries for a miniscule monthly cost. Taking one simply at random from a Lifehacker article (http://lifehacker.com/5935863/five-best-vpn-service-providers), the provider Private Internet Access (https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/) offers 1000+ exit servers in 10 different countries at a cost of a cup of coffee a month (even in Nakhon Nowhere). Of course I'm going to have dozens and dozens of IP addresses

You appear to be basing some of your cost assumptions on the informal private networks that are provided to me by Kommie's Boys in various far-flung corners of the globe (none, sadly, in South Brisbane). In those cases I simply log on as a user to their server, which then logs into SGT (or somewhere else). However, the cost to me is zero rather than the sort of figures your hyperactive imagination has come up with

Nevertheless I shall as always treasure your thoughts on VPNs, and store these latest ones alongside your earlier comments that any bank, detecting a user logging on to Internet banking via a VPN, will immediately suspend their access

[cdnmatt]

I know all about VPNs Kommie. Personally, I enjoy https://nordvpn.com/ -- they have various servers across the world, excellent support & documentation, cheap prices, and they even accept bitcoin so I don't have to punch in my credit card number.

Again, I could personally care less, but just warning you. Sure, a VPN may allow you to evade folks like Surfcrest and myself, but if you believe you're evading law enforcement for whatever reason (eg. Thai pornography laws), then you're sadly mistaken. If law enforcement ever takes an interest in you, then a VPN isn't going to help you at all. Whether or not you want to believe me is up to you. I really don't give a shit.

[arsenal]

Surely no one really believes a vpn will hide you from a government do they. Most governments have the capability to switch them on and off at a whim. Whatever you think (say for example, the UK government) is capable of doing electronically they're actually capable of doing a whole lot more. The technology available to them is years ahead of that available to ordinary consumers. Ever heard of Bletchley Park?

[cdnmatt]

Surely no one really believes a vpn will hide you from a government do they.

Many people do. They believe you can just anonymously buy a VPN subscription using say a pre-paid credit card or some bitcoin, fire open Tor browser, plus things like XMPP and OTR encryption, and they believe they're some super-sneaky intelligent hacker or some shit. Little do they know, they're no where near as anonymous as they believe they are.

So the rule boys & girls is... don't be an asshole, not even on the internet, because even if you believe you're really intelligent, you can and will be tracked.

[scottish-guy]

.. Whatever you think (say for example, the UK government) is capable of doing electronically they're actually capable of doing a whole lot more. The technology available to them is years ahead of that available to ordinary consumers. Ever heard of Bletchley Park?

Yet (and this may well make some of our American/European members piss themselves laughing) for over 50 years the TV Licensing authorities in the UK have been driving around in essentially empty white vans with a primitive aerial spinning round on the roof - lying that they can detect not only your unlicensed TV set but which floor of a high-rise building you're on and which TV channel you're watching!

It's all a pile of shite - the reality being that this Govt agency actually works from a database of unlicensed or lapse-licenced addresses plus information from retailers who are required to provide the address of every TV purchaser, cross-referenced to other data such as the electoral registers. The "Detector Vans" themselves are useful only as a visible scare tactic to make you think that Big Brother "knows" what you're up to - and for 50 years the nation's curtains have been twitching as a useless "TV Detector Van" drives along a street.

My point being, I'm not technically minded so I have no idea what internet screening can or can't be done or what can or can't be done to evade it - but I do know that very often the extent of what "the authorities" claim to know or to be able to do, bears little resemblence to the truth.

Governments are far more interested in perceptions than in truth - to paraphrase (Christian's mate) Josef Goebbels "the bigger the lie the more it will be believed"

Finally, at a time of global terrorism conducted largely (we're told) over the internet, I'd be rather surprised if anybody is devoting serious resources into the ramblings published on this board (including my own). If it were any different then I rather suspect that (assuming their reports are accurate) several of our esteemed members would be getting turned back at the Thai immigration counters!!

:))

... but if you believe you're evading law enforcement for whatever reason (eg. Thai pornography laws), then you're sadly mistaken.
Do try not to attribute whatever motives you may have to other people - it shows a complete lack of imagination. After all, just because your method of accumulating wealth is the one preferred by child pornographers, drug dealers, kidnappers and other low lifes doesn't make you (or Bruce) fall into one of those categories :D

My point being, I'm not technically minded so I have no idea what internet screening can or can't be done or what can or can't be done to evade it - but I do know that very often the extent of what "the authorities" claim to know or to be able to do, bears little resemblence to the truth.
Or, as in this case, what Surfcrest claims he can do

[Smiles]

FAIR WARNING: Reading anything written by Kommentariat these days is NOT an endorsement.
AYOR . . . as they say in Spartacus.

[Surfcrest]

Or, as in this case, what Surfcrest claims he can do
I don't claim to do anything. I think through our small battle with the Bitchboard a few years back and the banning or preventing of these individuals from even visiting this site as a guest is all the proof I need to be the first administrator to permanently ban you from this site. This is what I have planned for you, once you've "irked" me to the point that it's finally time to press the button and send you off like Zebedee, Ron and timmberty...so, like them, that we never see you back here again. :ymdevil:

Oh...have a nice day eh!

Surfcrest

[arsenal]

Scottish: Mrs Caladonia watching Eastenders without a television licence is hardly the same as some one who wants to gun down some people celebrating new years eve. And you're wrong, they almost certainly ARE looking at message boards like this one as well as many others. Why? Because when Mr Khalif and Mr Ahmed suddenly join and start conversing with each other it's something the government is interested in and if they're not, they bloody well should be.

GCHQ is pretty fucking big, They're doing something there and I doubt it's The Sun crossword.

[cdnmatt]

GCHQ is pretty fucking big, They're doing something there and I doubt it's The Sun crossword.

Yeah, GCHQ along with folks like the NSA, CIA and US Navy just went ahead and tapped the submarine cables. Pretty ballsy move, but what's anyone going to do about it? It's not like anyone is going to invade the US anytime soon.

So instead of just targeting specific companies / individuals, they opted to capture all the internet traffic instead. Probably 95% of what you're sending goes through those submarine cables, hence filters at places like GCHQ, NSA, etc. If anything you say or do hits one of their filters, you're going to get red flagged and looked at more closely. In that case, things like a VPN don't help you -- only smug idiots like Kommie believe that.

[arsenal]

CDMatt: Exactly. That is their job. It's what they do. And I for one am glad they do it but then I'm not planning to blow people up while they're out shopping.

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, my biggest concern is what things are going to look like in 10 or 20 years. Right now, as far as I can tell, those powers are only used for military based or high-level FBI investigations, etc.

I really hope access to that data doesn't get opened up to local law enforcement throughout the world though, as that would be a bad thing. Your average street cop generally has an IQ of 80, so they don't need access to all that data.

[scottish-guy]

..Mrs Caladonia watching Eastenders without a television licence is hardly the same as some one who wants to gun down some people celebrating new years eve..

What that really means is you don't/can't actually dispute what I said.
Therefore in an attempt to discredit it, you conflate it with something I didn't say or point to.
Please point to where I said TV licensing is the same as gunning people down in the street.

What I actually said is the UK Govt lies every minute of every day about its capabilities (I would expect nothing less)!
Therefore we all should be careful in "supposing" anything, because in doing so you're just playing their game and talking out a hole in your head - which brings me to your next statement.


...And you're wrong, they almost certainly ARE looking at message boards like this one as well as many others...

"Almost certainly" means you actually have no idea whether I'm wrong or not - your first 3 words are redundant.
Do you seriously believe that some little nerd is sitting in GCHQ specifically following Arsenal's every post on SGT?
Matt has told you how it works - it's filters and keywords, so unless the keywords and phrases include "short-time", "cock", "suck", "fuck", or "1500B" then frankly nobody is interested in what you/we/I have to say.


"...When Mr Khalif and Mr Ahmed suddenly join and start conversing with each other it's something the government is interested in and if they're not, they bloody well should be..

Racism much?


...GCHQ is pretty fucking big, They're doing something there and I doubt it's The Sun crossword.

Again, Matt has told you exactly what they're doing when it comes to screening - global, interactive spying based on keywords and triggers. Decades ago it was decided that the UK would spy on USA citizens and vice-versa. For our half of the bargain that means a lot of UK security employees you know, and a big building.

The point of my post was that we actually know next to nothing about what capabilities Governments have or don't have. This just in: THEY LIE. I know they lie, and let's be honest, YOU know they lie!

It seems to me you've swallowed the Govt propaganda hook, line, and sinker - to the extent that you're scanning the streets (with your tinfoil helmet on), looking furtively at brown-skinned people with long beards called Khalif and Ahmed.

The reality is that if anybody is going to gun you down or blow you up, it's more likely to be an outwardly "respectable" British national who lives in your own town, works in a local call-centre, and of whom the security services are blissfully unaware. So much for "security"

[cdnmatt]

And I for one am glad they do it but then I'm not planning to blow people up while they're out shopping.

Why would you be glad they do it? I hate that "if you have nothing to hide, what are you worried about?" line people use. That's not the point. I don't have anything to hide, but I don't feel like having my entire life databased and catalogued without my consent. That's bullshit, and that's what happening.

If you have cause for suspicision that I'm doing something I shouldn't be, then ok, go ahead and put survelliance on me, wire tap me, read my e-mails, and so on. That's understandable. However, that's not what they're doing. They're grabbing almost literally 100% of the world's internet traffic, filtering and databasing it. They're not getting search warrants or anything. They're just simply stealing everyone's data.

Again, I highly doubt they care in the slightest about us peons, and our sexual proclativies in Thaiand. However, in 10 or 20 years, that may no longer be the case, as expanding these powers is the logical progression. When you return home to visit your family, do you really want some cocky 23 year old immigration official questioning you about *ths* or *that* post you made on SGT while you were on vacation? Whether you like it or not, there is the potential of things like that happening in the future. Whether or not it actually happens remains to be seen, but the technical capability will be available to governments.

Then as scottish-guy pointed out, we don't actually know what their capabilities are. We know a fair bit, but it goes without saying, they're probably capable of a whole lot more. For example, the most commonly used encryption algorithms are currently considered secure, but at the same time, it's not like the NSA is going to publicly announce when they've broken a certain algorithm. If they haen't perfected quantum comptuing yet, they're definitely working on it, and that's going to weaken nearly every encryption algorithm on the plarnet.

And the NSA didn't do things like build this data center in Utah (https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/) for no reason. It's absolutely massive, and over 1 million square feet. That's probably the largest data center the human civilization has ever seen, and I'm quite confident it wasn't built to host the President's weekly radio addresses.

[arsenal]

Scottish, you're clearly in one of your ever more frequent 'anti UK moods' so there is probably little point in trying to engage you in rational discussion, But I shall try. No, of course their not interested in the goings on of members bedrooms and I never suggested they were. However do you really think terrorists use conventional means to communicate with each other? No, they use other less obvious ways and message boards are one of the ways they COULD. Therefore it is likely that organisations interested in their activities will keep tabs on them. It is also unlikely meta words will trigger a full investigation. It is more likely someone who understands language and it's little idiosyncracies. can see between the lines and perhaps deduce something that may not be instantly recognisable. In short someone like me. The Gatekeeper with a not undeserved reputation for troll spotting. It's the language Scotty.

CDMatt. Do you not think that governments have been spying on their own citizens since time began. Of course they have.

I'm not sure either of you actually understand the role of the intelligence services. What do you want from them?

[cdnmatt]

I'm not sure either of you actually understand the role of the intelligence services. What do you want from them?

To get a warrant from a judge due to reasonable suspicion, instead of just spying on all 7 billion of us carte blanche.

[arsenal]

And how exactly are they supposed to know who to spy on without doing a little spying first?

[scottish-guy]

I'm sorry Arsenal but if you really want to have a rational discussion then stop inventing things I DIDN'T say and dis-inventing things you DID say.

You DID say that the intelligence services would be reading this board and boards like it - now you're saying that whilst they're not interested in the mundane shite of who's fucking who and for how much, they are looking for hidden meanings within the posts?

We''ll I'm sorry to burst your bubble (and maybe that of our esteemed owner) but mundane shite about who's bonking who and the means and ramifications of said bonking is all there is :))

As for hidden meanings - most posts struggle to have much in the way of obvious meaning, far less anything underlying it :))

If the security services have this board under scrutiny then what a waste of bloody resources!

As for what "we" want from the security services - Matt nailed it!

Finally:


And how exactly are they supposed to know who to spy on without doing a little spying first?

Well, you've already told us - Messrs Khalif & Ahmed wasn't it - or anybody else with a funny name and a beard.

[cdnmatt]

And how exactly are they supposed to know who to spy on without doing a little spying first?

By arresting people after they do something bad, interrogating them, getting to know their accomplices and friends, etc. You know, standard law enforcement work. Remember that whole innocent until proven guilty mantra?

I don't know, I guess there's a couple different mind sets here. On one hand, you have people such as yourself who are naive enough to think these survelliance programs are making us more safe. Then you have people such as myself who believe, a) it's complete illegal bullshit, and b) it's actually making us less safe due to the amount of resentment it's causing.

Then there's people like you who are naive enough to trust not only current governments, but future governments with this amount of data. I'm not that optimistic. All it'll take is a few far right governments to get elected, a little bit of time to expand that infrastructure, and that data will begin getting used against common folk like us. Donald Trump is probably a decent example of that.

What's that famous quote again? "Those who give up liberty in the name of security deserve neither"? Yeah, I think that's the one I'm looking for.

[Surfcrest]

You DID say that the intelligence services would be reading this board and boards like it - now you're saying that whilst they're not interested in the mundane shite of who's fucking who and for how much, they are looking for hidden meanings within the posts?

I believe arsenal may be closer to the mark with this one. I think if you look at the Edward Snowden discussions you would see that one of the approaches to internet intelligence is to pool as much information as possible and then to sift through that information for keywords. The keywords magnify the searches to either leads or non-leads and that magnification either increases, or is abandoned depending on the risk. While I doubt any intelligence is reading this Board today, that's not to say that couldn't change in a hurry. Make a post with one of those "keywords" in the title or the body of the post and no doubt, I'll notice some extra traffic.

The front end of this site knows there is a message board attached and keeps track of all page views from anywhere on the site. This includes guests, members and bots. It keeps track of all external activity, so that I know when the Bitchboard members are up to fun and games, whether we are being attacked by Spam or hackers, whether the Thai authorities are having a look around, whether facebook is cruising through with some bots or whether we have a legitimate person trying to join Sawatdee.

I have included a snapshot of my own activity from yesterday. The system knows it's me, by my log in history and that I'm logged in from my building downtown. It keeps track of everything I do while I am here. It's not interactive with the Board's software and so can't describe in detail the Board actions other than to provide a link to the page, where possible. It keeps track of what page I am at before I arrive here and where I go after I leave.

If you look at the map I posted earlier in the thread you'll notice all of the members spread out to the different countries we'd expect (We'll maybe not Ethiopia...but maybe latin is traveling) in fact you might be able to see your own location that day. There is no clumping by members to the Proxy service they subscribe or VPN, as kommie would lead you to believe.

All of these tools were handy to block Bitchboard Sally from making posts about what she saw or read over here, because she wasn't able to. It has allowed me to see the Thai government snooping around from time to time, not ever getting any farther than our front page. If you visit the front page, you'll see that I support both the TAT and Gay in Thailand, a government sponsored group promoting a less moneyboy vision of Gay Thailand. I do this mainly for their benefit. It also allows me to manage the bots, as these little critters wander about in the site capturing "keywords" that might be of interest to facebook or Google users. I can monitor the work that I do with Google Web Tools with some of the external response we get. Most importantly, this tool allows me to manage the Spam and malicious attacks we and every other site gets from other sites looking to tag on to our traffic. I delete all Spam, as some of these come with malicious attachments that can harm the site. If you go through our membership rolls, you will not see any Spam members...unlike Gay Thailand.com.

Rest assured, this system does not allow me to spy on you or your activity. This is just a snapshot of one of the many tools available to us here. You can imagine the US government, with their one million cubic foot facility and all the information they are trying to funnel their filters to find they keywords that will lead them to crime or terrorism? If you wonder what I'm doing in the snap shot, I am reviewing new members and deleting the Spam.

Surfcrest

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Surfcrest/SurfcrestJan.jpg

[arsenal]

And neither do you Scottish. Quite clearly.

CDMatt: The general idea of good intelligence is to arrest people while they are planning to do something bad, not afyter they have done it.
It's like going to the supermarket. All you want is some chicken but in order to find the chicken you have to look (briefly) at many other things first. All the security services want are terrorists. spies etc. But in order to find them they have to look (briefly) at many other people too. You and me for instance. Ans Scottish is a self confessed enemy of the state so he's under permanent surveillance. Didn't you notice Scotty that naked German boy dancing on the table in Hamburg was actually an undercover MI5 operative.

[cdnmatt]

Again, two different mind sets here. One is people such as yourself who believe intentions alone are enough to throw someone in a cell for 10 years. Then there's people such as myself who believe that's far too slippery of a slope to be standing on, and we should probably wait until they break a law before throwing them in a cell. I'm also of the beleif that too many innocent people get caught up in this stuff, which breeds resentment, and ultimately makes us less safe.

Regardless, this conversation is obviously just going in a circle, so let's just agree to disagree.

[arsenal]

It's a deal Matt.

[Tobi]

Guantanamo Bay. Guilty, even when you've been proved innocent. http://d.pr/16Asg

[francois]

Again, two different mind sets here. One is people such as yourself who believe intentions alone are enough to throw someone in a cell for 10 years. Then there's people such as myself who believe that's far too slippery of a slope to be standing on, and we should probably wait until they break a law before throwing them in a cell. I'm also of the beleif that too many innocent people get caught up in this stuff, which breeds resentment, and ultimately makes us less safe.
.
I do agree with you matt on this one.

[christianpfc]

... and the banning or preventing of these individuals from even visiting this site as a guest..."irked" me to the point that it's finally time to press the button and send you off like Zebedee, Ron and timmberty...so, like them, that we never see you back here again.
Timmberty asked me to post this on his behalf:

Would you inform Surcrest I [timmberty] often read the board. Thanks.

And could we get back to my original question:

However there are times when you just can't avert your eyes from a train wreck happening in front of you. I refer to the carryings-on in Adam's Apple of recent nights. Now, I'm no prude, and definitely keen on the odd orgy, but I'd rather it's not too odd, if you catch my drift.
Can you elaborate please (on the carrying-ons in Adam's Apple)?

[Surfcrest]

... and the banning or preventing of these individuals from even visiting this site as a guest..."irked" me to the point that it's finally time to press the button and send you off like Zebedee, Ron and timmberty...so, like them, that we never see you back here again.
Timmberty asked me to post this on his behalf:

Would you inform Surcrest I [timmberty] often read the board. Thanks.

And could we get back to my original question:

However there are times when you just can't avert your eyes from a train wreck happening in front of you. I refer to the carryings-on in Adam's Apple of recent nights. Now, I'm no prude, and definitely keen on the odd orgy, but I'd rather it's not too odd, if you catch my drift.
Can you elaborate please (on the carrying-ons in Adam's Apple)?
I see timmberty's mouth is still running a gear ahead of his brain. The quote you provided referred to the Bitchboard girls, not timmberty...although I do admit I have blocked timmberty just because I wasn't able to give him a pinch on the bum. I forgot all about him until I looked to see who was still left from that list. I'll go back to forgetting his miserableness.

As for kommie's quote Christian, that was in reference to a447's Chiang Mai report that kommie wanted to hijack into another one of his Sojourn series. I deleted that reference, as I said I would when this whole kommie to a447 thing began. Sorry about that.

Surfcrest

[loke]

If you want to hide , log in to someone else WiFi , not your own . VPN are useless.

[Surfcrest]

Today, while doing some maintenance work I went looking at your Google links associated to either Sawatdee Network, Sawatdee-Gay-Thailand and the Sawatdee Forum. Sometimes Spam likes to hijack our link, to surf more traffic to their site. I stumbled on an obscure link, from an article on terrorism that we were credited as a source, based on an old thread.

Have a look...a bit spooky!

The threads:

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/forum/bombs-bkk-t26125.html?hilit=yala

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/forum/post88319.html?hilit=yala%20banks#p88319

http://sawatdeenetwork.com/forum/post88137.html?hilit=yala%20banks#p88137

The reference:


Encyclopedia of Terrorism, Volume 1
By Peter Chalk
https://books.google.ca/books?id=-wwPNjSnxcYC&pg=PA756&lpg=PA756&dq=sawatdee-gay-thailand&source=bl&ots=rqQBRF2jeR&sig=F9LgOq4G_8coM7BsyfF-VBQqjRc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjb-J3R1MTKAhVLw2MKHRIoAowQ6AEIYzAJ#v=onepage&q=sawatdee-gay-thailand&f=false

Surfcrest