Rentboy.com

[bruce_nyc]

I had used Rentboy.com very often in New York, and all over the US, for years. When I came to Thailand, I did use it a few times to find "high quality" guys in Bangkok. It was known as the *premium* site for the best ( high end ) guys... all over the world... That reputation might, or might not have, been deserved. But it was almost always the most expensive guys around. And the advertising rates that the guys had to pay to be listed on it... were also commensurately the highest as well.

I just wonder what site, or sites, is now filling the void left behind.... in the aftermath of the US government's big brother misguided morality campaign.

What Did Busting Rentboy.com Do to the Hustler Economy? 6 Rentboys Tell All
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... oycom.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/six-rentboys-on-hustling-after-rentboycom.html)

[Tobi]

Rentboy were idiots, all they had to do was domicile themselves somewhere like Amsterdam, rather than NY where prostitution isn't legal. I've found a lot of the guys from Rentboy are all grown up and can now be found on Rentmen. ;)

[bruce_nyc]

Yeah but the *customers* have never heard of RentMen. It's never been a well-known site. It might take *years* before the upscale clientele who always used Rentboy will (1) find out about RentMen, and (2) feel safe enough to *trust* using another web site.... after the USSA Big Brother has flexed it's Morality Police iron fist.

By the way, where is RentMen based....?

[Tobi]

I think you'll find more people have heard of rentmen than rentboy, it was always the more popular platform outside of the USA. The co. is domiciled in Bulgaria but the owners are in the USA.

[scottish-guy]

Thanks to Bruce and Tobi for making me aware of Rentmen - I'd never heard of it.

I took a look at some of the Escort profiles - and can say that if I ever develop bulimia nervosa and need to vomit on demand, a quick look at the pics on Rentman will prove invaluable.

:ymsick:

Of course I realise that it's a matter of each to his own and that attractiveness is subjective, so the same applies - I'll re-visit Rentman should I ever become a mincing, lisping, gay desperado fairy or develop a daddy fetish. :))

[Smiles]

Thanks to Bruce and Tobi for making me aware of Rentmen - I'd never heard of it.
I took a look at the front page and can honestly say that if I ever develop bulimia nervosa and need to induce vomiting on demand, the Rentman pics will prove invaluable. :ymsick:
:)) Yes ... just exactly the kind of booty-calls the hairy and muscular 'SawatdeeMen' are cruising and salivating for, all the time, 24-7 . . . in Sunnee/Boyztown host bars and gogos.

[bruce_nyc]

Wow. If the owners / operators are in the USA, that's bad. It will likely be the next target. It doesn't matter where the servers are, or the company on paper is.... It matters where those operating it are. Too bad. Wish they were in China.

Yes, those seeking sex workers in Sunee, and Thailand in general, are definitely seeking more a RentVeryYoungMen type of venue..... than a RentMEN....

[Tobi]

Nope. It doesn't. An American citizen can legally own a brothel in Nevada or Amsterdam. They don't have to live in the brothel.

[bruce_nyc]

Nope. It doesn't. An American citizen can legally own a brothel in Nevada or Amsterdam. They don't have to live in the brothel.

As long as it only operates in a fully legal and licensed location... That might be true. Maybe.... it's a legal grey area. Technically, if something is illegal in your home jurisdiction you can be prosecuted for doing it abroad.... Even if it is legal there.

However, that's definitely not the case with any of those websites. They have listings globally.

If they even have one single customer or advertiser in the US, Europe, or Asia.... even in Thailand.... They're breaking US law for sure. The FBI will be after them. ( If it can be proved that they knew what was really being sold.... )

[Tobi]

Maybe.... it's a legal grey area. Technically, if something is illegal in your home jurisdiction you can be prosecuted for doing it abroad.... Even if it is legal there.

No. That's not the case. It's a common misconception. If you own a cannabis farm in Colorado, you can't travel to Oklahoma? If you own a casino in Las Vegas, you can't reside in Utah? Do you think owning a boy bar in Thailand makes you a criminal in the USA or the UK because it has American or European customers? There has to be a specific and separate law that applies. For example, if you have sex with a 14 year old in another country, you can be prosecuted in the USA under their law that you travelled abroad for the purpose of underage (in the USA) sex, a different and separate offence.

[bruce_nyc]

Unfortunately, yes, it is the case....

Big Brother really has global power over you..... already.

It's called "extraterritorial jurisdiction".

(1) Traveling from Colorado to Oklahoma is not traveling abroad, by the way.

(2) Study this: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=334052 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=334052)

[Tobi]

No it's not. The prosecution in that case would have to have relied on "travel with intent" to have sex with those under the age of 16. Let's see if I can make this simple. If you open a brothel in New York, you can be prosecuted. If you open a brothel in certain counties in Nevada, you can't. If you live in New York, you can't be prosecuted for owning a brothel in Nevada... nor in Amsterdam, nor Berlin, nor Sydney, nor.... This is exactly how Rentmen (Bulgaria) and Rentmasseur (Amsterdam) remain untouched.

Rentboy were idiots for domiciling themselves and their company in New York.

[bruce_nyc]

No. There's more to it than that. You'd really have to read and understand that entire discussion I posted a link to.

For example,


As part of my research for the thread I had about the 1933 double eagle coins (which are illegal to own), a man was arrested for trying to sell it in London (where, presumably, owning a 1933 gold double eagle is not illegal) and then brought back to the U.S. and charged with the crime here.

There are a *lot* more issues involved.... And, basically, if they want to, they can get you.

I remember very clearly reading a news report about a guy who was simply running a travel tour company web site in the US. He was promoting trips to Thailand. Some guy called him up and kept pressuring him with more and more suggestive questions... until he got to something like, "Can I get laid in Thailand?" etc, etc.

The moment the guy finally answered in the least bit of an affirmative... The FBI raided him and arrested him. .....even though he wasn't promoting anything... except tourism to Thailand.

[Tobi]

I did read the entire post, most of which is hearsay. Oh, and you missed the bit that says "In the end, the government dropped the charges and the coin actually became legal - becoming the only legal 1933 gold double eagle in existence".

Yes, you can be arrested for anything, doesn't mean a charge can be made to stick, does it?

You seem to think that someone who owns a cannabis farm in Colorado or a brothel in Nevada can't ever leave the relevant state for fear of arrest and prosecution in a state where such activities aren't legal. It doesn't work like that.

If you can legally own a brothel in Nevada, what makes you think you can't legally own one in Amsterdam?

[bruce_nyc]

Again, we're not talking about the difference in laws from state to state. We're talking about things that are legal *abroad*... but not legal in the US.


"...traveling across international borders, using a US passport, with the intent to....." ( fill in the blank )

The simple fact that they *can* and *have* passed laws that make traveling abroad and doing something that is quite legal in that foreign country... but making *that* a crime in the US... says that they can make anything illegal... in any country.

To find out what actually *is* legal... or illegal... you'd have to consult a very good attorney.

[Tobi]

We're talking about things that are legal *abroad*... but not legal in the US.

Nope, I'm afraid you've lost the plot.

We were talking about the legality of running the cyber equivalent of a brothel, and it's legal to run a brothel in Nevada, which is in the USA.

It's also legal to run a brothel in Amsterdam. But it's not legal to run a brothel in New York.

If the Rentboy corporation was domiciled in Amsterdam, the hosting was in the Netherlands and all financial transactions processed by a Dutch payment gateway then regardless of where the owners live, they couldn't have been prosecuted under current US law.

That's what we were talking about.

[bruce_nyc]

Sorry. That's just not true.

Try living in the USA and running an online gambling site where the company, hosting, domain registration, and everything..... is "domiciled" abroad.

Let me know how that goes for you. :)

And if you have even 1 customer from the USA, then you are committing a crime within the USA.

[pong]

For those who have discovered this world is a bit larger as just that US:
back to OQ: most countries have more or less their own special site. i did not know about that rentmen, so took a look.
F.e. in Germany gayromeo lists most, in other there is boys4u.com. Now my surprise: several boys touting on boys4u are also on rentmen in that country and quote prices 50% higher (f.e. 150 for 100 eur/hr). It seems several of those sites are interlinked-just as many hotelbookingsites.

[bruce_nyc]

They're not interlinked. It's simple. If you are a smart money boy, you will advertise on *every* web site..... to increase your income. Also, you will advertise a rate that is in line with the average rates others on that site are charging. Some web sites seem to have very expensive rates advertised. ( For example, Rentboy.com was known for expensive rate escorts. $300/hour was a common rate. ) Others seem to have guys advertising lower rates. So it's not surprising that you could find the *same* guy with two different rates on two different web sites.... one for high end clients.... and one for average clients.

It's also a lot easier than most people realize..... to negotiate with a rentboy in order to get a lower rate.

[Tobi]

Sorry. That's just not true.

Try living in the USA and running an online gambling site where the company, hosting, domain registration, and everything..... is "domiciled" abroad.

Let me know how that goes for you. :)

And if you have even 1 customer from the USA, then you are committing a crime within the USA.

Absolute rubbish. If you bothered to check rather than just pontificating about whatever floats around in your head, you'd learn that online gambling relies on state laws, just the same as for prostitution. New Jersey expressly allows online bets to be taken by in-state companies on poker games, casino games and slots but weirdly excludes sports betting.

I don't see the Feds even attempting to close down all the UK online gambling sites, do you? That's because they don't have any jurisdiction to close down a legitimate business in another country. Oh, and many US companies and individuals hold shares in UK online gambling enterprises, which legally makes them part-owners too.

For example, William Hill, a UK bookmaker and one of the world's largest online gambling companies has a string of sportsbooks in Nevada, it also has a secondary listing on the NY stock exchange.

[Nirish guy]

"I don't see the Feds even attempting to close down all the UK online gambling sites, do you?"

Actually Tobi, if i understand it correctly I think in the past that's exactly what the Feds have tried to do......see random link below and there are several other similar links and stories that I didn't bother to post. I've pasted a few lines from the link below just for quick reference.

"Gambling online just got significantly less convenient Friday when the U.S. Government shut down the three largest Internet gambling sites operating in the United States. problem gets a bit dicey when you realize that these three online organizations are not based in the U.S. For instance, PokerStars headquarters is on the Isle of Man, a self-governed British Crown Dependency located in the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland."

"Will the Isle of Man or other countries where these gambling organizations are based comply with U.S. extradition requests? "

Source : http://mashable.com/2011/04/16/online-p ... rhEVZAZ8qw (http://mashable.com/2011/04/16/online-poker/#i4rhEVZAZ8qw)

[Tobi]

If you read that very old article, you'll see all three broke a very specific law, that they were using US banks to process the proceeds of gambling, which is what was illegal. For a more recent take, have a look at http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/21/ ... legal.html (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/01/21/cybergambling-returns-and-this-time-it-legal.html) :)

However, it's also an apple and oranges comparison regarding the original post. It's perfectly legal for an American to own outright or hold shares in an overseas company whose business may be illegal in certain states in the USA, in the same way a New Yorker can own a brothel or a casino in Nevada. Hey, the American government avails itself of this practice, a classic example is Guantanamo Bay. :D