Is there a police sting operation going on, or???

[cdnmatt]

In the past while, I've had lots of 15 - 17 year olds contact me out of the blue on Grindr / Hornet / PlanetRomeo. Obviously, I've turned them all down, because I don't particularly feel like spending the next 10 years of my life in a Thai jail cell.

But I'm at a bit of a loss. what's this about? Are they just legit horny teenagers looking someone to take care of them, or are they police masquerading as teenagers, or? Either way, I refuse them, but still leaves me scratching my head a little, because the number of them has increased greatly in the past little while.

[BOY69]

Thai boys are more open minded and they see it like a legitimate way to make money or find a sugar daddy but you are taking a big risk here if something goes wrong with them you may find yourself behind bars[[[]]]

[malchik21]

I am not sure why the police or NGO's would be that fussed about boys of 15 and up meeting up in a public place. If you are unsure then don't invite them to your hotel/condo first time. The lower teen age group would be their concern I would have thought. If they were working in a bar or gogo then that would be different. My boyfriend is 21 but would pass for 16 easily. I am as hopeless and the next in guessing ages of the boys. Incidentally having just finished FaceTime him he tells me they are expecting a police raid tonight. Thats at Jomtein.

[Gaybutton]

I doubt it's a sting operation. If it was, I think you would be told the boy is 18, but when he shows up it turns out he is really under age and that's when you would get a free room at Klong Prem.

At least they're telling you they're under age. I'm glad you have enough sense to know not to walk, but run from under age boys.

Any time a boy's age is questionable, make sure to look at his ID card and verify his age before letting him into your room - and make sure the card is really his. But if he's under age, once you've got him behind closed doors now you're vulnerable to anything ranging from arrest to blackmail scams. If you're staying in a hotel, have the desk clerk check his ID card too. And if the boy, for any reason, can't produce his ID card, that's when to say "Good Night and Good Luck."

[cdnmatt]

Any time a boy's age is questionable, make sure to look at his ID card and verify his age before letting him into your room

Yeah, I never check them for ID up here, as that would just be rude. However, I never let them know where I live either, and we always just go to a "curtain motel" close by. I learned my lessons from Kim as to what happens when you piss off the wrong Thai guy. :) There's one I'd like to let know where I live, but still a little on edge about it. That, and no one I go with is anywhere close to under age.

But no, it's just usually I'll have one teenager here or there contacting me, which is fine, and easy enough to let them know I'm not interested. However, all of a sudden in the past few days I have about 8 of them messaging me. That's not normal, hence why I'm wonderng WTF is going on.

Also, off-topic, but how the fuck do you guys deal with these idiots in Pattaya? I got bored this afternoon, and messaged a few of them on PlanetRomeo. They don't exactly hide the fact their money boys, do they? Almost instantly, requests for money come. Here, it's much more civil, although takes a bit of work. Most are looking for an actual BF, but there are people around willing to just have some fun in exchange for some money. Just takes a little effort to find them, but far better than all the sob stories I got today from greedy idiots looking for money.

[Old git]

On the odd occasion that I've read about some guy getting prosecuted for under-age activity it's invariably because he's been either a) Chasing boys or girls who are under 15 or b) Actively chasing them on the internet

Anyone who knows Thai law (and the way it's applied..) knows that playing with under 18s is a blackmailer's dream come true, but I can't recall (recently, at least..) a court case in Thailand where someone got done for taking a 17yo back to his room - but maybe that just doesn't make the press..

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, technically, the age of consent here is 15. However, 15 - 18 is a bit of a grey area. If you have someone between 15 - 18, you can't provide any monetary gifts whatosever, otherwise it's illegal and could possibly land you in a world of hurt.

Nonetheless, I don't really give a shit. I'm perfectly happy with gorgeous 23 year olds willing to take their pants off for me for $50. That suits me just fine. :)

For example, had a 16 year old guy today saying, "ohh, don't worry, my sister got married when she was 15, so it's fine", haha. Then Kim's little sister got married and had a kid when she was 16, so...

[latintopxxx]

gaybutton....it could very well be a police sting operation and yes they will say that they are under 18 and if u do still express interest in meeting then it confirms u r a pedo. Simple. Do u get it??
But this is besides the point, children should be left alone, sexual acts should only be between consenting adults. I realise that in places like Pattaya they grow up fast being exposed to the wicked ways of the world from an early age....but they are still children. Even in countries where the age of consent is 16 I still dont think its correct.

[Old git]

wicked ways of the world

The one that always bugs me are the people who would rather people starved or died of curable diseases than have the occasional shag for cash..

[colmx]

I think you will find that your UA friend is more likely a 60 year old farang getting his kicks from pretending to be a teenager...
We have at least one of them on this board!

[latintopxxx]

how on earth did u reach THAT conclusion from my post....u MUST be a card carrying supporter of the green party!!

[thaiguest]

Yeah, technically, the age of coconsentere is 15. However, 15 - 18 is corrupt of a grey area. foreignere someone between 15 - 18, you can't provide any monetary gifts whatosever, otherwise it's illegal and could possibly land you in a world of hurt.

Nonetheless, I don't really give a shit. I'm perfectly happy with gorgeous 23 year olds willing to take their pants off for me for $50. That suits me just fine. :)

For example, had a 16 year old guy today saying, "ohh, don't worry, my sister got married when she was 15, so it's fine", haha. Then Kim's little sister got married and had a kid when she was 16, so...

My (non- expert) opinion is that the 15 yr age of consent applies to Thai-Thai with parental consent. For Foreigner-Thai it's 18 yrs.
For scammers and blackmailers a boy/girl who's 17yrs 11months is perfect. Remember that corrupt police are not interested in protecting children or anyone else for that matter.

[Old git]

My (non- expert) opinion is that the 15 yr age of consent applies to Thai-Thai with parental consent. For Foreigner-Thai it's 18 yrs.

Often interpreted as that, but the law itself makes no distinction as to the ethnicity of the parties involved.

From a social point of view, and speaking as someone who once boarded at a British public school; I can say with confidence that even for 100% heteros, getting buggered at 15 does not mark boys for life, mentally. If the choice is between scavenging, stealing and going to sleep hungry in a doorway, or selling your backside to a farang for an hour to get enough to see you through the week, then the latter is probably the better option, albeit illegal.

However, even if you think the law is wrong and you have right on your side, the scope for blackmail and extortion is enormous, and you can be sure that elements of Thai low-life have their methods well practised.

Newbies to Thailand also need to be aware that in towns and cities, beggars, flower kids and jail-bait urchins are bussed in by well organised gangs - don't patronise any of them..

[Gaybutton]

Almost instantly, requests for money come.
I don't know how to respond to that. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I use Gay Romeo regularly. I've never had that happen. If it did, I wouldn't give money to someone I've never even met. I would use the ignore feature.



Newbies to Thailand also need to be aware that in towns and cities, beggars, flower kids and jail-bait urchins are bussed in by well organised gangs - don't patronise any of them..
I agree. And that's very good advice which I hope people will follow.

[cdnmatt]

I don't know how to respond to that. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I use Gay Romeo regularly. I've never had that happen. If it did, I wouldn't give money to someone I've never even met. I would use the ignore feature.

I don't know, it's just a different vibe talking with them. Almost right away they were saying their looking for a BF to take care of them, telling me about their financial problems, asking me to send money for this or that, etc. One guy even had the nerve to ask for help with his car payments, haha. If you can't afford the payments, you probably shouldn't have a car.

Whereas up here, it's just different. Generally, you never discuss money, and they never tell me about any problems they're having. I've learned that here, you never talk to them about money, because that quickly gets you ignored, even if they are looking for money. Instead, you just sniff out who's looking for an actual BF, and who's up for some quick fun in exchange for money, then quickly pass them some money at the end of the night without saying anything. You never actively discuss the financial aspect though, and they never go on about their problems and how they need help.

For example, up here I think the largest complaint I've heard recently is that selling cell phones sucks, because there isn't enough customers to earn a decent commission. That's it though. Talking with the guys in Pattaya though, I was almost instantly inudated with people telling me how hard their life is, and how they need help.

[dab69]

I think you will find that your UA friend is more likely a 60 year old farang getting his kicks from pretending to be a teenager...
We have at least one of them on this board!

I thought Beachie was gone?

[Gaybutton]

Whereas up here, it's just different.
I'm sorry, but where is "up here"? I don't know where you are.

[cdnmatt]

I'm up in Khon Kaen. Little more subtle and conservative here than in Pattaya. :)

I honestly forgot what Pattaya was like until yesterday, when I started chatting with some of the guys from there. Prostitution is rampant up here too and everything, otherwise they wouldn't have those curtain motels every where, but it's just done in a totally different fashion. It's very discreet -- one of those things that everyone does, but nobody talks about.

I've learned now, even if it's obvious they're looking for money, you don't actually mention it, because there's a decent chance they'll get offended, think you're a dirty farang pig, and ignore you. I've accidentally done that quite a few times, before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :)

I'm in my mid-30s now, so when a gorgeous 22 year old starts hitting me up on the internet, and agrees to meet at a hotel, the money part is kind of implied. It's just bad manners to actually mention that aspect. Whereas in Pattaya, it's just far more brazen and in your face.

You have only to remember that two propositions fundamental to justice in your own country do not apply in Thailand
* The presumption of innocence
* The rule of law

Neither apply in Thailand. Arrest means you are already presumed guilty. The law is for those who are advantaged by it; if they are not advantaged they ignore it with impunity

Having said that, the age of consent for prostitution is 18. It will be up to you to convince the police who have come to arrest you that you are not engaging in encouraging an act or acts of prostitution which they will define as widely as possible. What you think is irrelevant. Any arrest will have one of two motives (1) to make them look good in the eyes of the goody-goody NGOs or (2) to shake you down for a very substantial bribe. I've heard 5,000 USD is the going rate

[thaiguest]

You have only to remember that two propositions fundamental to justice in your own country do not apply in Thailand
* The presumption of innocence
* The rule of law

Neither apply in Thailand. Arrest means you are already presumed guilty. The law is for those who are advantaged by it; if they are not advantaged they ignore it with impunity

Having said that, the age of consent for prostitution is 18. It will be up to you to convince the police who have come to arrest you that you are not engaging in encouraging an act or acts of prostitution which they will define as widely as possible. What you think is irrelevant. Any arrest will have one of two motives (1) to make them look good in the eyes of the goody-goody NGOs or (2) to shake you down for a very substantial bribe. I've heard 5,000 USD is the going rate.


I agree with you on most of this.
It's advised never to hand over your passport to the police after a traffic accident for instance as this can be construed as an admission of culpability.
However there's no age of consent with prostitution- it's a crime at any age from what I understand. Sex involving a minor over-leaps a prostitution charge as it's on a higher level of gravity I would imagine.

[dab69]

well. if I really did think there was something up the first thing I
would do is go to aninternet forum and ask people who would really know something

Prostitution is illegal therefore there is no age of consent I suggest you review s.279 of the Thai Criminal Code before you continue to shower us with your ignorance

[BonTong]

Any arrest will have one of two motives (1) to make them look good in the eyes of the goody-goody NGOs or (2) to shake you down for a very substantial bribe.
I agree, but see it slightly differently. In terms of a "police sting operation", there are basically two types:
i)Police acting on information provided by NGOs and foreign police forces and being forced to act
ii)Entrepreneurial BIB looking to extort

As a crime, I get the impression the BIB aren't actively pursuing such issues, unless obviously very young ages are involved or they are forced into it by third parties/external factors. As to arrests, in the case of i) above, the arrest is a certainty, with little chance to buy ones way out initially (later in the process all options are on the table - even faking one's own death :-$ ). In the case of ii) there will be no arrest, unless the Farang has no money, even then it will probably be some trumped up immigration shit, rather than blow the cover on the sting :-o .

The exception is the specialised Police units tackling this area. They may investigate particular cases, but are severely understaffed and already have their hands full with tip off's and intelligence to worry about trawling the streets for Pedos.

[Old git]

Some confused issues here..

From time to time NGOs and/or govt. agencies want a high profile hit to show they are serious about under age prostitution, or, (more likely) make the case that they need extra funding to enrich themselves (sorry, tackle it...)

If you're the unlucky sod who gets caught in their sting you'll be thrown to the hyenas of the press and then to jail. Forget a fair trial, it won't happen, and your embassy will assume your guilt from the outset and abandon you.

The lesson here is don't go by the letter of the law, because it won't be observed with the same rigour as in western nations, so cover your back and don't fly close to the wind; and if you inadvertently find yourself collared by the BIB, don't go all high and mighty about being innocent and knowing your rights, don't shout and protest - just bide your time and then politely tell the officer that you've done nothing, you're tired and want to go home, and without discussion, dump whatever cash you've got on you on the table - chances are you'll be shown the door - sans cash..

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, still not sure what that was about. I doubt it was a NGO or anything, and I'm assuming just an extortion attempt of some kind. No idea if it was police, mafia, or who knows, but it's not like I'm willing to find out, so doesn't really matter.

But yeah, that wasn't normal. There was something fishy going on. Sure, once in a while a teenager will chat me up, but they're never interested in meeting. They're just bored, and killing time on their phone, so figure they'll see what the white guy is up to. Then all of a sudden a slew of them want to meet? I know I'm gorgeous and everything (joking), but I'm pretty sure that many gay teens aren't interested in some guy in his 30s.

Oh well, who knows, who cares. For all I know, it was Kim's shitty attempt at trying to get a pay day out of me.

[latintopxxx]

GEEZ.....whats WRONG with U people....leave children alone!!!! Whats with all the pedo advice....how to get out of a situation!! And I'm supposed to be the sicko?? If it is under 18...or even looks like its under 18...then keep away. theres like so much legal arse out there so why even go there....

[Old git]

Whats with all the pedo advice

Paedophiles are people (both men and women) who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent boys or girls. It's got to be the unluckiest cut when it comes to sexuality and they need to restrain themselves.

There's a big gulf between puberty and the age of 18, and conflicting interpretations of Thai law, but..


If it is under 18...or even looks like its under 18...then keep away.

I would completely agree.

[scottish-guy]

GEEZ.....whats WRONG with U people....leave children alone!!!! Whats with all the pedo advice....how to get out of a situation!! And I'm supposed to be the sicko?? If it is under 18...or even looks like its under 18...then keep away. theres like so much legal arse out there so why even go there....


Setting aside the legal issues - isn't that rather like asking gay people whats the matter with them when there's so much vagina out there?

[BOY69]

I know I'm gorgeous and everything (joking), but I'm pretty sure that many gay teens aren't interested in some guy in his 30s.


I don't agree with that some teens are looking for money /sugar dady and think that falangs have money to spend for sex....

[latintopxxx]

thanks scotty...now gays r lumped in with pedos...great!! Somehow just like scottish independence u cant seem to tell the difference when it comes to consensual acts between adults and those involving children. I will not ask " whats wrong with u" because clearly u cant answer that question.....a huge moral vacuum. If your religious karma crap is real then I guess u will be reincarnated as a child victim.

[scottish-guy]

I fail to see where Scottish Independence comes into it.

My comments are intellectual points and nothing to do with condoning or "lumping" anybody in with anybody else.

If you cannot engage in a debate without having knee-jerk reactions as well as totally misunderstanding what was posted, then I suggest you need to educate yourself AND TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT YOURSELF because, frankly, the predilections you boast about every day of the week are just a different form of abuse.

[latintopxxx]

scottish independance..and the fact u supported it leads to your delusional state of mind and lack of ability to differentiate between reality and jail bait....plse do try to keep up...or do I need to type slower.

[dab69]

sure glad there isn't a rule against posts about **UNDERAGE SEX**
even though we already know how all those topics turn out- stupid slugfests
and small minded propaganda

[Nirish guy]

Latin I'm not sure if you're just trolling SG or not here ( poorly if so I have to say) but to describe a "yes" voter in the Scottish referedum as "delusional" when 44.7% of the rest of the Scotland also voted "yes" for independence is utter nonsense, I believe the word asperational might perhaps be more in order, delusional, absolutely not as everyone concedes it was a pretty damned close run result in the end - and that's coming from me who was hoping for a "no" vote, but to disregard 44.7% of the electorate ( aye and that doesn't even include the spoiled votes or undecided's!) is both disrespectful of those peoples views ( and ignore them at your peril I think is the lesson to be learnt) and also just plain silly on your part trying to use it to score some cheap point here, especially considering the topic at hand.

[loke]

What makes you think they are underage? I am on Hornet and GR all the time and never seen anyone suspicious of being 15-16 y.o. We all know Thais looks younger than they really are.

[latintopxxx]

nirish...u r not keeping up with the news...the woman that runs that damp depressed place has just admitted that she fibbed when it came to oil revenues, and that they still most definitely need English cash ...lots of it...to maintain a western standard of living...it was all lies and yet 46% of that silly lot fell for it. So dumb they cant even count, think 1+1 is 11.
Now if scotty is sooo stooopid to support lies...how can I belueve anything he says/does......isnt it in the good book or something that " by your actoons they will know u"...or something.

[latintopxxx]

...and if I was the English, I would now vote for my independance and cut those loosers off...they can go join the Greek club.

[cdnmatt]

Latin, just a quick hint here. Maybe if you wrote in proper English, people would listen to you more, especially when discussing things like the Scottifsh referundum on independence.

I mean, up to you, but if you want anyone to take you seriously, you may want to brush up on your writing skills.

I mean, up to you, but if you want anyone to take you seriously, you may want to brush up on your writing skills.Pot ... kettle ... black :ymhug:

[scottish-guy]

Latin seems to be getting a little hot under the collar. Ranting much?

[latintopxxx]

no...just a little drunk typing...enjoying the sight of scotland grovelling....and again...as u cant refute the fact that u would be as poor as greece..u decide to nitpick spelling/grammer...yay!!

[arsenal]

A strange thread indeed veering from Pedos to Scottish independence. However. although rather incoherently put by Latin I do agree with his general point. That those who voted to live in Salmanland were taken in by the numbers being bandied about by him.
Throughout the whole debate one thing was crystal clear. That the towering political giant of his generation and as Scottish as you can get. one Mr G. Brown vehemently insisted that Scotland was better off within the UK. Game over.

[bruce_nyc]

By the way, that advice of, "If they look even close to underage then run away." ....doesn't really work .....because half of the boys in boyztown look underage to me. There's no way in hell anyone could distinguish between a 17 year old and an 18 year old much of the time. Even the 22 year olds look closer to 16...

[thaiguest]

Prostitution is illegal therefore there is no age of consentvicarious. I suggest you review s.279 of the Thai Criminal Code before you continue to shower us with your ignorance

I don't need to be directed to items of Thai law by a farang whose experience of Thailand is largely vicarious. By your posts thou art known.
Paying for sex in Thailand by cash or kind is illegal irrespective of age.

Prostitution is illegal therefore there is no age of consent. I suggest you review s.279 of the Thai Criminal Code before you continue to shower us with your ignorance
I don't need to be directed to items of Thai law by a farang whose experience of Thailand is largely vicarious. By your posts thou art known.
Paying for sex in Thailand by cash or kind is illegal irrespective of age.
I suggest you re-read your original post. You claimed that since prostitution is illegal there can be no age of consent.

However there's no age of consent with prostitution- it's a crime at any age from what I understand
There is no dispute that prostitution is illegal. However you are completely ignorant and totally misleading when you state "there's no age of consent". There is. It is 18. That is what s.279 of the Thai Criminal Code states.

Back in your box!

[scottish-guy]

ARSEnal is the ideal name for someone so full of shit.

This thread is not the place to discuss Scottish politics - if you want to take it to "Everything Else" I'll happily wipe the floor with you as usual. Bring your sidekick if you like.

Game on.

[arsenal]

SG: I've made my point and clearly struck a nerve. The vote took place and you lost. So it really is game over isn't it.

SG: I've made my point and clearly struck a nerve. The vote took place and you lost. So it really is game over isn't it.
Look at Scotty avatar - they will keep holding votes until they get the answer they want

[gregvc]

Sorry to return this thread back away from personal insults. My language centre is having all teachers sign documents against child abuse. The administration said something about police investigating child abuse crimes.

[cdnmatt]

Sorry to return this thread back away from personal insults. My language centre is having all teachers sign documents against child abuse. The administration said something about police investigating child abuse crimes.

Ohhh, so there is a chance it was the cops? heh...

If it was them, then it's honestly quite understandable, and is fine. Although entrapment is a shitty thing to do, they're just doing their job, and checking out who I am. I'll admit, I do raise quite a few red flags, and this is Thailand, so everyone talks about everyone. I'm a single white guy living alone up here, no wife, kids, car, never go to work, etc. I would imagine people are wondering WTF I'm doing here, as this isn't exactly a place for tourists. :)

[latintopxxx]

what an insinuation!!! yes u r a single white guy working/living in Thailand....doesnt make u a pedo. Maybe u enjoy the weather, food, culture and fucking the occasional adult Asian. Not exactly a hangable offense.

[cdnmatt]

what an insinuation!!! yes u r a single white guy working/living in Thailand....doesnt make u a pedo. Maybe u enjoy the weather, food, culture and fucking the occasional adult Asian. Not exactly a hangable offense.

Yeah, but if it was a police probe, again, it's understandable. If I was a police chief in charge of a probe to find pedos, I'd probably target myself too. Unfortunate, but true, as I can easily see how I would be viewed as suspicious.

And it's fine. As long as they do their job with some integrity, and don't fabricate anything, then I'm fine with it. Hopefully they'll manage to catch some of the scum out there who are actually targeting kids.

Maybe that's a sign I should get a BF again, lol. There's actually one contender. My hair dresser of all people. Cute 31 year old guy. He's not gorgeous or anything, but neither am I, so what the hell. Seems like he has a good heart in him though, and we flirt with each other quite a bit during my haircuts. For short-time giks, I'll take the gorgeous 22 year olds, but for an actual BF, someone like him.

Ohhh, so there is a chance it was the cops? heh...Today's winning non sequitur

[latintopxxx]

if it is a police fishing exercise then it appears to be very much above board. If the guy onnthe other side identifies himself as being underage and u still carry on communicating on what is largely a hook up app then you are asking for trouble. Big trouble. Its not like they are testing you to check whether you are asking fir ID, they are volunteering the info. If one still proceeds then one cant expect any " benefit of the doubt".

[francois]

In the past while, I've had lots of 15 - 17 year olds contact me out of the blue on Grindr / Hornet / PlanetRomeo. Obviously, I've turned them all down, because I don't particularly feel like spending the next 10 years of my life in a Thai jail cell.


So, maybe it is something in your profile that makes them want to contact you? Simply change your posting name on these sites.

[Old git]

The OP reports that he has been contacted by 15 to 17 year olds. These are post pubescent young adults, and it is perfectly normal for both gay and straight people to find them sexually attractive. However most cultures expect restraint with that age range, especially where commercial sex is concerned.

If the BIB were targeting genuine paedophiles they would be posing as much younger people.

Would they attempt a sting operation with 15 to 17 year olds? From their point of view it would be much harder to build a case against the person they were trying to catch, especially on a dating site which is not overtly commercial - but it might happen..

Why not reply to one or two of these contacts, but in a strictly non-sexual context (and with no exchange of unclothed photos) and see where it leads. If they press for a meet, suggest waiting until their 18th birthday..

[latintopxxx]

dating site...is that what its called now?!

Why not reply to one or two of these contacts, but in a strictly non-sexual context (and with no exchange of unclothed photos) and see where it leads. If they press for a meet, suggest waiting until their 18th birthday..Surely you could take on that research exercise yourself and report your findings back to this Forum?

[Old git]

Surely you could take on that research exercise yourself and report your findings back to this Forum?

Afraid I'm still in the steam age and don't use the web for meeting people - I put one foot in front of t'other, find bar, get drink and look for talent..

[cdnmatt]

Why not reply to one or two of these contacts

I do reply to them. Before I used to be scared of that, and would tell them I can't chat with them because they're underage. After all, it is Grindr / Hornet, so naturally I'm assuming they want to hook up. Then I realized I was being a rude cunt, because they kept getting offended / confused, and probably thought "another farang asshole in my country".

So I did start chatting with them, and quickly realized they have zero desire or intention to meet up. They're just saying hi, wondering what I'm doing in this part of the world, what I do for work, etc. They have absolutely no desire to meet though. Same as when I'm chatting with guys in their 50s -- I don't plan on sleeping with them either.

Those are the actual legit teenagers, whereas whoever / whatever was contacting me a little while back wasn't legit at all.'

Now once they're in their 20s, moved out of their parents house, and entered university and/or the work force, that's when they become money hungry. :)

[latintopxxx]

hmmmm......dunno....something about those that play with fire get burnt?! Even if u r all nice and clean and moral ....it will draw attention to yourself. Now do u really want that?? Im not that fond of prison food.

hmmmm......dunno....something about those that play with fire get burnt?! Even if u r all nice and clean and moral ....it will draw attention to yourself. Now do u really want that?? Im not that fond of prison food.
What a fascinating life you lead, Latin. Do tell us more about how you gained this intimate knowledge of prison food

[Old git]

moved out of their parents house, and entered university.. that's when they become money hungry

I discovered a while back that many Thai parents make their Uni student kids keep very detailed accounts of what they spend their allowance on, in the hope that by providing little or nothing for partying, their little darlings will not stray from their studies.

Not surprisingly, the students have other ideas, and not only do they view the occasional bar fine as an easy way to get funds, but the girls at least are often quite open about it when talking to their friends..

[latintopxxx]

geez...now I'm confused. The whole mantra i get off most of u guys is that we gotta treat people with dignity ...and now u tell me that uni students who free lance as part time whores openly discuss their part time jobs with their friends.....?! Really?! No loss of face?!
I know that there are lotsa uni students free lancing ...after all I've availed myself of their services...but bragging to their friends about it ?!

[Old git]

Really?! No loss of face?!

No - the opposite almost - cool girls fuck their boyfriends, and really cool girls fuck for cash..

The notion of shame and loss of face associated with commercial sex seems to be a largely Issan thing - where families constantly fight poverty, and those who throw in the towel send their daughters to the bars.

I've always been an avid people watcher, and notice that whilst in the west, 'good' girls want nothing to do with 'bad' girls, in Thailand they take each other pretty much on the level, as though it's just another job; and a past history of prostitution doesn't taint women in the eyes of other women in the same way that it does in the west..

[latintopxxx]

nah...doesnt wash with me...the "decent", " normal" Thais don't appreciate prostitution or gay life style. Maybe u should leave the gay ghetto occasionally.

[cdnmatt]

Most Thais from my experience are totally fine with gay people. Even if some aren't, too bad for them, because Buddhism supersedes their personal view points, hence they're not allowed to be judgemental against their fellow human. So even for the few who don't like gay people, they still have to accept them.

As for hookers bragging, no idea. I've never experienced it, at least not up here. Again, here at least it's one of those things that everyone does, buy nobody talks about. There's quite a few curtain motels around for a reason, but nobody is ever going to admit to it, lol.

The "normal" reason for all the curtain motels is because generally Thai families all live together, so there can be quite a few in one household, and sometimes a couple needs some private time together. But it's a CURTAIN motel, so that puts that reasoning to shit. If you're just getting away from your parents / kids for a quickie, no need for the curtain to hide your vehicle.

[latintopxxx]

Thais r Ok with gays..,yeah...right!! U do live in lala land.There r OK with cash...now that I believe.

Really?! No loss of face?!

No - the opposite almost - cool girls fuck their boyfriends, and really cool girls fuck for cash..

The notion of shame and loss of face associated with commercial sex seems to be a largely Issan thing - where families constantly fight poverty, and those who throw in the towel send their daughters to the bars.

I've always been an avid people watcher, and notice that whilst in the west, 'good' girls want nothing to do with 'bad' girls, in Thailand they take each other pretty much on the level, as though it's just another job; and a past history of prostitution doesn't taint women in the eyes of other women in the same way that it does in the west..
I wonder what your explanation is, then, for the number of boys on Grindr in Bangkok who go out of their way to emphasise in their profile that they disdain money boys - they are not a money boy and they want nothing to do with money boys? Oh, but I forgot, you're too old to go in for these new-fangled ways so you won't see that sort of thing

[cdnmatt]

Thais r Ok with gays..,yeah...right!! U do live in lala land.There r OK with cash...now that I believe.

So it's true, you don't talk to Thai people -- only fuck them instead. :)

Due to this beng a Buddhist society, being judgemental towards your fellow human is viewed very negatively here. For the most part, it's live and let live here, so even for the people who don't like da gays, they keep their opinions to themselves. There's exceptions to every rule of course, but in general, that's how it works here.

How you act is far more important than what your sexual orientation is. As long as you're a good guy, and show common decency and respect, nobody is going to give a shit that you're gay.

Due to this beng a Buddhist society, being judgemental towards your fellow human is viewed very negatively here. For the most part, it's live and let live here, so even for the people who don't like da gays, they keep their opinions to themselves. There's exceptions to every rule of course, but in general, that's how it works here.
You will never know what "the Thais" think because, unlike Westerners, they will never tell you. Just because they're not being confrontationist does not mean they're being accepting. I have had a number of Thai undergraduates over the years (some in every sense of the word, some heterosexual so (mostly) in the most obvious sense) and without exception they have talked extensively of the undercurrent of homophobia in Thai society. As for "Buddhist values" and not being judgmental - stop playing with yourself

[cdnmatt]

Isn't that exactly what I just said? Even for those who are homophobic, they'll generally keep it to themselves. They're not actually going to express that view point.

Same as there's loads of Thais who hate farangs, but they'll never actually say it. Again, being judgemental is viewed very negatively here, and yes, that is due to the Buddhist aspect.

For the most part though, from my experience, most people really don't give a shit if you're gay. They're busy -- going to work, looking after their kids and spouse, making sure there's food on the table and a roof over their heads, etc. They really don't give a shit if you're gay.

[latintopxxx]

...so what r we arguing about?? Guess old git has some explaining to do?!

[Old git]

I wonder what your explanation is, then, for the number of boys on Grindr in Bangkok who go out of their way to emphasise in their profile that they disdain money boys - they are not a money boy and they want nothing to do with money boys?

Could it be that they're angling for more money than the money boys make?

Money boy goes to bar or club, picks up farang, goes to room, has sex, gets 1000bt and farang never seen again.

Non-money boy tries to play the old bar girl tricks of sick mother, dead buffalo, and can you pay for room, bike, help sister go university etc. etc.. etc...

[bruce_nyc]

Money boys and money girls..... are in that business. Obviously. They're not all that secretive about the business they're in..... with friends in the same business.

On the other hand, they often keep their occupation a secret from friends who are not also in that same business. That's why many prefer to live in Bangkok rather than Pattaya. It's pretty much assumed that if you're young and you live in Pattaya, you're a sex worker.

I know a few very straight, very wealthy, "high society" Thai people.... both men and women. I know them very well. They don't have any problems with people who are gay. They don't have any problems with people who are sex workers either. They only care about whether the person is a decent person or not. ( i.e. Is he/she a clean, polite, dressed decently, behaved decently, kind, respectful, courteous, responsible, not abusing alcohol or other drugs, not annoying others, not over the top public displays of affection, gracious, considerate, person? Someone they'd be fine being seen at a restaurant in public with? ) They care about *that* 1000 times more than if he/she is a sex worker, or gay, or both.

I love Thai people! .....of all class levels. I wish everyone in the world was more like them.

[cdnmatt]

I can echo what Bruce says for the most part.

This is a Buddhist society, so in most people's eyes, this is just one of our many lives. The most important aspect is to simply be a good person, so you can get reincarnated as something better, and eventually reach nirvana.

As long as you're a decent individual, you'll be totally fine here. Don't be an asshole though, because you'll quickly get shunned.

[Old git]

I know a few very straight, very wealthy, "high society" Thai people.... both men and women. I know them very well. They don't have any problems with people who are gay. They don't have any problems with people who are sex workers either.

+1

They don't judge sex workers in the same way that westerners do, and regard it as just another job.

[Old git]

In an idle moment I tried Googling to see if any recent prosecutions tallied with the OPs observation.

- But I couldn't find any..

Various keywords on Google pulled up historical bits and pieces, but other than a couple of deportations for offences committed in their country of origin, and a few raids on bars and brothels (including Thai ones - and with no evident arrests of customers) I didn't come across a single court case for under-age sex this year.

Also noticeable is that when bar raids have been carried out, the target of both NGOs and BIB seems to be under sixteens rather than under eighteens.

I'd be amazed if not a single farang has been taken to court this year for under-age activity, but I'm surmising that Thailand's taste for paedo show trials has come to an end. Their use of the media also suggests that they want to be seen to be tackling the supply side, rather than the demand.

- Or have I missed something..?

[cdnmatt]

Or have I missed something..?

It's just Kim, whitemouse, mafia, or who the hell knows. It could be the junta I guess, but I doubt it. There's been a couple people now though. One who setup multiple profiles as teens, and contacted. That ended, then another who setup multiple profiles of cute Thai guys in their 20s, but unfortunately they couldn't speak Thai.

Then other little things. For example, my profile on hornet is "JohnQ", and some random guy hit me up just tonight and asked if I'm Matt. How the hell does he know my name? If it's Kim, I would love to see him again -- no need for games.

Then again, there's only about 120,000 people here, not very many white people, and I think I'm the only gay white male in his 30s living here, so I'm sure word gets around.

[bruce_nyc]

If you'd love to see him again.... why don't you just call him.... or go see him. You must know his family, friends, workplace, or something.... No?

[cdnmatt]

You must know his family, friends, workplace, or something.... No?

Nope, no idea. I cut off all contact with him. Our one point of contact was our next door neighbor -- I've asked her, but the phone # she has for him no longer works. It's been two years, so understandable.

All his friends lived at our place, so no idea where they went. Most stable work he had was as a morlam dancer / singer, so they move to a different location nearly every day.

I have a half assed idea of where his dad's village is, but not sure if I could find it on my own. I always just sat on the back of the motorbike, and didn't really pay attention as to where we're going. I can't remember at all where his mom's village is.

Oh well. Shit happens, life goes on.

[francois]

In the past while, I've had lots of 15 - 17 year olds contact me out of the blue on Grindr / Hornet / PlanetRomeo. Obviously, I've turned them all down, because I don't particularly feel like spending the next 10 years of my life in a Thai jail cell.

But I'm at a bit of a loss. what's this about? Are they just legit horny teenagers looking someone to take care of them, or are they police masquerading as teenagers, or? Either way, I refuse them, but still leaves me scratching my head a little, because the number of them has increased greatly in the past little while.

Just heard from another Romeo devotee who has recently noticed an upsurge of questionable "ads" on Planet Romeo. He feels it may be because of economic conditions which are leading younger people to peddle their wares or perhaps some type of black mail scam or police entrapment.

[fountainhall]

He feels it may be because of economic conditions which are leading younger people to peddle their wares or perhaps some type of black mail scam or police entrapment.
Surely one reason is that it is the school holidays.

[scottish-guy]

I gave up on all those Websites (Planet Romeo, Grindr, etc) almost as soon as I tried them - as in the UK there seems to be a significant shortage of young men dying to roll around the bed with guys (like me) who are old enough to be their father (or even grandfather!)

Further, I don't use "dating" websites on holiday because I will only holiday in places which still have a "traditional" bar-based commercial sex scene as I enjoy the social interection and the opportunity to see and handle the goods prior to purchase.

My issue with "home-delivery" is that (as with Tesco) an inferior substitution can be made and you end up with something you didn't actually order, which is getting close to its sell-by date, and which you end up reluctantly devouring simply because it is there - rather than having any real appetite for it.

Having said all that, life-experience and common sense leads me to conclude that the reality of the situation described in this thread is likely to be as follows (in order of likelihood, not of seriousness):

1. Real advertisements placed by boys of dubious age.
2. Fake advertisements placed by paedos who get a kick out of pretending to be teenage boys.
3. Fake advertisements placed by organised crime (ie blackmail scams).
4. Police or vigilante sting operations.

It is up to the individual to decide which of those scenarios presents the most danger - personally my advice would be Leave the laptop - get out - and get yourself fucked!

[cdnmatt]

Ohhh, forgot all about this. Thankfully, it stopped quite a while ago. Someone was definitely targetting me for some reason though, because all of a sudden, cute 16 year olds don't find me attractive anymore, lol. Now it's just normal people my own age.


It is up to the individual to decide which of those scenarios presents the most danger - personally my advice would be Leave the laptop - get out - and get yourself fucked!

I don't know, depends what you're looking for (and where you're located). If you're just looking for a one night stand, then sure, agree with you -- get outside and let the winds take you where they will. If you're looking for something else though, then I think the apps are great. Takes some time to sift through people, but for example, there's one guy I regularly chat with who I very much look forward to meeting, and no chance I would ever meet him on the streets. Don't think he's the type you'd find hanging out in a bar.