Age checks

My mate is going to be a first time visitor to LOS in August. He has a preference for young looking slim boys but I stress he is not a pedo and only wants boys of legal age and upwards. I have warned him of the pitfalls of offing this type of guy. However, I was always led to believe that if a boy was offed from a (reputable) bar it was the bars responsibility to ensure that the boy was of legal age and had a legal ID.
I have given my mate all the info on converting Thai to English dates but having seen the standard of photo ID carried by bar boys this is no guarantee that the boy is who he says he is particularly with regards to the photo on the ID.
Can anyone with legal expertise explain the legal position of both parties i.e. the bar and the client?
I assume that in the end it is the client's responsibility to make sure of ID but what defence if any has one got if the bar is employing underage guys. I am referring to boys of say 17 or maybe 16 who pass for someone of legal age.
Replies please ONLY from those with specific knowledge of the legal position.

You have no defense. That's it, clear and simple. You play around with "young-looking, slim boys", there's always a risk.

You play around with "young-looking, slim boys", there's always a risk.

Thanks but given your replies and rantings to other threads in this forum I am assuming that you have no legal expertise.
BTW why the quotation marks??...are you implying that this is a euphemism for jail bait?? If so you want to hope that my mate and you never cross paths as he would be would be liable to re-arrange your face for assuming he is a pedo just because he likes boys of that type.

[dab69]

You play around with "young-looking, slim boys", there's always a risk.

you want to hope that my mate and you never cross paths as he would be would be liable to re-arrange your face for assuming he is a pedo just because he likes boys of that type.


what type of legal advise would he need after doing that?
(assuming he wasn't also hospitalized trying)

check the dosage instructions on your meds, midget

Wrote from " Madam Davina " :


Replies please ONLY from those with specific knowledge of the legal position.

Go fuck yourself white your specific knowledge " Madam Davina", Way you not ask for a warranty award for the ONLY specific knowledge information replies ? :violent2:

No legal expertise here, sorry, but some pointers:

Do not believe the mamasans or that the bar does not let underage slip in, except for maybe a few "elite" bars like Boyz boyz boyz

Do not believe the the boys themselves, they have very little or nothing to lose by lying

It is very naive to believe taking from a bar protects you

Consider that many IDs are fake

Consider that many workers aren't even Thai

One question, doesn't Thailand have Napoleonic law, meaning if arrested, you are presumed guilty?

Go fuck yourself white your specific knowledge " Madam Davina", Way you not ask for a warranty award for the ONLY specific knowledge information replies ? :violent2:


Those who resort to pornographic insults only illustrate their total lack of intelligence and the inability to hold a worthwhile conversation through their lack of linguistic dexterity. Besides I was asking for advise from people with some knowledge of the subject and not from a moron like you. :bootyshake:

Go fuck yourself white your specific knowledge " Madam Davina", Way you not ask for a warranty award for the ONLY specific knowledge information replies ? :violent2:


Those who resort to pornographic insults only illustrate their total lack of intelligence and the inability to hold a worthwhile conversation through their lack of linguistic dexterity. Besides I was asking for advise from people with some knowledge of the subject and not from a moron like you. :bootyshake:
You might be on the wrong board. I am serioius. Try thaivisa.com in the gay section. That board is moderated by some people with real legal knowledge. It is an interesting question, but I think you will find if arrested, ignorance, lying by others, trusting businesses, is no protection or defense at all.

Go fuck yourself white your specific knowledge " Madam Davina", Way you not ask for a warranty award for the ONLY specific knowledge information replies ? :violent2:


Those who resort to pornographic insults only illustrate their total lack of intelligence and the inability to hold a worthwhile conversation through their lack of linguistic dexterity. Besides I was asking for advise from people with some knowledge of the subject and not from a moron like you. :bootyshake:

Your lucky, i only piss on your intelligence, wait and meet Boygeorge, after his bear fucking ( whiteout silly on the willy ) ,you not even breathe any intelligence ! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Can anyone with legal expertise explain the legal position of both parties i.e. the bar and the client?
I assume that in the end it is the client's responsibility to make sure of ID but what defence if any has one got if the bar is employing underage guys. I am referring to boys of say 17 or maybe 16 who pass for someone of legal age.
Replies please ONLY from those with specific knowledge of the legal position.

The bar has no legal responsibilty to the 'client' in assuring the boy is of legal age.

The bar is only answerable to the authorities if they are found to be employing under age workers and then only for employing them not for giving false information to the 'client.

The 'client' assuming or having been assured by the bar/club or boy/girl that they are of legal age is no defence.

Even if after having for instance the hotel desk check the ID and declaring it genuine that is not a defence it it is subsequently found not to be so.

Recent and ongoing events in both Pattaya and Bangkok should be a warning to 'your friend' of the risk of coming to the attention of the authorities should he decide to take a chance with any ID.

And also don't forget prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Legally, all the bars are doing, is taking your money to take away their staff. They don't want to know what you do with the staff. You could be taking them out for ice cream, in which case, you won't be at risk for getting arrested. All very Up 2 U.

[bing]

Perhaps it is time again to have someone post the Thai Dates of birth, and subtract the number from 2006. It is not confusing but first timers need to be pretty sure about the dates. I don't have the scale, but I have seen it here before, so I do hope one of the more sagacious will post it for us.

Perhaps it is time again to have someone post the Thai Dates of birth, and subtract the number from 2006. It is not confusing but first timers need to be pretty sure about the dates. I don't have the scale, but I have seen it here before, so I do hope one of the more sagacious will post it for us.

Bing... see this entry in the resource forum...
http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... php?t=8367 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8367)

[bing]

Yes, you are the man today. Good job in finding the scale... It will be a good help for many.

Yes, you are the man today. Good job in finding the scale... It will be a good help for many.You can't subtract 543 from his year of birth as shown on the ID card, add 18 and determine whether the result is more or less than this year? If it's the same as this year then he's borderline, depending on the month of his birth vs the current month. More and he's illegal, less and you're okay (assuming it's a genuine ID card and it's his). 543 isn't that hard to remember, surely?

Example:
Year of birth on ID card 2530
Minus 543 = 1987
Plus 18 (legal age of consent for prostitutes) = 2005
2005 is less than 2006 - he's legal

It would be simpler to just know the Thai year in the current year that someone must be born to be over 18.

Speaking of which, I have a dumb basic question.

When exactly does that Thai calender year officially turn over, 1 January or during Songkran in April?

Thais have told me different things and I am confused.

1 January

Thanks to Thaiqila for your helpful comments.
And to King Kong likewise and please note "my friend" is real and is not a figment of my imagination or euphemism for yours truly.

For Bing, I already have the date conversion table which I have passed on to my mate (see original post) - it has been published on recent threads either on this board or in the Resource Forum - thanks for the effort anyway.

As for Baziel, if you cannot make constructive comments and can only resort to verbal abuse I suggest you keep your comments to yourself - they are not wanted by me nor I suspect the other viewers on this board. You only show yourself to be a foul-mouthed, pea-brained idiot...but what else should we expect from the paedophile heaven that is Belgium ... see yesterdays news re another serial pedo killer on the loose in that country.

... and already a charmer

, pea-brained idiot...but what else should we expect from the paedophile heaven that is Belgium ... see yesterdays news re another serial pedo killer on the loose in that country.

]Madam Davina only a pea-brained idiot thinks that this only happens in Belgium. I hope your semi pedo friend " isen't it what this treat is about " is not turning into a monster like this !

Anyone incapable of checking if the fruit is ripe is perhaps best advised to leave it on the shelf until he is sure.

More specifically, if one knew of venues in Pattaya that are notorious for underage boys, would it be inappropriate to mention those clubs?

More specifically, if one knew of venues in Pattaya that are notorious for underage boys, would it be inappropriate to mention those clubs?

In case you are wondering where they have got to you will find your brains up your arse!

Or are you acting as an agent for the Pedo's that view these boards?

[jimnbkk]

I hate to get back on subject, but......

I think that IDs are not issued until someone turns 18. So, if that's true, then if a boy has an ID, it will say he's 18 and all you have to do is decide if it's (1) his ID, and (2) if it's genuine.

comments?

You're wrong.

Everyone will get an ID card, free of charge, at the age of 15. The card will last for about 6 years, then a new one with new photo must be obtained, again free of charge. If lost, a new card can be obtained by paying a small fee ( 20 baht a while back, don't know how much now).

[Smiles]

" ... More specifically, if one knew of venues in Pattaya that are notorious for underage boys, would it be inappropriate to mention those clubs? ... "
Read the Guidelines: http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... php?t=6259 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6259)

Naming such venues would be a violation of them, and I assume (and hope) the Moderators would deep-six such a message without a second thought.

Cheers ...

[Dodger]

Lady Vagina...

I don't think that you posted this thread to ask a question which related to your so-called friend - I think you were asking for yourself. Secondly, it's obvious that you have a serious problem with your temper. Maybe a little anger management class would serve you well before coming to Thailand.

Furthermore, If you wanted to understand the legal implications of offing an under aged boy, why didn't you just come out and say it. Anyone with half a brain knows that many bars in Thailand employee under aged workers, and the penalty for offing one of these kids falls on the farang. Do you need someone to draw a picture for you.

I'm with Baziel on this one...you sound like a real wacko.

1 Can Lady Davina use a credit card to off a boy?
2 Will the bar attempt to impose a 3.5% surcharge?
3 Will the sight of Lady Davina flouncing out of the bar form part of the show?

Lady Vagina...

I don't think that you posted this thread to ask a question which related to your so-called friend - I think you were asking for yourself. Secondly, it's obvious that you have a serious problem with your temper. Maybe a little anger management class would serve you well before coming to Thailand.

I'm with Baziel on this one...you sound like a real wacko.

I can assure you that the original thread was on behalf of a friend and prospective first time visitor. I visit Thailand regularly (every 6 months or so) and have had a long time Thai boyfriend - now aged 26 - for the last five years.

Secondly anger management ... the quality of some of the posts and the bile and invective and obscene insults of the likes of Baziel and the know-all attitude and desire for the last word of the likes of Homintern would make even the most sane and docile person angry.

http://www.thai-experience.org/festival-calendar.html

And to make for even more fun, the 1st month of the Prokatimas year is November.

The bars when having a boy offed may not care too much if the guy you take with you is underage, but I am in Bangkok right now and all the bars me and my num friend enter are all checking his id. I never thought he looked that young, he is afterall twenty-one (ok that's young but legal to enter a bar). It also seemed one of those pecularities that they would check my guys age for fear of a Police raid and being caught with an underage guy in the bar, when they have fucking shows going on all over the place!

Madam Davina wrote :


I am referring to boys of say 17 or maybe 16 who pass for someone of legal age.
Replies please ONLY from those with specific knowledge of the legal position.



. I visit Thailand regularly (every 6 months or so)

Every 6 month ? you are a real expert madam Davina, but to help your other half brain, some advice.

Take a good hotel like Flamingo in Pattaya, this hotel sure not let you bring in under age boys.

Hope this information gives you some specific knowledge of the legal position ! :bigsmurf:

the know-all attitude and desire for the last word of the likes of Homintern would make even the most sane and docile person angry.And you are ... ?

I read this Forum a lot but I don't write very often. Some contributors offer pearls of wisdom, others mere dross. For the latter there's the Ignore button. For me homintern a.k.a The Colonel offers many, many pearls of wisdom - go and look at his recent posts on the Thai Royal Family for example. But he also enjoys "taking the piss" and I'd have to say watching him do it is also enjoyable at times. Isn't he the one who describes himself as a bald, fat, old cunt? After all, it's a bit cheeky to come here seeking information and then complain about someone being a know-all.

[TrongpaiExpat]

It also seemed one of those pecularities that they would check my guys age for fear of a Police raid and being caught with an underage guy in the bar, when they have fucking shows going on all over the place!


Anyone notice that since the PM and TRT has been under political pressure by the Bangkok crowd, those annoying pee raids and other high profile social order events seem to have abated?

[Brad the Impala]

Caught in a pee raid only last week at the Boat Bar in Phuket. They went on to conduct a similar raid in My Way.

[TrongpaiExpat]

Caught in a pee raid only last week at the Boat Bar in Phuket. They went on to conduct a similar raid in My Way.

Yes, Phuket and even Pattaya but not in Bangkok, or maybe it's not been covered by the Press.

the know-all attitude and desire for the last word of the likes of Homintern would make even the most sane and docile person angry.And you are ... ?

Q.E.D

[Smiles]

" ... For me homintern a.k.a The Colonel offers many, many pearls of wisdom - Isn't he the one who describes himself as a bald, fat, old cunt? ... "
Yes, The Colonel/Homintern is highly beloved on this Board. His pal Boygeenyus is also very knowledgeable, but decidedly NOT highly beloved in any way.

Isn't that such a strange-yet-common human/psychic phenom . . . such as in ~ I don't mind "Rob" ~ i.e. M. Homintern ~ (at work) goosing me at all: He has The Manner down pat and can get away with quite outrageous behaviour because of his quite distinct personality (which eeks out every pore, and causes him to be loved, quietly disdained in some over-the-top cases, yet listened-to).

On the other hand: we have "Marcel" ~ i.e. M. Boygeenyus ~ who is of the same ilk ... ready to perform anti-social behaviors at the drop of a hat, yet not having the unspoken social skills to turn his often deplorable actions into something strangely acceptable. He touches my ass (should he dare) and gets a withering (close to threatening) stare which says all. (And let me tell you, my ass is hardly the most sacrosanct object of desire in this red-neck joint!) :blackeye:

Ya gotta luv it . . . :cheers:

Cheers ...

[Dodger]

Smiles...

You forgot to mention Mighty Mouse (BBB)

Uh oh - Hedda's decided to have her say - http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... .php?e=245 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=245)

Uh oh - Hedda's decided to have her say - http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... .php?e=245 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=245)

As this log entry seems to be directed at me, let me reply. It is a mildly amusing work of fiction and flight of fantasy but then Homintern (aka Hedda/the Colonel) has had plenty of practise given that most of her utterances on all subjects in this forum emanate from her anal orifice. Her conviction that she is right in all things is far outweighed by her lack of knowledge on most things and inability to differentiate fact from fiction.

That is my 3.5 per cent Dear. :geek: :geek:

Handbags at dawn anyone ???!!!

Handbags at dawn anyone ???!!!

Who is this dawn you speak of? Ediths twin sister?

That is my 3.5 per cent DearI'd be careful throwing that word around - http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... .php?e=205 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=205)

This is the second entry where Lady Davina's poor grasp of English idiom has shown up. First of there was "your want" when any educated person knows this is "your wont". Now there's "flight of fantasy" rather than the correct "flight of fancy" - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... of%20fancy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flight%20of%20fancy)

Is Davina perhaps an American? (And I know that's a pretty low accusation to make)

[elephantspike]

Topic split. The last several posts went way off topic. That new topic is now in the Global Forum, here:

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 77aca1012c (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8412&sid=dfbcb436818f391fcd3e1777aca1012c)