Tip request in Bangkok

[bucknaway]

I'm in Pattaya now but when I was in Bangkok, I made my way to the soi twilight bars. I sat through the shows at Dreamboys and the 2nd show at boys bangkok. It was ok but I won't be going back for another few years. The show was boring and I have seen it all before in previous visits over the years at the bar but this time it all seemed so low budget and routine.

Dreamboys host told me the off fee was 500 baht and the tip should be 2000 baht.

The next day I went back to Soi Twilight and stuck my head in every bar and found no reason to enter any of them so I went to Golden Cock and the bar hidden in an alley along the same street. At Golden cock there were a few good looking guys. 3 guys sat with me and one was a fat guy. I picked a handsome well hung guy to drink with me and the others left. We cuddled and groped for a while and after some time he whispered that he wanted me to off him for 400 baht and told me 1000 was a good tip for him. He asked me if 1000 was too much then tip was up to me. I didn't off him but I did tip him very well.

That is one of the reasons why I reject everything everyone tells me how much I "Must Tip" guys. I think that is how much THEY (the demanding poster) must tip the guys. We are all different and so are the guys we meet in the bars. But for some reason, must of the advice on the boards of what I must do and other rules they want to put on us readers and posters is nothing more than an opinion that does not translate well into the real world.

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About the bar on the side street or alley... There were many good looking guys there and I was surprised by that, but because of the rain they had no customers. When I was there I was the only customer and I sat with the guy. One hand on my beer and one hand in his underwear haha
I didn't off him but I tipped him the off amount. I don't remember how much it was due to the fog of beer by that time. It was the last bar I visited before going back to my room.

[cdnmatt]

You could always offer free English lessons in lieu of a tip, which apparently some farangs do. :-)

[bucknaway]

You could always offer free English lessons in lieu of a tip, which apparently some farangs do. :-)

I don't undertip. I prefer to pay cash and be done with it. I just don't think it is helpful for other tippers to make tip demands on others. It's a waste. They can say what they tip but to say less or more is wrong is simply..... wrong.

If a guy in a bar is willing to take english lessons in exchange for sex... Who am I to say that is a bad deal and should never happen?

[Forky123]

They can say what they like, it's free speech. You can ignore them, that's your right. Paying a little more being a waste? I really don't agree. I enjoy paying something more than the going rate if what I am getting is somewhat better than the basics. To me it encourages good service. If someone is beaten down to the same low figure whether the service is great or crap where's any incentive to provide good service?

[dinagam]

What is the "going rate" & who determines it. Has any scientific survey been carried out?
If bucknaway was happy with the company he had at the bar who was a good company for the evening, then the tip he paid the man was the going rate. It's quite useless really to stick to the 2000 baht going rate of boys from Dreamboys if the customer was totally disappointed in the end.
Once again, who actually determines the going rate?

[BOY69]

The going rate in Bangkok is higher than other places in Thailand less
Than 1500 BHT will not be appriciate by money boys there, it is very rare that I take boys in BKK .

[thaiguest]

The Dreamboy host and all the rest of the bar management in Soi Twilight should stay out of the 'tip' aspect of the hook-up cos they don't have a clue about business.

One of them told me in 2014 that drink prices had gone up to 350 baht because 'now we no have cutamer'. I was tempted to say the obvious but I buttoned my lips and setltled in as the only cutamer in the bar.

I don't approve of cheap-charlie customers and I'm not one myself but the tip should vary depending on long-time or short, the boys expectations, service and so on.

The problem with a blanket policy of 2000 baht is that many boys who would welcome 1000 baht or 1500 baht will never meet the customers who are willing to pay these amounts.

One can argue that Thailand is much cheaper for this sort of gay R&R than Australia, Europe and America but these foreign customers must pay to get here and stay here and they come here partly because there is (or was) percieved value for money.

[latintopxxx]

OH....here we go again...the price nazis will soon jump on the band wagon. Yeah right...the going rate in BKK is 2000 ...yet I score sooo much prime arse under 1000....now where is that amphora of water...need to turn it into wine....fuck I'm good!!

[discord87]

There was a guy frm Tawan who once asked for 5,000 for a long time session. Not sure if he was serious or that was another way of saying "No". :-)

[a447]

At the end of the day the customer decides the tip.

As for the 2000 baht "recommendations" from the mama-sans in Soi Twilight, they can go fuck themselves. Probably most, if not all, of the guys would be happy with a little less as opposed to nothing at all.

1500 for short time sounds like a reasonable starting point in Bangkok. The cost of living is higher there than in Pattaya.

The guy I offed every day from Golden Cock told me that hardly any guys ever get offed from his bar. Customers come in for a drink, maybe leave a tip and then leave. That may be why the guy said he'd be happy with 1000 or less.

[egel]

Christ, not another topic on how much a fuck costs....please!

[bucknaway]

I forgot who it was that was wondering about #25 from Boyz Boyz Boyz. His name is Pin or is that Pen? Anyway he is Straight but gay for pay. He said he is top only but is willing to smoke. For those of you who wonder who I am talking about. It is the guy that uses his cock to beat the 2 bongo's at the bar after the big banana show.

Well, he just left my condo after some fun. He is a true performer and fucks at various speeds. He can go from gentle and smooth to hard rabbit thrusts as he builds momentum. He had no problem raising to the event and not soon after dressing in latex and lube, he was... Well.... Lets say he was knocking at the back door ready to gain entry. After gaining ground an inch at a time he asked where should he cum.

I won't go into details about the event but I will say that it was an enjoyable time. He didn't go through a lot of positions but I was not complaining. Would I off him again? Yes and I have never offed the same guy twice but i would with him.

He is not a hug and kiss type of guy. He is more of a "Suck my dick and I'll fuck you silly" type of guy.

[bucknaway]

Oh, before I forget... My first visit to Sunee Plaza I headed to Power Boys to see if they would let me in or if they would again block my entry. The Mamasan was not at the door and I felt kind a sad that I would get welcomed in which would break the 2 year running streak of being refused entry to the bar. I was reaching for the door when a guy sitting near the door jumped up and demanding 200 baht entry fee. Yes! I was being flagged again! My streak continues! I turned to go to the bar next door and told him that for 2 years they always want me to buy ticket.... No thank you..... As I was headed next door to Good Boys the door guy at Power Boys told me "Ok" come in but I was alrady at the door to Good Boys. The guy at the door to good boys had a look of concern on his face and looked across the street to what turned out to be the manager. He waved his hand and the guy pushed open the door. UGH.... What a group of guys.... They seem to be straight out of a Thai version of Oliver Twist.

The manager came in and sat next to me and asked me about my visits and was surprised to know that I had been in his bar many times. He could not remember me. A white guy at the DJ stand came over and seem to remember my state and gave me the thumbs up. The manager told me that the door guys think I am Indian and I only need to let them know I am American. I told him that does not work because I did that last time and still they wanted me to pay a cover charge.

I guess I will have to go while reciting singing the star spangled banner, twirling an American flag with my pass port on full display and Uncle Sam, KFC Colonel and Ronald McDonald in escort, all so that I can get entry to Power Boys.... But even that is no guarantee for free entry

[loke]

The going rate in BKK is still 1000 to 1500, but it depends on where you pick up the boy.

Anyway I only prefer GR and Hornet these days where the "going rate" is anything between 0 and 1500.

[bucknaway]

The going rate in BKK is still 1000 to 1500, but it depends on where you pick up the boy.

Anyway I only prefer GR and Hornet these days where the "going rate" is anything between 0 and 1500.

The Romeo guys are much more fun in many ways for the most part.

[a447]

I forgot who it was that was wondering about #25 from Boyz Boyz Boyz.

Bucky, it was probably me.

I'm really surprised that he Is willing to sa-moke, as he is 100% straight. But that's good news.

I'm just wondering how on earth you handled that monster cock. After your experience with him, I'd consider offing him, but as a bottom, that cock is a bit of a worry!

Is number 77 still there? If he is, I'd love to hear an account of his performance in bed.

[bucknaway]

I forgot who it was that was wondering about #25 from Boyz Boyz Boyz.

Bucky, it was probably me.

I'm really surprised that he Is willing to sa-moke, as he is 100% straight. But that's good news.

I'm just wondering how on earth you handled that monster cock. After your experience with him, I'd consider offing him, but as a bottom, that cock is a bit of a worry!

Is number 77 still there? If he is, I'd love to hear an account of his performance in bed.

He was above average for Thai but I was able to find a angle that allowed for deep throat but it nearly pushed him over the edge so I had to stop.

Now as far a #77.... I think I had my one off for the visit. I won't be able to tell you. :((

[christianpfc]

Thanks for your report and have fun in Pattaya!

...so I went to Golden Cock and the bar hidden in an alley along the same street.
The bar is Super A.

At Golden cock there were a few good looking guys. 3 guys sat with me and one was a fat guy. I picked a handsome well hung guy to drink with me and the others left.
How did you know he was well hung? Boys in Golden Cock are all fully dressed, as far as I know.
(I won't invite a fully dressed boy for drink, tip and chat to find out if he is hung, but others might do.)

[bucknaway]

Sorry Christian, I always confuse the Golden Cock with Nature Boy. I was in the tiny bar with the guys in underwear, not the one where they wear jeans.

[arsenal]

A447: Most of the straight guys will smoke you, Just ask them before you off them not afterwards.

[BOY69]

I forgot who it was that was wondering about #25 from Boyz Boyz Boyz. His name is Pin or is that Pen? Anyway he is Straight but gay for pay. He said he is top only but is willing to smoke. For those of you who wonder who I am talking about. It is the guy that uses his cock to beat the 2 bongo's at the bar after the big banana show.

Well, he just left my condo after some fun. He is a true performer and fucks at various speeds. He can go from gentle and smooth to hard rabbit thrusts as he builds momentum. He had no problem raising to the event and not soon after dressing in latex and lube, he was... Well.... Lets say he was knocking at the back door ready to gain entry. After gaining ground an inch at a time he asked where should he cum.

I won't go into details about the event but I will say that it was an enjoyable time. He didn't go through a lot of positions but I was not complaining. Would I off him again? Yes and I have never offed the same guy twice but i would with him.

He is not a hug and kiss type of guy. He is more of a "Suck my dick and I'll fuck you silly" type of guy.

Hi Buck

Did you pay the going rate for #25 or did he want
more ?

[bucknaway]

The host suggesed 1500 but I had a good time with him and was in a good mood so I tipped 2000. It was my one and only off of this trip so I didn't mind going over. I often will over-tip but I resent others on this forum demanding we all tip big.

There are also times when I go in a bar not wanting to off anyone and a guy will make me an offer I can't refuse where he asks only for 500 baht..... It's no guarantee, but I may take him up on his offer. Then again, I often don't.

Sometimes I may meet a guy online who askes for 200 baht and that is all he may get.

[scottish-guy]

.....Sometimes I may meet a guy online who askes for 200 baht....

But some of us draw the line at fucking the homeless.

[bucknaway]

While I paint the town red, some will be drawing lines.

[arsenal]

Touch├й Bucky.

[christianpfc]

.....Sometimes I may meet a guy online who askes for 200 baht....
But some of us draw the line at fucking the homeless.
A friend reported having sex with Cambodian construction worker for a beer and a hot shower.

I have never been offered sex for 500 Baht in a bar or for 200 online.

[goji]

Remember the concept of negotiation.

Soi Twilight gets a lot of newbie tourists. Of course their opening suggestion will be for a high tip, as some customers will know no better and pay it.

I suspect all of their boys will be happy with 1500 baht.

Furthermore, I've had Bangkok boys making their opening offer of 1000 baht on Gay Romeo, then seen the same boy on stage in Soi Twilight. I'm sure he would be pushing for 1500 if offed from the bar, but he opened with an offer of 1000 on Gay Romeo.

Never entering into any conversation with a mamasan or waiter is a good rule. The only exception would be if your must have boy doesn't speak enough English.

[bucknaway]

.....Sometimes I may meet a guy online who askes for 200 baht....
But some of us draw the line at fucking the homeless.
A friend reported having sex with Cambodian construction worker for a beer and a hot shower.

I have never been offered sex for 500 Baht in a bar or for 200 online.

I'm lucky... I am just a poor minority male. I think the guys are taking pity on me :-)
I guess they can also tell that I am there for a drink and social fun and not interested in offing anyone. On a slow night they are offering me a buyers discount i guess.

[BOY69]

Remember the concept of negotiation.

Soi Twilight gets a lot of newbie tourists. Of course their opening suggestion will be for a high tip, as some customers will know no better and pay it.

I suspect all of their boys will be happy with 1500 baht.

Furthermore, I've had Bangkok boys making their opening offer of 1000 baht on Gay Romeo, then seen the same boy on stage in Soi Twilight. I'm sure he would be pushing for 1500 if offed from the bar, but he opened with an offer of 1000 on Gay Romeo.

Never entering into any conversation with a mamasan or waiter is a good rule. The only exception would be if your must have boy doesn't speak enough English.

Yes that's correct if a waiter of namasan are involved they will push the rate up and take a commision from the boy because they closed the deal for him !
I never discussed the rate with the boys before I offed them
and paid between 1000 to 2000 BHT , never had any problem with that .

[egel]

Never entering into any conversation with a mamasan or waiter is a good rule.

It is Rule Number 1

[bucknaway]

How things change...... I just left good boys and if I didn't already have 4 orgasms today I would have offed the well muscled guy that could not seem to put his cock away. To be honest there were a few guys in there that I would be flattered with if they paid me any attention outside of the bar.

I also stopped by at Eros and there were so many offable guys I stopped trying to count them.
Sunny boys had 9 guys either too skinny send twinkish or fat and twinkish.

Sansuk...... I had trouble looking around without guys trying to pull me into booths.
One slim well built handsome guy was pulling on me but at the moment I felt him to be just like all the rest I have had fun with. Same body, same facial features.... so I broke away from him gently and came across an older muscular thai.

I may just skip all the cat and mouse games and just screw around in the sauna for a few hours on my final days here.

[latintopxxx]

I'm stunned...so much honesty and good advice. Boys are available for 500bht or for a beer and shower and a nap. When I posted some time ago that I picked up construction workers and shop assistants I got blasted. But yes, on romeo and grindr one can neotiate an all up fee of way under 1000bht. One can cruise construction workers and fuck them for a lot less than a thousand..particularly love the rough non pretty boy construction workers..have hard lithe muscular bodies and a certain unpolished earthiness to them.... they know that they are second class citizens to other thais and even lower in the scale next to a farang..so one can do just about anything on the rough sex/humiliate scale.
A few months back when walking back from babylon to the malaysia hotel I spotted a real cutie (amazing smile and teeth and the firmest bubble butt and pecs I've seen in a long time) in very short shorts having something to eat with another 5 Thai workers outside the Austrian consulate. His co workers noticed my interest, I simply couldnt stop staring..and started pointing and laughing...after about 5 min what was probably the foreman ambled over and with a combination of sign language and broken language I " offed" him for 400bht...i paid the foreman there and then. Cutie accompanied me to the malaysia where his ID was checked (probably because he definitely did not look like a guest) and i found out he was 20. Back in my room I took immense pleasure in showing together...had the most amazing firm body, type of muscle that only a long day of physical labour can achieve. He was useless at sucking me off and didnt want to rim but i insisted and showed him my " ugly face"..so he did..loved the look for disgust on his face as i sat on his face. Fucking wasnt the best either...clearly this wasnt something he did on a regular basis, but i did achieve penetration and we fucked for a while with him grunting quite a bit which was music to my ears. Had the most amazing bubble butt...I simply couldnt stop playing with it. Whole thing was over within an hour..I tipped him 200...he left with a smile.

[christianpfc]

While I never involve staff in offing a boy, bruce_nyc has found a way to do the offing by only talking to staff, not to the boy:
post305681.html?hilit=%20mamasan#p305681 (http://sawatdeenetwork.com/forum/post305681.html?hilit=%20mamasan#p305681)

[latintopxxx]

...I get where bruce is coming from..its another form of humiliation...u buy the boy without even asking him...like he doesnt matter...just an object to be enjoyed...

[thaiguest]

OH....here we go again...the price nazis will soon jump on the band wagon. Yeah right...the going rate in BKK is 2000 ...yet I score sooo much prime arse under 1000....now where is that amphora of water...need to turn it into wine....fuck I'm good!!

A bit off topic but he went to weddings with his mother and was a helpful guest but never a groom as far as we know -do you think he was gay too?

[latintopxxx]

...ha...never thought of it that way...

[bucknaway]

Another day pissed away.... Here it is 6:00pm and I have not been out of my room yet. I woke-up and answered a Grinder post and then waited for an Iranian guy to show up. He left and then I got a call from my favorite Thai sex friend and waited for him to come over, we had fun and then I got a knock on my door from a guy I met on the beach and I endured more fun and just when I thought I was done with it all, a guy I lost contact with send me a message using Line asking me to help him cum. I told him about my day and he is promising to drive me to the mall one I help him.

Right now, I have had it up to here with cocks.....

The guy that cleans my room must think I am some type of whore with nothing but condom wrappers in the waste bin.

[Forky123]

Maybe he'll be knocking on your door next....

[peeseua]

The guy that cleans my room must think I am some type of whore with nothing but condom wrappers in the waste bin.

Happened to me once in Kuala Lumpur when I was younger. The guy jokingly asked me if I was making money by servicing older men.

I replied indignantly, "I'll have you know I am not a whore. I am a slut!"

[latintopxxx]

bucky boy...why do u say pissed away?? sounds like u had a perfectly full day....