News of Pattaya's death has been greatly exaggerated!

[colmx]

Hi All
1 week back from a Thai trip and thought I should write a quick update before my news becomes old!

First job on return was (as usual) was to book the next trip... so now that the New Year flights are all booked up... my Post Pattaya Depression (PPD) has started to lift!
Following my last trip at Songkran i was quite critical of the bars... and rightly so - they were awful... however on this trip I found that a lot of them had turned things completely around... I even ended up offing a few guys... which is something I have rarely done on recent trips!

Yes the bars are bereft of customers, but they are full of handsome and eager staff all waiting for you to choose them... so news of Pattaya's Death has been greatly exaggerated!

Patatayland:
BBB:
First time ever my BF asked to go back to BBB 3 nights in a row... For me that says it all... He would normally balk at the idea of going in there at all =; =;
They have a great selection of guys there with something for everyone... The addition of the "coyotes" has really livened things up
The first show starts at 22.40 and finishes around 23.40 - and its cocks, cocks, cocks, B-boys, cocks
The second show is at midnight and is the B-Boys usual Tiffany Show,
I pity some of the rank-and-file gogo boys as they don't have much of an opportunity to get a customer in the 20 mins between the shows

Only negatives are that they have way too many waiters there getting in the way, and the old BBB herd could still do with some pruning of the 30/40s deadwood career gogo boys

Funnyboys:
As others have said another bar that has faded to a shadow of its former self, maybe only 10 boys there, but 1-2 cuties... One of which was in my Shopping basket for a long time... That itch has now been scratched and he was as good as I had hoped!

Toyboys:
Lots of cute guys working here, definitely the most well run bar in terms of attentive well behaved workers and good looking staff.
Seems they have a lot of guys from Laos and Cambodia and in my opinion the boys there are of a higher "class" than elsewhere
Most nights I was there I was offered a 2nd drink for free, which I mostly declined - as I don't like to stay any one place too long!
Offed 2 guys from TB, both great company in NAB, but one only so-so in bed
TB gets a lot of chinese/taiwan visitors

Dreamboys:
Their Aicon was not working every time I went in - but I stayed despite that
Not as many cuties as previously, but still enough for me to off 2 guys over the duration of the trip
Again one came home but the other was despatched home after a guy (who was obviously his BF) turned up in TumnanIssan and started throwing dagger eyes at us!

Cupidol:
Cupidol has regained some of its former glory and have around 25-30 boys working there, nice election and again a really well run bar.
Some people love Mamasan M, others hate him, I generally trust him to steer me right on a good boy.

Kawaii: probably my 3rd favourite bar in pattaya now (after BBB and TB = Joint top), around 15 boys and all very friendly and funny, good place to go if you want to have some fun joking with the boys, some real characters there!

Vassa:
Usual 8-10 boys, didnt really see anyone I liked on 2 visists

Abomb:
8-10 boys, all straight and hunky. Not my thing, but seems to get quite a few customers most nights

Sunee:
Powerboys:
as the usual mix of fem/straight boys, seems they have a new "superstar" now, gets offed multiple times per night, looks very young and fem, but I am told he is actually 22.

Niceboys:
Seems to have dispensed with their gay boys and it was all rough straights on my 2 visits.

Sunny Boys:
Is a shadow if its former self and only had a few boys on both my visits, disappointing

Eros:
Really needs to do something about the smell in the bar, spraying air freshner does not help disguise the fact that there is a smell of a dead rat in the place! It could do with a good steam cleaning!

Jomtien:
I passed through Jomtien Complex on several occasions - but never stopped, all of the bars were packed every time we drove past... with boys of course (not customers Saw some nice eye candy on the way!

NAB:
NAB not as packed as it used to be, except on the weekend nights.
It was noticeable that the majority of tables had customers from Either BBB or TB at them
The BBB and TB guys get the offs (as they get the customer numbers) and in turn have money for going drinking
On one occasion I was the only farang in NAB! Never thought I would miss the Russian queens!

Tumnanissan:
We went twice and both times Aircon was not working, it was way to stuffy ad all our gang felt sleepy being there (too hot)... so of course we had to hit NAB instead
Most of the dancer boys in Tumnanissan seem to moonlight on hornet/grindr by day - and then dance at night

I think with the closure of Idol and Dave - Pattaya is still definitely missing competition to the big 2 night venues... hopefully something will materialize before High Season!

APPS:
Hornet is definitely winning the battle of the gay apps
Gay/Planet romeo have shot themselves in the foot by removing the free Plus Mmeberhsip for thai - it is practically a ghost town there now
Grindr/Jack come nowhere near Hornet in terms of numbers online
Blue'd seems to be the up and coming new star - especially for finding Chinese/Taiwan guys

I am sure i have some other random thought from ast trip that i will post later

[colmx]

Interestingly i saw an Indian guy haggle the price of a drink in BBB down from 250 to 150 at the door
So it seems that even in pattaya there is room for price negotiations!
He did end up in the worst seat in the place though, right at the back where the "disco" used to be.

Also had a few drinks in Copa - who have turned into an open fronted bar and done away with the gogo boys = whilst retaining the cabaret and swimming shows.
Some friendly guys working here and no longer having to compete with BBB on the price front, so some nice drink promotions
e.g. 6 shots for 350B - which went down a treat =P~ =P~
And for an open fronted place it was surprisingly cool inside with AC, so well done to teh owners on changing their business model to attract a new audience

[frequentfliers]

i would agree with you about Boyz town except that you didnt mention Panorama.We had some great nights there recently and it was very busy.

[firecat69]

Colmx

Very nice report. I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago.

I guess my only disagreement might be Cupidol . I have known M for years and he does not bother me one way or another.

There were in fact 26 boys all on stage when I visited but I thought they were some of the most unattractive boys M ever recruited. Compared to the boys he recruited for Dreamboys when it re-opened , it was night and day difference IMHO. and wonder what will happen with that street with all the boarded up buildings.I find that street to be in rapid deterioration

The removal of Orleans has left that corner pretty dark but for sure the original BT street is the 1 of the 3 streets that is not looking like time for a a complete do-over.

Toyboys has been doing a good job for quite some time and many of the Boys can be found on Romeo and Hornet.

I agree Hornet is really taken over but I see more boys on Romeo then ever. Plus membership never made much difference to the boys more for the farangs again IMHO. Never even heard of Blue'd so thanks for that.

[arsenal]

Great report. Will send Bucky into orbit with delirious excitement.

[francois]

Colmx

I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago


What a pity! :(

[aussie_]

Never even heard of Blue'd so thanks for that.
I have been using Blued recently and have over a hundred messages from China and only a few messages locally where I am travelling. Others may find it a useful app but to me it is time wasting. Maybe the Chinese are looking for a way to escape the homeland?

Besides that, an excellent report from Colmx and I will follow your and firecat69's recommendations next week when I visit Pattaya.

[catawampuscat]

Well written Pattaya boy bar review. Few of us write about the after hours club boy bars.
Boyztown is indeed live and well. There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
Two of the busiest, most successful boy bars in Pattaya are both strictly No Smoking.
Toy Boys and Boyzboyzboyz both have large groups of Chinese chain smoking customers, who get up
and smoke cigarettes outside. Bar owners who allow cigarette smoking don't get it..

[arsenal]

The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.

[latintopxxx]

thanks, great report, guess its all done to the luck of the draw, some days its quiet and others not.

[Dodger]

Thanks colmx.

It's nice to hear some positive comments for a change.

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[firecat69]

The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.

Out of curiosity because I have not been there for quite some time, but last time I was there NiceBoys was certainly not busy and not even close to Eros on most nights.

Just wondering what others have noticed?

[Dalewood]

Oh dear.....sad to see Eros only meriting a brief mention. :((

[francois]

Never fear, Eros is still alive and working his charms. Also Sunny Boys is more lively these days.

[bucknaway]

Great report. Will send Bucky into orbit with delirious excitement.

I agree, great report. It's good to know that the bars are surviving and improving.

I only hope that I have half the success you have enjoyed.

[Magnum]

... There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
...

Agree. They have one super cute boy there. Young, slim and handsome. The boys were in jeans but dancing and enjoying themselves. Worth a visit.

[christianpfc]

Thank you very much for your report.


BBB: ... The first show starts at 22.40 and finishes around 23.40 - and its cocks, cocks, cocks, B-boys, cocks
The second show is at midnight and is the B-Boys usual Tiffany Show, I pity some of the rank-and-file gogo boys as they don't have much of an opportunity to get a customer in the 20 mins between the shows

In August, I was positively surprised with BBB's boys and first show. Did you sit through the second show? The first show was good, I want to attend their second show, but will skip if it's with ladyboys. Are there empty seats between the shows? When I went, it was full, no space to have a gogo boy sit next to me to ask him if he wants to go with me.

[colmx]

In August, I was positively surprised with BBB's boys and first show. Did you sit through the second show? The first show was good, I want to attend their second show, but will skip if it's with ladyboys. Are there empty seats between the shows? When I went, it was full, no space to have a gogo boy sit next to me to ask him if he wants to go with me.

We went back at different times on different occasions, but the bar def empties out after the first show and has a much smaller crowd for the midnight show
BTW - in my opinion you have no hope of getting any of the Coyotes (especially superstars like no.23) ST for 1000B, I don't think any boystown boy would accept less than 1500ST

[colmx]

Well written Pattaya boy bar review. Few of us write about the after hours club boy bars...
I forgot to mention Pluag Mai and Tumnanchon - which we also visited

PM is one of my BFs favourite venues (its a live music place on 3rd road near the morlam field), for years they have been open fronted without Aircon - and i have been able to use the excuse "too hot" as a reason to not go there...
Unfortunately (for my excuses!) they have now fully enclosed the premises and Aircon'ed it... so I no longer have a reason not to go there!

Tumnanchon is still getting the crowds, similar to Pluag Mai it draws only a few gay visitors, most of them are non-Bar boy types... who can identified by the knowing looks etc



Boyztown is indeed live and well. There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.

I didnt realsie WWB was under new management... wonder have they done away with teh ridulous 250B drinks yet?

Pattaya Beer Garden
One other place I forgot to mention was Pattaya Beer garden on walking st
I know that Joe552 goes there quite often, but not sue if any other members of the board go there?

We went 2 times on last trip, not any gay customers that i could see, but BF and i like the atmosphere there
We usually go around 17.30 and get a nice seat out on the pier, great views of pattaay and the sunset, cheap beer (450B for 3 Litre tower), extensive menu of Thai and Farang food, clean toilets and friendly staff.

Fine dining it is certainly not, but its a very relaxing spot:
http://www.pattayabeergarden.com/

We usually head home at 20.00 fed and watered for a quick shower before heading out on the town!

And in case anyone is wondering... the beer garden... has no garden!

[bruce_nyc]

Yea. Pattaya Beer Garden is a decent atmosphere on the water. Casual food and drinks. It's one of the very first places in Pattaya that accepts bitcoin, btw.

On my last little mini-trip to Pattaya, I was sad to see that Copa Showbar caved in to the competition's trend to make the entire bar open to the street; show and all. It really cheapens the place... and the show has really gone down in quality. I have always loved their shows. I've always gone almost every night that I've been in town.... every time. But now, it's just as bad as the others. Not worth going for. So sad. It's so bad, even Boyz Boyz Boyz show is probably more entertaining at this point... ( and I'm not into it either. ) I guess now you have to go to Tiffany or Alcazar to see a good show.... But those aren't the same. It's just not the same when the audience is bus loads of straight Chinese tourists. :( The Copa show used to be so great!

Anyway, only offed two guys. One from A Bomb who I'd had before. He was ok. My bf liked him more than I did. And later one from Funny Boy. He was a big disappointment. After we got back to the room ( 30 seconds later, at Ambiance ), he suddenly didn't want to bottom. Geez. I hate it when they lie about what they'll do. He was just awful and a waste of time. So bad that we didn't off any more boys until we got back home to Bangkok.

[catawampuscat]

The busiest bar in Sunnee is Nice Boys and they allow smoking.

Have to agree. I know many farangs that refuse to go to Nice Boys because of the heavy smoking. It's also
in dire need of new seating but word is the Thai owners aren't making money and getting desparate.
All of Sunee Plaza, boy bars and restaurants have been very quiet and slow for many months. Nice boys
marginally the busiest most of the time.
Last night, there were almost a dozen hot guys in Good Boys. All ready to show you what they got.
Many nights, just one or two boys.
Sunny Boys is better but still only 7-10 boys and few customers. Eros quiet as well and number of boys
varies greatly and usually few customers. Eros needs a thorough cleaning and the toilet is about the worst around.
The nicest and cleanest toilets are in Sunee Pl. are in Allofme and Allofmetoo.. The small cloth hand towels are a
nice touch.

[catawampuscat]

... There's some life at Wild West Boys, with new owner
and some refreshing of outdoor decor but almost no boys working yet.
...

Agree. They have one super cute boy there. Young, slim and handsome. The boys were in jeans but dancing and enjoying themselves. Worth a visit.

They'll need more than 4 boys to make a go of it. Of course, if you see what you like, you don't need a lot of boys
but most of us are spoiled by choice and like a dozen or more boys.
Magnum, did they have a show? They said one or two of the older well endowed boys would be doing a shower show.

[Magnum]

Magnum, did they have a show? They said one or two of the older well endowed boys would be doing a shower show.

I left early because my favourite boy was offed (waited too long). But I think they have a shower show as there is a shower on the left side of the stage.

[bruce_nyc]

Yes. I only need 1 boy...... if it's the "right" boy.... ( which I've never seen in Sunee Plaza, by the way.... ever. ).

Also, I try to avoid all shows as much as possible... everywhere. They're almost always terrible.

Even the best ones ( Copa Showbar - not now, but before it's new renovation ), and Dream Boys in Bangkok ( gets old after you've seen the same show 1,428 times ).... are just not what I go there for.

If gogo bars had a drive-thru takeaway window, I'd be very happy. :-)

And the sex massage shops that offer outcall service charge absorbent rates.... Much more than the go go bars.

[firecat69]

What is an absorbent rate? HeHe

[bruce_nyc]

What is an absorbent rate? HeHe

It's a rate that sucks. ;-)

I blame voice to text for all of my keyboard typing errors.

[Dodger]

bruce_nyc wrote:


And the sex massage shops that offer outcall service charge absorbent rates.... Much more than the go go bars

The off fee for a take-home massage boy in Pattaya is 500 baht, which is actually the most economical piece of ass you can get. No drinks to buy at those inflated bar costs or arm-tugging mamasan's to contend with, and most (in my experience) are genuinely nice guys who are very willing to show their appreciation.

Most Pattaya massage boys (can't speak for Bangkok), spend 12 hours a day sitting on their asses watching the world go by, who really take delight in going off for the day, especially if they're with a jai dee farang who can show them a fun time. I routinely take this one boy off who loves going to the movie theater. I pick him up at noon when the massage parlor opens, whiz him off to Central Festival for a movie and a mid-day meal...then, we spend the afternoon...evening..and next morning...bouncing between the sofa and the bed. I've just spent half the amount that I would have if I were out all night on the bar scene, and enjoyed having more sex...and much better sex, in the process.

[bruce_nyc]

That's True. When I lived in Pattaya I used to do that too.

In Bangkok, it's been my experience that the massage boys are not allowed to "off" and go home.... unless it's an outcall that was organized by the shop itself. And in that case they charge crazy high rates like 5000 or 6000.

[Dodger]

5,000 - 6,000 baht...that's beyond crazy.

Apparently, they prefer that their staff not go off.

Just one more reason that I prefer PTY over BKK.

[bruce_nyc]

I know. It's so weird. Some even buy ads advertising "24 hours тАв outcall service" . But you call them and those are the rates you're quoted. 5000 baht. I think they're just trying to extort the maximum fees they think rich hotel tourists will pay. If one paid 5000 one time without complaining..... then that's the new rate for everyone every time. They need some great competition. Seriously!

( If I remember correctly, it was Urban Male and Senso that both advertised outcall service, and both quoted ridiculous rates. Probably I saw their ads on this page at one point: http://www.utopia-asia.com/bangmasa.htm )

[arsenal]

Colmx: It really isn't true that all Boyztown boys are demanding a minimum of 1500 Baht. The ones who do are usually those who are particularly good looking AND have a good few years experience. 1200 is a reasonable amount to pay for short time. However BBB boys perhaps consider themselves a cut above and so charge more although few of them are my type being old muscle Marys.

[firecat69]

The formula is you have the massage at the place of business and if the boy you selected is someone you want to repeat with, you get his phone number. And forever the massage establishment is removed from future liaisons .

[bruce_nyc]

So far, *every* boy I've off-ed in Boyztown in the past few years has expected at least 1500 minimum. Some swear it's less. But the only way I can account for this discrepancy is that we must have different taste in boys.... and thus we are pursuing very different types of boys. And my "type" demands more. :-(


The formula is you have the massage at the place of business and if the boy you selected is someone you want to repeat with, you get his phone number. And forever the massage establishment is removed from future liaisons .

I know. That worked for me many many times when I lived in Pattaya. But it's never worked for me in Bangkok for some reason. Even when I get the boy's number, he only seems interested in meeting me at the massage shop. It's so weird.

[firecat69]

If your preference are Muscular Bottoms then yes they are in short supply . But I seem to remember you mention your BF and you taking a boy. Then of course you have to pay more. Boy must service 2 people and he could care less how good looking your BF is. It's a Job.

Because of the influx of Chinese some of the Bars are trying to set the minimum at 1500. They would have no luck with me and I'd be willing to bet 95% of the boys will take less as long as you whisper it in their ears. Xmas , New Years different story. Demand goes up and boys can hold out for more.

ToyBoys good example of Bar trying to raise the minimum. I currently have 4 boys from ToyBoys in my list from Romeo. Each of which would be happy with an offer of 1000.

I actually applaud the Bars for trying to raise the rate as long as it is not the mama sans trying to get a cut. They deserve nothing more then their salary and a small tip maybe.

[arsenal]

Bruce: Well I suppose there are variables involved for example type of boy offed, length of time, expectations etc. Perhaps it's time for me to put it up to 1300 as underpaying the boys has never been my thing.

[bruce_nyc]

I've never found a boy in Boyztown that would accept less than a minimum of 1500 for a short time. Well, not in the past 4 years. It is the 6-pack muscular bottoms, yes. And exceptionally handsome. But other than that, no special demands. By the way, when my bf goes with me, we say we want to off a boy only for me. Then later in the room, we can figure out if he's cool with my bf joining in.... or not.... or if he expects more. So far, I've never found a boy who had a problem with my bf joining in. If he performs very well with us both, I normally give him a little more than the minimum (1500 Pattaya/2000 Bangkok) anyway.

[arsenal]

Bruce: Yea, I have to agree with firecat. If you are offing for two then it's going to cost more. Even if you tell the boy it's only for you he's going to have an idea that this isn't entirely true because he's in this business 24/7 and so are all his colleagues/mates. I've never been turned down at 1200 but as I said, I think I'll put it up by 100.

[bucknaway]

As a tourist, I find the apps to be exciting and fun. Not only do I get to find sexy and exciting guys, but I get to find guys that are as interested in me as I am with them. Sure I go to the gogo bars but I rarely off a gogo guy. I will sit with them, buy them a drink and just have a good time, but when the night is over and I head back to my room alone, I open my app and get a guy to come over and if I want more I open the app again and invite another guy to come over. In the morning while I am laying in bed, I can pick up my phone or tablet to have another guy come over before I have even set foot out of bed.

One surprising thing was that on my last trip there in April, I stayed near Jomtien Complex. I got back to my room when all the bars closed. Once I was in my room I fired up my app's and found many working guys online. A few wanted fun. I asked if they wanted fun for money or just for fun? Many said they just wanted to have sex fun and no money. I took one cute guy up on his offer and we had fun all night and into the morning. He refused taxi money stating that he lived in Jomtien Complex and would walk.
That was not the end of it. I chose to find out where he worked and visited his bar often to sit with him, buy him drinks and to tip him.

But what surprised me was the number of bar guys online after hours looking for sex without money.... It just goes to show me that people are people...

[colmx]

Because of the influx of Chinese some of the Bars are trying to set the minimum at 1500. They would have no luck with me and I'd be willing to bet 95% of the boys will take less as long as you whisper it in their ears. Xmas , New Years different story. Demand goes up and boys can hold out for more.

I noticed that some of the chinese tourists in TB were paying the bar the boys tip as part of their bin (so pay for drinks, off, and tip at same time - and i presume the boy get his share before he leaves or on his return)
I know that some bars used to enforce this up front tip with russian and Indian tourists... So not sure if the Chinese guys were just trying to clear their debts in advance - or if the bar was making them do it.. or if a guide book advised them this

On the free drinks in Toyboys, of course its just a ploy to keep you longer and get more money
You buy your drink and then call a boy for a drink, manager gives you a free drink when you are nearly finished yours
As a result you feel kinda obligated to buy the boy another drink, net result is the bar gets an additional 220B for the price of your beer (35B) and the boys drink (65B)
And of course custmer leaves happy that he got a "free" beer!

[bruce_nyc]

I'd be willing to bet that it was the bar forcing the Indian and Chinese customers to pay the whole thing in advance because they had already had so many Indian and Chinese customers try to stiff the boy.... or try to negotiate the tip down even more *after* their time together was over. Too many cheapskates or cheats, basically.

[bucknaway]

I wonder if any of this will effect my barhopping in Sunee... For the past few years a few bars would not let me enter unless I paid an entrance fee thinking I was Indian. Of course I didn't pay it, I simply went to a different bar. After a few days of seeing me around the plaza, they end up trying to drag me into their bar and offering me advice on what to say the next time they make such a mistake as to impede my entry. Sadly, their advice never works and the scenario is played out again on my next visit. Now I just go to those bars to see if they are going to stop me and demand an entry fee or if they will let me enter without any problems.

This only happens in Sunee.. Other bars just warn me that their bar is a gay bar.

[egel]

On the free drinks in Toyboys, of course its just a ploy to keep you longer and get more money

Mmm not sure about that. I go there often with my farang friend and we both get free drinks every time, even if we are not sitting with a gogo boy.
However, Pat knows us quite well by now!
It actually works out very little more than a beer bar in Sunee, if you have 2 drinks (and get one free) :p

[bruce_nyc]

Sad that people can ruin the reputation of an entire race, or nationality..... i.e. Indians (cheap as hell), Chinese (rude as hell), Russians (drunken fights from hell), or whatever..... :(

[aussie_]

Patatayland:
BBB:
First time ever my BF asked to go back to BBB 3 nights in a row... For me that says it all... He would normally balk at the idea of going in there at all =; =;
They have a great selection of guys there with something for everyone... The addition of the "coyotes" has really livened things up
The first show starts at 22.40 and finishes around 23.40 - and its cocks, cocks, cocks, B-boys, cocks
The second show is at midnight and is the B-Boys usual Tiffany Show,
I pity some of the rank-and-file gogo boys as they don't have much of an opportunity to get a customer in the 20 mins between the shows

Only negatives are that they have way too many waiters there getting in the way, and the old BBB herd could still do with some pruning of the 30/40s deadwood career gogo boys


I attended the 1040 show at BBB last night. As usual they gave me a bad seat but I moved to a location in the centre of the club with what I thought would be a clear view of the stage and chatted with some nice Chinese guys on their first visit to Thailand. Difficult to watch the show with staff continually blocking the view and hovering over the 8 Chinese ladies that arrived at 1050. There are some hot guys at BBB but many should be retired. Get rid of half the waiters and others that are blocking the view and chatting amongst themselves or trying to endear themselves to customers. The B Boys were great, the best part of the show. The big cocks 10 pin bowling was amusing.

I walked past Toy Boys on the way to BBB. I saw at least 30 guys on stage and a very good selection so that will be my entertainment tonight.

Sunee was like a ghost town, sad to see it like this compared to past visits.

[bruce_nyc]

I agree with your review. It seems like BBB is the only show now... so naturally everyone is there. And Toy Boy, Fresh Boy, and A Bomb are the only gogo bars with a selection..... sometimes. I've never seen any boys that appeal to me in any of the other soi 1 or soi 2 bars.

Sunee was a ghost town when I last went too. My bf wanted to get out of Sunee as fast as possible. "Why you bring me to this place!?"

[newalaan2]

Yes the bars are bereft of customers, but they are full of handsome and eager staff all waiting for you to choose them... so news of Pattaya's Death has been greatly exaggerated!
Thanks for taking the time to update Colmx. I'm due there in a few days and it's great to get current/reliable updates. News of Pattaya's death has been being reported for the last few years yet it still lives on. It always amazes me to hear BT is dead, sunee is dead and so Pattaya is dead, yet I visit mostly in low season and there are always tons of boys available if you add together all the beer bars and agogos in BT, sunee and Jomtien. Also across Pattaya the opportunities to hook up with a cute young guy are vast. Not just the host bars, gogo bars but the massage shops, late night clubs, karaokes, beach road and even Walking Street as well as the early morning 2-4am eateries along Pattaya Tai down from Wat Chai. Plus online opportunities!

Glad you mentioned Pluag Mai, great that it is now enclosed, even though clearly not one of your favourites, it is one place we (bf, me and friends) can agree is worth a visit. Reminds me of the old Campan. According to bf and friends the thai food is excellent there,also a very nice change from the pounding repetitive NAB/club beats with great musicianship and players....enjoying guitar as a hobby I appreciate the live music. I hope to give tamnanchon a whirl as well as NAB, tamnanissan.


Cupidol:Cupidol has regained some of its former glory and have around 25-30 boys working there, nice election and again a really well run bar.Some people love Mamasan M, others hate him, I generally trust him to steer me right on a good boy.
guess my only disagreement might be Cupidol . I have known M for years and he does not bother me one way or another.There were in fact 26 boys all on stage when I visited but I thought they were some of the most unattractive boys M ever recruited.
Yes it's true M has two extremes in terms of being liked by customers. I have known M for 15 years since he ran NokNok in sunee, back then he was always helpful and polite, but over the years he has always been a bit of a chancer as well as irritating when you are wanting to concentrate on the boys and not his babbling. I have seen umpteen occasions when he has slipped a chit in an unsuspecting customers bin for the drink he has just poured himself, organising a whip round of customers cash for a dubious chuck-wow show and the prize presented to the boys somewhat less than the actual amount collected. However he is always very polite with me but keeps a distance since I put down an early marker with him, ideal! But as Colmx says he is knowledgeable regarding boys/staff.


I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago.
You see 'sad' and others like me see it relaxing and laid back. Of course it would be great to see it busy all of the time, but Sunee is still one of the places I find every reason to visit when in Pattaya. I disagree about sunee recent history, if you want to experience real 'sad' you needed to have visited 10-15 years ago, when it was a dump as well as very very 'sad' and attracted the worst type of farang when I first came to Pattaya about 15 years ago, it took many years to rid itself of its underage and associated problems and finally turn into a safe relaxing area with welcoming bars but without pressure, and it has managed to stay that way for a few years now.

Part of the essence of a Thailand trip for me is the chance to be somewhere completely different to Euroland and to re-charge my batteries not only by enjoying the delights of Boyztown, the late night clubs, jomtien, karaokes, walking st bars, etc... by relaxing and just chilling with willing and lovely gay lads like many of the boys in sunee who work in the host bars who are fun, genuine and hardworking. I still go to gogo bars but not to off boys as I have had a bf for the last few years. I enjoy a drink.....mix of alcoholic and non-alcoholic, I can have a great time at the likes of Ouds Bar/caf├й with a great coffee, a beer or even a pineapple juice where it can be very entertaining and great fun. A holiday/break for me is not only about 24/7 fucking, once you have had your twice daily quota (or more?!) there is still a lot of hours to enjoy simple things in life as well as the wild.


My bf wanted to get out of Sunee as fast as possible. "Why you bring me to this place!?"
"As fast as possible" Really bruce_nyc? It's a quiet bar area for relaxing, having a chat or a drink not a fucking war zone! I assume the reason you simply HAD to get out as 'soon as possible' must have been that you were threatened by a mob of local thugs, or maybe chased by a pack of soi dogs...no? So just a dramatic over-the-top screeching fit then...yes?

[francois]

Good post newalaan; agree 100 %.

[colmx]

Glad you mentioned Pluag Mai, great that it is now enclosed, even though clearly not one of your favourites, it is one place we (bf, me and friends) can agree is worth a visit. Reminds me of the old Campan. According to bf and friends the thai food is excellent there,also a very nice change from the pounding repetitive NAB/club beats with great musicianship and players....enjoying guitar as a hobby I appreciate the live music. I hope to give tamnanchon a whirl as well as NAB, tamnanissan.

Actually from what I understand the owners/management (and a lot of staff) Pluag Mai are prtty much the same people as Campan...
Certainly they are still using the same beer mats and whiskey trolleys as the old venue!

And the little and large singer from the group below definately played in one of the house bands in Campan too
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The chicken strips in Pluag Mai are pretty tasty too!

[firecat69]

Yes the bars are bereft of customers, but they are full of handsome and eager staff all waiting for you to choose them... so news of

I visited most of the places you mentioned a few days a go except of Sunee which I see absolutely no reason to visit. So sad what it has become and what it was even 5 years ago.
""You see 'sad' and others like me see it relaxing and laid back. Of course it would be great to see it busy all of the time, but Sunee is still one of the places I find every reason to visit when in Pattaya. I disagree about sunee recent history, if you want to experience real 'sad' you needed to have visited 10-15 years ago, when it was a dump as well as very very 'sad' and attracted the worst type of farang when I first came to Pattaya about 15 years ago, it took many years to rid itself of its underage and associated problems and finally turn into a safe relaxing area with welcoming bars but without pressure, and it has managed to stay that way for a few years now.""


An interesting and true description in many ways Newalaan2. But if you think the worst kind of faring are still not there you are dreaming. Their desires are fulfilled in different locations but they still hang out in Sunee. The farangs that insult and demean boys by offering them 300 baht for sex are still in great supply . They know when things are bad for the boys and when they can offer such disgusting amounts because the boys need to pay their rent and eat.

I also find it interesting that one of the favorite bars mentioned as being missed is Gentleman's Club. Everyone including the police knew that Bar had underage boys all the time. Not to say they were all underage because they were not . I frequented that Bar and took some boys off from there but turned down more because they did not have ID's.

Of course the response was always , no problem take boy upstairs ( but of course it was a problem) and long before that street started to die , that Bar was forced to close.

So yes we all have Rose Colored glasses when it come to certain memories and we all find different ways to enjoy our past favorite places even when they may not be what they once were.

I agree there is no place in the world where someone has as many choices to meet willing boys from saunas, massage shops, Beer Bars,GoGo Bars, Disocos, Planetromeo, Grindr,Jack'd Hornet etc.

Sometimes I just wish that people realize when all is said and done about the reasons they visit told to their friends back home, we all know it is because of the Boys.

I just wish that everyone would think about that when they try to cheat the boys out of a fair amount because they are desperate , when they sit on their hands in the GoGo Bars and never give out some tips to Boys on stage even if only 20 baht notes. When they fail to give a cute waiter or any waiter in a restaurant even a 7 or 8% tip.

I know there are many people on this and other Boards that treat the Boys fairly and with respect. But unfortunately I know there are many who do not and there are many people who read these Boards who are not members or posters but just read for information when they plan their trips.

It is always important that we encourage them to realize that some days all those choices may no longer exist. I can remember a lot of cities where I thought the fun would never end and it did. Nobody spends thousands of dollars on airfares and Hotels because they think the restaurants are wonderful. They come because of the availability of Boys. They need to be treated with respect an dignity and offered fair amounts for their services . And having a bad experience with a boy does not allow you to treat the next boy with less respect or dignity.

[bruce_nyc]

My bf wanted to get out of Sunee as fast as possible. "Why you bring me to this place!?"
"As fast as possible" Really bruce_nyc? It's a quiet bar area for relaxing, having a chat or a drink not a fucking war zone!

Notice that my *bf* said that. Not me. I said.... I think maybe I should give Sunee yet another try.... alone. ( I can only guess that he felt uncomfortable because it was dark and a little bit of a ghost town. He's attracted to busy active places and 5 star places. )

I get that it's a quiet area for having a chat and a drink. I guess, if I go alone, who am I going to to have a chat and a drink with? I almost never sit and drink.... especially not alone. But I'll give it another try....

Yes, there's no place on earth with more opportunities to get laid per hour than Pattaya, Thailand. If you can't get laid in Pattaya you can't get laid anywhere ( and you're not even trying ).

I also agree that the truth is, All men go to Pattaya for sex. When I hear guys back home in the US talk about wanting to go to Thailand for the beautiful beaches.... I laugh so hard. We have much nicer beaches much closer to home. Usually it's because they're talking in front of their wives. :p

The part about "trying to cheat" the boys by offering them less.... is balony. Business is business. If you want to make it into a charity, then call it a charity. There is no minimum or maximum donation to a charity. But this is clearly a business transaction. If you offer the boy a measly 30,000 baht for sex, you should be ashamed of yourself! How can he pay his rent!? If you offer the boy a measly 3000 baht for sex, you should be ashamed of yourself!! That's nothing compared to the price back in your home country! How dare you *insult* the boy!

The truth is...... whether you offer the boy 300 baht for sex, or 30 baht for sex, they're not insulted.... and why should they be. Business is business. They certainly have the right to say no. And they *certainly* have the *right* to say Yes too! 300 baht in their pocket is..... 300 baht in *their* pocket. In the rural villages in Thailand, young guys have sex with Thai locals for a cigarette.... an *actual* cigarette! Nobody is insulted. ( except maybe you ) Any crying game where the boy *acts* insulted is just faked.... to get more... like a crying fit because he loves you and wants you to off him... It's all a silly acting job.... and all Thai people know it. As soon as you're gone, they're having a laugh about it.

If anything, I'm sure I overpay and over-tip all the time. That's my right too. But *believe* me.... It's *not* out of some misguided sense of pity, nor even a sense of charity. It's because of my selfish desire to be taken care of better.... and remembered.... and treated like a VIP customer. I overpay and over tip for my *own* benefit. Not theirs.

When I want to be charitable, I give to real *actual* charities.... like the orphanage in Thailand for abandoned little children born with HIV. Have you ever visited it? Have you ever given money to it? ( If not, don't speak to me about me not being charitable enough. Try being charitable yourself first. )

Those who offer the boys less.... have every right to do so. Business is business. As long as the boy always has the right to say No.... *and* the boy has the right to say Yes. If the boys are agreeing to 300 baht.... then the customer can "help" ten times as many boys... :)

[firecat69]

Amazing ! Don't talk to me about charities or orphanages . I have given to both and I am quite sure much more then you ever have.. The people who talk about charities in regards to helping rather then worrying about boys getting a fair amount are usually the ones who never give and do not treat the boys fairly.

You overpay for your own benefit ? Ridiculous . Is that how you treat your BF? I'm always amazed that the people who say they overpay are so strong in their opinions that Business is Business when discussing what boys should be paid .

The reason so many questions on these Forums are about accepted minimums to be paid to the boys is because many people want to know what the Norm is. Not how little you can pay but what is fair. They do not come here expecting to offer the boys as little as they can. But unfortunately some do , and if you think a boy accepts 300 because business is business then you have your head up your ass and don't really understand Thai people.

[arsenal]

Firecats description of the Sunnee of old is absolutely spot on. There were also gangs of pre-pubescent boys marauding about the place with an air of menace about them causing trouble for bar owners and customers alike. Although their 'leader' Red Ant was always very polite to me and I would buy him some food once or twice per trip. He would ask for 20 baht plus 10 baht because he didn't know how to say 30. We would walk to the food stall of his choice and I would give the money to the stall holder directly.

Before Gary opened up The Corner Bar (the best beer bar Pattaya ever had) it was a truly horrible seedy place. Not seedy like say Eros or Goodboys are seedy but genuinely unpleasant. In comparison it's now quite the beauty spot with the exception of Double Shot.

[firecat69]

In fairness the quote is not clear and it is NewAlaan 2 who described Sunee the way it was and not me. Certainly there were many changes over the last 15 years . It was not all bad back then, just certain elements.

[oldfarang]

I don't think Pattaya is dead or dying just changing, same as everything in the world.

Sure for the last time I was in Pattaya, Sunee, BoysTown (more Sunee) as a dirty old single man, it was more fun.
Did Pattaya change or did we both changed. My guess both changed.
Even the 20 years as a holiday farang (1986-2006 or so) I have seen many changes.
Now in 2015 I live here and single again, yes Pattaya change, less filled bars (boys and farangs).

The 3 I had in the past 2 months from Sunee, where OK for me, but then I don't demand that much anymore. I am just too old.
But I had great times from between 9-10PM to 3-4PM, that is 16 hours together, that I did not feel lonely.
Maybe one of these days I will call one or just go Sunee again.

[newalaan2]

I also find it interesting that one of the favorite bars mentioned as being missed is Gentleman's Club. Everyone including the police knew that Bar had underage boys all the time. Not to say they were all underage because they were not . I frequented that Bar and took some boys off from there but turned down more because they did not have ID's.Of course the response was always , no problem take boy upstairs ( but of course it was a problem) and long before that street started to die , that Bar was forced to close.
So why exactly do you ALSO find it interesting that one of the bars which was a favourite along with numerous others from that time is Gentlemen's? That was on a different thread to this so why bring it up here? But your bringing up that gentlemen's had underage is hardly a revelation, so why mention it? And It's hardly a revelation because Gentlemen club along with virtually every bar in the pattayaland area at that same time including the biggest prime agogo bars Boyztown had underage! So what's your point?

I know why it was MY favourite and that was mainly to do with the Petchabun contingent of lads I previously mentioned, who were there from 2000 onwards when I first visited, as well as Tum the mamasan and anyone who knows any history about Gentlemen's would realise he cared neither for the owner or his preferences. That's why there were man-boys working there when Tum could get them onboard, as he liked to have a mix and his personal preference was manly types. Anyway as you admit you were a customer there so you should know. Obviously you tried to off boys who were unable to provide a legal ID. I never needed to check IDs with the few boys I offed from there as I reliably knew who was of age.


But if you think the worst kind of faring are still not there you are dreaming. Their desires are fulfilled in different locations but they still hang out in Sunee
Where did i say I thought the worst kind of farang have completely disappeared? It's you who are dreaming if you think the current 'sad' sunee is anything like it was 10-15 years ago. You are also dreaming if you compare the amount of those 'worst kinds' who still 'hang out' over the last 5 years to that of 10-15 years ago. The scene now is absolutely nothing like, not even remotely close to anything like back then. I don't know how you manage to recognise all these farangs known for fulfilling their desires hanging out in sunee, anything that happens nowadays happens behind shutters at the back of certain bars. Back then it was out in the open, encouraged even, you couldn't miss it. Ridiculous to compare now in sunee to then.

What I said was (in general terms) sunee has come a long way to get rid of its reputation, it may be quiet at times but is at least 95% improved from a decade or so ago and certainly not a sad place to visit as far as I and many other members here are concerned, and that was my point.


The farangs that insult and demean boys by offering them 300 baht for sex are still in great supply . They know when things are bad for the boys and when they can offer such disgusting amounts because the boys need to pay their rent and eat
Look I agree it's disgusting that farangs try to get boys cheaply, especially visitors who clearly have spare money to part with. But what has that got to do with sunee? and don't forget there are other ways of insulting and demeaning boys, like taking pictures of and posting them on gay internet forums, do you really think young lads like posing with their underwear around their ankles while some 'customer' takes a naked photo to post on forums? They do so because they have to pay their rent and need the money and feel obliged to bow to the whims of the customer who is paying, even though they don't like it. That is also taking advantage of a boys poor situation don't you think. Not much difference between cheapskates and those who demean in other ways far as I'm concerned.. In fact I would like to think a boy would prefer a cheapskates Bt800 than a customer who pays Bt200 more at Bt1000 but insults demeans them in other ways. Both unacceptable however.



Notice that my *bf* said that. Not me. I said.... I think maybe I should give Sunee yet another try.... alone. ( I can only guess that he felt uncomfortable because it was dark and a little bit of a ghost town. He's attracted to busy active places and 5 star places. )I get that it's a quiet area for having a chat and a drink. I guess, if I go alone, who am I going to to have a chat and a drink with? I almost never sit and drink.... especially not alone. But I'll give it another try....
Notice that I didn't say *you* did say it! but since it was you who made the post and not your bf I can hardly address your bf now can I? I was only teasing BNYC because it is such an unassuming place why anyone thai or farang would want to 'get out as soon as possible' is a tad over the top. I would advise against your 'trying again' with sunee as you are clearly not cut out for its style of ambience, and if you visit again while still finding it not to your liking you will probably post negatively and the place can do without unnecessary negative press, low season is bad enough without discouraging remarks on gay Thailand forums. But at least you were willing, in word anyway, to give another try.

Of course one reason your bf may have wanted out of there a.s.a.p. was apart from when he realised it wasn't a glitzy,HiSo, Boyztown-style, 5 star place with all the exciting diversions he is so used to up there in shan-land and maybe not suited to the idea he has of himself, was the fact he realised he might actually have to sit with you on a one-to-one and make conversation, possibly even having to listen to you talking about yourself for an hour or two and was possibly just too much for him to contemplate.........no wonder he got out of there as fast as possible......only teasing again! I'm sure he just must be really 'into you'.

[bruce_nyc]

We sit and talk at great length all the time. And we both enjoy it. =P~ Thank you very much. :D

The reason I said I want to give it another try alone is that I fear I might be missing something. Maybe I'm missing the point. Or maybe I'm missing the experience that you guys enjoy. But I promise that if I still don't enjoy it, I won't post anything negative again.

It is pretty amazing how *very* different the feeling and vibe is in those three places... Boyztown, Sunee Plaza, and Jomtien Complex. It's almost as if they are in completely different cities.

[firecat69]

newalaan2 One thing I can always count on with you is that you take every comment personally whether it is aimed at you or not . How about the things I agreed with you on, no mention of those. Actually I did not disagree with you on anything but just added context .

But with you everything is Fighting Words. I don't get it, and I won't comment on any of your posts any more in the future.

[arsenal]

Bruce: You mentioned a bar called Fresh Boy. I've never heard of it, where is it?

[anonone]

Hi All
1 week back from a Thai trip and thought I should write a quick update before my news becomes old!
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Hey colmx.
Great summary of the Pattaya scene. Glad you had a good time.
I totally get the "book the next trip" thing. It helps to know when you will be back.

I have noticed a decrease in ventilation / air con at TNI as well. A couple of nights, I had to go outside for a bit to get some fresh air. Some killer cigarette smoke on occasion, which sometimes gets to me.

Anyway, I haven't been checking SGT of late. I see the normal bickering is still in place.

Interesting to see everyone's comments about BT and Sunee. One of the great things about Pattaya is the variety for everyone, both in companionship and locales.

I rarely visit BT anymore. Last trip, didn't visit even once. I find the staff at Sunee bars much more to my liking. More laid back and friendly, mostly Isan boys. Boyztown is much to "gay disneland-esque" for my tastes.
Although colmx had now peaked my interest to check out a couple of the bars now on my next trip.

I shall return in a month or so and see how things are primed for high season.