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Maxxy
September 23rd, 2015, 12:58
Hey fellas, I have seen mentioned on another post Truvada (or Artipla) and I am wondering the best place to buy it in Bangkok? Is it available at any pharmacy or do we need to see a doctor or go to a clinic first? Just looking for that extra little bit of protection

francois
September 23rd, 2015, 14:13
A wiser choice would be to get it in your home country and begin taking it before arriving in Thailand. It takes a while to become effective.

latintopxxx
September 23rd, 2015, 16:15
francois...maybe he wants to bring his 1st weeks supply and top it off here....

Maxxy
September 23rd, 2015, 16:36
francois...maybe he wants to bring his 1st weeks supply and top it off here....

Yeah looking at future supplies for next years trips

francois
September 23rd, 2015, 17:45
There is info on Thaivisa forum and some other sites if one wants to do a google search.

I doubt anyone can walk in a pharmacy and buy over the counter.

firecat69
September 24th, 2015, 17:54
You can walk in anytime and buy it at: CHULA PHESAJ Pharmacy on Rama 4 between Silom and Surawong. There are very few things you can't buy there with no prescription. One of the most hectic pharmacies I have ever seen. I believe they also suppy many of the other pharmacies and hospitals.

Maxxy
September 25th, 2015, 08:25
Thanks firecat, really appreciate it and yeah I've been to that pharmacy before. Cheers

Patanawet
September 25th, 2015, 12:09
You can walk in anytime and buy it at: CHULA PHESAJ Pharmacy on Rama 4 between Silom and Surawong. There are very few things you can't buy there with no prescription. One of the most hectic pharmacies I have ever seen. I believe they also suppy many of the other pharmacies and hospitals.
I've used this pharmacy monthly for a couple of years now.
I'm sure you're right about them supplying hospitals, clinics etc. as there are often customers in there with huge database printouts to be filled.

Tried different times of day, unsuccessfully, to find a quieter time . At least 10 assistants rushing around like ants.

Brings my monthly medication bill from Bangkok Christian hospital down from 3K to 1.2K Baht.

Hint ---- write your needs on a piece of paper and stand looking helpless and an assistant will take pity on you.

Make sure you get the correct pharmacy as there are several in that short strip of Rama 4.
Details from their card:
Chula Phesaj
942/25 Rama 4 Suriyawong, Bangrak BKK 10500
Open Mon-Sat 08:30-8:00 pm email chulapessaj@gmail.com. phone 02 233 5105 (and in that quaint Thai way several other numbers).

Maxxy
September 25th, 2015, 12:28
Cheers Patanawet

Patanawet
September 25th, 2015, 15:09
Hint ---- write your needs on a piece of paper and stand looking helpless and an assistant will take pity on you.


As a further thought, if you're shopping anywhere for something unusual --- write it down ----- the Thai assistant may not understand your accent or pronunciation.
Even better, if you've got an example of the product, take a photo of it on your smartphone. I tried miming 'fence posts' once!

And once spent ages in a taxi trying to communicate Soi Convent ----- eventually, the driver twigged and taught me how to pronounce Convent correctly.

Maxxy
September 25th, 2015, 16:26
Hint ---- write your needs on a piece of paper and stand looking helpless and an assistant will take pity on you.


As a further thought, if you're shopping anywhere for something unusual --- write it down ----- the Thai assistant may not understand your accent or pronunciation.
Even better, if you've got an example of the product, take a photo of it on your smartphone. I tried miming 'fence posts' once!

And once spent ages in a taxi trying to communicate Soi Convent ----- eventually, the driver twigged and taught me how to pronounce Convent correctly.

Cheers, will see if I can print out a pic of a packet that may help out.

francois
September 25th, 2015, 23:17
Anyone have an idea of cost of Truvada at this pharmacy?

firecat69
September 26th, 2015, 09:01
6 months ago it was 2800 baht per bottle of 30 pills.

bruce_nyc
September 26th, 2015, 09:45
I could google it. ...... but for the benefit of others...

What is Truvada for?

Ok. Googled it.

"Tenofovir/emtricitabine (Truvada) is a fixed-dose combination of two antiretroviral drugs used for the treatment of HIV/AIDS."

Can Thailand pharmacy suppliers be trusted for quality standards for such an important use case....?

My instinct would tell me to get it in your home country if at all possible.

firecat69
September 26th, 2015, 11:18
Too many people think that because they walk into all 1 shop pharmacies on every corner and find prices vary that they must be dealing in fake products. Also you did not do much of a google search or read all the posts in other threads that Truvada is being used by some because of its proven ability to prevent HIV.

This particular pharmacy mentioned by me and others on this Forum is one of the biggest Pharmacies if not the biggest in Bangkok.

If you go to Bumrungrad , BNH etc (best hospitals in BKK) and don't want to pay the exorbitant prices for drugs in the Hospital pharmacy and you ask the DR to give you a recommendation , a great % will sent you to this Pharmacy. The Gold Standard in BKK

loke
September 26th, 2015, 16:04
Are there any side effects , and will they protect healthy people without HIV or is it just a waste of money ?

Patanawet
September 28th, 2015, 15:57
I've just been to Chula Phesaj pharmacy and asked the price for you.
It's gone down a little to 2,500 since Firecat was there 6 months ago.

Just as a matter of interest, I called in at Fascino (Thailand wide chain of pharmacies) and they'd never heard of it. After searching in the computer the pharmacist said "not allow in Thailand".

bruce_nyc
September 28th, 2015, 16:50
That's another question.

They seem to sell things in Thailand that are not even legal in Thailand. How can we be assured of its quality? ..... and even of its source or origin?

lonelywombat
October 2nd, 2015, 10:23
Truvada is getting a lot of bad publicity here ,Is it really safe. Are people aware of the side effects. It is supposed to be sold here as a treatment for people with HIV not as a prevention.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/campa ... jy1u8.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/campaign-encourages-gay-men-to-have-unprotected-sex-in-attempt-to-boost-sales-of-antihiv-drug-20150930-gjy1u8.html)

Campaign encourages gay men to have unprotected sex in attempt to boost sales of anti-HIV drug

DateSeptember 30, 2015
Beau Donelly, Anna Whitelaw


Sexual health advocate Steve Spencer, who imports PrEP from overseas. PrEP effectively blocks HIV transmission when taken daily.
A guerrilla advertising campaign is encouraging gay men to have unprotected sex to promote a non-approved drug that combats HIV infection.

Large posters have been put up across Melbourne, prominently featuring a blue pill and the text: "YOU CAN F*** RAW. PrEP WORKS. NO MORE HIV."

A little-known activist group is behind the explicit message promoting condomless sex when using PrEP, an antiviral drug dubbed the HIV contraceptive that is readily available overseas but not in Australia.


Health experts have slammed the controversial ads for failing to promote safe sex and the importance of regular health screening, branding them "extremely unhelpful" and "completely wrong".

Sold as Truvada, PrEP is proven highly effective at blocking HIV transmission when taken daily. It is funded by the Australian government as a treatment for people with HIV, but not as a prevention. The drug is currently before the Therapeutic Goods Administration, but if approved is unlikely to be available through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme for at least another 12 months.

Trials in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland have shown promising results so far, with no new HIV infections among hundreds of participants. And gay men are already ordering the drug online from overseas.

The Australasian Society for HIV Medicine said while people were frustrated they could not access PrEP locally, the campaign's message had been lost.

"It's a step too far," chief executive Levinia Crooks said. "My concern is they get misconstrued in the general population and also among people who are at high risk of HIV.

"You don't just get HIV when you have unprotected sex, you could also get syphilis, gonorrhea, a number of other STIs."

University of Melbourne Professor Sharon Lewin, HIV specialist and head of Doherty Institute, said the posters sent the wrong message. "There's no doubt we have good evidence that PrEP works to prevent you getting HIV. But the studies have shown that it only works when there's no change in the background level of condom use," she said.

"The message here is not that you no longer need condoms. The message is there is an additional layer of protection now that men can now use on top of their condom use."

The Victorian AIDS Council and Living Positive Victoria said there were concerns about the inflammatory language used in the campaign and its potential to stigmatise gay sex and people with HIV.

But they said the campaign was evidence of growing demand for the drug and showed there was a need for it to be made available in Australia.

The Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations has previously called on the federal government to fast track availability of PrEP amid warnings that delays are leading to avoidable HIV transmissions.

Collingwood student Steve Spencer is one of many gay men importing the generic brand of PrEP from India with the help of a prescription from his GP. He started taking a daily course of the drug earlier this year after missing out on a spot in the Victorian clinical trials.

"I realised my risk of HIV transmission was too high to ignore so taking control of my sexual health through the use of PrEP became a huge priority," the 23-year-old said.

For Mr Spencer, PrEP is not a substitute for condoms, but it gives him peace of mind.

"During sex, alcohol and other drugs can fog your ability to rely on condoms, or the condom could fail," he said. "As a gay man, seeing what the HIV epidemic has done to our community, to have this freedom from fear is incredible."

Many LGBT organisations support the use of the drug, arguing that some people will have unprotected sex anyway and that those who avoid getting tested due to the fear of being HIV positive present a greater risk to public health.

The Australasian Society for HIV Medicine's guidelines recommend only high-risk groups have access to PrEP, such as people in relationships with someone who has HIV, gay men who have multiple partners and people who do not use condoms.

Karen Price, acting chief executive of HIV prevention and LGBTI health group ACON, said she was disappointed the message that could be taken away from the campaign was that gay men were irresponsible.

"That's not our experience of gay men and how they feel about HIV," she said. "There is an element of guerilla advocacy and I think it comes from a place of wanting to up the ante in the discussion."

Activist group SEEITCLEARLY2020, behind the campaign, said it was aiming to promote the "most powerful tool" to combat HIV. "The reality is that HIV will continue to be transmitted by raw sex if we do not make PrEP fully accessible to Australians," it said in a statement.

Gilead Sciences, which manufactures Truvada, said it had nothing to do with the posters.

"Gilead supports Truvada for PrEP as an important HIV prevention tool if used as part of a comprehensive HIV prevention strategy among certain high-risk populations. However, until it is approved by the TGA, Gilead does not support its off-label use in Australia," a spokeswoman said.

Maxxy
October 2nd, 2015, 14:06
Well the idea is to use it along with other measures, condoms are one of those measures but they can split. I was also told that short term use (like for a trip to Thailand, before and after) doesn't have as much side effects as long term use

bruce_nyc
October 2nd, 2015, 23:02
I thought it was bad, or harmful, to use such antirerovirals for short term use. They call it compliance or something like that. Once you start, you're supposed to stay on it. Maybe not forever.... but you're not supposed to go on an off of it.... anytime..... on a whim. Are you? Otherwise a virus strain in your body can build immunity to that drug over time.

In any case, it's a big deal. It's not something to be taken lightly.

Maxxy
October 3rd, 2015, 09:19
I thought it was bad, or harmful, to use such antirerovirals for short term use. They call it compliance or something like that. Once you start, you're supposed to stay on it. Maybe not forever.... but you're not supposed to go on an off of it.... anytime..... on a whim. Are you? Otherwise a virus strain in your body can build immunity to that drug over time.

In any case, it's a big deal. It's not something to be taken lightly.

Taken as a preventative for someone that is hiv negative not as a cure for someone that is positive. It is being used as a PrEP to help prevent infection and SHOULD ONLY be used in conjunction with other methods of protection, those that take this sort of thing and throw away the condoms are insane but could be used with the condoms as added protection.My advice came from someone that deals with these types of medications on a regular basis

Kertom
May 27th, 2018, 16:26
Could anyone verify that chula Phesaj still sells Truvada/ Teno Em without the pesky need of a prescription?

Kertom
June 7th, 2018, 11:51
Still available at chula bhesaj. Teno-em 750b
Weirdly the guy did not want to sell me some
Generic cialis.

Uranus
June 7th, 2018, 14:23
I thought it was bad, or harmful, to use such antirerovirals for short term use. They call it compliance or something like that. Once you start, you're supposed to stay on it. Maybe not forever.... but you're not supposed to go on an off of it.... anytime....

There is no harm in taking Truvada on and off. In fact, PrEP on demand is recommended if you’re sexually active only during travel or on holiday. Taken as prescribed Truvada gives almost 100 percent protection against HIV.

However, it’s imperative that you are HIV negative, and Truvada and its generics don’t protect against other STIs such as syphilis and gonorrhoea. Frequent testing is needed.

Kenny
June 7th, 2018, 16:28
Can anyone advise if PrEP is available anywhere in Pattaya? I tried to Google it but it just mentioned one health clinic for sex workers:(

Davey612
June 7th, 2018, 22:09
I would caution doing a self PrEP program yourself. In the US, you need medical monitoring. First, you have to make sure you are HIV- before starting to take it. That means taking both the normal antibodies oral test as well as the blood test to check your RNA count. Second, it takes time for Truvada to become effective (here in the US it is recommended you take it for 21 days). I know there are studies for short term use, but that still means loading up with Truvada a few days before and continuing using it for a few days afterwards. You should also be tested for the other std that Truvada does not protect.

Finally, the most important reason why you should have constant medical monitoring is because Truvada affects your kidneys. You have to check your kidneys are operating within the safety limits on an ongoing basis.

Kertom
June 8th, 2018, 00:45
As a doc, who can go anonymous.
I strongly dissagree.
You can just as well have medical supervision for paracetemol.
If you are not an idiot, Truvada poses no risk.
The decreases in kidney function are minimal, the risk of resistant hiv is minimal as well.
Common antibiotics produce more sideeffects.

I think a whole industry prefers making money on all kids of consultations and tests.
If anyone wonders why I do not prescribe it dor myself, that would be illegal in my country since only specialised dodctors from std clinics can prescribe it.

Nirish guy
June 8th, 2018, 02:19
A handy link below that answers many of the usual questions that can pop up around the taking of Prep / Truvada .

https://men.prepfact.../the-questions/

Davey612
June 8th, 2018, 06:26
I disagree with Kertom. Truvada is ok only if you KNOW you are HIV-. You can't assume you are - because of some test you did in the past. You have to know you are HIV- at the moment you start the program and that is only possible if you run both the antibodies and RNA test. I also disagree with his view about the effect on kidneys. Each individual is different. You have to have a benchmark as to your kidney functions. Here in the US, PrEP is covered by most health insurance policies. Trust me, they would be more than happy to save money by not doing all the tests if they didn't need to.

dorayme
June 8th, 2018, 07:16
Available at: https://www.silompulse.com

Pulse clinic is near the BTS station Saladang.

Kertom
June 8th, 2018, 09:18
I disagree with Kertom. Truvada is ok only if you KNOW you are HIV-. You can't assume you are - because of some test you did in the past. You have to know you are HIV- at the moment you start the program and that is only possible if you run both the antibodies and RNA test. I also disagree with his view about the effect on kidneys. Each individual is different. You have to have a benchmark as to your kidney functions. Here in the US, PrEP is covered by most health insurance policies. Trust me, they would be more than happy to save money by not doing all the tests if they didn't need to.

I see what you are saying and it all seems valid on paper.
However, one does not need a test to know you are hiv neg, if someone took a test last year and did not have anal sex or shared needles, you are hiv neg. Being hiv neg is important, however what do you think that the expected outcome is if you are not? Because of the way hiv operates chances of building resistance is really low compared to a bacteria. Your gp NEVER does extensive testing when perscribing a first line antibiotic.
Because of the image of hiv the health industry is super duper conservative in anything that has to do with it, this image is an old cow they can milk for money.

About kidneys, many OTC meds can decrease your kidney function long term. Usually this is noticed after the first symptoms appear, people stop and regain their health. Prep studies show only minor effects and hence the same thing can be said for prep.

Think about the people who don’t like to see doctors, making them go for testing will end up in them just not going and not getting prep. In the fight against the virus that is worse.

Someone named Silom Pulse. That one is about 4000 baht (testing+ first time prep), after that more testing and follow up and they sell Teno EM for more money than Chula Bhesaj. I have it on rumors they but their Teno EM at CB and then sell it for more money. In my opinion Silom Pulse is expensive and unnecessary.

kittyboy
June 8th, 2018, 17:58
Does anyone know a pharmacy in pattaya that sells prep?

Davey612
June 8th, 2018, 21:40
Someone named Silom Pulse. That one is about 4000 baht (testing+ first time prep), after that more testing and follow up and they sell Teno EM for more money than Chula Bhesaj. I have it on rumors they but their Teno EM at CB and then sell it for more money. In my opinion Silom Pulse is expensive and unnecessary.

Silom Pulse is basically mimicking the requirements of the PrEP program in the US. Anyone in the US who use his health care insurance for PrEP in the US has to undergo those steps shown in Silom Pulse in order to get Truvada. You may claim all this is conservative but here in the US, liability is a big legal issue and I can't blame them to be specially cautious. Also, the incidence of HIV infection has been going down even when condom adherence has been going down too. That, I believe, has to do with the way PrEP is administered here; that is constant monitoring, not only to see if Truvada is working but to make sure you are not infected with other stds.

As a final thought, I would caution about Truvada being the savior pill. It does not protect you from the rarer form of HIV 2. So, there is a small risk you may still be infected

scottish-guy
June 8th, 2018, 23:26
As a doc, who can go anonymous.
I strongly dissagree.....


...if someone took a test last year and did not have anal sex or shared needles, you are hiv neg...

Am I right in saying you're claiming to be a Doctor (presumably of medicine) and as such you're advising that the only way to contract HIV is through anal sex or needle sharing?

Or have I misunderstood?

In fact I hope I have.

Kertom
June 9th, 2018, 12:04
Am I right in saying you're claiming to be a Doctor (presumably of medicine) and as such you're advising that the only way to contract HIV is through anal sex or needle sharing?

Or have I misunderstood?

In fact I hope I have.

First yes
Second you do misunderstand.
I am saying that unless one has unprotected anal or swaps needles, hiv risk is really low.
This is not a debate on female male or male female transmission. I 100% agree this happens, it is just less common. Even if we believe the rare and self reported evidence of oral transmissions, driving a car is less safe. It’s a waste to test for and a waste of prep if taken for that.

Silom pulse charges 300b more for medicine they are getting around the corner. Please enlighten me how this is part of a conservative american model. A capitalist model perhaps.

scottish-guy
June 9th, 2018, 14:42
Leaving Silom Pulse aside, thanks for basically rewriting what you previously said!

:D

latintopxxx
June 12th, 2018, 04:25
I only take it for " events"...is that safe?? Like when Im in Berlin where bareback is the thing to do, then Ill hop onto prep the day before and will only stop 3 days after the last BB fuck.

Uranus
June 12th, 2018, 05:04
https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep

Nirish guy
June 12th, 2018, 07:11
I only take it for " events"...is that safe?? Like when Im in Berlin where bareback is the thing to do, then Ill hop onto prep the day before and will only stop 3 days after the last BB fuck.

Oh now Latin, come on, we KNOW you can troll much better than that, that was just lazy ! :-) BUT just for a second if you're serious I think you need to go and read the time you need to be taking PREP before it becomes effective perhaps......but you did know that anyway of course.....right !? For your sake I SO hope so anyway !

kittyboy
June 12th, 2018, 20:43
I've used this pharmacy monthly for a couple of years now.
I'm sure you're right about them supplying hospitals, clinics etc. as there are often customers in there with huge database printouts to be filled.

Tried different times of day, unsuccessfully, to find a quieter time . At least 10 assistants rushing around like ants.

Brings my monthly medication bill from Bangkok Christian hospital down from 3K to 1.2K Baht.

Hint ---- write your needs on a piece of paper and stand looking helpless and an assistant will take pity on you.

Make sure you get the correct pharmacy as there are several in that short strip of Rama 4.
Details from their card:
Chula Phesaj
942/25 Rama 4 Suriyawong, Bangrak BKK 10500
Open Mon-Sat 08:30-8:00 pm email chulapessaj@gmail.com. phone 02 233 5105 (and in that quaint Thai way several other numbers).
Today I purchased 3 bottles of generic truvada at the above mentioned pharmacy. 900 baht a bottle. Truvada was quoted at 3000 a bottle. No prescription needed.
I had blood work and hiv tests done before I left for vacation.

The USA has the worst healthcare system. I was prescribed prep by my gp in the USA. My pharmacy quoted me a price of. ....... !!!!!! $1800 for 30 pills!!! $60 a pill. My insurance company would cover $1500 so my monthly payment would be $300. Crazy.

I purchased generic truvada for 30 baht a pill. America is the greatest country in the world for healthcare thievery.

Davey612
June 12th, 2018, 21:09
The USA has the worst healthcare system. I was prescribed prep by my gp in the USA. My pharmacy quoted me a price of. ....... !!!!!! $1800 for 30 pills!!! $60 a pill. My insurance company would cover $1500 so my monthly payment would be $300. Crazy.

I purchased generic truvada for 30 baht a pill. America is the greatest country in the world for healthcare thievery.

Actually, the manufacturer will refund your deductible. You need to apply for the Gilead co pay coupon card
https://www.truvada.com/how-to-get-truvada-for-prep/truvada-cost

Davey612
June 12th, 2018, 21:17
Oh now Latin, come on, we KNOW you can troll much better than that, that was just lazy ! :-) BUT just for a second if you're serious I think you need to go and read the time you need to be taking PREP before it becomes effective perhaps......but you did know that anyway of course.....right !? For your sake I SO hope so anyway !

See https://www.poz.com/article/can-finally-say-ondemand-prep-really-work

I believe studies are still ongoing. But why? By the time you have to do all that, it may as well do a daily dosage

kittyboy
June 12th, 2018, 21:30
Actually, the manufacturer will refund your deductible. You need to apply for the Gilead co pay coupon card
https://www.truvada.com/how-to-get-truvada-for-prep/truvada-cost

Actually the manufacturer states a person MIGHT be eligible to have the copay refunded. I would have to pay the copay and HOPE I qualify for a corporate program that is designed to generate revenue.
The USA has the worst healthcare system in the world - given the wealth oh the country.

latintopxxx
June 12th, 2018, 21:39
as a general rule I fuck with condoms as not only do they offer protection but also make me last longer due to the desensitization effect. I dont like to tax my system by taking medication, currently Im on no medication. But I know that in places like Berlin bare back is common and not wanting to miss out on good sex I oblige. So I dont see the need to take daily meds when I dont need to and Im a top sp the risk is less anyway. Good to know that event based dosage does offer protection.

Davey612
June 12th, 2018, 21:47
Tried to help you Kitty. If you prejudice leads you to have a generic brand with unknown quality control over an OEM pill, so be it. The solution to the copayment is in front of you to take advantage. Have a great day/evening

kittyboy
June 12th, 2018, 22:27
Tried to help you Kitty. If you prejudice leads you to have a generic brand with unknown quality control over an OEM pill, so be it. The solution to the copayment is in front of you to take advantage. Have a great day/evening

I did not ask for your help.
The truvada website clearly states a person MIGHT be eligible for copay help.
My prejudice is against huge medical and pharmacy companies raping the healthcare consumer for profits.
I presume the generic is the same drug as the brand name at 1/60 the cost. Please share any special knowledge you have about the quality of triads versus generic.

kittyboy
June 12th, 2018, 22:30
I did not ask for your help.
The truvada website clearly states a person MIGHT be eligible for copay help.
My prejudice is against huge medical and pharmacy companies raping the healthcare consumer for profits.
I presume the generic is the same drug as the brand name at 1/60 the cost. Please share any special knowledge you have about the quality of truvada versus generic.

The previous post should read truvada...fxxxing autocorrect

scottish-guy
June 12th, 2018, 23:05
RE: Brand v Generic

In the case of Atripla and Truvada the generic is not identical to the brand as different salts of Tenofovir are used, although this will make no difference to the vast majority of users.

Just suggesting that well-meaning but essentially amateur commentators actually get their facts right before pressing Return

Manforallseasons
June 12th, 2018, 23:56
scottish if you keep up these non-frivilous posts you might just be considered for a moderating position one day.:cool:

scottish-guy
June 13th, 2018, 00:08
scottish if you keep up these non-frivilous posts you might just be considered for a moderating position one day.:cool:

That's very naughty - we have already seen that posting frivolous, scurrilous, mendacious, vitriolic, and nonsensical posts is no bar to being a Mod on this board

Nirish guy
June 13th, 2018, 03:24
Good to know that event based dosage does offer protection.

You obviously didn't read the arrival e very carefully then - to others not sure confident in "playing the odds and rolling the dice"I would suggest reading up a little more before taking Latins view as sound perhaps.

kittyboy
June 13th, 2018, 10:57
RE: Brand v Generic

In the case of Atripla and Truvada the generic is not identical to the brand as different salts of Tenofovir are used, although this will make no difference to the vast majority of users.

Just suggesting that well-meaning but essentially amateur commentators actually get their facts right before pressing Return

Is the generic as effective as truvada? I do not have a background in chemistry can you explain the different salts of a drug and it's implications for the effectiveness of retro viral drugs?

Kertom
June 13th, 2018, 12:02
Teno-EM is a bioequivalent of Truvada. It IS the same medication. It IS properly controlled.
It has the same effectiveness.

a447
June 13th, 2018, 15:19
I do not have a background in chemistry can you explain the different salts of a drug and it's implications for the effectiveness of retro viral drugs?

Where's Christian when you need him!

scottish-guy
June 13th, 2018, 15:36
Yep, Christian is your man for the detail on that.

It's beyond my field of expertise -all I know is that experts in the field find the difference worthy of comment and advising their patients on - if there was absolutely nothing in it, presumably they wouldn't bother

frequent
June 13th, 2018, 15:38
Yep, Christian is your man for the detail on thatI haven't got over today's post on christian's blog - the importance of wearing knickers

scottish-guy
June 13th, 2018, 15:43
I haven't got over today's post on christian's blog - the importance of wearing knickers

Well, I rushed right over to his blog right away - and found that the importance of wearing underwear is so you don't get your cock caught in your zip of your trousers.

You do realise that by saying knickers, you'll have misdirected a stream of SGT members with certain fetishes?

frequent
June 13th, 2018, 15:52
You do realise that by saying knickers, you'll have misdirected a stream of SGT members with certain interests?I aim to please :blush:

cixcell
October 6th, 2018, 11:22
Just went right now and bought teno em for 660 baht aka $20 usd.

latintopxxx
October 6th, 2018, 17:47
so its USD60/month then...damn...in my country its subsidised...cost for a month is like USD3.

frequent
October 7th, 2018, 05:15
so its USD60/month then...damn...in my country its subsidised...cost for a month is like USD3. https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/hiv-prevention-drug-truvada-publicly-funded-in-new-zealand

Blacktouch
October 8th, 2018, 21:22
You can walk in anytime and buy it at: CHULA PHESAJ Pharmacy on Rama 4 between Silom and Surawong. There are very few things you can't buy there with no prescription. One of the most hectic pharmacies I have ever seen. I believe they also suppy many of the other pharmacies and hospitals.

Any recommendations which Pharmacy to buy it in Pattaya please?