Pattaya Boystown Report

[dab69]

Have checked out Boystown bars and here are my first impressions.
Funny boys- older boys muscular, bigger. Was late at night check.
Toy boys- not too bad but it was late at night. Even then one cutie flirting
Yassa boys- also late 3 boys. left after drinking 1/2 gin tonic - was Very drunk
X-Boys- Forgot how beautifully this bar is decorated. GREAT show.
Finally-
Classic Boys- even though it was very late many cuties/hot guys.
Very nice mamasan said come earlier for many more guys.
Left @ 12:50 so the boys could close. Was told they could
stay open until 1:30 but we were the only customers.
Don't see how any bar could top their selection.

Ambiance restaurant (daytime)- nice waiter worth mentioning. Good
food and prices not too bad. BLT sandwich, cole slaw, and
art-carved small tomato served au juis atop a lettuce leaf.
Beautiful rectangular plate 120

LCR - always my home in Pattaya. Restaurant opens about 6pm.
Think I got a small upgrade of room. Very happy
to be home. Some night waiters cute and very flirty-
Thought some looked familiar.

[dab69]

Correction :LCR restaurant opens 4:00pm

[catawampuscat]

Classic Boys?? Maybe you're thinking Dream Boys.

[scottish-guy]

Dab69 has already told us he was blotto, so we can surely allow him to be unsure of the actual names of the bars he was in, the actual time he in them at, and what he actually saw whilst he was there.

Other than those minor details I'm sure his review is spot on.

=))

[BOY69]

You forgot to mention Boyz Boyz Boyz club for me # 1 in Pattaya , excellent show twice a night , many cute boys and good atmosphere .

[githailand]

I would certainly agree with you - the boys there are way sexy and the show generally good and different from the other around. The only 'problem' is that most of the boys there are 100% straight- a bit more variety would be nice - but sometimes just looking at hot guys on stage is enough for an hour of a good time.


You forgot to mention Boyz Boyz Boyz club for me # 1 in Pattaya , excellent show twice a night , many cute boys and good atmosphere .

[dab69]

Yes yes "Dream Boys" . Longer you drink in a bar more boys look
nice as you see how they handle themselves and smile.
Naw I typed that when I was sober next day just a ...

Anyone here know how fix iPhone keyboard? Some keys
no work and I have yo aurocorrec and choose different words.
Rebooted seberal times . Fixed itself last time

[christianpfc]

but sometimes just looking at hot guys on stage is enough for an hour of a good time.
Just looking at hot guys - I can do that for free, during daytime, anywhere.

Now that Boyz^3 was mentioned, I saw a boy with an awesome body outside, shirtless in jeans, could see the waistband of his underwear. Are their boys in jeans or all in underwear or mixed?

[egel]

Mixed, depending on the time, and the Show.

Strange Wild West Boys is not mentioned. When I was there a few hot skinny thinks could be offed. They also have a hot boy who is however only part of the show (he is not a go go boy).

[egel]

Strange Wild West Boys is not mentioned
Its not worth mentioning any more.

Strange Wild West Boys is not mentioned
Its not worth mentioning any more.

Last time I was there (last week March 2015), they had a hot 19 year old skinny twink and another skinny twink who I think was 22. If you are into boys like that, then Wild West Boys is worth a visit.
They only have sometimes disappointing shows, because often a huge part of the line up consists of lady boys. I am gay, I want to see boys, not ladies (even it are fake ladies only).

[rtu55]

Strange Wild West Boys is not mentioned
Its not worth mentioning any more.

Last time I was there (last week March 2015), they had a hot 19 year old skinny twink and another skinny twink who I think was 22. If you are into boys like that, then Wild West Boys is worth a visit.
They only have sometimes disappointing shows, because often a huge part of the line up consists of lady boys. I am gay, I want to see boys, not ladies (even it are fake ladies only).

I was in Wild west boys three weeks ago. Only 5 boys on stage but 3 of them stunning. One of the "boys" on stage in his underwear was an out-of-shape man probably about 45 year old. I can not imagening why the boss of the bar allowed him there. The show was good with one act of two naked boys in a jacuzzi.

I walked past the bar tonight at 9 pm. Closed and signs up that the bar is for sale.

I walked past the bar tonight at 9 pm. Closed and signs up that the bar is for sale.

Oh. Sorry to read that. I have offed a boy from that bar on every visit of mine. I am sure the boys will find employment in other go go bars.

[Oliver]

WWB had its good years but was hamstrung by its cavernous interior. When it curtained-off a large part of it, the ambiance improved but it was never very welcoming. But there were times when I enjoyed its show, particularly when it had a troop of cute guys doing traditional Thai dance. When I last saw it (about three years ago) it was merely a poor imitation of Copa, with annoying and less-talented khatoeys but a couple of good-looking guys.

[bucknaway]

What sucks is that if that bar clloses, all those ladybugs are going to go to other bars and influence them to put on more ladybug shows. And so far I have never heard anyone say they beat feet to the bars to see the lady boys perform. I do know that many avoid the shows that only showcase the lady boys.

[rtu55]

What sucks is that if that bar clloses, all those ladybugs are going to go to other bars and influence them to put on more ladybug shows. And so far I have never heard anyone say they beat feet to the bars to see the lady boys perform. I do know that many avoid the shows that only showcase the lady boys.

The ladyboys who participate in WWBs shows are brought in from the neighour ladyboy go go-bar Obsessions only for showtime. So only the boys, not ladyboys, are employees of Wild west boys.
What I have never understood is that if customers want to see the ladyboys of Obsession bar, they go to Obsession bar. If they go past that bar and instead go in to Wild west boys, it must mean that customers want to see boys. So why bring in ladyboys from a bar the customers chosen to not enter?

[christianpfc]

On two or three visits to WWB this and last year combined, there were not many (around 10 or even less, not enough for a bar of this size) boys, but always one or two I found attractive. However prices (250 drink, 400 off as far as I remember) do not justify coming all the way from Bangkok.

[catawampuscat]

I haven't bothered going into Dream Boys on Pattayaland soi 1 for a few months as
there were few boys and they were mostly skinny fem twinks.
Well, tonight after
seeing the 10:00 pm Xboys show, which I had also given up on, we went to Dream Boys.
Around 15 boys with several bigger bodied masculine guys and only a couple of fem
twinks. It was a pleasant surprise and a change for the better. Quite a few were from
Laos. One of the waiters confirmed there was a shift to older bigger boys.
Xboys show was also much better than the last few times and the boys were having fun.
Music much too loud but no tobacco smoking and the bar was fairly full.

[newalaan2]

Around 15 boys with several bigger bodied masculine guys and only a couple of femtwinks. It was a pleasant surprise and a change for the better. Quite a few were fromLaos. One of the waiters confirmed there was a shift to older bigger boys
I certainly don't think a change for the 'better' as a balance is 'better' rather than one sided, however the thing about most of the Pattayaland sois 1-3 bars is that there is a fair representation of bigger bodied masculine guys already. Xmen/boys, ABomb, BzBzBz, and Funny/Toyboys have a few in the ranks, it was a change to have a gay/femme style bar in the BT/Pland area giving variety, it also attracted some of the sunee patrons. Personally while preferring gay lads, and perhaps twinky or even femme I much prefer if a bar has a real mix of masculine, twinky and femme, something for everyone.

Also because I don't see the point of offing or having relations with a straight guy who hasn't the slightest interest in gay farangs I avoid Abomb and the likes as I prefer the boy bars I visit to have genuinely gay lads who don't play up to females, and are genuinely interested in gay farang customers. A far better experience as far as I'm concerned. I know that not all big bodied masculine guys are straight, but two twinks out of 15 guys is not a good balance to keep a larger cross section of customers coming back.

But thanks to catawampuscat for the regular updates/reports he takes the time to post.

[catawampuscat]

Don't fret.
No one would compare Dream Boys to A-bomb or Boyzboyzboyz.
One lad at Dream had tits and another swished thru offered his skinny butt quite blatantly.
I also like balance but without the uber skinny fem boys.
At Xboys a masculine looking waiter was wearing women's high heel shoes and a couple of
fem gay boys available at Xboys too, but not skinny.

[TravellerDave]

Im partial to fem twinks but tits for me are a no no. And as for high heels UGH. Also long hair I do not like. Little bit of make up is OK.
There seems to be an explosion of lady boys in Pattaya and new bars are opening where they are available. Many str guys turn bisexual after experiencing sex with ladyboys.

[arsenal]

For me I have to say fem/skinny boys...yuk. They often seem far too busy moving their hair from one side to the other and back again to take any notice of anything else and when in groups their shrieks would put a parrot to shame. I like straight boys and let's be honest here, most straight Thai boys are actually quite gay (original usage) anyway. And not only considerably better in the bedroom but also way more fun to be with.
I can also say that I have never lost a potential off to a woman customer unless the boy was already with her and no straight boy has ever turned me down unless he was already offed but the next night has always proved fruitful. Indeed I have, on ocassions 'booked' them for the next night
One caveat here and one which I have mentioned before. Do make it clear what you are expecting him to do.
And yes Travellerdave is correct when he says that many straight falang and Thai men find that it's lady boys they really love.

What do your guys think about the frequent female visitors to go go bars in Boyztown? Puts me off to be honest. I don't like they are allowed in a gay bar. It is the same as if a male enters a lesbian bar. Would that be accepted by the lesbians?

I also wonder if a go go boy can refuse a female visitor if she offs him. I mean he is (in most cases) gay. Would he be allowed to refuse? (I don't think he can refuse a male customer; I have never seen that happen.)

[rtu55]

On two or three visits to WWB this and last year combined, there were not many (around 10 or even less, not enough for a bar of this size) boys, but always one or two I found attractive. However prices (250 drink, 400 off as far as I remember) do not justify coming all the way from Bangkok.

I agree, IMHO that bar has always had a few cute boys that makes a visit justified.
They have actually raised off-fee to 500 now.

When I walked past tonight WWB was open again, so they seem to have been only temporarily closed. For sale-signs still up.

[catawampuscat]

What do your guys think about the frequent female visitors to go go bars in Boyztown? Puts me off to be honest. I don't like they are allowed in a gay bar. It is the same as if a male enters a lesbian bar. Would that be accepted by the lesbians?

I also wonder if a go go boy can refuse a female visitor if she offs him. I mean he is (in most cases) gay. Would he be allowed to refuse? (I don't think he can refuse a male customer; I have never seen that happen.)


What some farangs don't understand is that the boy bars are not gay bars, they are boy bars.
Of course gay farangs are the main customer but that is changing as Asian men and
women are now the dominant customer base in the boy show bars, like Boyzboyzboyz in
Pattaya and Dream Boys in Bangkok.
Dream Boys wouldn't even notice if no gay farangs were there as Asians are 90+ % of
the customers and they turn away customers when there is no more room.
Bars like Telephone in Bangkok are gay bars but welcome women as their money is as good
as gay farang money.
Btw, lesbians are welcome in the girlie bars.
Boys can refuse customers and do as Africans, Arabs and Indian/Pakistani men find out.

Boys can refuse customers and do as Africans, Arabs and Indian/Pakistani men find out.

Lol. I can understand Indian/Pakistani. Most of these men are not attractive at all (to me at least). They are indeed the least liked in the gay world is my experience, not only in Thailand. Can also be because of their attitude/behaviour.
But for me I also rarely feel sexual attraction for them. They tend to look older also than their age. I have seen a picture of an Indian math genius of 15 who looked like 22. Many 20 year olds look like 30.

[arsenal]

I have to agree with Catwumpusscat on the unpopularity of certain types. Reason cited are personal cleanliness, the paucity of the tips offered and the number that might be waiting when the boy gets back to the room.
I suspect that in time someone will open a boy bar for just women and I am convinced that it will close quite shortly afterwards as the boys realise that actually gay farang are not so bad compared to Asian women in terms of demands and compensation.
Look at a bar such as Eros. 95% straight and not a woman in sight. If the boys wanted women they'd work where the women go.

I have to agree with Catwumpusscat on the unpopularity of certain types. Reason cited are personal cleanliness, the paucity of the tips offered and the number that might be waiting when the boy gets back to the room.
I suspect that in time someone will open a boy bar for just women and I am convinced that it will close quite shortly afterwards as the boys realise that actually gay farang are not so bad compared to Asian women in terms of demands and compensation.
Look at a bar such as Eros. 95% straight and not a woman in sight. If the boys wanted women they'd work where the women go.

Ok. Thanks. Hadn't looked at it from that way. Good points.

[joe552]

Presumably then, the boys can refuse to go with drunken Irish, Scots in kilts, or ... (insert your own racist bias here).

The last couple of posts are disgraceful. Goosood, who gives a fuck if you don't find Indian or Pakistani men attractive? You presumably know quite a few, to have formed such a judgement.

[arsenal]

Come to think of it G.A.Y in Walking Street was just such a bar (sort of). It closed within about a year (and it was tiny so the rent couldn't have been prohibitive) and I never had a problem offing straight boys there.


Get real Joe. These people are not popular anywhere in the world. Besides, saying that you don't find a particulay group, race, nation etc. attractive is not racist. I don't find Africans attractive myself, that doesn't make me racist. I don't fancy women either but I'm not sexit.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[joe552]

Of the millions of African men alive, how many have you met, arsenal, so that you can say you don't find them attractive? In my view, to write off an entire group of people because of where they come from, the colour of their skin or whatever else, is racist. If you don't find Africans attractive, it can only be because they are African.

Of the millions of African men alive, how many have you met, arsenal, so that you can say you don't find them attractive? In my view, to write off an entire group of people because of where they come from, the colour of their skin or whatever else, is racist. If you don't find Africans attractive, it can only be because they are African.

Of course you are right. When I say I don't feel sexual attraction to Indian/Pakistani men I mean of course (implicitely) that in general I do not like them. Of course there are Indian and Pakistani who I do find attractive.
It is more like this: I think I find myself sexually attracted to say 70% of 20 year old Thai men and to 10% of 20 year old Indian/Pakistani men. That is what I meant to say with my statement. But I wrote it maybe not smart down. It is like "I don't like Michael Jackson". Most people who say that, really will like one or two songs of him. It is just a short hand for: 'in general'. Not the whole group is meant.

[joe552]

Well that is a bit clearer, Goosood. Thanks. I have to admit I'm not particularly attracted to football supporters, but that's not racist either,

[arsenal]

It's my right not to find them attractive Joe, that doesn't make me racist. I don't fancy women either but that doesn't make me sexist.

[joe552]

Not finding women attractive makes you gay, As for the rest....

[arsenal]

Joe. Have it your way. I couldn't care less what you think. Next time you're in Pattaya make sure you ask the boy what he thinks of Indians, Arabs and Africans. If he doesn't say he finds them attractive then don't off him. You don't want to go with a racist now do you.

[joe552]

Good advice, thanks. I always ask the boys about their previous customers - makes me feel special knowing I'm not the first to suck his cock.

[egel]

Anyway anyway...


Look at a bar such as Eros. 95% straight and not a woman in sight. If the boys wanted women they'd work where the women go.
So where do the women go???

[arsenal]

Egel: I actually meant to write Nice Boys as that's a better example. The women go to Boystown, karaoke bars and places that you and I don't even know about.
Also remember that when a woman offs a boy she is usually looking for a genuine escort for a night out followed by action in the bedroom department. This compares to a gay man who probably only wants the boy for a couple of hours. I have seen some of the boys walking through Boyztown with women and they look bored before they get to the top of the road. Night after night of that would become tiresome very quickly and the horny farang male suddenly looks like a much better option. A quick bit of rumpy pumpy and then a night out with your friends.

[catawampuscat]

Much of the action for Africans, Arabs and Indians is on Beach Road, late and in the
dark. Dozens of ladyboys and fem boys service them for a couple of hundred baht.
No condoms and plenty of furtive thrustings and smoking. Desperate ones take 100b.
My info source was an older skinny lady man from an ex-boyfriends village, who later died.
He spoke good English and sometimes talked about his nightly activities. Very very sad.

[Oliver]

It puzzles me when gay men find other racial groups "unattractive"....I'm happy to recall the times I spent with guys in The Gambia (Senegal was good, too) and in Egypt. Until Thailand became accessible to western gays, the place to go was North Africa....Gide and Wilde had great times there. And more recently, even as late as the 1960s, Morocco, specifically Tangiers, was the best place to escape anti-gay laws. Lots of scholarly dissertations on Arab and Islamic (often Sufi) homosexuality if you are interested.
Incidentally, I recall anti- Chinese/Thai graffiti in a London sauna's toilet. Distinctly odd; to my mind, the best looking clients there tend to be Chinese or Thai.

[a447]

As arsenal points out, we have a right to decide who we find attractive or unattractive. But I try not to dismiss a whole country or race of people, as I'm sure all countries have guys I'd find attractive.

God, there was an absolutely gorgeous Pakistani guy walking down the street in KL - beautiful face (complete with designer stubble) - wearing an "I love Pakistan" t-shirt. Unfortunately, he was accompanied by a young woman.

And some of the Arab guys in Sunee Plaza are also drop-dead gorgeous.

But I'd somehow never consider going to an Arab country or Pakistan for sex.

[Oliver]

I certainly went to Tangiers twenty years ago in the hope of following in Joe Orton's footsteps.....read his diary! But, of course, he was murdered by his lover in '67 and the Tangiers he knew no longer exists. Nevertheless, I can think of four or five times when I was approached near the beach and on one of these occasions, we got as far as seeking a hotel that would allow a short-time assignation.
Without success I have to admit.

Luxor and Aswan in Egypt, in the 90s, were places where a single man couldn't walk along the Corniche without being approached by handsome young felluca captains, eager to take you to "Banana Island". And I did go with one of them!

[arsenal]

Happy memories eh Oliver. I was 'taken care of' by a young man in Marrakesh. It completed the set in terms of sexual exploits. Europe, South America, North America, Asia, Australia and finally Africa.

[christianpfc]

Anyway anyway...


Look at a bar such as Eros. 95% straight and not a woman in sight. If the boys wanted women they'd work where the women go.
So where do the women go???
The market of women paying men for sex is tiny. This is biological: men can reproduce one per day, women only once per year. There might be some bars that cater for women, but I estimate the number of men paying women for sex is 100 times greater than women paying men for sex.

In 2013, by chance I came across one bar in Surawong with twink boys that was women only. Apart from that, I only know venues whose main customer base is gays, but who sell to women as well.

I think there are no such places like gay bars or street trade where women pay for sex, I think women paying for sex is mainly hi-so escorting business, because mid-class and low class women can get sex for free any time.


In my view, to write off an entire group of people because of where they come from, the colour of their skin or whatever else, is racist. If you don't find Africans attractive, it can only be because they are African.
Disagree. I do not feel sexually attracted to Whites, but that does not make me racist. Give me any White with brown skin and without excessive body hair, and we might get into business. (In fact, there are a very few examples of Whites I find attractive.)

[fountainhall]

The market of women paying men for sex is tiny. This is biological: men can reproduce one per day, women only once per year. There might be some bars that cater for women, but I estimate the number of men paying women for sex is 100 times greater than women paying men for sex.
Sorry Christian but you seem to make a false assumption - that women have sex only to reproduce. From what I read, there is a large market for women seeking the same one-off non-reproductive sexual pleasures as men. Certainly some of the increasing number of women to be found in Soi Twilight gogo bars are on the look out for sex and no doubt the straight gogo boys are delighted to be offed by them.

I cannot provide any figures but I assume Thailand may not be hugely different from Japan where there is a large number of clubs catering exclusively for women to meet young men whose services can be - and often are - handsomely remunerated. Tokyo alone has several hundred such clubs. Perhaps in Thailand there is a different system or the clubs are under visitors' radar.

[goji]

I've seen a Japanese lady in Bangkok looking to off a boy from Soi Twilight. I knew she was looking, as she was asking me about short time hotels for them.
She must have been in her late 30s and looking quite fit.

On the racism matter, I like oriental Asians a lot. I'm not at all attracted to the darker southern Indians. The slimmest under 20 year old black guys are attractive, but I'm not attracted to any plump hairy guys.
That does NOT make me a racist. Just the same as people who prefer one specific sex are not sexist.

[Brad the Impala]

I don't find Africans attractive myself, that doesn't make me racist.


I was 'taken care of' by a young man in Marrakesh. It completed the set in terms of sexual exploits. Europe, South America, North America, Asia, Australia and finally Africa.

Was the young man who took care of you unattractive? Or had you just been using "Africans" as a kind of euphemism for black people, forgetting the blue eyed Afrikaaner guys and the handsome and horny north Africans?

[arsenal]

With all due respect Brad I think the difference between people referred to as African and those referred to as North African is clear. I reiterate that not finding a particular physiology attractive is not racist. However if others disagree then that is their right. I don't fancy fat, old or bald people (like almost everyone else here) either so feel free to accuse me of being a baldist, fatist, ageist if you choose.

[fountainhall]

I have a Chinese friend who travels a lot to the Middle East. He loves having sex with guys from Egypt, Turkey and various other countries. He is also attracted to fellow Chinese and not a few Thais! Yet he will not go near a westerner from Europe, Australia or the US, for example. Does that make him a racist? Am I a racist because I would not wish to have sex with a Middle Eastern guy?

Preferring to have sex with someone of a certain age, body-type, skin colour etc. surely has nothing to do with being a racist. These are personal preferences in highly personal situations.

[arsenal]

Fountainhall: Absolutely.

[joe552]

I have to agree with Catwumpusscat on the unpopularity of certain types. Reason cited are personal cleanliness, the paucity of the tips offered and the number that might be waiting when the boy gets back to the room.

This is the part of arsenal's post that I found offensive. Doesn't take a genius to work out who he's talking about. And of course we all have our personal preferences when it comes to sexual partners - it's not the same thing at all.

My last word on the topic (honest).

[arsenal]

Joe: Your last word. Thank goodness. Anyway I merely pointed out the reasons why these men were unpopular in Pattaya, it was Catwumpusscat who actually named them and Goosoood agreed with him and I agreed with them. But you make yourself comfortable up there on your high horse.

[Halfhansum]

These "certain types", dont do themselves any favoures either, when they are spotted in the swiming pool, wearing just thier greying underpants, complete with skid marks ... :ymsick:

[catawampuscat]

I was heading to Boyztown one night and we hailed a baht bus. A black American guy
was with us and said it was best if he stood back as the baht bus drivers sometimes
don't stop for him. He said they think he's Arab or African.
American black still have problems in the USA hailing taxicabs, which pass by young
Black males, especially at night. White farangs don't see it or experience it.

[goji]

These "certain types", dont do themselves any favoures either, when they are spotted in the swiming pool, wearing just thier greying underpants, complete with skid marks ... :ymsick:

I read Pattaya Trip Advisor hotel reviews with similar terminology, referring to people of certain nationalities up all night drinking, making excessive noise and wearing underwear with skid marks in the swimming pool.

I don't want any of that in my hotel, so am quite happy if my hotel is populated entirely by people who don't spoil my holiday. Meanwhile, if the people who party all night and foul the swimming pool want to congregate in another hotel, that's fine by me.
This is not racism, it's just that I like to avoid certain behavioural problems.

Furthermore, if I went on holiday to somewhere like Ibiza (I don't), there are an awful lot of young people from my own country who I would prefer not to share a hotel with, on the grounds that I like to sleep at night. This is not ageism. If it is, well I simply don't care.