The Publisher Of Out Magazine Tells it as he sees it.

[Manforallseasons]

G.B. deleates thread, it is a bit over the top but way to close to home for G.B.. and his inner sanctum.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic ... getnewpost (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9827-the-real-thailand/?view=getnewpost)

[Gaybutton]

G.B. deleates thread, it is a bit over the top but way to close to home for G.B.. and his inner sanctum.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic ... getnewpost (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9827-the-real-thailand/?view=getnewpost)
Wrong, as usual. The post was deleted at the poster's request. Try knowing what you're talking about - for once.

If you want to read an article by someone who does know what he's talking about, try this one: http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.co ... -thailand/ (http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2015/02/26/5-things-james-barnes-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-out-in-thailand/)

[thaiguest]

The mission plan for the newly named OUT magazine has been obvious to me from the get-go ie distance itself by stealth from the gay readership base to arrive at a much wider, trendy, smug, cosy fag-hag type customer base.
This month's edition has gone a long way already in that direction- not a single "cute boy" picture featured outside of the ( paid) adverts.
Hilary will be pleased.

[fountainhall]

The mission plan for the newly named OUT magazine has been obvious to me from the get-go ie distance itself by stealth from the gay readership base to arrive at a much wider, trendy, smug, cosy fag-hag type customer base.
Frankly I can't see any other direction for a magazine like OUT to go. If it remains exclusively a gay freebie printed on high quality paper, it has few means of generating income other than from the usual gay outlets. And with areas like Soi Twilight increasingly attracting an Asian market, advertising in an English only mag is hardly likely to increase a bar's customer base. I've noticed on occasional forays to Dicks Cafe in recent months, OUT was no longer placed at each table. Instead it's left on a shelf near the toilet for customers to pick up if they wish.

On the other hand, moving it in the direction more of a general gay lifestyle format and transferring most of the specific sex tourism elements on to the website might give it a chance eventually of attracting the lucrative pink advertising dollars. I notice new ads have started to appear, although whether they are paid for or merely freebies to attract other advertisers I have no idea.

That said, pissing off a lot of the present readership with a series of fatuous comments and posts in a chat room is hardly going to increase its reader numbers. And if it is advertising its after, I expect that at some point it will have to be professionally audited. Advertising agencies are strong on readership figures with numbers affecting rates. Yet I wonder how one audits a free magazine's circulation? Presumably it's possible as freebies like BK Magazine get tons of ads.

[catawampuscat]

G.B. deleates thread, it is a bit over the top but way to close to home for G.B.. and his inner sanctum.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic ... getnewpost (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9827-the-real-thailand/?view=getnewpost)
Wrong, as usual. The post was deleted at the poster's request. Try knowing what you're talking about - for once.

If you want to read an article by someone who does know what he's talking about, try this one: http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.co ... -thailand/ (http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2015/02/26/5-things-james-barnes-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-out-in-thailand/)

Agree 100%.
GB a good sport for linking bangkokbois as he is a frequent humorous target in the blog.
My favorite blog but I do miss the funnies.

[BonTong]

The mission plan for the newly named OUT magazine has been obvious to me from the get-go ie distance itself by stealth from the gay readership base to arrive at a much wider, trendy, smug, cosy fag-hag type customer base.
This month's edition has gone a long way already in that direction- not a single "cute boy" picture featured outside of the ( paid) adverts.
Hilary will be pleased.
Agreed, James Barnes has always wanted to take the mag in this direction; it is something I have had lengthy discussions with him in the past.

But, I don't see the business model for the new direction, it is a 100% English language publication and if you are producing a free gay magazine for Thailand (as inferred by the name) your distribution channels for a hard copy magazine are mainly limited to the places foreign gay readers go. i.e like it or not, your reader base is mainly middle aged or older foreigners wanting to get laid. If you want to reach other audiences you will have to have a different distribution or sales channel, and content people are willing to pay for.

OiT seems to have a delusional belief that more than half the readership is Thai. Yet, it would take a well and broadly educated Thai to be both interested in the subject matter of OiT, and have the English comprehension skills to understand it. Whereas, in fact, these kind of affluent, educated Thai customers OiT now seems to covet as readers, avoid farang gay bars with their stigma of prostitution (and most other business where OiT is distributed), like the plague.

Looking at February's edition it is so anglo-centric it could have been renamed out-in-Brighton: articles for old British queens, about old British queens by an old British queen :ymsmug: . The only articles that contained factual content relevant to Thailand were about legal and financial advice (and the later has some warning flags against it :-o ). IMHO If they want to succeed in their new target market, the content will have to have a more Thai-centric focus in future editions.

Anyway, I wish them luck whatever path they take.

[bkkguy]

OiT seems to have a delusional belief that more than half the readership is Thai.

actually I think the delusional belief is that they are on track to becoming the Thailand version of Out Magazine (http://www.out.com/) with two and a half staff, some sub-sub-licensed "exclusive" articles, an editor who believes his own PR and a webmaster who not only knows how to showcase his presentation skills on the web and in social media but also his customer relationship skills in the forums

bkkguy

[Manforallseasons]

Agree 100%.
GB a good sport for linking bangkokbois as he is a frequent humorous target in the blog.
My favorite blog but I do miss the funnies.


Couldn't agree more, G.B. (jabba the butt) was one of a select few who qualified for consideration to receive the coveted ' turtle ass" award, well done!

[Gaybutton]

Couldn't agree more, G.B. (jabba the butt) was one of a select few who qualified for consideration to receive the coveted ' turtle ass" award, well done!
If for any reason you ever decide to return to my board, which I hope you never do, remind me to change your screen name from "Undaunted" to the truly appropriate screen name for you - "Unwanted."

[Manforallseasons]

If for any reason you ever decide to return to my board, which I hope you never do, remind me to change your screen name from "Undaunted" to the truly appropriate screen name for you - "Unwanted."
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH! 8-|

[Gaybutton]

DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!
Thank you. My prayer has been answered.

[thaiguest]

The mission plan for the newly named OUT magazine has been obvious to me from the get-go ie distance itself by stealth from the gay readership base to arrive at a much wider, trendy, smug, cosy fag-hag type customer base.
Frankly I can't see any other direction for a magazine like OUT to go. If it remains exclusively a gay freebie printed on high quality paper, it has few means of generating income other than from the usual gay outlets. And with areas like Soi Twilight increasingly attracting an Asian market, advertising in an English only mag is hardly likely to increase a bar's customer base. I've noticed on occasional forays to Dicks Cafe in recent months, OUT was no longer placed at each table. Instead it's left on a shelf near the toilet for customers to pick up if they wish.

On the other hand, moving it in the direction more of a general gay lifestyle format and transferring most of the specific sex tourism elements on to the website might give it a chance eventually of attracting the lucrative pink advertising dollars. I notice new ads have started to appear, although whether they are paid for or merely freebies to attract other advertisers I have no idea.

That said, pissing off a lot of the present readership with a series of fatuous comments and posts in a chat room is hardly going to increase its reader numbers. And if it is advertising its after, I expect that at some point it will have to be professionally audited. Advertising agencies are strong on readership figures with numbers affecting rates. Yet I wonder how one audits a free magazine's circulation? Presumably it's possible as freebies like BK Magazine get tons of ads.

On a very recent foray into Dick's Cafe, Jomtien, the magazine was on on a shelf under the table or very close by. Had it been on the shelf near the toilet I wouldn't have wasted 10 minutes looking in vain for the kind of stuff one is supposed to see in a gay magazine.
The best of luck to the publishers but if they're hell bent on fag-hagging trendyism they should be up-front about it and get out of our faces in gay frequented venues.

You are awful manforallseasons teasing Gaybutton like that - but I like you http://www.yourepeat.com/watch/?v=wkLRZzukcJc

[thaiguest]

You are awful manforallseasons teasing Gaybutton like that - but I like you http://www.yourepeat.com/watch/?v=wkLRZzukcJc

If MFAS weren't so awful (no relation to the awful americanism "awesome") how would the rest of us know how good we are?

A bit like Joseph Smith's (of the moraun church) explanation for the existance of black people ie that they were the sons of Cain and were around to place in high relief the purity of the white race.

[BonTong]

Has anyone seen the May issue of Out yet? It' on their website but haven't seen the print copy in Chiang Mai yet which is unusual, its usually quite prompt. On the other hand Thai Puan arrived several days ago.

Has something happened?

[christianpfc]

When I checked in Silom and Surawong two days ago, there was only April edition.

There was a post on gaythailand by a close friend of James Barnes who said he doesn't know where JB is and cannot contact him and asked for help to find/contact JB. That post was deleted by admin and now there is a less detailed topic on the subject.
http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic ... d-removed/ (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9930-jamesbarnes-thread-removed/)

[colmx]

There was a thread over on Gaythailans stating that the publisher is appaently missing:
http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic ... d-removed/ (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9930-jamesbarnes-thread-removed/)
Whist i disagree with a lot of his sentiment, i do hope for his sake that he's ok...

[Surfcrest]

.....unless you are an Ageing Sexpat, then you have much bigger concerns to worry about, namely:

- advancing age
- diminishing pension┬а
- E.D.
- exchange rates and the resulting smaller apartment thereof
- less and less Money Boys willing to cater to your myopic version of Thailand's modern Gay reality
- not being found for days, after you collapse in your studio apartment.

I guess they'll have to add "vanishing without telling your boyfriend" to the list.

Surfcrest

[roguebear]

Maybe someone should check his studio apartment...

[BonTong]

From the out website: Urgent Appeal - Our Editor in Chief is missing (http://www.out-in-thailand.com/urgent-appeal/)

Maybe too much beer for breakfast?

[Nirish guy]

As James could could be lying in a ditch somewhere up a side road in Chang Mai somewhere perhaps maybe people might curtail the quips until such times as it becomes known he's safe and in good health at least and then resume the witty digs thereafter just ?

[PeterUK]

As James could could be lying in a ditch somewhere up a side road in Chang Mai somewhere perhaps maybe people might curtail the quips until such times as it becomes known he's safe and in good health at least and then resume the witty digs thereafter just ?

Agreed :ymapplause:

[BonTong]

As James could could be lying in a ditch somewhere up a side road in Chang Mai somewhere perhaps maybe people might curtail the quips until such times as it becomes known he's safe and in good health at least and then resume the witty digs thereafter just ?
Kharma, Kharma, Kharma.

Well, word on the street, which has not been independently verified but comes from usually reliable sources, is that Mr Barnes has left the country with no plans to return. There is more but that's probably best left unsaid......

[catawampuscat]

In Pattaya, when farangs leave suddenly, it's often because the police want to have a chat with them over their
choice of Thai boys. It's a better idea than sitting in a Thai prison until one can payoff. I don't know anything about
JB but sometimes it behooves one to get out of town.

[Surfcrest]

A massive thank you for all your emails and messages regarding James BarnesтАЩ disappearance. Your concern and sympathy has been truly touching and OUT iT Magazine expresses the deepest possible thanks to you. Our readers are surely the best in the world.

We are very pleased to tell you that James Barnes has been found. A full statement will be issued shortly, so please watch this space.

It appears as though James Barnes has been found, but the Out in Thailand Webmaster is not prepared to tell the readership what happened...despite all the touching concern and sympathy.

http://www.out-in-thailand.com/missing-editor-in-chief-the-latest/

Surfcrest

It appears as though James Barnes has been found, but the Out in Thailand Webmaster is not prepared to tell the readership what happened...despite all the touching concern and sympathy.
Alzheimers is such a cruel disease ... at least, I think I remember that to be so.

[BonTong]

A massive thank you for all your emails and messages regarding James BarnesтАЩ disappearance. Your concern and sympathy has been truly touching and OUT iT Magazine expresses the deepest possible thanks to you. Our readers are surely the best in the world.

We are very pleased to tell you that James Barnes has been found. A full statement will be issued shortly, so please watch this space.

It appears as though James Barnes has been found, but the Out in Thailand Webmaster is not prepared to tell the readership what happened...despite all the touching concern and sympathy.

http://www.out-in-thailand.com/missing-editor-in-chief-the-latest/

Surfcrest
I guess Out's webmaster and James Barnes must have gone to writing school together since they both write in the same gushing, effusive style.

Or.....No, it couldn't be 8-|

[fountainhall]

Some years ago I had a correspondence with James Barnes by email. He seemed a very pleasant guy. I hope nothing has happened to him. But I do find the announcement of his disappearance and the latest teaser from the webmaster of his reappearance along with a "watch this space" quip to be the height of bad taste. If it turns out to be some sort of marketing gimmick . . . well, better not speculate more.

[Manforallseasons]

This is a hoot! Who cares.

[BonTong]

Ok, for the conspiracy theorists......it's easy enough to work out the identity of the latest web designers used by OiT, who are based in Chiang Mai and give their address as a gay owned venue that James was known to frequent. Given half of Chiang Mai knows the story, it is hard to imagine that their "webmaster" didn't know what had happened to James. :^o

[Manforallseasons]

Brings to mind the story of Lanna Lavender.

[BonTong]

Brings to mind the story of Lanna Lavender.

Ah, the memories.... Gay Parties тАУ The memory (http://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/news-archive/gay-parties-the-memory/)

[joe552]

Are us mere plebs ever going to be told the answer to this mystery?

[fountainhall]

Brings to mind the story of Lanna Lavender.
If that is the reference then the ending of the mystery sounds like it may not be pleasant.

Re Lanna Lavender, I visited once with friends and had dinner on the roof terrace. When the bill came it was wrong. It was reworked - and again it was wrong. We had to go up to the cashier and go through exactly what we had had before it was reworked again! Three attempts to get it right was not a good omen!

But we thought the Power Boys show was excellent with a lot of guys who actually danced well and looked like they were enjoying themselves - the best in the country at that time. Clearly considerable expense had been lavished on it. Yet the night we were there for the late show we saw no more than ten punters in the venue which must have had a capacity of well over 100. Another bad omen! Whilst the overall concept may have seemed a good one, as a gay hotel with its own gay massage venue as well as the Power Boys twice-nightly show and the F&B outlets it was far too big, in the wrong place and the wrong city.

[BonTong]

Chiang Mai seems to attract a certain type of gay entrepreneur. I can think of more than one case where guys who talk a good line in bull shit have opened extravagant gay businesses here that seem to good to be true.... After the inevitable implosion the stories come out that they were linked to money laundering, or a front for some other illegal activities.

[fountainhall]

Are us mere plebs ever going to be told the answer to this mystery?
It certainly does not seem to have filtered down to Bangkok!

[Oliver]

I stayed at Lavender twice with my boyfriend. Our memories are positive. I was interested to hear about Fountainhall's problem at the roof-top restaurant. It remains P.'s favourite even now, despite having eaten with me in far more expensive ones. And Power Boys was the best go-go bar I'd seen since the Golden Age (for me) of the mid-nineties. Even the show had some good parts and, unusually, cute guys. I liked the way all of the go- go dancers did a choreographed dance at the end of the session. The rooms weren't special but acceptable and the massage was good too, despite being managed by a khatoey-dragon.

It was an unusual establishment in so far as the top two or three floors were gay (as was the entertainment in the basement) and the other floors budget- straight (mainly Thai while I was there). I wondered at the time whether there were enough gay visitors to Chiang Mai to make the venture a success but was surprised and shocked by the tragic events only a couple of weeks after my second visit..

[fountainhall]

It was an unusual establishment in so far as the top two or three floors were gay (as was the entertainment in the basement) and the other floors budget- straight (mainly Thai while I was there)
I hadn't realised it was aimed at any market other than gays. Given its obvious gay accoutrements I'm surprised, although its very size would have made it extremely difficult to fill just from the gay community! I recall there were quite a number of complaints from visitors who were checked in to rooms that had not been refurbished and others where refurbishments had not been completed. I believe all were immediately changed to refurbished rooms, but that would leave not just a bad taste about the place but also a general feeling that the staff had not been properly trained. A very sad ending, though.

And still no-one has posted about the "mystery" result of James Barnes disappearance!

[Oliver]

I breakfasted in the hotel everyday. If memory serves my right, I was always the only non-Thai in a crowded restaurant. There's a large hospital next door; I wondered whether some of the guests had dealings there. In smaller, rural hospitals, some of the basic nursing is done by relatives and friends. I believe that the cheapest rooms were only about 320 bht pn.
Yes, there were complaints about the professionalism of the staff. One of the issues was that there was very little English spoken. But I found them eager to help.

[BonTong]

Leaving aside the owner's rap sheet, multiple identities and allegedly nefarious business partners, his real motives behind Lavender are still not obvious. To anyone who knows Chiang Mai, the business plan made little sense especially given it opened only a few months after red shirt thugs had shut down the Gay Pride parade claiming gays were destroying Lanna culture.

It couldn't have been more public and overt in totally the wrong place, in the wrong police district, next to Chiang Mai's top hospital and opposite an ancient and sacred corner of the moat. By contrast, most of Chiang Mai's more interesting gay venues are situated down discreet side sois in Chang Puek, for good historic reasons. Chiang Mai was not, and still isn't ready for too much "open gayness" and that's before you consider the prostitution aspects.

The renovations were superficial - paint and cheap furniture - so the investment was not as hyped. They left many enemies and creditors in the aftermath and also damaged other gay businesses in C.M. Their overall legacy has been quite negative for gay Chiang Mai, particularly gay foreign visitors, though they did provide some fun moments 8-| .


Yes, there were complaints about the professionalism of the staff.If the boss goes out partying with the staff every night and sleeps with them, it is very hard to instill respect and any professionalism. There seemed to be a culture of favoritism rather than training and discipline. They also openly poached staff from other businesses which caused some animosity.

Anyway, it all finished with another of Thailand's infamous suicides. The rumour mill generated many intriguing explanations, some more plausible than others. Who knows? :-?


I breakfasted in the hotel everyday.Getting back on topic, did it include the breakfast beer that is apparently so popular in Chiang Mai? :))

[BonTong]

Are us mere plebs ever going to be told the answer to this mystery?
It's not that big a mystery, as I understand it James has left Thailand, largely for reasons related to his health. Despite his apparent game playing, he's chosen not to make the details public so probably better to respect that he maybe wants some privacy.

My guess is "Watch this space" = if I can find some sucker to buy or run the business I'll make an announcement..... Or perhaps given the direction the magazine was taking, Out in Brighton really could be the next incarnation. :-o

[christianpfc]

Here it is (has been online since June 6, 2015):
http://www.out-in-thailand.com/personal ... es-barnes/ (http://www.out-in-thailand.com/personal-statement-from-the-editor-james-barnes/)


Personal Statement from the Editor, James Barnes

Please, please dear reader, forgive the delay in this announcement and thank you so much for all your emails, messages and support which have been of enormous succour to me at a very difficult time. As you can imagine, I am not, as they say these days, in a very good place at the moment, following a perfect storm of catastrophes during April; personal, health and business. Suddenly faced with unexpected hospital bills and a heap of other problems, it was with tremendous sadness and reluctance that I had to abandon the printed version of the magazine.

This has left me heartbroken.

However, I am determined to continue with an online magazine, updated every few days with all the regular columns and special features along with more topical stories that were, due to copy dates, impossible in print. The guides will stay, as will the awards and Twitter and Facebook will continue to grow and feed http://www.out-in-thailand.com , which under our fabulous WebmasterтАЩs dedicated direction, will see huge improvements that are already in the pipeline. Make this your homepage and letтАЩs step into the future together.

I was searching for a link to back issues of magazine as pdf and couldn't find it, I know there is/was a link.

[BonTong]

Back issues up to Jan 2014 are here: issuu.com (http://issuu.com/out-in-thailand)

[christianpfc]

Thanks for the link, you can read, but you cannot download magazines as pdf.

Download as pdf was possible from http://www.out-in-thailand.com/magazine (found this address in confirmation email of my registration, but now "Sorry, no posts were found").

June Newsletter (18.06.2015):

Hello Christian!

As you know, we've been though some big changes at OUT iT and now you GREEN GUYS can celebrate that we no longer print thousands of copies and whole forests will be saved! But all your regular columnists and special FEATURES are online. Bigger, Better and Bolder than ever before and now we are no longer constrained by print copy dates, there are more topical stories too. The gay guides with interactive maps and listings are there and we also welcome YOUR votes for the OUT iT Awards, which will be presented and announced in January.

Instead of a new issue every month, you can keep up to date at the website which will have fresh material every few days. Twitter is still there for you and our Facebook page has also had a new start with the number of fans nudging 10,000.

So we are still here for you and we'd love to hear from you too. Any stories, suggestions or comments are always welcome. Just email me: editor@out-in-thailand.com

Best wishes and see you online!

[BonTong]

Thanks for the link, you can read, but you cannot download magazines as pdf.

Yes you can, On issuu.com if you go to a magazine issue and click "share" bottom left you get several option including downloads. At least it works for me, though I haven't tried it on every issue.

Looking at their new website it's good to see so much great new content that they've written themselves, and that huge effort has clearly gone into updating their gay guides. :)) :^o I particulalry liked this article (http://www.mb.com.ph/ph-indies-in-bangkok-gay-filmfest/) .....oh, woops, sorry, wrong website.....

[bkkguy]

I particulalry liked this article (http://www.mb.com.ph/ph-indies-in-bangkok-gay-filmfest/) .....oh, woops, sorry, wrong website.....

now lets not jump to conclusions here - I am sure that like many of the articles they (re)produce OIT has obtained EXCLUSIVE rights (well for Thailand anyway) for this version of the original article (the last paragraph was missed in the copy and paste). I am sure the publisher and webmaster just assume that their sourcing of "original articles" is well understood by readers so there is no need to include attribution with the article - it just messes up the page layout and thus may lower readers' opinion of this quality (now online only) publication

I am sure James (or the Webmaster who has the byline for the article) will be happy to explain in more detail - perhaps OIT and MB both just "quoted" from the same festival press release?

bkkguy

[BonTong]

Now gone the way of the dodo?

[Smiles]

' ... They left many enemies and creditors in the aftermath and also damaged other gay businesses in C.M. ... '
I would think that that pretty much says it all. In Thailand such shenanigans rarely leave room for sugary ponderings about 'suicide'.

[Nirish guy]

Did we ever hear what DID happen to James - the last I recall he posted that he'd be posting shortly to explain his mysterious absence, did that ever happen, or perhaps I just missed it.

[BonTong]

Did we ever hear what DID happen to James - the last I recall he posted that he'd be posting shortly to explain his mysterious absence, did that ever happen, or perhaps I just missed it.

There was an announcement on their website a few months back citing hospital bills and a long sob story. It went on that the new website would be so fabulous, etc, etc..... They stopped posting articles around July and now the website is shut down completely, otherwise I'd give you a link to the article ;)

The short story seems to be James got sick and went back to the UK, apparently with no plans to return to Thailand. I wish him well.

[Nirish guy]

Thank you for the update.

[Rene]

Out in Thailand was always the worst publication in the country. It was absolutely dreadful on all counts. We can thank the gods that it is is mercifully gone, hopefully for good.

[Smiles]

Out in Thailand was always the worst publication in the country. It was absolutely dreadful on all counts. We can thank the gods that it is is mercifully gone, hopefully for good.
You could be right, I have no idea as I think I peeked into it once about 4 years ago. Didn't seem that bad if I recall.
In your mind, what specifically made it the '...the worst publication in the country ...'. You post above has 'this-is-personal' written all over it.

[christianpfc]

Out in Thailand was always the worst publication in the country. It was absolutely dreadful on all counts. We can thank the gods that it is is mercifully gone, hopefully for good.
Disagree.
The articles about gay celebrities and movies with gay contents where well written, but not my area of interest.
I loved "Ask Darika".
There was room for improvement regarding maps and gay venues listing (see thread on this subject on gaythailand).

[bkkguy]

The articles about gay celebrities and movies with gay contents where well written, but not my area of interest.
I loved "Ask Darika".
There was room for improvement regarding maps and gay venues listing (see thread on this subject on gaythailand).

so their original content (the maps and listings) needed improvement but the content not created by their staff (about gay celebs etc) was well written - surprise, surprise!

while most magazines and newspapers syndicate content, usually with obvious attribution to the original source, they were usually very vague about attribution and what reproduction rights had been negotiated to justify their claims that articles where "exclusive" when they had already been published in many other publications internationally before appearing in their magazine

then there was their policy change to no longer list or accept advertising from commercial sex venues (go-go bars, massage places etc) because their sophisticated, mostly Thai audience where not interested in such venues - and what better place to publish this than on gay forums mostly visited by mostly non(-sophisticated, non)-Thai sexpats and sex tourists!

bkkguy

[Rogie]

while most magazines and newspapers syndicate content, usually with obvious attribution to the original source, they were usually very vague about attribution and what reproduction rights had been negotiated to justify their claims that articles where "exclusive" when they had already been published in many other publications internationally before appearing in their magazine


Fair comment.

I dug out a copy - the only issue of OUT I still have - from February this year, in which there was an exclusive interview with Benedict Cumberbatch. The headline screamed EXCLUSIVE! (their capitals). Underneath, in small letters, and actually easy to miss unless you squint, it says 'By James Barnes'. I wonder why it's not made more prominent, in bold type perhaps...

Being a trusting soul, I would have played along with this claim, however digging around with a search engine I came across an article in another place (dated 29 Dec 2014) which matched some of OUT's Cumberbatch exclusive word for word. About half the OUT article was identical to some, but not all, of this other one, so the most likely explanation is the other half that doesn't match came from a similar unattributed source. So in this case I conclude OUT have simply copied material word for word from at least one, and more likely two or three, other publication(s).

About half the OUT article was identical to some, but not all, of this other one, so the most likely explanation is the other half that doesn't match came from a similar unattributed source. So in this case I conclude OUT have simply copied material word for word from at least one, and more likely two or three, other publication(s).
Clearly this thread should be re-badged as "the publisher of Out magazine tells it as others see it".

[bruce_nyc]

I just read this whole saga from beginning to end, for the first time.

What an asswipe.

I do hope his health has improved, and I wish him all the best.

But I also hope he stays as far away from any type of writing, or publishing, or plagiarizing, as possible..... for all of our sakes.

His "amazing webmaster" ( account anyway ) wrote some unbelievably offensive things on gaythailand. I'm pretty sure I've never seen any words so offensive written on any of these forums before.