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lonelywombat
January 9th, 2015, 11:46
Vietnam Abolishes Same-Sex Marriage Ban, Taking Lead in Gay Rights
By John Boudreau and Nguyen Dieu Tu Uyen Jan 8, 2015 5:13 PM ET - Comments Email Print

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Vietnam taking the lead in gay rights in Southeast Asia by abolishing a ban on same-sex marriage has medical doctor Thuan Nguyen planning a wedding ceremony with his boyfriend of two years.

тАЬI am ready to have a wedding,тАЭ he said. тАЬMany, many young people in love are optimistic about the acceptance of gay weddings.тАЭ

The revised law, while not officially recognizing same-sex marriage, places the communist country at the forefront of countries in Asia becoming more accepting of gay people. The National AssemblyтАЩs move is expected to attract more lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender travelers and boost VietnamтАЩs $9 billion tourism industry.

тАЬThis makes Vietnam a leader in Asia,тАЭ Jamie Gillen, a researcher of culture geography at National University of Singapore, said by phone. тАЬSingapore just reaffirmed its ban on homosexual behaviors. Vietnam is trying to pitch itself as a tolerant and safe country.тАЭ

Abolished Fines

VietnamтАЩs new marriage law, which went into effect New YearтАЩs Day, abolished regulations that тАЬprohibit marriage between people of the same sex.тАЭ

Same-sex marriages can now take place, though the government does not recognize them or provide legal protections in cases of disputes. The government abolished fines that were imposed on homosexual weddings in 2013.

No other country in Southeast Asia has taken as big a step toward accepting same-sex marriage as Vietnam, Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch, said by phone.

In Thailand, efforts to address same-sex laws have stalled since the ascent of the military government in May, while Cambodia, Burma and Laos have not put the issue on its legislative agenda, he said. The Philippines is considering laws to ban same-sex marriage. Indonesia and Malaysia have тАЬentrenched discriminatory viewsтАЭ against homosexuals and in Brunei, тАЬthe new penal code sets out that those seeking to be involved in gay marriage could face whippings and long prison sentences,тАЭ Robertson said.

Foreign Visitors

Vietnam, which looks to boost an economy that has expanded less than 7 percent annually for seven consecutive years, reduced visa requirements for seven Asian and European countries Jan. 1 to make the country more attractive to overseas tourists. Foreign visitors to Vietnam are estimated to have increased to 7.9 million last year from 7.6 million in 2013, according to government data.

тАЬIt is getting out that Vietnam is a more friendly placeтАЭ toward gay people, John Goss, director of Utopia Asia, a gay resources website based in Bangkok, said by phone. тАЬGays in Vietnam are certainly becoming more open. It has not ruffled any feathers as it might in some other countries in Southeast Asia. It will have a positive effect on tourism.тАЭ

Vietnam is already seeing an influx of LGBT travelers from abroad, said Nguyen Anh Tuan, owner of Gay Hanoi Tours, which has seen bookings increase by as much as 50 percent in the past year.

The new law тАЬindicates to everyone that Vietnam is opening up more and welcomes everyone,тАЭ he said. тАЬVietnam is changing very quickly. There are bigger gay communities and gay events.тАЭ

Tourism Impact

Twenty-nine percent of the LGBT community in the U.S. take at least five leisure trips a year, according to research by San Francisco-based Community Marketing Inc. The community generates $100 billion in tourism business in the U.S. alone and many make overseas trips, according to the company. Forty-eight percent of gay households have annual incomes of at least $75,000, it said in its 2014 tourism survey.

тАЬMany of them have double incomes,тАЭ Goss said. тАЬGay travel tends to be recession-proof.тАЭ

VietnamтАЩs lawmakers, who initially considered recognizing same-sex marriage, believed the country wasnтАЩt ready for it, said Luong The Huy, legal officer at the Institute for Studies of Society, Economy and Environment, known as ISEE, a Vietnamese non-governmental organization that advocates for minority rights.

тАЬThey say the society in Vietnam needs some time to accept gay and lesbians in general,тАЭ he said. The revision in the law signals to the country that тАЬsame-sex marriage is not harmful to society,тАЭ Huy said.

Vietnam, which has a population of about 90 million, has at least 1.65 million LGBT citizens ages 15 to 59, according to the Hanoi-based ISEE.

Vietnamese Perceptions

Vietnamese perceptions of gays may also change with the December arrival of U.S. ambassador to Vietnam, Ted Osius, along with his husband, Clayton Bond, and their son, Huy said.

тАЬHe promotes a very good image of a very successful person who is gay,тАЭ Huy said. тАЬWe could get more support from civil society in Vietnam because the American ambassador is gay.тАЭ

VietnamтАЩs leaders allow gay organizations to be established and last year permitted a gay pride bicycle ride with rainbow flags in Hanoi, even as the government cracks down on political dissent, Robertson said. More than 150 Vietnamese dissidents are in detention, according to Human Rights Watch.

Granting gays more freedoms is a way to blunt a bad human rights record, Joerg Wischermann, a researcher at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies, said in an e-mail.

Nonetheless, VietnamтАЩs marriage law revision тАЬis something extraordinary in a region in which many countries have deeply conservative societies,тАЭ he said.

Nguyen, 43, the Hanoi doctor, said gay Vietnamese want to push for the legal rights marriage confers on citizens. When a gay couple ends their relationship, or if one were to die, there is no legal framework for how to split assets, he said.

тАЬThe government doesnтАЩt have problems with equal marriage,тАЭ Nguyen said. тАЬIt doesnтАЩt have to do with the political system. This is determined by public opinion.тАЭ

To contact the reporters on this story: John Boudreau in Hanoi at jboudreau3@bloomberg.net; Nguyen Dieu Tu Uyen in Hanoi at uyen1@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: K. Oanh Ha at oha3@bloomberg.net Lars Klemming

bobsaigon2
January 9th, 2015, 21:14
Yes, here in Vietnam same-sex couples can have a traditional /cultural Vietnamese wedding celebration and can live together on the same household registration, but as yet there is no provision in the law for them to actually register their marriage. Thus, as far as immigration to some other country is concerned, they are still not legally married.

Having returned from Cambodia last week, I am left with the impression that it will be a very long time indeed before a same-sex couple can actually register a marriage in that country.

Thailand? I can't imagine the generals ever allowing such a non-traditional relationship to be regularized, so it will have to wait until a more enlightened regime assumes power. Not holding my breath on that one.

fountainhall
January 10th, 2015, 12:18
Thailand? I can't imagine the generals ever allowing such a non-traditional relationship to be regularized, so it will have to wait until a more enlightened regime assumes power. Not holding my breath on that one.
It will be a long time I fear. Thai society in general is far too conservative to countenance gay marriage.

scottish-guy
January 11th, 2015, 23:30
A couple of years ago an announcement was made by sources close to the Vietnamese leadership (and publicised here to much scepticism) that same-sex marriage was to be legalised in Vietnam - but it seems that the Govt got cold feet and dropped the proposals from the planned reforms of the Vietnamese marriage laws. I even read somewhere that the reforms which DID go through have actually set back the prospect of same-sex marriage insofar as it will be a very long time before the marriage laws are looked at again.

Obviously Bobsaigon is much closer to the situation than most of us - and it seems he sees no sign of anything changing soon.

BTW in Scotland we designate SSM as "Equal Marriage" - which I think is a far better term

January 12th, 2015, 12:39
I'm with the (gay) historian David Starkey, himself in a long-term same-sex relationship, who is on record describing marriage as "part of the baggage of heterosexual society" and opposing 'gay marriage' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Starkey).

Interestingly the BBC is allowing an anti-gay marriage sentiment to be voiced in the current series of Last Tango in Halifax, where a mother is sniffily dismissive of the concept of "marriage" for her lesbian daughter and the daughter's pregnant partner, refusing to attend the ceremony. Given that this is the BBC and it's prime time soap, there'll be some ghastly reconciliation by the end of the series where the mother will realise the error of her ways.

scottish-guy
January 12th, 2015, 16:12
Hmmmm, the trouble in being "with" David Starkey is that he is an obnoxious little prick.

So watch out Kommie, we wouldn't want it to rub off on you.

:))

January 13th, 2015, 10:50
Hmmmm, the trouble in being "with" David Starkey is that he is an obnoxious little prick. So watch out Kommie, we wouldn't want it to rub off on you. I shall wear it as a badge of honour. You and a447, to name but 0.75 people and a fox terrier, suffer from the delusion that I care what people think of me and whether they approve or disapprove of me.

scottish-guy
January 15th, 2015, 03:32
I spoke to that fox terrier only yesterday.
His name is Colin.
When I mentioned your name he just swore.

January 15th, 2015, 06:44
I spoke to that fox terrier only yesterday.
His name is Colin.
When I mentioned your name he just swore.I'm guessing he's not a Scottish dog else his name would be Lassie

a447
January 15th, 2015, 12:29
You and a447, to name but 0.75 people and a fox terrier, suffer from the delusion that I care what people think of me and whether they approve or disapprove of me.

Really? You don't care?

Your barrage of obsessive puerile posts about me ever since you very publicly and ignominiously shot yourself in the foot over Bonny Massage prove the exact opposite. And my recounting your Hugo Chavez clanger and your factual error regarding the cost of keeping people incarcerated in Australia obviously haven't helped.

If you really didn't care, then you wouldn't continuously reply; nor would you waste your time running around looking for childish YouTube videos. I would have thought you'd have better things to do with your time.

You've acted like a jilted lover (not that a miserable, humourless old cunt like yourself would ever find himself in such a position.)

Time to accept the embarrassment and move on.

January 15th, 2015, 14:45
Your barrage of posts about me ...With more to come. :ymdevil: