My first time experiences in Pattaya

[AsDaRa]

Was for the first time in Pattaya (Boyztown) and it is amazing. A truly gay paradise.
Nice, cute, friendly boys who seem really to like to have sex with you.
Of course I am no idiot, they do it for the money, I know. I know not many 20 year old boys truly lust for a 50 year old man. But yet they seem to enjoy it. Or they are very good actors. Even when payment has happened, they still hug you, kiss you. A European escort would never do that. After the sex he takes his money and goes away. Thai boys are different.

I also went to Sunee Plaza. There I had some worrying experience. Some who approached me appeared not of legal age. They didn't want to show id. However I saw men who clearly flirted with them and I think more happened between them. These men take huge risks. I don't understand this. I guess they assume they can bribe the police. They were very open. One Thai who sees it and doesn't trust it and such a man can be arrested. That was the only thing I didn't understand. That this happened so openly.

Jomtien beach was almost empty. Also I was in Gogo bars who only had me or one other customer. I know October isn't high season, but does this whole gay scene in Pattaya survive on the months of November/December alone? I can't believe they make a lot of profit in October.

I liked it so much that I will be back in December. Too bad I am not yet a pensioner. I would live there permenantly.

One question: in the high season months there are then many more tourists. So a lot of competition is there then, I suspect, between tourists to get the nicest boys. I guess you need to be at 8 pm at a Gogo bar or else the nicest boys are picked already by someone else and you are too late?

[egel]

I guess you need to be at 8 pm at a Gogo bar or else the nicest boys are picked already by someone else and you are too late?
Correct. Unless they have already had an "Off", and are back for further business.

[AsDaRa]

I guess you need to be at 8 pm at a Gogo bar or else the nicest boys are picked already by someone else and you are too late?
Correct. Unless they have already had an "Off", and are back for further business.

Are in these high season months fights among the tourists over some boys? Like "I saw him first, he is mine".
I mean if there are really so many more men in Nov/Dec and only a few boys more, than there must be a huge competition for the cutest ones
I had now to pay 1500 baht for a boy. In Nov/Dec prizes are I assume much higher? Because there is more demand?

[anonone]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

[AsDaRa]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

Yes I know Thai boys tend to look younger than they are, but I got suspicious when he didn't show ID. He said he didn't have it and next day he also didn't have it.
He proposed to rent a room in Sunee Plaza (there seems to be a place there were you can rent a room for 1 hour) and he said they don't ask for ID card (like hotels do). Now that were for me warning signs enough.
Also Sunee wasn't crowded at all in the evening, unlike Boyztown.

[thaiguest]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

I'm bewildered too re the reference to an underage scene in Sunnee. To be perfectly frank I smell a rat here.
There is little or no underage problem in Sunnee now nor has there been for the past few years .
There are however some (slightly) underage boys working as official off boys in Boystown, believe it or not. Not that I see anything wrong with having consentual sex with a 17 year old young man but it can get you in trouble with the law.
Of course there are straight bars off Theppassit Rd and elsewhere where girls as young as 14 (and younger) are available for the straight rich and powerful but this is all hush-hush.

[anonone]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

Yes I know Thai boys tend to look younger than they are, but I got suspicious when he didn't show ID. He said he didn't have it and next day he also didn't have it.
He proposed to rent a room in Sunee Plaza (there seems to be a place there were you can rent a room for 1 hour) and he said they don't ask for ID card (like hotels do). Now that were for me warning signs enough.
Also Sunee wasn't crowded at all in the evening, unlike Boyztown.

Well, I wouldn't take a chance with someone that did not have ID either, but that is a leap to then assume that means underage.

[dab69]

hell I was worried about this one guy and his ID said 25 yo. The hotel checked.
No ID - probably illegal immigrant rather than too young.
But there is a slight chance illegal immigrant could get you into trouble for harboring in your room.

[christianpfc]

Are in these high season months fights among the tourists over some boys? Like "I saw him first, he is mine".

I had now to pay 1500 baht for a boy. In Nov/Dec prizes are I assume much higher? Because there is more demand?

Even in high season, you don't have to come early or fight over boys. It's a buyer's market throughout the year.

Boys from some bars in Boyztown (A-Bomb, Toy Boys, Funny Boys, BoyzBoyzBoyz as far as I know) now want 1500 for short time, everywhere else 1000. Prices do not vary with season.

[AsDaRa]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

I
There are however some (slightly) underage boys working as official off boys in Boystown, believe it or not. Not that I see anything wrong with having consentual sex with a 17 year old young man but it can get you in trouble with the law.

I didn't see any illegal boys in Boyztown. It is also impossible to get them into a hotel. Because I noticed hotel clearly checks id.
That boy which I think was illegal in Sunnee can be legal I know. But why didn't he have ID? Is an ID card too expensive for some Thais? He said he was 19, but could easy pass for 15/16. So without ID I didn't have the guts to take him for a date.

[LoveThailand]

You were right not to, AsDaRa.
Even though Sunee is believed to have cleaned their act, it has been notorious for underage offerings.

[thaiguest]

You were right not to, AsDaRa.
Even though Sunee is believed to have cleaned their act, it has been notorious for underage offerings.

Take a second look at your statement and you may agree that a once bad situation doesn't preclude a present time improvement. Borneo has been notorious for cannibalism but I think it's quite safe to walk around there now without a great fear of being eaten.

[thaiguest]

AsDaRA: Thanks for sharing your perceptions. I am a bit bewildered by your comments regarding Sunee. I am a frequent visitor there and have many friends that work there. Recently, I have not seen anything remotely suspicious in the realm of needing to check IDs. Some of the guys may look young (Bless their lucky Thai genes), but I strongly doubt they are underage...especially if they are working at one of the bars.
Obviously it is prudent to check IDs if you are at all unsure, but this really hasn't been a big problem of late.

I don't perceive any higher costs during November/December, and there seems to be plenty of companionship choice if needed.

I
There are however some (slightly) underage boys working as official off boys in Boystown, believe it or not. Not that I see anything wrong with having consentual sex with a 17 year old young man but it can get you in trouble with the law.

I didn't see any illegal boys in Boyztown. It is also impossible to get them into a hotel. Because I noticed hotel clearly checks id.
That boy which I think was illegal in Sunnee can be legal I know. But why didn't he have ID? Is an ID card too expensive for some Thais? He said he was 19, but could easy pass for 15/16. So without ID I didn't have the guts to take him for a date.

I applaud your caution and it is wise to keep it up.
That YOU didn't see any illegal boys in Boyztown doesn't in anyway mean that there are no illegal boys in Boyztown. The hotel check only applies to people who bring boys back to hotels. Many customers stay in private apartments and houses.
Sure you met a boy in Sunnee without ID and you want to know why. I could come up with a thousand anecdotal scenarios from falangs with no passports to siamese cats with no tails and I'm damned if anyone knows why.

[lego]

People are always telling us that Sunee has been cleaned up and it's all a thing of the past and 100% clean now - until the next raid happens. That has been going on for years.
These Sunee apologists cannot be taken lightly. I wouldn't go as far as saying they're all into underage, but a sickening tolerance of the practice seems to be prevalent among them.

[AsDaRa]

That YOU didn't see any illegal boys in Boyztown doesn't in anyway mean that there are no illegal boys in Boyztown.

True. But imagine the risk a Gogo bar owner takes when he allows underage boys to work there. Why risk everything?

[thaiguest]

That YOU didn't see any illegal boys in Boyztown doesn't in anyway mean that there are no illegal boys in Boyztown.

True. But imagine the risk a Gogo bar owner takes when he allows underage boys to work there. Why risk everything?

Beats me too.
But mine is not to know the reason why, only to pay up and WAI.
Boyztown is not Tinseltown- not a place where you tip-toe through the tulips- but is a place run by hardnose business people who have gotten up to some nasty sh-t in the not-so-distant past but unlike Sunnee's murky past that's never to be mentioned.
When you DO question the MO of the place and try to bring a bit of balance into the Boyztown V Sunnee debate you get guys like Lego coming along with below-the-belt comments such as in his post above the purpose of which is to intimidate.
But he won't intimidate me and if he wants to re-start a rake-up of Boyztown sleeze we're all up for it but the mamassan moderator here won't be I guarantee you.

[lego]

When you DO question the MO of the place and try to bring a bit of balance into the Boyztown V Sunnee debate you get guys like Lego coming along with below-the-belt comments such as in his post above the purpose of which is to intimidate.
That's nonsense plain and simple. My goal isn't to intimidate these creeps, it's just no secret that I loathe them for the reason I've mentioned. I also made no comparison with Boyztown whatsoever, so if you think you can drag me into a rerun of your silly little Boyztown vs. Sunee discussion, you're much mistaken - anyone sugarcoating past or present underage activity in Boyztown would get EXACTLY the same reaction from me.

[thaiguest]

When you DO question the MO of the place and try to bring a bit of balance into the Boyztown V Sunnee debate you get guys like Lego coming along with below-the-belt comments such as in his post above the purpose of which is to intimidate.
That's nonsense plain and simple. My goal isn't to intimidate these creeps, it's just no secret that I loathe them for the reason I've mentioned. I also made no comparison with Boyztown whatsoever, so if you think you can drag me into a rerun of your silly little Boyztown vs. Sunee discussion, you're much mistaken - anyone sugarcoating past or present underage activity in Boyztown would get EXACTLY the same reaction from me.

I'm all for intimidating these creeps too. But what makes you thing you can do so on this forum-do they post here or what?

There's nothing silly about the SunneeVBoyztown thing my friend-it's strictly business. A cleaned up Sunnee is a bigger threat to the other location that a sleezy one. The people I hang around with in Sunnee go there for the cheap beer, the friendly atmosphere and the handsome boys. I sometimes go to Boyztown for the handsome boys and the.....I can't think of any other reason, sorry.

[Scott]

Even though Sunee is believed to have cleaned their act, it has been notorious for underage offerings.

Those "offerings" are still available, unfortunately. Just two nights ago a friend offed a boy who claimed to be 19 but turned out to be 16. A sharp hotel receptionist spotted his fake ID.

[goji]

A sharp hotel receptionist spotted his fake ID.
Identifying the offending bar would be good, so we can all avoid it or take extra care checking the IDs.
If the board owners don't like the libel risk, perhaps a subtle hint would be a good alternative.

[thaiguest]

Even though Sunee is believed to have cleaned their act, it has been notorious for underage offerings.

Those "offerings" are still available, unfortunately. Just two nights ago a friend offed a boy who claimed to be 19 but turned out to be 16. A sharp hotel receptionist spotted his fake ID.

Suspect story to start with. The world is full of "my friend" anecdotes.
Perhaps a "sharp" receptionist but a pretty dumb friend if he can't tell a 16 yr old from a 19 yr old.

[gaymandenmark]

Even though Sunee is believed to have cleaned their act, it has been notorious for underage offerings.

Those "offerings" are still available, unfortunately. Just two nights ago a friend offed a boy who claimed to be 19 but turned out to be 16. A sharp hotel receptionist spotted his fake ID.

Suspect story to start with. The world is full of "my friend" anecdotes.
Perhaps a "sharp" receptionist but a pretty dumb friend if he can't tell a 16 yr old from a 19 yr old.

+1, but from where was he offed? and was he 16 yr old on the fake ID? and does the friend has no eyes in his head?

[Halfhansum]

I have spent quite a lot of time in Sunee over the last
couple of weeks, and have not seen anyone, even remotely suspicious of being underage.

[thaiguest]

A sharp hotel receptionist spotted his fake ID.
Identifying the offending bar would be good, so we can all avoid it or take extra care checking the IDs.
If the board owners don't like the libel risk, perhaps a subtle hint would be a good alternative.

Mr Gogi you're correct-even a subtle hint might save the rest of us from the consequences of moral and actual myopia. It's my yet unfullfilled desire to join in perpetuity the saintly flock of this forum on the strait and narrow path to perfection.

But there can be no libel risk if the story is true as the bar acted very egregiously passing off a 16 yr old as a 19 yr old on a FAKE id.

Perhaps the "sharp" receptionist spiked this "friend's" wishfull thinking. Nay, that's unfair comment and I withdraw it forthwith-no friend of the SGT forum moral police could possibly harbor such thoughts and desires.

Let's be charitable and settle for the "friend" being half blind, stupid and/or drunk. or (perish the thought!) that it never happened.

Identifying the offending bar would be good, so we can all avoid it or take extra care checking the IDs.Indeed, many of us demand to know its name ... so we can stay well away, you understand.

[Butterball_Bruce]

Many of these young Thai men do look younger than their age, sometimes as much as ten years younger. Just the other day I was talking to a tall, handsome athletic waiter at one of my favorite Thai restaurants. I thought he was in his early twenties but he told me he was 17 and was working at the restaurant while school was out.

A 20-year-old Thai guy can look 15 if walking next to a 55-year-old farang. It's all relative. I don't think naming the bar would be a good idea - some closet pedos may actually be looking to patronize the bar under the pretext of naming and shaming it. I don't really see a problem here - Scott's friend was saved by an alert by front desk guy and we should hope there are more of those around instead of attacking the unsuspecting friend for offing the boy and Scott for telling the story. These kind of personal attacks would never be allowed on the Gaybutton board.

I don't think naming the bar would be a good idea - some closet pedos may actually be looking to patronize the bar under the pretext of naming and shaming it.No! You reckon? Surely not?!
These kind of personal attacks would never be allowed on the Gaybutton boardAnd that's why it's the exciting and vibrant community that puts SGT to shame.

[thaiguest]

I have spent quite a lot of time in Sunee over the last
couple of weeks, and have not seen anyone, even remotely suspicious of being underage.

My experience also.

But you may be puzzled by all the vitriol in the various posts on this topic. Let me give you a brief thumbnail analysis of posters here as my final offering;

Group 1
Regular guys who wish to have an honest debate.
Group 2
People with a vested interest due to being involved in some way with a rival location. As Sunnee declines/gets bought out by Arabs you'll find them bad-mouthing Jomtien Complex more and more- watch this space.
Group 3
The trapped. Gay men trapped in farangland in fake marriages whose wives no longer buy the 'going to Thailand to play golf or to ski' excuse. (Spending the Kids' Inheritance) These guys can be very bitter and of course are out of touch with the real situation here now.
Group 4
The Barred.
Barred from Thailand due to bad behaviour such as fraud, working, or perhaps even sexual misbehaviour. The guys can be VERY bitter and often "doth protest too much".
Group 5
The Broke
The people who burned the candle at both ends and now can no longer afford to join the rest of us here. This probably forms the largest group of nasties 'cos they blame the rest of us for their reduced station. They're the forum experts on everything Thai despite the fact that they haven't been here for years. A poster has suggested that Gay Button is more vibrant that SGT because personal insult is banned there. Not so. If it's more vibrant than here it's becasuse they don't have as many foreign based members as this forum.
Group 6
The Incapacitated.
These are the unfortunates who, due to illness or incapacitation, are stuck in Farangland. They're often depressed and have a lot of time on their hands thus can be pretty bitter in their postings. Due allowance should be made for them as they cannot help being like this.

That's me finished with this topic. Bye y'all.

[Scott]

But you may be puzzled by all the vitriol in the various posts on this topic. Let me give you a brief thumbnail analysis of posters here as my final offering;

Group 2
People with a vested interest due to being involved in some way... The guys can be VERY bitter and often "doth protest too much".


Thank you for coming clean, Thaiguest. Which bar in Sunee belongs to you and can we assume that all the staff are of legal age?

[egel]

Thai men do look younger than their age, sometimes as much as ten years younger. Just the other day I was talking to a tall, handsome athletic waiter at one of my favorite Thai restaurants. I thought he was in his early twenties but he told me he was 17 and was working at the restaurant while school was out.


Err..., sorry????


my yet unfullfilled desire to join in perpetuity the saintly flock of this forum on the strait and narrow path to perfection.


Who is straight on this forum? Please tell.

[petr55]

Many of these young Thai men do look younger than their age, sometimes as much as ten years younger. Just the other day I was talking to a tall, handsome athletic waiter at one of my favorite Thai restaurants. I thought he was in his early twenties but he told me he was 17 and was working at the restaurant while school was out.

A 20-year-old Thai guy can look 15 if walking next to a 55-year-old farang. It's all relative. I don't think naming the bar would be a good idea - some closet pedos may actually be looking to patronize the bar under the pretext of naming and shaming it. I don't really see a problem here - Scott's friend was saved by an alert by front desk guy and we should hope there are more of those around instead of attacking the unsuspecting friend for offing the boy and Scott for telling the story. These kind of personal attacks would never be allowed on the Gaybutton board.

That happened to me.
I off'ed a twinkish guy from Funny Boy who looked like 25.
Later when he showed me his id, he was actually THIRTY FIVE !!!

These guys do look younger than their age.