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christianpfc
December 3rd, 2013, 14:26
Something positive for a change

During the last two months, my boy situation has considerably improved. Most of my last posts about dating Thai boys were negative, so let me sum up positive experiences.

We have P on Koh Si Chang whom I met on Camfrog first and visited more than five times on Koh Si Chang. On my first visit, I took ferry from Sri Ratcha to Koh Si Chang while he took ferry from Koh Si Chang to meet me in Sri Ratcha. So he sent a relative to pick me up at the pier. Apart from that, everything smooth. I donтАЩt plan anything, just tag along and was happy most of the time. When he plays volleyball about two hours in the evening, I use that time for running. (I donтАЩt like ball games, unless they are played by cute boys shirtless, which was not there case here the one occasion I checked.) On my first visit, I wanted to give him 1000 Baht, he refused to take it. On subsequent visits, he asked for money only twice, I gave him 1000 Baht each. Last time he announced he would come to Bangkok for a training course, I was hoping I could return the hospitality by inviting him to a place of his choice, but something went wrong with his trip (see retard thread; I will try to elucidate next time we meet by innocently asking тАЬHow was your trip to Bangkok?тАЭ. Sex is so-so, everything else is fine. Long may it continue!

Utterly boring, isnтАЩt it? But wait, it gets worse.

Then we have G, moneyboy in Pattaya. First encounter September last year was promising, then he changed bar so we lost contact for a while and since we met again a few months ago it stayed on high level. I see him every time I go to Pattaya. I tried to involve him in other activities than sex, but no interest so far. If he rather sleeps or watches TV or whatever than going on a sightseeing trip with me, so be it. I lost too much time in the past trying to tag boys along. There is one minor problem: he seems to like sex at night (that is 2 or 3 am, when I would rather sleep), whereas I prefer sex in the morning for two reasons. One is that I can fit in another boy in the night before, another one is that our bodies and mattress and duvet are in thermal equilibrium after sleeping the full night in the same bed. I prefer this very much to just-out-of-the-shower-still-wet-and-cold. And he sleeps long (last time we got up at 2 pm, no sex) whereas I would get up around 10 am and then have another roll in the bed. Nonetheless: long may it continue!

He has now a contender whose wake-sleep pattern matches mine better. In addition, there are several straight boys in Pattaya who I met more than once or would like to meet again and who are just a phone call/a short ride/a drink and an off fee away.

If you havenтАЩt fallen asleep from boredom over so much harmony, here is another one.

And a boy D whom I met in Babylon Sauna on 21.09.2013. He doesnтАЩt speak English, we communicate only in Thai. After the sauna encounter, we met every week except two. I still donтАЩt know exactly where around Sanam Luang he works and what time he finishes work at night (between 10 and midnight). I once managed to have him come to my place by taxi and failed twice. Maybe I have to continue picking him up at Sanam Luang and then either go back to my place if he can stay over night or go to a short time hotel in the area. There are worse scenarios to spend and evening than going to Khao San for dinner and a stroll, then checking whatтАЩs going on around Saranrom (but I canтАЩt take anyone, even if there are some who qualify!) and then go back to my place. Apart from the failed taxi attempts, efficient communication in Thai and acceptable delays.

(And for those who think I am too cheap: the first time we meet in Babylon Sauna, I didn't give him money. All following meetings 500 Baht "for taxi when you come to visit me next time" just to smooth things up. If 500 Baht makes a difference between "see you tonight" and "I'm too tired, it's too late, it's raining, I'm hungry, too far, too dark, too sunny, too cold, too hot, too windy...the list can go on" I will happily give him 500 each time we meet. And it works, he calls me regularly.)

Update: He is as much working at the night market as I am going for a stroll around Saran rom. (I.e. he is working at Saranrom and I am looking for other boys because there is more talent and I like variety.)

He is a total bottom. But before we get into fucking, I let him writhe of pleasure under my hands and mouth until he begs to be fucked. I have to get up at 8 because I start work at 9, whereas he starts work in the afternoon. The first over night stand he got up with me, the second I told him he can stay in bed and I came back at lunchtime and we had lunch together. I think throwing someone out of bed at 8 am after a one-night stand is a human right violation. That opens a possibility to realize a dream I had long time: sex during lunchbreak! He is untalkative (but setting up a meeting by phone works fine), and when he says something itтАЩs in low voice and difficult to understand. Non-verbal communication is extremely confusing, in the sauna I couldnтАЩt figure out if he was walking away or wanted me to follow to a room, so I left him alone and we met again later by chance. No dropped phone calls, efficient communication, acceptable delays. Long may it continue! With hindsight, I might have dismissed him if there had been better light. I have seen cuter faces, but body shape is very fine and in the sauna with shorts it looked even better.

Another recent encounter (the first encounter in real life that lead to sex!) is very promising, we met twice so far, and I am very optimistic that we can meet every week from now on. I would even go as far as to say that expecting any further improvement (i.e. finding a boy that is a better match to my preferences) is unrealistic.

Five boys I meet regularly for sex (Koh Si Chang every two or three months, Pattaya every month, Bangkok every week) might be a poor yield for four years of traveling to Thailand and one year of living in Bangkok, but better than nothing. Update: with two boys in Bangkok that I meet every week, and occasionally going out alone or meeting friends for non-sexual activities, there is no time for more boys and as stated elsewhere I am in a state of fatigue/satiation/desensibilisation. Having sex twice per week is enough.

If you think this thread is too much focused on sex, other reasons why I come to Thailand have been discussed elsewhere.

If you think there is not enough sex, read on. My two favorite encounters with moneyboys.

About two years ago, I was in Night Boys (Silom Soi 6, closed over a year ago), last customer. All boys were standing with their front to me, there were two cute ones, but I am a big fan of backsides (spine, shoulder, nape of the neck), so I was hoping they would turn around. They didnтАЩt. I offed one (no tattoos on his back, what a luck). After showering (separately), we went to bed and he fell over me like a hungry animal over its prey. Finally he lied on top of me, his erect cock between his and my abdomen, and at the same time allowing me to access his back, shoulders and butt with my hands and feel his hairless balls and rub my dick on his warm, soft, brown, hairless thighs. Lovely! Unfortunately, Night Boys closed before I could come back and all I have is a name and home province. Should have taken a picuture. (He had no phone, but invited me to meet again the following day to buy him one.). A year ago, staff at Super A remembered him (or just lied to me), said he would be working at Screw Boys, but I couldnтАЩt find him there.

Another encounter was at X-Boys in September 2012. The boy I fancied did look completely uninterested, didnтАЩt make eye contact with me nor with anyone else. I was pondering long time that this canтАЩt end well, but when he stood to arrange his underwear, exactly like in this picture (jaafar used it as avatar), he won me over.

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j412/christianpfc/underwear%20and%20swimmwear/528101_407962139260763_979596098_n_zps966c1c1f.jpg (http://s1084.photobucket.com/user/christianpfc/media/underwear%20and%20swimmwear/528101_407962139260763_979596098_n_zps966c1c1f.jpg .html)

I had to invite him for a drink. Things turned better, good English, great smile, so I offed him. Skip details of activities in my room. When I went to X-Boys again, he was gone. After the usual lies from mamasan (he was here yesterday, he will come again tomorrow), I finally got a lead from a waiter who knows him.

PeterUK
December 3rd, 2013, 16:24
Finally he lied on top of me...

This is a common experience in Thailand but not, I think, the meaning you intended. I think you meant 'lay' - if he 'lied' on top of you he was telling lies. Your English is generally excellent and I point this out merely because I think you will welcome it. Glad to hear that your private (well, semi-private) life is improving.

Smiles
December 3rd, 2013, 17:48
Finding something bizarre ~ or more rightly, bizarrely anal ~ amid Christian's long posts has become a minor hobby of mine nowadays.
After the first lengthy paragraph I began to think Christian might well be getting rather bourgeois.
But then ... there it was, finally, lovingly, the 'coup de sentence' grabbed me quite roughly by all three of my testicles:
" ... another one is that our bodies and mattress and duvet are in thermal equilibrium after sleeping the full night in the same bed. I prefer this very much ... "
Thank you Christian!

a447
December 3rd, 2013, 17:50
Christian, the guys in your photo......er....sehen sehr Jung aus......

adman5000
December 3rd, 2013, 19:18
Thanks for the post Christian. I am sure "the hunt" is a big part of the enjoyment and also provides excellent stories. You are very lucky to be located in Thailand where you can do this so easily. The only thing missing is the code ShamelessMack used to use for describing body types. It was worthy of a patent. I think it would fit your style very well and add humor and useful detail.

christianpfc
December 4th, 2013, 14:49
Thank you, PeterUK. I have read about the difference in one of the varies books about the intricacies of the English Ianguage I have been reading over the last few years. But when I make a post between rushing from one boy to the next, I don't have time to triple check. For those interested in the details, here is a link:

http://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/cw-lie-lay.htm

I remember shamelessmack's codes for body styles and body hair, unfortunately I didn't save it, and now it's gone. Yeah, it would be great if we all could use this code and report: boy number x in y bar is a q3h5t9m1 and that would get jellybean drooling over body hair and I would scream "yuck!" without having to go to take a look.

Side note: after four years of dating only in gay venues and gay websites, two weeks ago the first encounter in real life (see op) and yesterday the first encounter by introduction through a friend.

francois
December 5th, 2013, 06:06
[quote="christianpfc"]Thank you, PeterUK. I have read about the difference in one of the varies books about the intricacies of the English Ianguage I have been reading over the last few years. [quote]

Lie, lay, lain, etc is confusing however as long as you understand laid that's what counts.

christianpfc
December 6th, 2013, 10:53
While nuts, balls, eggs seem to be used in many languages as synonyms for testicles, it took me months when I was living in England to understand what "get laid" means and again months to understand what "give head" means.

christianpfc
January 2nd, 2014, 10:09
ItтАЩs getting better (December 2013)

In August to November 2013 I made a few post that very pretty negative. These days are overcome.

In Pattaya the choice is getting bigger and bigger. It would take me two weeks to entertain all boys I know, and then I could just go into a bar to find more.

I have nothing running in Soi Twilight, too expensive and no need to. Saranrom is a hit 2 out of 3 visits.

The first ten (estimated) visits to Saunas (January to August 2013) were unsuccessful. I was about to give up on gay saunas, if you go ten times, and sometimes there is no-one to my taste at all, sometimes there are one or two, but they arenтАЩt interested, you are in the wrong place. But on the following five visits (September to December), I met three boys in different saunas, we exchanged phone numbers and met again in my room.

I have a Dton who is top and a Dton who is bottom, we could make a sandwich: Ddton(top)-ChristianPFC-Dton(bottom).

For the first time, I skipped Silom and Surawong (Saturday 22.12.2013). I came back from Thonburi (where I had met a friend and gone to a short time hotel, his room is not free and my room is too far), and from there I took the skytrain directly to Mor Chit. Usually I would have stopped in Saladaeng and gone for a look at Silom Soi 4 and Soi Twilight, but there was nothing to add to my encounter in the short time hotel.

In the last three months, I met someone in real life (and later had sex) and got introduced by a friend (and later had sex), both the first time in 4 years of coming to Thailand.

Problems with space/time management are over, I had cases where the boy called me five minutes before the agreed meeting time and asked where I am, and I was ten minutes late. There are still occasional hiccups, but nothing serious.

All this with minimal involvement of money. One boy no money at all, another boy a generous 300 for taxi because he mentions regularly that he has no money, another one who works in Saranrom 500, another one recently refused to take money for taxi. The boy from Saranrom now has a piece of soap and a toothbrush in my bathroom. Where will this end?

With most of these boys I converse in Thai (written and spoken), so finally studying Thai pays off. (Whereas with straight boys in my area it didnтАЩt get me anywhere, someone without Thai but more experience would have been more successful.)

The fact that I have several boys in Bangkok and many boys I Pattaya I am happy with, but still explore further opportunities, shows that the hunt is part of the adventure. And paying for sex (reasonable rates, not Soi Twilight!) has some attraction as well.

My current condition can be described as fatigue, satiation, desensibilisation.

Fatigue: I rather go to bed early (midnight) and have a good sleep than go out to saunas, discos, Saranrom (and go to bed at 1 or 2 am) and suffer from lack of sleep the following day (when I have to get up at 8 am for work at 9 am).

Satiation: Sex every other day would be fine, the problem is just to arrange it this way. I had three boys on three days, too much, canтАЩt appreciate it, would rather spread them over a week.

Desensibilisation: (a story I have told before) When I walked past X-Boys four years ago, I caught a glimpse through their open door and got a boner. Now it takes mechanical stimulation, thinking of boys or looking at boys or watching porn is not sufficient. (But I still wake up with a boner from time to time, so there is no physical problem.)