My first month back in Thailand тАж

[Jellybean]

тАж or a slow beginning.

PART 1

As the sub-title of the thread suggests IтАЩve had a very slow start to my current trip. Plagued initially with a bad back, then having to spend nearly 2 weeks in Hua Hin sorting out house repair and sale problems, followed by a disappointing couple of meetings with a тАШboyтАЩ from PlanetRomeo.

As most members will know, selling and buying property can be a very stressful business. Buying and selling in a foreign country, when you are not exactly familiar with the procedures and all the pitfalls is, I find, even more stressful. And perhaps explains, in some small measure, why IтАЩve had far fewer sexual adventures and more disappointments than I would normally have in a similar period in previous years.

Visit to Hero Massage & Spa

I decided to have my first massage of this current trip at Hero Massage & Spa at Sukumvit soi 11, getting off at BTS Nana, Exit 3. In case there were no boys to my liking I took details of how to get to Guys Spa near BTS Asok (as reported on recently by bkkmfj2648 ... Crikey! Martin, your forum name doesnтАЩt exactly roll off the tongue does it! How did you come up with that one? :-) ) but, as it turned out, I didnтАЩt need it on this occasion.

I turned into soi 11 to catch a taxi to Hero. A very cute motorcycle taxi driver waved at me from across the soi. Wow! I donтАЩt see many cute guys driving motorcycle taxis in Bangkok. He drove a little bit too fast through the crowded soi, but it gave me the excuse to hold on more tightly. At our destination he gave me the most pleasant smile and knowing look. I tipped him for just being cute and wish I had, at least, asked his name.

I had hoped to see the masseur whom I had seen three times during my previous trip, but, sadly, he doesnтАЩt work there anymore. I then had to go through the worst part, at least for me, of selecting a masseur. I was presented with 20-25 manly looking guys, nearly all of whom would have suited me. But I asked for a gay masseur and 4 or 5 guys indicated they were gay. I quickly chose a guy with a very welcoming smile. Later he asked why I had picked him. I said, тАЬBecause you are so cuteтАЭ, which was true.

In the cubicle he asked if I wanted him to shower with me, I said that would be nice. Oh my God, when he took his clothes off there stood one of the most pleasurable sights, at least for me тАж he was very hairy, something I find particularly sexy. However, the massage nearly ended prematurely in the shower!

Unfortunately the massage part was not as good as my previous masseur from Hero. It didnтАЩt seem quite as professional and was spoiled by the masseur constantly talking. I like to relax and almost drift off to sleep during the first stage, but his interminable yacking prevented this. And, disappointingly, he did not do body-to-body massage that was a favourite feature of the previous massages and which I was looking forward to. Is the training at Hero not uniform?

However, once we moved on to тАШstage 2тАЩ I was not in the least disappointed and had a thoroughly enjoyable experience. But for some reason, I didnтАЩt feel on the same high as I did with the previous masseur. I donтАЩt know why, the new guy performed well, looked after me and gave me what I wanted. Perhaps it was the business like way that it ended, which I found quite disconcerting. Maybe I was expecting something more, which I had no right to expect.

Cost of oil massage 700 baht. Tip 1,500 baht. (Minimum tip 1,000 baht)

Catch-up with ChristianPFC

I had an enjoyable night out with ChristianPFC. But he was 15 minutes late after being so precise about his тАЬETAтАЭ. To be fair, he did call to say he would be 15 minutes late, but I was already at our appointed meeting place by that time. Think I am even more anal than him about time keeping тАж LOL!

We ate at a really nice, but small, Italian restaurant in Silom soi 6. But there were very few other customers, which was a shame, because the food was very good. We ate again there the following week.

First visit to soi pratuu-chai (soi Twilight)

After dinner we walked along to soi Twilight. The first boy to greet me was the straight тАШboyтАЩ from Laos, with a cute ass, whom I saw the previous week and whom IтАЩd seen on a regular basis during my previous trip. But his first words were not welcoming, he said, тАЬOh, khun pung-puey!тАЭ. (Which I think means - you have a fat stomach). Well maybe the pizza I had just eaten was to blame, but I really didnтАЩt think I was any fatter than the week before! He then asked me to take him out! So insult me then ask for money ... what? Does that constitute one of ChristianтАЩs тАШmentally challengedтАЩ moments? Anyway I said, тАШnoтАЩ weтАЩre going to another bar тАж but I did squeeze his cute, firm buttocks as we departed as it is just possible I may see him again at some point.

So we didnтАЩt stop at his bar and walked the length of the soi and ended up at Scorpion Bar, where, I have to say, Christian is very well known.

It turned out the mamasan knew me from Dream Boys and tried to push a couple of effeminate skinny gay boys on to me, but I wasnтАЩt interested.

The Vietnamese boys weтАЩve heard so much about seemed more interested in themselves or going across the soi to play pool. A couple of them looked interesting, but if they werenтАЩt offтАЩable, or did very little in the bedroom, I thought, what was the point?

Then all of a sudden I had the most appalling thought. Had I lost my mojo? I really didnтАЩt see any boys I liked, they all looked dreadfully, painfully skinny, money grabbing little wretches whoтАЩd sell their granny for 50 baht, or maybe IтАЩd just lost my rose-tinted spectacles! LOL!

We didnтАЩt go into the go-go bars, too expensive of course, LOL, but walked back down to Hotmale host bar where, surprisingly, one waiter remembered me. I didnтАЩt however remember him. I marked him down as a тАШmaybeтАЩ, but wasnтАЩt sure if he could be offтАЩd. Later, we had a brief conversation when I told him I had been called тАЬpung-pueyтАЭ. He cuddled me and said, тАЬYou thin not pung-pueyтАЭ. Ah ... thatтАЩs very reassuring I thought, then about 5 minutes later he whispered in my ear, тАЬYou buy me a drink [Jellybean]?тАЭ Oh the little rascal ... was the false complement just a ruse to get me to buy him a drink? Well, it seems IтАЩm easily manipulated because he got his drink!

ChristianPFC wanted me to go to Saran Rom Park with him. I said, тАЬOh, I am far too old for parks now. In any case, I doubt that I could run if some mad Thai boy with an axe or a knife came after me!тАЭ LOL!

We spoke about going to Pattaya, but not that weekend. I needed him to search for a hotel I can park my car. The hotels IтАЩve used in the past in Boyztown are located in a narrow soi with no parking facilities. He would check out Sunee Plaza for me. IтАЩve heard various hotels mentioned on SGT, but IтАЩve never seen them or know anything about their location and availability of car park spaces. So maybe weтАЩll go in 2-3 weeksтАЩ time.

So, shock horror, I ended up going home on my own, when I still could have popped into a go-go bar! Not even Screwboys Bar, which we had passed earlier in the evening, when I just had a quick look in, and saw some very manly guys, which normally would have aroused my curiosity!

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This post has been split into two parts due to its length. Part 2 will cover the following two subjects:

тАв Visit to a Thai friendтАЩs new restaurant
тАв Second visit to soi pratuu-chai (soi Twilight)

To be continued тАж

[bkkmfj2648]

Jellybean wrote; "In case there were no boys to my liking I took details of how to get to Guys Spa near BTS Asok (as reported on recently by bkkmfj2648 ... Crikey! Martin, your forum name doesnтАЩt exactly roll off the tongue does it! How did you come up with that one? :-) ) but, as it turned out, I didnтАЩt need it on this occasion."

I am glad that you had a backup plan in case Hero Massage did not work out :D Yes, my nik is criptic - it is a long story...

by the way, your trip report is great!!! I will arrive next month and I cannot wait. Plus, I already asked to meet Christian - as I hear he is fim company, and a great tour guide.

enjoy the rest of your trip in LOS.

Martin :)

[pong]

Am also near to the end of the 30 days for this time-come back after a shot stay in KUL?MY.
Your exp. in Hero was in fact slightly better as mine. Having visited at least 20+ of such Thai style shops all over BKK, I found it like the conveyor belt approach. Yes-they have a sizeable crowd of clones of well built Thai hunks, if you are into that. But in Thai shops, for a lower price you are the nr 1 VIP-customer and in Hero you are just in the big crowd of cash-cow milkers. Msg was horrible and the rest like a mechanic. So far for their assumed quality........
I thought that hero could turn into a conveyor belt: they have those hospital style massagebeds on wheels already, so have you lay down and the best boy for a quick (activity) will pass by and do his job in 2-2,5 mins. for the next stage. But; BTW-HIS has even less reviews. On the way to Hero is Banana with a Singapore owner, Calvin, who knows his boys very well and can give good advice. However, this place is much more basic as hero.
My personal rec. is JEY in soi 41 Sukhumvit, a little beyond Emporium in Japantown. But you have to choose from pictures there and there is hardly any english spoken.

[christianpfc]

Great report.

From Nana to Hero is what I call "easy walking distance". These mocy drivers have numbers, so you can at least remember the number and find him next time you are in the area.

Comforting to read that it's not a smooth ride for you, too. So I know I am not the only one having problems.

No mojo? I am in a similar situation, the bar for sex rising higher. The boys have to be cuter than those I had before to entice me to go out to meet them, and Soi-Twilight-price-wise I am not prepared to spend that money, no matter how cute the boy is.

[Jellybean]

pong wrote: "My personal rec. is JEY in soi 41 Sukhumvit, a little beyond Emporium in Japantown. But you have to choose from pictures there and there is hardly any english spoken."

Yes, I would agree with you pong, Jey Spa at Sukumvit soi 41 was very good and a particular favourite of mine. But bkkmfj2648 (AKA as Martin) reported in his topic, тАЬMy first trip report to Bangkok and Phuket (08-Feb тАУ 03-Mar 2013)тАЭ that it has closed

While walking in the Silom Road the other day I was handed a flyer for Fan Club Massage, located in a small side street off soi Convent (almost opposite the now infamous Indigo Restaurant). IтАЩve had quite a few pleasurable massages there, so IтАЩll be heading there very shortly.

ChristianPFC wrote: "From Nana to Hero is what I call "easy walking distance".

Yes, you are correct ChristianPFC, Hero Spa & Massage is within easy walking distance from BTS Nana. Well, at least if you are an able bodied member, but for some reason I always get a motorcycle taxi there and take a leisurely stroll back. Perhaps I am just over keen to get there! :-)

I heard of one fa-r├аng who always kept a large supply of personal address cards about his person and handed them out to any Thai boy he took a fancy to, urging them to call him. I suppose in a percentage of cases that approach might work.

Now I wonder where I can get some address cards printed. :)

[anonone]

Good to hear you are back in Thailand Jellybean. Always interesting to read your reports.

Are you staying full time in Bangkok now? I couldn't tell for sure, but it kinda sounded like you have sold your place in Hua Hin.

I would suggest trying to meet up for a drink or something when I get back to Thailand, but with you and Christian both reporting a loss of mojo, I am not sure I want to take the chance. Might be contagious. :))

Looking forward to Part 2.....

[Jellybean]

Thanks anonone, but no, I am not staying in Thailand full time тАж donтАЩt think that would suit me. I enjoy coming out here, but I also enjoy going back home. This trip will last a little bit over 6 months and IтАЩll then return to the UK just after s┼Пng-graan.

And I havenтАЩt sold my house yet, but there are serious negotiations taking place.

ItтАЩs funny you should mention the possibility of losing oneтАЩs mojo being contagious. I did wonder if the perceived bad karma or bad luck, call it what you will, that appears to have affected ChristianPFC could have enveloped me through association. I did look at him rather suspiciously the other night, but wasnтАЩt quite sure what I was supposed to be looking for. LOL!

But fear not, as you will discover in Part 2, I recover my mojo during my second visit to тАШsoi TwilightтАЩ, so there is indeed a happy ending to my story. :) But, hang on a minute, oddly enough ChristianPFC had left me by that time. Hmm тАж perhaps there is something in this karma business after all. How weird ... time to cue the Twilight Zone theme tune I think тАж :)

[homeseeker]

Enjoyed your post OP. awaiting part 2!

[Smiles]

" ... when he took his clothes off there stood one of the most pleasurable sights, at least for me тАж he was very hairy, something I find particularly sexy ... "
Nice post Jellybean. I must say though that of all the comments I found the one above to be the most interesting ... only because I guess that so many (can I say "a landslide") on this board ~ and rice queens in general ~ would more than likely say exactly the opposite. And probably vehemently at that.
Fundamentals of 'desire' come in a huge range of likes and not-likes depending upon the individual, but the 'hirsute lovers' amongst the total subset of serious desire-ers of Asian men (i.e. most of 'us') are few and far between.

Certainly, for me, the very thought of large and copious glops (a new word coined :-o ) of dark matted hair (think: wet cat) arranged hither and thither on any given Asian guy's back (or ass, or balls or toes or what-have-you) who has ~ before getting down to that ~ stirred my inner desires simply by observing the face alone ~ I'm into 'faces' ~ would be enough, upon the disrobing, for my to gag deeply and loudly and come down immediately with a case of heebeejeebies so intense that I'm certain I would have to take the vapours after asking him to get the hell out of my sight.
Kind of insensitive I know ... but there you have it.

But good for you Jellybean, you are definitely one of a kind. Around here!

[bidreamer]

Oh, nice to hear that hairy guys are a turn-on for others, too. Have a kind of thing for hairy legs in particular myself. Seems my glance always wanders down to the legs of the guys guys passing by. Specially the rough dark asian-style hair on a nice well-defined pair of legs- so nice to rub:-)

Calling someone fat in Thailand (and Asia generally) is not insulting at all, Jellybean. The implication is that you're rich enough to stuff yourself with food, with the emphasis on being rich. How long do you say you've been going to Thailand?

[adman5000]

Crikey Jellybelly, I had no idea HERO guys would actually do a massage! :ymdevil:

[a447]

Calling someone fat in Thailand (and Asia generally) is not insulting at all, Jellybean. The implication is that you're rich enough to stuff yourself with food, with the emphasis on being rich. How long do you say you've been going to Thailand?

Kommentariat is recycling a belief from long ago.

These days it is insulting. People may have believed that in earlier times, and it may still hold true in the countryside.
However, old beliefs such as that one die as the number of people who can afford to stuff their faces increases dramatically, especially in the big cities.

I have met heaps of bar guys over the years whose frequent comments on pom pui farang are definitely insulting. The look of disgust on their faces gives them away.

And Jelly, I am also looking forward to your next adventures. Please report back often - and in graphic detail! Thanks. :)

[Jellybean]

Nice post Jellybean. I must say though that of all the comments I found the one above to be the most interesting ... only because I guess that so many (can I say "a landslide") on this board ~ and rice queens in general ~ would more than likely say exactly the opposite. And probably vehemently at that.
Thanks Smiles.

Well, it would be a funny old world if we all liked the same things. But I realise IтАЩm probably in a minority of members on this and other gay Thailand boards who have a preference for Thai guys with lots of body hair. But itтАЩs reassuring to hear from bidreamer that IтАЩm not in a class of one. :)

But I donтАЩt exclusively go out with hairy Thai guys or discriminate against non-hairy guys. In fact, my longest relationship in Thailand was with a Thai boy with very little body hair. And in the case of the masseur at Hero, I didnтАЩt know he had so much hair until he took his clothes off тАж it was just an unexpected and very pleasant bonus as far as I was concerned. Honestly, I didnтАЩt ask for hairy guys to identify themselves, I just asked for gay guys to identify themselves.

Thinking about it, I believe my preference for hairy Thai guys originates from the period before my first visit to Thailand when I was hit with the тАЬbig casinoтАЭ, as Junior Soprano called it in the US television show The Sopranos. Then I was almost exclusively attracted to Spanish guys, South American guys (mainly Brazilians) and occasionally Italian guys. But my longest relationship was with a gorgeous Greek-Cypriot guy. And nearly all of them were wonderfully hairy.

Talking of body hair, I have a collection of, what I consider to be, the sexiest porn ever, featuring the most gloriously sexy, hairy arsed Russian boys being interviewed for parts in porn movies and exposing every intimate nook and cranny in superb close-up!

[timmberty]

Calling someone fat in Thailand (and Asia generally) is not insulting at all, Jellybean. The implication is that you're rich enough to stuff yourself with food, with the emphasis on being rich. How long do you say you've been going to Thailand?

Kommentariat is recycling a belief from long ago.

These days it is insulting. People may have believed that in earlier times, and it may still hold true in the countryside.
However, old beliefs such as that one die as the number of people who can afford to stuff their faces increases dramatically, especially in the big cities.

I have met heaps of bar guys over the years whose frequent comments on pom pui farang are definitely insulting. The look of disgust on their faces gives them away.

And Jelly, I am also looking forward to your next adventures. Please report back often - and in graphic detail! Thanks. :)

how can it be insulting to call a fat person fat ?
is it same for a skinny person, if you call them skinny, or if you call a good looking person handsome ? the trouble is with all this p.c. crap. not people telling the truth.
im sure i've read many times how you love having sex with slim hairless good looking thai boys, there is no different between that and calling a lard arse a lard arse.

I have met heaps of bar guys over the years whose frequent comments on pom pui farang are definitely insulting. The look of disgust on their faces gives them away.You really should stop feeling so sensitive about your appearance a447.

[latintopxxx]

kommentiat...you're terrible....

[Jellybean]

PART 2

Visit to a Thai friendтАЩs new restaurant

I was supposed to be picked up at my condo by my Thai friend, but at the last minute, he sent a Cambodian boy who works as a dancer in a soi Twilight bar. I hadnтАЩt seen him for over 6 months. We hung around with each other for about 5 weeks during my previous trip in a very loose arrangement. He is great fun to be with and we had a great time at s┼Пng-graan. The fly in the ointment is that he wants to be my boyfriend, but IтАЩm not interested, but, despite this, my friend keeps pushing him in my direction.

In the taxi down to my friendтАЩs restaurant the Cambodian тАШboyтАЩ held my hand, which was pleasant enough, but I didnтАЩt really want to give him the wrong impression so I tried to maintain an air of friendship rather than anything deeper. He kept telling me how much he had missed me тАж but nearly every bar boy IтАЩve ever met has said the same thing. And, rather worryingly, he said he knew I had been in тАШsoi TwilightтАЩ the previous week. Well, so what, I thought. But it just shows you how effective their bush telegraph is, nothing appears to escape their attention тАж LOL!

My Thai friend is a former Dream Boys go-go bar boy who has done rather well from his, er, how shall I put it тАж тАШearnings from prostitutionтАЩ, the rather formal description we used when I was in employment back in the UK.

Hmm тАж I thought the new restaurant was very basic, nothing fancy. And it had the most horribly harsh strip lighting. I suggested, as a priority, that he needed to soften the lighting and make it a bit more appealing and pleasant environment. He agreed, but had no more money. My friend said he had spent 500,000 baht on the restaurant and the rent is a steep 20,000 baht a month. Crikey! HeтАЩll have to turnover quite a few dishes to try and recover his costs. I hope he knows what heтАЩs doing. He then asked if I could тАШlendтАЩ him the money to make the improvements! I said a very emphatic тАШnoтАЩ and suggested he turn to his newly rich Cambodian boyfriend (more of which later).

The food was ok, nothing special and I paid for a meal and drinks for the four of us. It cost around 500 baht.

We were the only people in the restaurant at the beginning of the evening, but our revelry appeared to encourage two couples to call in and eat, which my friend was very happy about and asked if I could come back on a regular basis to encourage more custom. LOL! I said very few people like to walk into an empty restaurant тАУ especially one so brightly lit and stark тАУ it felt like sitting and eating in a goldfish bowl I thought!

Several times during the evening I tried to get the message over to the Cambodian тАШboyтАЩ that I just wanted to be friends, go out for drinks, get drunk occasionally and perhaps go to DJ Station sometimes. He is a good dancer and great fun to be with. I thought I had made it clear that I didnтАЩt want to have a relationship with him or anyone else.

He is handsome, has a great body тАж a hairy body, which some members may know is a particular favourite of mine! And he seems quite kind hearted. But he needs considerable financial assistance and I just didnтАЩt feel attracted to him anymore. I kept wondering, where the hell is my mojo?

Unfortunately my message about just being friends didnтАЩt seem to get across to him because when I left to catch a taxi, instead of just to waving me off, it looked like he wanted to get in the taxi with me. Crikey! I had to intervene and say, no, I was going home alone, but hoped to see him later and go out for a drink or a meal. It felt very awkward! But there was absolutely no way that I wanted to resume the rather loose relationship we had during my previous trip.

During the meal I heard lots of hints about how poor he is, no customers, high rent and how badly things are in Cambodia for his family. And I was told there wasnтАЩt any future back there for him. Good lord тАж how depressing, but IтАЩve been down this road before with another тАШboyтАЩ and I have no desire to do so again.

This was contrasted with his best friend, who used to work in Dream Boys/Boys Bangkok, my Thai friendтАЩs boyfriend. He has recently quit the bars and returned to Cambodia to study English. And, apparently, with a very handsome bank balance to his credit. I was told that he has bought large plots of land and can now support his family in Cambodia. The difference here is that he is supported financially by two former customers of Dream Boys/Boys Bangkok, an American and a Singaporean, who appear to be under the delusion that he is their boyfriend! Well, IтАЩm sure weтАЩve all heard of similar such stories.

It would appear that my friendтАЩs Cambodian boyfriend is following the exact same formula that he used to good effect to amass his many assets up in p╚Гak
├м-s─Гan, which include a house, a productive, money making farm and tractor and trailer. And now he is branching out into the restaurant business.


Second visit to soi pratuu-chai (soi Twilight)

A week later, after another dinner in Silom soi 6, I returned for a second visit to тАШsoi TwilightтАЩ with ChristianPFC.

As we approached DickтАЩs Bar he introduced me to another forum member, who was sitting with his boyfriend. ItтАЩs nice to put a face to a fellow poster.

We ended up at Scorpion Bar again, but unfortunately, Christian could not stay long as he had a prior engagement. But what to do and where to go? I pondered as I sat at the bar. Again I watched the various boys and masseurs walking up and down the soi, but none of them were attracting my interest.

A mamasan from New Classic Bar came across and asked me to his bar as, he put it, I hadnтАЩt been there for some time, which was true. But I declined, I just didnтАЩt feel like going into a go-go bar, which was odd in itself, as IтАЩd been away for 6 months.

Crikey! Why couldnтАЩt I see anyone who interested me? Where was my mojo?

I was the only customer at the bar, then another fa-r├аng turned up and seemed to attract a lot of attention from the Vietnamese boys who flocked to him. Then one of the Vietnamese boys picked up my copy of the magazine Thai-Puan and, after browsing through it, came back to me and drew my attention to an article on Vietnamese cooking. Hmm тАж yes, very interesting I thought, in a very detached way. :)

Then I looked a bit more closely at the тАШboyтАЩ and thought, actually, he is really quite cute in a Jack-the-lad sort of way. So I bought him a drink and we chatted intermittently in my very basic, pidgin Thai.

At one point I thought he asked me in Thai if I liked dogs and cats. тАЬYes, I like dogs, but not cats тАж IтАЩm allergic to them.тАЭ I replied. тАЬNo, no, no.тАЭ said the mamasan or manager, he asked тАЬDo you like to EAT cats and dogs?тАЭ тАЬNo, I donтАЩt!тАЭ I said unequivocally. Apparently the тАШboyтАЩ said, тАЬNeither do I.тАЭ Hmm тАж I wonder if this was some sort of test. What an odd question.

I think I then detected some interest in me from the тАШboyтАЩ, or was he simply desperate for money? LOL! Anyway, I asked if he was offтАЩable or was he just there for show. The boy was asked and I was very pleasantly surprised to hear that he agreed to go with me.

We got the grumpiest, most curmudgeonly taxi driver to ever hold a Bangkok taxi driverтАЩs licence on the way back to my condo. He refused to follow my directions and those of the тАШboyтАЩ (who repeated what I had said) and ended up having to take two U-turns because he was going in the wrong direction! He reminded me of the Bangkok taxi driver I had the misfortune to choose who didnтАЩt know the way to Suvarnabhumi Airport тАж but thatтАЩs another story!

Ah тАж not a good start, I thought and wondered what my new friend was thinking? But he laughed it off and said, тАЬk├бo aa-rom-m╚Гi-diiтАЭ (he grumpy) when we got out of the taxi and walked into my apartment block.

My new friend went immediately to the bathroom and showered. Oh my God тАж what a vision he looked when he emerged wrapped only in a bath towel! Unfortunately, he smoked, so I found an ash tray for him, pointed him in the direction of the fridge where he helped himself to a drink and I left him on the balcony while I went off to shower.

Afterwards тАж I felt in seventh heaven тАж this was the feeling I was looking for and thought I had lost! But why with this particular boy? When he is so obviously straight. But he had truly lifted my spirits and he had done everything I expect from a paid for sex partner. I had anticipated the most basic of performances and several тАЬno can doтАЭ. I had even had my doubts about bringing home yet another straight, gay-for-pay guy when there were so many able and willing gay guys available. But he turned out to be the perfect choice. I had no complaints whatsoever.

Back on the balcony and drinking a couple of beers together he wanted me to take photos of him. Bugger! My camera wouldnтАЩt work, IтАЩd forgotten to charge the battery!

He then surprised me and said, тАЬYou come bar tomorrow. Take me?тАЭ тАЬMe boyfriend you, me boyfriend you тАж ok?тАЭ тАЬI love you тАж I love you!тАЭ Then he gave me a great big hug. Blimey! I didnтАЩt expect that reaction. But whatтАЩs that old expression? When dealing with prostitutes, believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear. Yes, how very true, I thought. IтАЩve been around the gay sleaze pots of Thailand far too long to go believing any of this is real.

In the kitchen he indicated that he wanted to cook a Vietnamese meal for me at a later date. Oh, actually, that part sounded quite sweet, even romantic and at least IтАЩll know for sure there wonтАЩt be any cats or dogs served up тАж LOL!

How to explain his perplexing behaviour? Maybe he thinks heтАЩs found his тАШcash cowтАЩ? Maybe he has тАж well, perhaps for a week or two. :)

So after paying him we said our fond farewells, with me promising to see him again and take photos, which he can then show to his friends.

Well, at the very least, I think IтАЩve found my mojo again!

To be continued тАж

[latintopxxx]

jellyboy...love the write up....honest...lovely

[anonone]

Great update Jellybean. Glad to see you are recovering some mojo.


Oh my God тАж what a vision he looked when he emerged wrapped only in a bath towel!

I do find this incredibly sexy. God, they look good in a towel.

[francois]

PART 2
тАЬMe boyfriend you, me boyfriend you тАж ok?тАЭ тАЬI love you тАж I love you!тАЭ Then he gave me a great big hug.

Jellybean I think you found a keeper or rather he found you. :x

[adman5000]

Thank you for the great story.

[dinagam]

A very enjoyable report indeed!

Are the boys aware that you own the apartment?

[Jellybean]

Thanks dinagam. DonтАЩt think the Vietnamese boy asked me. Communication between us was a bit hit and miss. I shall write more about him in a future post.

But Thai boys, being naturally curious, not nosey of course, usually do ask.

Note to Admin: How do you quote another member's comments? I couldn't see a quotes button to the left or right.

[lego]

Note to Admin: How do you quote another member's comments? I couldn't see a quotes button to the left or right.
Works for me, there's a "Quote" button in the upper right corner of each post.

Nice reports, by the way, please keep them coming! :ymapplause:

[francois]

Note to Admin: How do you quote another member's comments? I couldn't see a quotes button to the left or right.


The quote feature appears for me when logged in.

[Jellybean]

Thanks Francois and lego but, unless IтАЩm going blind, I still cannot see a quotes button. Not in the top right hand corner of members posts or anywhere else.

Ah, but when I viewed another topic I saw the quotes button. When I returned to my own topic I saw the quotes button. But when I then went to create a post the quotes feature was no longer available. How very odd.

Elephantspike have you any explanation for this odd phenomena or technical advice to resolve the problem?

[Mancs]

If you press the quote button while looking at the topic it cleverly copies all the text in that post into a reply box. As long as we keep the html code around it we can then edit how much of that text we want to keep as a quote.

[Jellybean]

Thanks Mancs. Glad the members are looking after each other as elephantspike has quite clearly ignored my request for help. This would appear to be a new and more complicated way of quoting other members posts.

As a test I have quoted an earlier question posted by anonone.

... I couldn't tell for sure, but it kinda sounded like you have sold your place in Hua Hin.

Anonone I returned to Bangkok on Friday after spending 3 days in Hua Hin and I can confirm that I have now sold my house, phew тАж what a relief! I feel like a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

I shall write more about it, either on this thread, or IтАЩll create a new topic on buying property in Thailand.

[Khor tose]

jellyboy...love the write up....honest...lovely
Jellybean, exactly the words I would have used.--keep the write-ups coming.

[christianpfc]

Glad you found your mojo.

For me, just when things smooth up (ample choice in Pattaya and even in Bangkok finally found one regular and another one in the making), I get into a state that I would call fatigue/satiation. Sex? Not again! If you presented me a cute boy in nice underwear on a silver tray for free, I would complain that the tray is silver and not gold.

[Jellybean]

PART 3

Four days later тАж

On Saturday afternoon I went to a second-hand book fair in Surawong Road with ChristianPFC. I didnтАЩt see anything I liked, I already have quite a backlog of books to read and decided against any further purchases, although the prices were very reasonable. Afterwards, we had a late lunch at an overpriced local Thai caf├й.

After lunch we split up, me going back to my condo for a rest and Christian headed off to Babylon Sauna. We agreed to meet up again in тАШSoi TwilightтАЩ later that evening.

I arrived early and decided to have my first drink at Hot Male host bar. A rather effeminate waiter started making overtures towards me saying he had seen me many times тАж bloody cheek, IтАЩve hardly ever been there! LOL! :) I was more interested in renewing my acquaintance with the waiter who had secured a drink from me 4 days earlier, but he was busy with another customer. Ah well, maybe another time!

After finishing my drink I headed up the soi to Scorpion Bar. At first I didnтАЩt see тАШmyтАЩ guy. I ordered a drink from one of the Thai waiters тАж blimey! He knew me from s┼Пng-graan in April, when he and a few other Thai boys had accompanied my Cambodian boy and me to Silom soi 4. I didnтАЩt recognise him at first, but heтАЩs a good friend to the Cambodian boy who IтАЩm trying to avoid. Crikey! Now I know the source of the information about my earlier visit to тАШsoi TwilightтАЩ!

Then тАШmyтАЩ Vietnamese boy turned up and gave me a nice big cuddle. Ah тАж how sweet I thought. I asked if he wanted a drink and he ordered himself a beer. I also bought a beer for his friend.

ChristianPFC turned up and we chatted about the dayтАЩs events. Meanwhile the Vietnamese тАШboyтАЩ floated between the bar and the pool bar across the soi. He came back at regular intervals and sat next to me and showed small signs of affection. Hmm тАж so far, so good, I thought.

At one point he returned when ChristianPFC was using his smart тАШphone and took a particular interest in it. I compared it with my museum piece, a Nokia N73, which I use in Thailand. It seemed expensive in its day, but the boy appeared to look at me questioningly, probably wondering why a fa-r├аng should have such an outdated piece of technology. LOL!

Later on in the evening I asked the Vietnamese тАШboyтАЩ if he wanted to come back with me тАж I didnтАЩt want to appear over keen. He readily agreed тАж great I thought, but I didnтАЩt show any outward sign of my overwhelming sense of satisfaction.

Back at my condo I had the same pleasurable experience I had 4 nights earlier. Only this time we both seemed quite relaxed in our company тАж as if we had been together many times before. Again, he did everything I expected and this time he anticipated my wishes.

Afterwards we had a beer sitting on the balcony and now, armed with a camera with a fully charged battery, I took a series of tasteful photos, which I could easily get printed at the local Kodak store.

Somehow the subject of mobile telephones came up and he said he didnтАЩt have a тАШphone. Awww тАж what a shame I thought.

He then said, тАЬI like same telephone friend you.тАЭ
тАЬOh really? I too like same telephone friend me.тАЭ I said. LOL! :)

But then he said he preferred an iPhone. Blimey, the boy has expensive tastes I thought. I am sure he was hinting rather strongly that I might buy him a new тАШphone. Hmm тАж funny how after seeing a new boy only two or three times I start to receive requests for expensive presents. Does this happen to other members?

We then started talking about his home country, he said he was going home for New Year. I asked where in Vietnam he lived. He suggested showing me on my laptop. He seemed to readily master my laptop and found numerous photos of his home, which I must say, looked exceedingly beautiful.

I got the impression he wanted me to go with him тАж or perhaps just pay for him! LOL! I really didnтАЩt quite understand, but I knew for sure I wasnтАЩt about to buy a straight bar-boy, whom IтАЩd met only twice, a new mobile phone or pay for his trip back to Vietnam. Time to cool things down I thought. My feelings for the тАЩboyтАЩ were too strong and I doubt very much they were reciprocated in any way, shape or form. Why? I wondered, donтАЩt I stick to the gay boys, at least with them there is a slim chance that some true feelings might be involved.

Anyway, I was going down to Hua Hin for a few days to finalise my house sale and then a female friend was returning with me to spend 4 days in Bangkok at my condo. Just the sort of cooling-off period I needed.

And yes, it has worked, itтАЩs now been 10 days since I last saw my Vietnamese friend and I no longer have those strong, uncontrollable feelings of lust for him. LOL! So allтАЩs right with the world again and my emotions have returned to their usual state of equilibrium.

So the next time I return to soi Twilight I canтАЩt say for sure that I wonтАЩt try and off him again, or if I should move on to pastures new and find a new (perhaps gay?) bar-boy.

Then there is always the possibility of finding someone off an Internet dating site, but hey thatтАЩs another story and takes me into month two тАж

-o-

тАШWтАЩ Hotel Bangkok

Whilst writing I thought I might tag on a piece about the тАШWтАЩ Hotel, Bangkok in Sathorn Road (Nearest station, BTS Chong Nonsi). Aimed especially at those members who can afford 5 star accommodation and donтАЩt worry about their budgets тАж and there seems to be plenty of you, if the poll created by bucknaway is to be believed. LOL!

I visited the hotel on behalf of a friend. I had watched with interest, from my balcony, as it had been constructed. Wow! It is very impressive, if you like modern. The design is very futuristic and hi-tech. I saw three different rooms, all looked fantastic тАж the sort of rooms, IтАЩm afraid to say, I could never afford to stay in. I think they start from 4,465 baht a night, but the rates, I was told, vary from day-to-day so you need to check their on-line booking facility.

But there was one major downside for me, and I donтАЩt understand their thinking behind it. There are no toilet/bathroom doors, except in the twin rooms where there was an open bathroom, but a sliding door for the toilet. In the other two types of rooms there was no door in the standard room and just a curtain in the higher priced room to hide oneтАЩs privacy.

And crikey! I donтАЩt think IтАЩll complain about the cost of a gay massage ever again. The costs of their spa treatments range from 3,200 baht for an hour to 4,500 baht for 2 hours and I doubt very much there will be any hint of a тАШhappy endingтАЩ LOL!

I had a look at their restaurant on the second floor тАж again, very impressive, truly this was 21st century design at play. Surprisingly the lunch menu prices were relatively cheap. Two courses were priced at 480++ baht and three courses at 520++ baht. Not sure about the dinner prices, but will call them and find out as my female friend wants to eat there the next time sheтАЩs in Bangkok.

And lastly, IтАЩve never seen such cute bellboys at a hotel. I think they employ the cr├иme de la cr├иme of bellboys. They were dressed in crisp white shirts and skin tight black trousers тАж absolutely gorgeous!

[dinagam]

Boys are only trying out their luck when they ask for presents from their patrons. If they are consistent, I'm sure that they will get something- even expensive items, from a customer who happens to be in a generous mood. But if they pester you, then they are just being a nuisance.

[Nirish guy]

It is also possible of course that as well as maybe testing the waters the guy was also just having a conversation i.e. "if I was to get a new phone I think I'd get an iPhone as I prefer them" or "seeing as we are talking about my home town, here's a few pictures of it on the internet, pretty isn't it" etc etc. Whilst they are money boys and so of course money will play it's part they are also ordinary guys who maybe like to pass the time chatting just as much as the rest of us sometimes - especially when that means they can be avoiding sex with us and also such topics are about the only ones they can think of having with us due to age and cultural differences and the fact that he is only there as we're paying him to be there in the first place of course so his interest and ability in having "real" conversations with us may be somewhat limited anyway.

[christianpfc]

(It took me one line and a half to notice that the post above is by NIrishguy, to be exact at "etc etc".)

From knowing jellybean in person, I can tell that he is the ideal victim for requests for mobile phones and other gifts and for becoming boyfriend with a straight boy (meaning paying a monthly allowance) because he exudes a bit of insecurity and softness. When I meet moneyboys, they wouldn't get the idea to ask me for a mobile phone or more than the going rate because they can feel it's pointless, I am completely insusceptible to such requests.

[Nirish guy]

You seem to be obsessed with "identifying" my posts of late Christian - I mean come on, its really not difficult as after all my profile name is after all shown beside each and every one of them, it's not exactly rocket science. I'm glad my personal writing style (or lack of it to be more precise) catches your attention, but trust me Christian if we're talking about writing "styles"....... your own is not exactly too hard to spot now is it, although why you would think something like that is even worthy of note really is beyond me - but do carry on if you so wish and it makes you happy old chap as one thing I can assure you of is my writing style that you seem so interested in of late isn't all of a sudden after all these years going to change ;-)

[adman5000]

Elephantspike : Can we move the quote tutorial to a separate resource type thread. I almost missed JellyBeans update. Krikey- I would not want to do that.

JellyBean: Thanks for continuing the story. At first, I thought the "second-hand book fair" was a euphemism for Soi Twilight. Your description seemed to fit how I sometimes feel when visiting there.
I didnтАЩt see anything I liked, I already have quite a backlog of books to read and decided against any further purchases, although the prices were very reasonable. Although the pricing comment may not be true if the recent price increases are to be believed.

ChristianPfc: Perhaps YOUR perception of JellyBean exuding insecurity and softness is not a bad thing for him. From my experiences, the Thai love to "take care" of jai dee people who they take to. Yes, JellyBean may need to filter out the blatant support requests-etc,etc, but he might also attract someone who genuinely cares about him. I for one, hope he does.
On the other hand, many Thai dislike those who are blatantly cheap or blunt/impolite or dress inappropriately.
When I meet moneyboys, they wouldn't get the idea to ask me for a mobile phone or more than the going rate because they can feel it's pointless, I am completely insusceptible to such requests. This MAY get you a cheap fuck, but consider changing how others perceive you if you are seeking a longer term relationship IMO.
I also think you owe JellyBean a beer on your next meeting. If someone made such comments about me, they would be summarily dismissed at our next meeting.
I have done my best here to help you pick out my writing style also! HAHA :ymdevil:

B-)

[timmberty]

so that was you jellybean, i would have said hello also but the german effecience must have been lacking at the required moment.
glad you had a good time albit a short one ooooerr mrs.
driving to pattaya i couldnt think of anything worse.

[lego]

From knowing jellybean in person, I can tell that he is the ideal victim for requests for mobile phones and other gifts and for becoming boyfriend with a straight boy (meaning paying a monthly allowance) because he exudes a bit of insecurity and softness.
He exudes softness, you mean like an actual jellybean? =))

Anyway, I've bought my fair share of mobile phones for Thai guys myself. None for moneyboys, but I cannot blame them for trying. Sometimes it works out and they hit the jackpot.

[dinagam]

Anonone I returned to Bangkok on Friday after spending 3 days in Hua Hin and I can confirm that I have now sold my house, phew ??? what a relief! I feel like a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

Well done!

[francois]

What am I missing?

[catawampuscat]

What am I missing?

I missed as well...
Why are there many dozens of question marks all over this thread, even it the title???

[francois]

original post was 2013.

[Jellybean]

What am I missing?

Well, francois, I believe only dinagam can tell us why he decided to resurrect a 3 year old topic. I did however find it a little embarrassing to read some of my earlier posts

[Jellybean]

I missed as well...
Why are there many dozens of question marks all over this thread, even it the title???
But in answer to the above question raised by catawampuscat, it would appear that apostrophes, quotation marks and ellipses have been replaced with question marks following the transfer of topics from the old forum to the new forum. I raised, what looks like a bug in the system, to be fixed by Moses when he has time, with Surfcrest on Sunday.

Incidentally, I was unable to quote posts from francois and catawampuscat in the same reply. There were no previous posts at the bottom of the page to quote from. And when I went back a page to quote for a second time, I lost the first quote. Hmmm . . .

[Moses]

original post was 2013.


Well, francois, I believe only dinagam can tell us why he decided to resurrect a 3 year old topic. I did however find it a little embarrassing to read some of my earlier posts


But in answer to the above question raised by catawampuscat, it would appear that apostrophes, quotation marks and ellipses have been replaced with question marks following the transfer of topics from the old forum to the new forum. I raised, what looks like a bug in the system, to be fixed by Moses when he has time, with Surfcrest on Sunday.

Incidentally, I was unable to quote posts from francois and catawampuscat in the same reply. There were no previous posts at the bottom of the page to quote from. And when I went back a page to quote for a second time, I lost the first quote. Hmmm . . .

Button for multi-quote is most right at bottom row under each post - with sign +. First you have to click this button on posts which you want to have in your reply as a quotes, then click "reply with quote"

[dinagam]

Button for multi-quote is most right at bottom row under each post - with sign +. First you have to click this button on posts which you want to have in your reply as a quotes, then click "reply with quote"

Sorry guys for this little misadventure. I was simply trying out the various buttons to familiarize myself with the settings when suddenly I fell into the rabbit hole. And it so happened that it belonged to Jellybean.

[Jellybean]

Button for multi-quote is most right at bottom row under each post - with sign +. First you have to click this button on posts which you want to have in your reply as a quotes, then click "reply with quote"


Sorry guys for this little misadventure. I was simply trying out the various buttons to familiarize myself with the settings when suddenly I fell into the rabbit hole. And it so happened that it belonged to Jellybean.

Ah-ha! Well, well, well. I would never have thought of doing that. Thanks for the advice Moses. ;)

[catawampuscat]

Thanks jellybean for clearing up the mystery. Could not imagine anyone could post so many ?????? and
no one commented on it..

[Moses]

Could not imagine anyone could post so many ?????? and
no one commented on it..

???? - weren't posted: it is result of import and conversion from old forum - there were old smilies.

[christianpfc]

Not just smilies (no loss for me), punctuation marks and in another thread Thai letters are represented as ? in the new forum.