Touts.... Yes? No?

[bucknaway]

How do you view "Touts" in Thailand? When a handsome guy at a tailor shop wants to shake your hand, do you shake his hand and let him take your time to tout the shop he is working for? How about walking past the bars? If a bar has a guy that is just your type, touting the bar, do you go in the bar mainly because of the tout? How about tuk-tuk or taxi touts? Every let them take you for a ride and stuck with them even if they took you to gem shops and taylor shops? Have you ever been around Silom when everything is closing down? When that cute driver of the Tuk-Tuk pulls up near you and promises that he can take you to an after hours disco or gay bar, have you ever gotten in and let him take you for a ride?

Does a Tout have to be attractive to get your attention? Being gay... Does it matter if the tout is a man or a woman when it comes to having any persuasion with you?

[gaymandenmark]

If I remeber correctly you have been in Thailand many times, so why do you ask so many stupied questions?

[bucknaway]

Don't be bitter... Sure it's the internet but there is no need to be nasty or rude. :hello2:

[joe552]

have to agree with gmd - this isn't one of your most inspired threads, buckie

[bucknaway]

That is fine. There are many other threads begging for attention. If he is not interested in one that I post there is no need to throw sand in the vaseline.... :sign5:

*** Edit ****

If you think my posting is bad now, prepare for it to get worse since I head to Thailand next week. Not only will I be posting more before I get there, but I will be posting almost every day when I am there just like I did last year. I just hope that this year will be less problematic. ;)

[arsenal]

Well I quite like this post. It's an invitation to remember an experience you may have had.

The last time I was in Bangkok I got into a tuktuk near Patpong and told the driver which way to go. He immediately turned his vehicle around and headed off in the wrong direction. I didn't argue but just let him carry on, sat back to enjoy the ride and wondered where we would end up. After a while we were both lost. The driver pulled over and handed me over to another tuktuk, one who knew where to go. No money was requested from the first driver and the second took me back to my hotel Happy memories.

[bucknaway]

Thanks arsenal. Your reply reminded me of my time in Phuket. I was walking back from the beach to my hotel near Patong. I walked past a very handsome Tout working for a Tailor shop. I figured I had come across a new way to get past the touts by pretending I didn't understand them and I truly thought I stumbled upon a bright idea. As I approached the handsome guy, he began to make his pitch and I pretended not to understand him. He asked where I was from and I tilted my head as if trying to figure out what he was saying and continued my walk. I did get to shake his hand and loved every moment of it. As I began to walk away and he again tried to communicate with me. He tried English, French, Chinese, German as well as some others. Soon I began to laugh and soon he began to laugh, I went back to him and we shook hands again, each of us were beaming with a wide smile.

After that, when I passed him either going to or coming from the beach we would smile, sometimes shake hands and give each other a friendly nod.

[fedssocr]

Such hostility. If you don't like the thread just hit "back" and move on.

I pretty much keep right on walking at a quick pace. The tailor shop guys just get a wave of the hand and a "no thanks". Tuk tuks I more or less just ignore. Same with bar touts. I will occasionally allow myself to be guided in but that's usually when I was headed there anyway.

The massage girls I feel a little bad for. "Massage, sir" But they just get a little head shake. Same with most of the massage guys unless I am headed to that massage shop anyway. If I am out walking around it is usually because I am going somewhere and I am not easily deterred from my route. :-)

[christianpfc]

After several topics that were just scratch-my-head, Bucky came up with something interesting. (Don't misunderstand this, post as much as you want, I read most of it and find it at least amusing.)

You are mixing a few things up. There are touts who want to get you into any bar or massage because they get paid for bringing in customers. There are tuk-tuk drivers who offer their service. There are these men who want to get you into the tailor shop they are working for.

My policy is a polite but firm "No, thanks". I never saw a cute tout for a Tailor shop and don't shake hands with touts.

There are a few cute tuk-tuk drivers (where Patpong or Thaniya hit Silom or Surawong). Sometimes I stop to watch them and they offer their services (driving tuk-tuk, not what you think), not realizing that I'm not lost or thinking where to go, but measuring who fulfills my standards.

There is one cute doorman at X-Boys Bangkok, started a few months ago, twinky, bordering on fem. I might enquire some day if he can go off with customers.

As for the touts who try to get you to ping pong show or massage, I don't pay attention to them. Most of them operate for lady bars, a few specialise on gay bars. They should know me by now and instead of trying to tell me which bar to go to, they should rather try to sell the Pope a bible.

[bao-bao]

If I remember correctly you have been in Thailand many times, so why do you ask so many stupied questions?
It's been my suspicion that bucknaway's merely trying to start threads that might get people to share stories more like the Good Old Days, and there's nothing wrong with that. He may already know the answers to his questions from his own experience... unless Beachlover has hijacked his account. A true newbie who doesn't take a moment to use the search feature (as few do, it seems) would be interested in reading the replies to his set-ups. I don't find them useless, myself.

[bucknaway]

If I remember correctly you have been in Thailand many times, so why do you ask so many stupied questions?
It's been my suspicion that bucknaway's merely trying to start threads that might get people to share stories more like the Good Old Days, and there's nothing wrong with that. He may already know the answers to his questions from his own experience... unless Beachlover has hijacked his account. A true newbie who doesn't take a moment to use the search feature (as few do, it seems) would be interested in reading the replies to his set-ups. I don't find them useless, myself.

You're right, I was trying to have a conversation where everyone could participate without having a font fight. :-)

Now what about those guys in silom that tout sex videos? Some of those guys are stunners in my opinion.
I may try to make an offer to one of them if I ever get the nerve up LOL

[gaymandenmark]

Okay I take you on your words Buck, and I think one time, when I was a beginner in Bangkok, a tout talked me into a bar, but that was more than enough. Been there, done it.

Touts for taxi, tuk-tuks, tailors and so on, forget it, even if he is cute, I am the one that take the route, also into the bars.

[gumblebee]

Now what about those guys in silom that tout sex videos? Some of those guys are stunners in my opinion.

I always ask them if they are starring in it. Never got yes as an answer :crybaby: Needless to say I'm not buying.

[dab69]

Now what about those guys in silom that tout sex videos? Some of those guys are stunners in my opinion.

I always ask them if they are starring in it. Never got yes as an answer :crybaby: Needless to say I'm not buying.

I started teasing this one guy selling videos. "Sex video- kuhn + pom?" Finally I just tipped him and walked away. Shit he REMEMBERED me the next year... Maybe I will have him take me up on it this year, at lest buy some videos. They are probably
gawd-awful like the one I brought back from Jomtien and left in the hotel.

[bucknaway]

I purchased a couple video's from the Bangkok touts and from the beach in Pattaya. I had to go through heck to get them to play. I still can't just play them. I have to go into the file manager and then find the part of the VCD that hold the audio/video file and execute it manually.... None of them were worth the effort! LOL

[bao-bao]

I always ask them if they are starring in it. Never got yes as an answer :crybaby: Needless to say I'm not buying.
A few years ago I brought some cards I'd made up and laminated at home to tease them with. I'd hold one of them up and give them their pitch before they could give me one. After they'd gotten over the surprise and we'd laughed about it I gave them the card. Did a post about it back in March of 2010. Evidently they liked the idea, because a couple of weeks later I saw similar laminated cards there in Bangkok. I saw two of the cards I'd made the following year!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8vFp5xQjfB0/S7KHPhmVBjI/AAAAAAAAAGg/0tsrE4NH3Tc/s1600/0-ToutCard.jpg

[Surfcrest]

How do you view "Touts" in Thailand? When a handsome guy at a tailor shop wants to shake your hand, do you shake his hand and let him take your time to tout the shop he is working for?
Actually, for the example you provided....I wouldn't define these guys as "Touts".

The tailors in Thailand and indeed other places of the world sell like this. For most, you are only looking at it from your vantage point as the passing tourist.
As all the other tailors are doing business like this, as they have for a long, long time...to give it up would make them non-competitive with the ones that were still at it and break from the tradition of how this sort of business is conducted. It's not much different than the watch store that invites you in by appointment only.
If I were to be doing business with this tailor, I would welcome the recognizable face outside....knowing that he is going to be part of making the experience enjoyable.

For example, I buy shirts custom made in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Rd at a place called Stylo's.....they do a fantastic job for me. The same guy that may reach out to shake your hand
is going to recognize me coming down the street, welcome into the shop and may bring the owner downstairs.....if he's in the shop. While I'm chatting up the owner or Andy, the sales
guy...that guy will head down the street and find some cold beers for us to enjoy while I'm picking out cloth. If someone else comes in the shop while I'm doing business, he'll quite often
bustle about, getting them comfortable so they don't notice they're waiting....and to get me on my way. The kid even delivered the 60 or so shirts right to the hotel. So when I walk past these guys, as annoying as they can sometimes be in Pattaya and Phuket....they are there to serve and probably would do a great job looking after you.

"Touts" I would describe as people out on the street...not necessarily working for a business, but who's sole income is the commission they get from getting you to spend money at a business.
Perhaps they are guys on Suriwong near Patpong that want to take you to a bar...you want girl?....You want boy? Say yes to question 2 one day and see where they take you!
Perhaps it's a tour guide in Chiang Mai who takes you on a shopping tour, but specifically takes you into certain shops to get you to spend....where the price you pay is weighted down with what he / she gets. I recall they were all over the place in Bangkok in the 90's and they could spot a farang with a girl / boy from a mile away and get them into the Gold shop for the "big purchase".

The guy outside the tailor provides a service for the business and the customer. A "Tout" is just in it for a commission. They'll bring you into a business (any of their "participating" businesses) and hang behind you until you make the decision to open your wallet and make a purchase....to collect their commission after you leave. The guy at the tailor, on the other hand, will be back outside minding the storefront....as he has no impact on the price you will finally pay for any suits, ties or shirts you buy.

This is, in many ways the culture of business in Thailand. Even the folks that sell you something down at the beach, clip your nails or massage your butt pay a commission to the chair vendors.

Surfcrest

[Sooty]

How do you view "Touts" in Thailand? When a handsome guy at a tailor shop wants to shake your hand, do you shake his hand and let him take your time to tout the shop he is working for?Of course not, I treat them in exactly the same way I do someone handing out flyers in the street back home. Either I fix them with a frosty stare as if to question their impertinence or I simply walk past as if they are not there. I don't take their wretched piece of paper and I don't accept their hand. The one thing I definitely, definitely don't do is smile.
If I remember correctly you have been in Thailand many times, so why do you ask so many stupid questions?My sentiments precisely. Where's the "Like Post" button?

[camperboy]

Actually what I want to know is, are touts safe?

Heard a lot of stories about touts bringing (straight) tourists to a bar located on a second floor and then charged exorbitant fees! Local gangsters will be called in for intimidation if refused to pay.

That made me scared hahah

[jimnbkk]

Last time I used a TukTuk to get from Silom soi 4 to where I was staying, my Thai friend negotiated a fare of 60 Baht (he said). When I got to the lodge, the driver wanted 200 Baht. After some acrimonious negotiation he accepted 100 Baht. And, it was the LAST TIME I will ever use a TukTuk.

[latintopxxx]

surfcrest, if u dont mind my asking what do u pay for a shirt ? assume you mean long sleeve business shirts. I buy mine off the peg in China and at times quality is not what I expected.

[Surfcrest]

I believe the price was about 220 baht each...and yes dress shirts...you tell them how you want them made and they'll do it. I think he quoted me a price of 200 baht, but that was based on me ordering a couple winter overcoatsтАж.although IтАЩm not sure IтАЩll ever wear them.
яБК
Anyhow itтАЩs excellent price for custom made / fitted shirts and lots of very good quality cotton and other fabrics to choose from.

Surfcrest

[Nirish guy]

I paid 300 baht on my last trip for business shirts in a tailors behind Tuk Com, wonderful job, ordered in seconds and with almost no english on his part and my just pointing at the material, collars, cuffs etc and cut I preferred, plus as I unexpectedly ended up buying about 13 shirts ( I went in for two) he threw in 4 free silk ties as well so you can't beat that for a bargain. I actually wore one of them to a wedding at the weekend just past and it felt great and a few people actually commented on how nice it looked / fitted and also on the quality of the material so it was certainly worth the effort of my sticking them in my case on the way home.

I do keep meaning to order a few suits as well but just never seem to get round to it or more importantly to find room in my suit case as I always seem to end up close to my maximum luggage weight limit ( even at 30kgs and even if I buy nothing when I'm there ! :-( and to Fed ex / TNT them can I think turn out to be quite expensive from Thailand and possibly defeats the purpose somewhat - mind you I guess no matter what the carriage costs it's still going to work out one hell of a lot cheaper than getting a hand made suit run up anywhere here in the UK I guess !

[latintopxxx]

I've been paying RMB50.00 (BHT255.00) for off the peg shirts at "the fake market'in Nanjing Rd Shangahi. i I'm not impressed with the quality, basically gotta throw them out after 30 washes.
Will definitely look at buying tailor made shirts next time I'm in BKK.

[Surfcrest]

Well...definitely, what makes a good shirt is in how well the collar holds up. I get them dry cleaned after each use, the little Vietnamese shop a block and a half away charges me 3$ a shirt.
I've never tried throwing them in the wash, so I honestly don't know how they'd hold up. Because the paparazzi wants to know, I usually only buy 20....but I ran out between visits last timeтАжand I got (I admit) carried away with the selection. My dry cleaner is impressed with the quality too.

I also buy an incredible amount of ties from Jim Thompson's (Sorry Rush) and so I buy the ties first and match up the ties with the shirts later, with spare shirts in case I ruin a few....ink from a pen...etc....Even if you wear a lot of white shirts, like I do.....the number of different cotton textures, especially in Thailand....is incredible.

I can't tell you much about a suit, although I've seen some customers getting fitted and trying on the finished product and it looks good. A Thai tailor will copy any style you want, point it out in the catalogue, pick up some fashion magazines or photos of the newest high end stylesтАж.and they'll copy it for you in the material you choose. Maybe the quality of cashmere you select, and a lot of that product is coming from the Hong Kong markets, is better than what the original Armani suit is made ofтАжfor example. If you were to buy a comparable suit in your home country at some off the rack place like MenтАЩs WearhouseтАжit wonтАЩt look like an ArmaniтАжthatтАЩs for sure.

In a suit bag, they become an un-noticeable extra piece of carry on that will easily fit in any overhead bin...so you don't have to worry about the luggage weight, so much.

From a workmanship basis, my tailor in Thailand has never let me down in the past 5 тАУ 6 years or so. But itтАЩs like throwing my shirts in the wash; I prefer to buy my suits at home.

Thailand is a great country for shopping in my books. I love the cotton and load up on towels, sheets, T-Shirts, socksтАжfrom Green Cotton, one of the best cottons there is. Unfortunately, this stuff can be heavy....but worth it....especially as gifts for the family that they'll use.

And noтАжback to the тАЬToutsтАЭ, I donтАЩt get a commission for this.

Surfcrest

[scottish-guy]

I've been paying RMB50.00 (BHT255.00) for off the peg shirts at the fake market in Nanjing Rd Shangahi. I'm not impressed with the quality..

Maybe you should try the real market?

:ura1:

[latintopxxx]

where else can u buy a shirt for тВм6??? U know me...always looking for a bargain...not only when it comes to thao "boy' butt )after all why u scots corner the market on frugality. the shirts look fine, infact look like тВм50 shirts, only issue is they dont last as long.

[scottish-guy]

Read my new book "One Flew Over The Latintop's Head"

[lukylok]

I could write a book on the shirts and suits made in Thailand.
I know a little about it as it was my trade - top end - for 40 years.
This article gives a fair idea of what you can expect :
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/t ... ID=1207953 (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1207953)

[adman5000]

I treat touts at different establishments differently.

If the tout is at a tailor (usually Indian or non-Thai), I will tell them I already have too many clothes and walk on by. I do not shake hands.

If the tout is at a massage shop and is a woman, I ignore them. If it is a cute guy, I listen and stop and talk with them. (You never know.) The more handsome they are, the longer I talk.

If it is a bar tout, I usually know them for a long time. I used to hug and pick them up when I first met them and now they usually smile and greet me rather than pull on me (my hand). I usually tease them and have a bit of fun with them. That way they know me and remember me. I do the same with waiters. I am ALWAYS polite with them as they appreciate it and remember. Many years ago I had a friendly talk with a handsome waiter. The guy was a stunner. He sat down by me and we talked a bit and teased each other back and forth. Some years later I walked into one of those ever-changing bars and the manager came over, put his arm around me, and remembered me from like 5 years ago. It was the same guy. He was even more handsome than when he was younger and had really blossomed. I asked him if I could off the manager.

If the opportunity allows for me to have a bit of small talk with the handsome guys I always do. The Thai view that as very polite anyway.

Yes, Bucky's question may seem simple but at least it provides an opportunity to share stories. Nothing wrong with that in small doses. :alc:

[joe552]

I wonder do the Indian tailor shop touts realise how annoying they are to most people? Does it actually work as a business practise? Having said that, I sometimes feel sorry for the ones you see in little sois way off the tourist trail in Pattaya - I often wonder if these guys have done something naughty and are being punished by being given the toughest pitch.

[ceejay]

I often wonder if these guys have done something naughty and are being punished by being given the toughest pitch.
Actually, Joe, I believe these are the places where a lot the actual work is done. Many of the ones along Beach Road are just shopfronts - the actual work is subcontracted out to these backstreet tailors.

[joe552]

I think you're right ceejay, but I think I read somewhere that the actual work is done by Thais in "sweatshops" and the Indians are just the front men. I don't know if that's true or not. I was thinking more of the touts outside the backstreet shops rather than the people who actually make the suits. If you are a "good son" do you get to be a tout on Beach Road and if you're a "bad son" do you get to work Soi Bukow?

I could write a book on the shirts and suits made in Thailand. I know a little about it as it was my trade - top end - for 40 years. This article gives a fair idea of what you can expect : http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/t ... ID=1207953 (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1207953)Excellent article lukylok but let's face it the guys who go where the boys are willing and cheap are the sort of guys who are on the look out for whatever is willing and cheap - boys, shirts, suits, hotels, bars - and that's their main objective (yes latintopxxx I'm talking about you). The article can be summed up in that old saying "you get what you pay for"

[christianpfc]

In case you want to know: I bought four T-shirts this year. The first two were 79 Baht each on Chatuchak weekend market, one was for 169 (?) on a street stall in Pahonyothin road and one for 180 (?) in my local shopping center. If occasion arises, I might buy one more this year.

The tailor touts are a fine example how things can go wrong and end up staying wrong. First there were no touts, and everything was fine. Then one tailor started with a tout and others followed. Now all tailors have touts. Nothing is gained, it costs them money (i.e. your shirts are more expensive) and it annoys pedestrians.

Same for right handed and left handed traffic in different parts of the world. There is no benefit.

[pong]

and you did not look for the 69Bt ones at tesco-Lotus/BigC-with even a warrantee to exchange in case they were faulty?
First T I ever bought in Thailand on visit 2 (I think) was 35 bt or 3/100-with pix of Phi-Phi island on them-long, long before even that movie came out.

[pong]

and back to the OQ:
1.Indian taylor touts I find most annoying-and about the only ones to encounter in where I live nearby when in BKK (cool season-wait just a few weeks). However, tell them in kind of Urdu/Singhala to f//k off and they do-most surprised. They even remember you for next time and may warn other colleagues. The actual sewers/taylors in backrooms are mostly Bangala or nepali, perhaps Burmese too.
2.about gay POH DVD: get them at source, the evening market around Klong Lawd/Lot, nearby Sanam Luang. Mostly str8, but some stalls also have some gay and 2 have large collections-1 even sorted out in categories. Sell for 20 bt-1 or 6/100 (or 11/200-sometimes). Both western, JPNese and Thai, all illegal copies, just plain discs. About 9 of 10 work properly for me-@home, the 5-10% end short or end in bubbles and large squares-mostly the much longer ones (4 hrs or so)-you still get 3 hrs. of good sights. The boys flesh market is just a little further on-as Chris has described. Alas-never hit a Cadinot (my favorite), but plenty of Thai /Asian twinkz (name of old style movie makers).

[Mancs]

Eventually I learnt that the reply to touts of 'mai au krub' went down a lot better than 'mai chai krub'. I'm sure most of us have done some horrible jobs in our time and I certainly don't fancy selling sex videos on Silom or touting suits on Sukhumvit.

I wonder do the Indian tailor shop touts realise how annoying they are to most people? Does it actually work as a business practise?I imagine they're simply doing it to fill in their day and it's really just a front for money laundering.

[christianpfc]

re pong: I don't go out shopping for T-shirts, if I see one I like and the price is ok, I buy it. Gay DVDs at Klong Lot? I think I noticed straight porn, but didn't pay attention. Have to take a closer look next time.


However, tell them in kind of Urdu/Singhala to f//k off and they do-most surprised.
I would never tell a tout to f//k off. My attitude is rather feeling sorry for them having to do that job, and at the same glad I don't have to do that job. With touts and even mamasans, I always stay polite.

[bucknaway]

I've never heard anyone tell a tout to fuck off. I don't think it happens very often and when it does happen it may make the news where the police are waiting for the victim to wake up in the hospital after being beaten by the tout. :sign5:

[urban cowboy-old]

Just ignore them and avoid eye contact.

[loke]

It is the Indian ones I avoid , they are the most aggressive . I say 'No thanks' in Thai to most of these people , and they will leave me alone.

Also the DVD porn guys standing outside of Saladaeng BTS are very annoying , but some of them are cute .

[egel]

Just ignore them and avoid eye contact.
Agreed simples.
Also, never shake hands 'cos they just wont let go.
So all in all no real problem!

[dab69]

I purchased a couple video's from the Bangkok touts and from the beach in Pattaya. I had to go through heck to get them to play. I still can't just play them. I have to go into the file manager and then find the part of the VCD that hold the audio/video file and execute it manually.... None of them were worth the effort! LOL

I just put them in the
hotel DVD player.
It's all in the tech...

[joe552]

I purchased a couple video's from the Bangkok touts and from the beach in Pattaya. I had to go through heck to get them to play. I still can't just play them. I have to go into the file manager and then find the part of the VCD that hold the audio/video file and execute it manually.... None of them were worth the effort! LOL

I just put them in the
hotel DVD player.
It's all in the tech...

great reply, dab69 :sign5:

[bucknaway]

I just put them in the
hotel DVD player.
It's all in the tech...

I don't watch porn in Thailand. Doing that would be the equivalent traveling to Disneyland and sitting down to watch a movie about the thrills of Hershey Park amusement park. :sign5:

[Nirish guy]

Ah but if you're sitting with two or three strangers ( from each other) all perhaps back in your room and all there with the unspoken intent of perhaps having some fun a subtle porn DVD running in the corner can sometimes make the evening start and continue with a bang - or several bangs if you're lucky :-)

My only problem there is that every bloody Thai guy I've meet (claims) to like to watch farang guy porn which is needless to say the exact opposite of my preference when sitting naked with two or three cute Thai guys, but when I weigh up the pros and cons and realise that it's me getting all the pros ( literally) and them ending up with just me instead of the hot, toned butch 12" hung farang stud that they're all drolling over on the screen I quickly shut up, put on their favourite movie and go with the flow as with any luck within a few minutes no ones watching the TV anyway ! :-)

Plus if you've bought your DVDs on the beach it can sometimes be fun to sit with the boys where they and you say watch a movie with one of the Pattaya locals in it and say "OHHH look, there's Bon, I thought he was just a top, wow I not know his cock that big " - and watch the boys faces as they're maybe dreading what movie you pull out next in case THEY are the star in it ! Lol

[bucknaway]

I have a different approach and a porn on the TV would get in the way. So far I have been lucky with all my group events, they were all self starters.
Even when a Thai guy tricked me into having sex with his Farang boyfriend when I was in Phuket.. Could have used some porn then I guess..
And that event was nothing to brag about. I say that because others can share their Thai happenings and we all enjoy hearing it. But when I do it they get mad and stomp their feet saying I am promoting myself! :sign5: And to make it worse is that there are no Thai guys here for me to try to impress into my bed :sign5:

[Nirish guy]

TRICKED you into having sex with him !! Oh this we HAVE to hear !! lol - Go on, PLEASE do tell :-) See, now I've all sorts of things running in my mind, he made you slip on the soap whilst you were all in the shower and OPPS you were in him, or he swapped places in the bed before you woke up and after you having what you assumed was nice sex with your thai friend he turned around only for you to discover he was a 45 year old fat white guy :-) Oh yes, now come on, you've started so you'll have to finish - as I'm guessing your Thai friend said to you also once you realised you'd been "tricked" into fucking with his boyfriend - ha ha that's nearly as good as Colmx "having" to off his thai friend twice lol

And be clear I'm having a laugh with you here not having a go :-)

[bucknaway]

We went back to his place for sex and he had an orgasm before I did (I was being a top at the time... Not my favorite role). And then the door opens and his lover walks in naked. He is already touching me when the Thai guy asks if it is ok if his boyfriend joins us? So I ended up being a top for his BF too (Sigh).

Wow! I just went back and looked at my old Phuket post and in my desire to get out the facts of the trip, I leave out the flavor and dam if I don't sound like a conceited prick! I will see what I can do about that in my coming trip reports. :notworthy: :kap:

[Nirish guy]

Ha ha see sorry but that doesn't so much to my sound like tricked but more like you still hadn't busted your nut yet and when your Thai friend asked was it ok for his BF to join you would by that stage have fucked a goat if there has been one around lol - do I think less perhaps tricked and more perhaps you just taking every hole that was made available to you, don't worry it, you're amongst friends here, you can embrace your true inner slut, we dont judge ( well not much anyway :-)

So the bottom line - you weren't tricked, you were just being a big tart - and congratulations on that by the way !! Lol

And lol at the "sigh" it's such a hard life being a tart eh, all work work bloody work :-)

[anonone]

Plus if you've bought your DVDs on the beach it can sometimes be fun to sit with the boys where they and you say watch a movie with one of the Pattaya locals in it and say "OHHH look, there's Bon, I thought he was just a top, wow I not know his cock that big " - and watch the boys faces as they're maybe dreading what movie you pull out next in case THEY are the star in it ! Lol

Too funny and very true. I mentioned it once before, watching Thai porn with BF is like having a director's commentary track. "That is Pon, he is home now. Have falang boyfriend. That is Tee. He is from Udon and he....."