Giving out bad advice

I gather I am going to be thrown off Gay Button Board today so I just would like to have my say.

I'm tired of getting bad advice from him on his board. First he states rules and requirements that are old and no longer in force. Last night he tells everyone that he takes the time to go to the bank and get a 200 baht letter to bring to immigration even though it is not a requirement just in case they change their rules.

I replied that it was great advice to tell people to go to get this letter at the bank when it was not needed. Smart.

This is his reply:

Delete messageReport private messageQuote message Re: open a bank account in Thailand
Sent: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 am
From: Gaybutton
To: stan

Subject: open a bank account in Thailand

stan wrote:
Letter from the bank when not needed, good advice. 200 baht down the toilet. Smart

My friend, you're on the wrong board for that kind of posting. If you want to write put-down or insult posts, do it on somebody else's board. Your post is deleted.
I suggest reading the board rules: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=76


Well my friend, this is why you have no one on your board. When people disagree with you, what do you do but boot them off. Just because you are silly enough to want to make a wasted trip and pay 200 extra baht you should not give that advice to others. Your board or not it is public information.

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:16 am
From: Gaybutton
To: stan

stan wrote:
Also appears that you deleted you post. That wasn't a put down post that was a disagreement of your post. Are you saying that no one can disagree with you your highness?


Disagreeing and put-downs are two different things. There are plenty of posts on this board disagreeing with me. Feel free to discuss the issue, but if you get personal about it, that's where we're going to have a problem. The rule on this board is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to be subjected to insults, put downs, or any of that kind of garbage - not you, not me, and not anyone else.

If you want to be able to continue posting on this board, discuss the issue, but keep the put downs to yourself. I hope you're not going to force me to revoke your posting privileges on this board, but if you do it again, that's precisely what I'll do.




If you're not sure whether a post is acceptable, you can send me a PM and ask first, before submitting it.

[Dax]

stan-You haven't been around long enough so you can't really be faulted for not knowing how GayBUTT's mind operates. Just say a little prayer for him and be done with it.

In reading this thread Throngpai stated that when he went to the bank he was charged two hundred baht for a new bank book and bunch of paperwork. Of course everyone starts talking about two hundred baht for a new bank book and that is where Button chimes in with his added inaccuracies. Two hundred baht was obviously for the letter from the bank which most residents know is not needed any longer. Button advises everyone that he goes to the bank and pays for it never-the-less just in case one day immigration reverses this rule.

Yes, as of now I was thrown off for insighting an argument all of my previous posting history was also removed as though I never existed but I have other boards and can read his without logging on whenever I need a good laugh or feel a bit constipated.

[Dax]

stan-regretfully, this IS GAYBUTT. I (we) all know this. Learn and move on. You'll never come out ahead with him. Even when he is wrong he is right.

[ikarus]

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:16 am
From: Gaybutton

The rule on this board is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to be subjected to insults, put downs, or any of that kind of garbage - not you, not me, and not anyone else.



What a BS! GB loves to ridicule other posters if for whatever reason he does not like them. He also allows the members of his small gang of "friends" to put down others.
Gaybutton runs his little shitty "message board" as a place with no rules.

[Khor tose]

All of my previous posting history was also removed as though I never existed.

Don't feel bad, he threw me off his board for telling people on another board that he did work for other people in return for free offs and food. It was absolutely true and he never denied it, but good bye Khortose, My only real regret is all the free meals I gave this a..h... thinking he was a good guy who liked to help people. Talk about being 100% wrong about a person.

I hope one day when I m in Sunee that I am introduced to him. It will be an introduction he would not soon forget!

[ainamor]

GB has always adopted a dictorial stance since many years back when he was running gaybutton.com although that was mostly a front for his introduction (escort) agency where he was charging $150 for an introduction.

I did find a photo of GB being gunked for a charity event on one of the boards/ forums / websites so the old boy does his bit for charity. Maybe I should try to find the picture again and post it.

[RichLB]

Aw c'mon, guys. Aren't you over reacting more than a little? Every board has its personality and style. GB has gone to great lengths to avoid letting his board degenerate to a bitch board. It seems to me the purpose is to avoid the kind of inputs characterized by this thread. The simple solution to dissatisfaction with a Message Board is simply not to go there. I admit I am one of GB;s friends and have never observed the kinds of misbehavior his detractors here have accused him of. In fact, I've noticed quite the opposite when he offers newbies to his board transportation to find a suitable hotel, makes trips to relative stranger's homes to solve computer problems, and several other acts of hindness.

[ainamor]

I don't know who edited my post and attached the photo of GB being gunked to my post but it certainly wasn't me.

The photo I have seen is similar but taken from a different angle and also has two Thaii boys watching the gunking.

Maybe if a mod edits someone's post it would be courtesy to note that on the edited post!

[Khor tose]

A, I've noticed quite the opposite when he offers newbies to his board transportation to find a suitable hotel, makes trips to relative stranger's homes to solve computer problems, and several other acts of hindness.

Yes, and in return he gets gratitude from people like me for his help----that is why I bought him the dinners. Yes, you are his friend and I am glad to see you can post something besides your usual "you are right gaybutton." Of course if you ever dared to say anything else you would find out how right we all are to dislike this man.

PS: How did my post about gaybutton end up on another board and why did someone send me an email directing me to it?

[Neal]

Khor tose: Someone copied it from this board and put it on their board. :sign5:

Ainamor: You said there was a picture of him getting gunked and you would have to go look for it. Someone then sent the picture to me in a PM so I added it. My bad for trying to help. If you have another, send it and I will post it for you.

[ainamor]

Ainamor: You said there was a picture of him getting gunked and you would have to go look for it. Someone then sent the picture to me in a PM so I added it. My bad for trying to help. If you have another, send it and I will post it for you.

No problem with you adding the picture, I just think that is a mod edits someone's post it is protocol to note that the post has been edited by someone other than the poster.

Otherwise how is anyone to know if a post has been tampered with or not?

Fair point?

Richlb So you are a friend of his and therefore are biased. His friends are known to kiss butt shall we say? I just did a search on his site for the word stupid. 310 hits and some were made by GB and some were argumentative. Firecat69 had the most but as they were not directed at GB he was not banned. There are some posts such as:

Re: Ladyboys as thieves again...be aware!
Once again, you are making comments that are really stupid. Of course, there are lady boys in the US. Granted, not as high a percentage as in Thailand, but there are plenty. I believe the term ladyboy is not much used outside of Thailand. Would I ...

or:
Re: Best Hospitals in the World
... sample of people. So if you can't learn to post properly here I have no fear you will be removed by the moderator. There are boards where your stupid lawyerly attacks will be welcomed.by firecat69
Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:55 am

or:

Re: MAN-BOYS...Like having sex with mannequins.
... And the number would be even higher at MBK. Diversity is what makes the world go around and criticizing the preferences of anyone is demeaning and stupid. If you don't like where you live then move!!!


and worse. But I guess that as my comment that GB's post was stupid, well that made all the difference now didn't it?

[Neal]

Yes it is certainly a fair point and I have been chastized about it before and just sometimes don't get it through my thick head especially when I am trying to be good.
I will try harder. :notworthy:

[francois]

Aw c'mon, guys. Aren't you over reacting more than a little?

I would say no, posters are not over reacting to GB's demeanour. He comes across as a know-it-all with no tolerance for anyone else's thoughts and opinions. First, last and every word inbetween. What he is like in person is unknown to me.

[CoffeeBreak]

I agree: Gay Butt comes across as an intolerant know-it-all, and arrogant with it. He is also an unpleasant individual with a web site that no sensible person would often read. Gay Butt uses his forum as a means of verbal masterbation(as a substitute for the real thing).

[Dodger]

I'm tired of getting bad advice from him on his board. First he states rules and requirements that are old and no longer in force. Last night he tells everyone that he takes the time to go to the bank and get a 200 baht letter to bring to immigration even though it is not a requirement just in case they change their rules.

I replied that it was great advice to tell people to go to get this letter at the bank when it was not needed. Smart.

Considering the fact that Thai policies and procedures are in a constant state of flux it makes sense to me why Gaybutton paid the extra 200 baht for the bank letter. Nowhere in the post that you are referring to did Gaybutton tell anyone to pay the extra 200 baht for the letter as you have aserted. Furthermore, your statements that you posted here are about as off-target and immature as what you posted on GB.

Your words stan (not anyone elses):

I replied that it was great advice to tell people to go to get this letter at the bank when it was not needed. Smart

The..."Smart" at the end of your brilliant statement was probably the icing on the cake and I would have deleted your nonsense as well just for the mere fact that you pissed me off.

You made your bed - now sleep in it.

Perfect advise from a chap who has no idea of what I was on about. I have no problem with "sleeping in my bed". There are other places to go and other places to share my opinions and I will do so.

The issue here is that this and other individuals who either have talk shows, newspaper columns and yes, forums, speak as though they have a wealth knowledge which we all know he does not. No, Button did not suggest that other people actually follow what his proceedure but it implies.

To comment that what he does is smart when you actually mean he is being stupid or foolish and calling that a violation of rules compounds the foolishness of this person. People are ridiculed to various degrees everyday and yes, on his forum as well, but it seems that it is only when he is shown to be a baffoon does he get defensive like this. I think it might be wise to read some of the subjects that he has made himself look like such and ass and see how he resolves them. They are not difficult to locate and not difficult to see the abusive dictorial behaviour he then demands.

Being on his forum? I could give a toss but he is a horses ass and someone is going to explode upon him one fine day and I hope it to be me. He is a pompus blow hard ass in my humble opinion knows half of what he talks about.

[dab69]

guessing "pm's" aren't confidential anymore.

[loke]

I think Gaybutt is a great personality

So I like both forums , never met anyone in person , so I dont care much about that , forums supposed to be informative . Both forums are working for me.

[catawampuscat]

I think gaybutton was saying better safe than sorry. It is simply advise. If you don't like it, ignore it.
Some of us feel the need to be self-righteous and go on crusades. I hope this forum doesn't turn into a bitchboard..

[Dodger]

Stan, another way to approach these forums is to just enjoy reading the posts you like and ignor the feedback or comments coming from people you don't want to listen to. At least that works for me...no stress attached...no reason to get upset...and certainly no time wasted feeding some weirdo's warped ego.

I don't ever post a topic for the purpose of doing verbal battle with anyone, including the sites owner or moderator. I post because I want to talk about something that I find interesting and hope that some intelligent conversation will follow. It's a hell of a lot easier to just side-step some idiots remarks than it is to try to convince him that he's wrong, especially when his remarks are being fueled by his ego.

GB has a track record for "controlling" topics on his site...enjoys particiapting in almost every posted topic...and often gets upset when someone disagrees with him. That's his M.O. Try not making comments to him at all when he's invloved with a discussion you're part of and you will see that it works. He may not like the fact that you've just side-stepped him - but you're not there to satisfy him, you're there to find some satisfaction for yourself.

[Neal]

guessing "pm's" aren't confidential anymore.

Dab, if you are commenting on a PM that was sent on another board I believe it is none of my business to get involved. All of you asked me not to be heavy handed in editing and deleting and that is exactly what I have been doing. I have recieved several requests from Gay Button asking me to delete this thread and as I have explained to him, I am not going to now get into the middle of this crap by editing, deleting or locking this thread. If others feel I should then may I suggest you tell me but otherwise I will continue to sit and watch the board. :dontknow:

[Dodger]

Neal wrote:

Gay Button is asking me to delete this thread

Neal, your reponse to him was spot on.

[joe552]

Stan, would a solution to your problem be to not visit the site at all? just a thought. :dontknow:

[Gaybutton]

I rarely bother to respond to "I hate Gaybutton" posts anymore, but I'll make an exception in this case and set the record straight about a couple things. The "bad advice" that Stan says I gave was as follows:

"I get the letter and the copies anyway - you never know when the rules will change, and they do change often. I'd rather have it and not need it than end up going to immigration without it only to find out out they require those documents again."

Where did I advise anyone to do what I do? By the way, the fee I pay for the bank letter is 100 baht, not 200 baht.

Stan seems to think I banned him for disagreeing with me. If that's what he thinks, fine with me. Meanwhile that is not the reason he was banned. In the set of PMs that went back and forth that he posted, he somehow forgot to include the final PM he sent. That PM was what got him banned. I think it is reprehensible to post PMs. The "P" in PM means private. I don't think private communications between people should end up on public display on a message board. I think people should not have to worry that what they write privately won't remain private so, very sorry, but I won't post that PM. If private doesn't really mean private, then there's not much point to PMs in the first place.

A photo of me was posted on this topic. The board rules clearly state "unauthorized Members' photographs" are not to be posted. I was neither asked for nor gave permission for a photo of me to be posted. Despite the fact that so many know me by sight, I didn't know that rule applies to everyone but me.

Neal says I asked him to delete this topic. That is not true. I did no such thing. In one of Stan's posts he made a threat. I asked Neal to "do something about it." That's all I said. I did not say anything at all about deleting this topic and made no suggestion as to what he should do about it. If he wants his board to be a place where people can come to make threats, even veiled ones, that's his choice.

As for the rest of the flames, and the ones I know will come once people see this post, enjoy yourselves.

[arsenal]

Neal: I think you should do the decent thing and put GB out of his misery. Resign from his board, invite him to leave this one and then prohibit any further attacks on him.

I find the whole "PM means totally private" quite bizarre and of all the online forums I belong to this is the only one with such a rule. I think of it as a sidebar conversation or, for those of us still working, when you're in a meeting and a topic needs discussing that's of specific interest so "let's take this offline". That rarely means it's somehow confidential, just not of general (or public, ie. not private) interest. If anyone gets a PM from me you can rest assured it's a sidebar conversation not a secret message!

[Neal]

Just to "set the record straight" as GB says, I saved his PMs, very very very very long winded PMs and yes he felt he was being threatened and wanted in the very very worst way the threat as he called it edited or deleted. As the rules state that no pictures are to be printed there are two things here I will point out. This picture was made public as other posters had it so it must be on the web and two, where do you see this persons face or tell tale anything about him other than someone sitting there full of glob?

I resigned from GB's site awhile back Arsenal for exactly this reason. GB constantly sending me complaining emails about posters that he kicked off his board that he wanted kicked off mine. I did not oblige him then and I will not oblige him now except that I don't like people putting me in the middle and lying about what they asked me to do.

Now, I am going to do something against my rules. Yes that's right! I am printing ONE sentence of Gay Button's PM and if you get angry at me so be it but my reputation needs to be intact.

ONE SENTENCE:
Threatened
Sent: Fri 1 Feb, 2013 5:21 pm
by Gaybutton

Neal, I know we've had our differences, but this post by Stan on the 'giving out bad advice' topic is an overt threat and I'm asking you to do something about it.

I feel I am allowed to print my own PM's. Here was a small exerp of my reply:


Re: Threatened
Sent: Fri 1 Feb, 2013 6:02 pm
From: Neal
To: Gaybutton

.............. lots of talk
Basically my thought is that it matters not if I delete it or let it stand as he wrote it, and you already read it and deleting or editing it does nothing. He as well as others (you do see what you do and please no more of your military type excuses) don't like your style and although I never read your other board except this bullshit matchmaking service ad, this is how you choose to run your board and these are the type of reactions you are going to get from time to time. If I run to your rescue everytime someone gets angry at you somehow I am going to wind up getting into the crap with you and I have no desire to do that. I tried editing and deleting and it did not work and almost lost my board because of it and I think that one day you may take notice that the way in which you run your board may not work well.

In ending after this long lecture, I will think about it still but don't hold high hopes because as I said, deleting at this point does nothing.


Now GB as the liar of the year award, you have won and your prize is that you lost your posting privs on this board and you get MY FIST! :laughing3:

[homeseeker]

guy button writes:
"Neal says I asked him to delete this topic. That is not true. I did no such thing".
when it suits his own agenda and purposes gay button tries to vilify, censor, distort, and humiliate posters on his own so called forum with lies and half truths but then tries to come on this far superior and popular site to do his attacks and spread his untruths and now accuses Neal of being a liar etc.
this gay button is just confirming what the majority of people have already concluded about GB.

Thank you Neal for now setting the record straight and exposing GB to be the liar that he really is.

[arsenal]

Neal: I didn't realise you had resigned from his board. Again I urge you to throw him off of this one and do not allow any further attacks.

[Neal]

Yes, when I started getting weekly requests of his I asked him to pull my name off his board and he wrote me back saying he was sorry I was taking that position. While I resigned from his board, I never took him off this board as I never had a request or reason up until now. Gone.

[zinzone]

Congratulations Neal.

[RichLB]

Now I'm confused. From what I read on this thread, GB has been vilified, besmirched, and castigated by several users here. The only thing I can see that could justify this is his advising someone to go ahead and get the account verification letter from the bank before going to immigration. Actually, he didn't even do that - he said that that was what he did, not what anyone else should do. This resulted in the vendetta from users here. What on earth is that about? Ok, you guys don't like his message board style. Does that justify the adolewcent name calling and threats in this thread. Frankly, I don't understand how you guys can devolve into such behavior on a message board. Good grief, it's just a forum supposedly for the sharing of information and reactions to things Thai. Why get so bent out of shape over such a minor thing?

[Neal]

You missed one sentence that you stated in your earlier post a page or two back:


I admit I am one of GB;s friends ......

I do believe you might be just a tad bit biased and in the minority on this.
I think Arsenal is correct and we need not dicuss this anymore. GB is gone, Stan is quite aware the rucus he has caused and we should get on with our other discussions.

[Neal]

and in reality the initial problem for me, the threatening as he called it, is immaterial to the outright lying about having asked me to edit, delete, possibly ban (??) or in other words, do something about it.

[Khor tose]

Congratulations Neal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js

[Neal]

All I can do is :sign5:

Amnesty and an apology
by Gaybutton ┬╗ Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:09 pm

There are some former board members here who were banned, not because of anything wrong you did on this board, but at the request of and in cooperation with another board owner. I think many of you know what I'm talking about and I'm not going to get into that. I'd rather just move on. I'm not going to be sucked into a board war.

However, since there has been a major falling out between me and that board owner, I now publicly and sincerely apologize for having done that and regret having cooperated. If any of you who were affected by that wish to return to this board, you are welcome to re-register and do so. If you choose to return, all I ask is that you abide by the posting policies of this board.

[joe552]

I love a happy ending :party

[Neal]

I'm sorry as I had promised others that I was going to leave this and let it die a swift and painful death but the accusations that are being made on the Gay Button board has made me have to respond yet again.

This absolute crap about deleting people because he was asked me to do it is just that, crap. As most remember it was not I who arranged that letter of partnership between jinks and he. It was HE who wrote that letter of jointly banning people and it was he who wanted people jointly banned in order to have power or a fist over people. It was I who said no and cancelled that agreement within 24 hours of jinks making that agreement and posted my feelings.

While I admit there was a friendship of sorts between the boards it was not I who sent emails all the time booting people off my board because they said I was a doo doo head and wanted them banned on other boards as a result. There are several of you and I will not reveal your names who I even contacted and told you that Gay Button had written to me and asked that I ban you and that I would not. I asked what in blazes you did to him and I ask you to make some comments here and let it be known.

Now that GB was caught as being a liar and it was shown in his own words, he backs up and wants to reverse it and say that it was I who wrote him. Untrue. It was I who responded to him constantly and tried to talk reason with him and calm him down and explain just why I was not going to ban someone at his bequest.

I did not ban beachlover and a host of others that he requested. The only one who was banned was LMTU and that was when the first person was banned by jinks and I would have banned him anyway. Bao Bao is quick to take his buddies side but most of you remember why Bao Bao left. It was his constant nagging of me about the Ladies Welcome sign at my bar and then going back and editing a post that he made the day before and that's why I implemented the 8 hour limit on modifying your posts.

I never wanted Gay Button to ban people and always said that because I never wanted to be indebted to this man. Amnesty for those he kicked off his board at my request? Hog wash. He wanted those he kicked off his board for trivial violations to be banned on here and even another board which he is pals with but I refuse to name in order to gain power over your subjects and make them conform to his power. So that he could say screw with me and I will have you instantly banned on three bords. He wanted those who wish to post to kiss his royal ass? But not because of lies you are spreading to save yourself.
In 48 hours you have lost all creditbility. This is why about 6 months go I asked you to delete Daboss from your board. I was just tired of your demands.


PS And in trying to close yet again, I will say that both forums did share information on two trouble users one being that of Ronthai who was member for a long time on GB board after he was booted from here and Brithai who changed his name on GB to Bertybenny and then on to Timmberty. As many of you know it is quite difficult to get thrown off my board. Many of you can attest to that as I sent numerous PMs trying to explain and fix the problem first.

PS
It could have been anything ranging from a warning PM to the offender to putting him on moderated mode to editing out that portion of the post to a post saying the board does not condone threats, etc.

Asking me as he said to edit or delete portion of post is exactly that. Issuing a warning and any type of moderating is this boards business and job and I will not have another board owner to tell me how I should run this board.

[kjun12]

Been a couple of posts lately concerning he who calls himself GAYBUTTON, I think that it is more than safe to say that he is a controversial character. I will start this by saying that I don't like him. He has been characterized on various boards as, depending on who says it, a helpful person, a nice guy, an asshole, a mean person, a control freak or a no good bastard. He, of course, has his coterie of professional kiss-asses who try to ingratiate themselves to him by throwing laurels at him but he often turns on them like the viper he is. He is definitely grudge bearing and a mean spirited control freak.

He kicked me off of his board because of a series of personal messages between he and I in which I was trying to persuade him that he should not be so heavy handed in his boards operation. He then persuaded the person who owned the gaythailand board to do the same. He further tried to get Neal to do the same on this board but Neal refused. Thank you Neal.

Recently he has offered an "amnesty" to those he kicked off of his board and he blames the other board administrator for his dirty deeds in disenfranchising them. What a lying bastard. He was the one who tried to organize this cabal to agree that if one board kicked a person off the all did it. Now he is trying to blame others. What a low-life.

[loke]

Both forum mods needs to calm down , you act like some kids, if you want to have the best forum in Thailand for gay people you should try to be professional .