Palestine - the UN vote on Statehood, 29th November 2012

[Liamog]

Will your country hold it's head high as one of the majority of the worlds nations, taking a moral and principled stand in support of Palestinian statehood in the United Nations General Assembley on 29th November 2012. Or is your nation one of the immoral minority bowing to Isreali/US pressure and supporting the continuence of illegal occupation, genocide and torture.

The information below relates to a UK campaign to get David Cameron to support the motion but it's relevent to people from all nations.
In 72 hours, the Palestinians will take a bid for statehood to the UN -- it could be the best chance for peace in decades. If the Palestinians win their UN bid, it could begin to end the 40 years of occupation, and pave the way for two states.

Thankfully it seems the majority of nations worldwide are in support of this. The US however is exerting pressure on the UK and others to abstain. So much for supporting democracy in the middle east.

The UK has not yet pronounced its position and is deciding right now. Let's make sure the UK commits to freedom and peace in the Middle East now. Copy and paste the link below to join the massive campaign:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_the_w ... bb&v=19569 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_the_worlds_next_nation_uk_rb/?bsGtIbb&v=19569)

This is a legitimate, non-violent proposal that could turn the tide on endless US-led talks that simply provide cover for the steady illegal colonization of Palestinian lands by Israeli тАШsettlementsтАЩ. This bid is totally consistent with the UK's post arab spring policy to support democracy and freedom in the Middle East and it could rescue the path to a fair peace process between two states.

While the Israeli and US governments are calling the bid тАШunilateralтАЩ and dangerous, in fact the world's nations overwhelmingly support this diplomatic move away from violence. And the UN, World Bank and IMF say that the Palestinians are ready to run their own state, if only the occupation would end.

Last year the US blocked a Palestinian bid at the UN Security Council. But in the UN General Assembly, all nations vote, and this resolution could end the US/Israeli hegemony over this conflict. It can't make Palestine a UN member, but it can declare Palestine a state that could have access to a range of international organisations, and it is a crucial step towards ending the occupation.

Europe holds the key to this chance for freedom and peace -- if we can persuade the UK to stand on the right side of history and back a Palestinian state, with firm support and financial aid, this could be a turning point. Join the petition and send a direct message to urge our government to support the bid:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_the_w ... bb&v=19569 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/palestine_the_worlds_next_nation_uk_rb/?bsGtIbb&v=19569)

Palestinian statehood will not bring a resolution to this intractable conflict overnight, but UN recognition will change the dynamics and will begin to unlock the door towards freedom and peace. Across Palestine, people are preparing, with hope and expectation, to reclaim a freedom their generation has never known. Let's stand with them.

MORE INFORMATION

Palestinian bid for upgraded UN status (BBC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13701636

Gaza-Israel conflict adds tension to Palestine UN bid (The Times)
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/1 ... ine-un-bid (http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/11/15/gaza-israel-conflict-adds-tension-to-palestine-un-bid)

Gaza conflict: world holds its breath for first Netanyahu war (The Week)
http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/50 ... nyahu-war# (http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/50108/gaza-conflict-world-holds-its-breath-first-netanyahu-war#) я┐╝

The US and Israel threaten to withdraw funds if Palestinians go forward with the bid (The Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/se ... n-campaign (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/19/israel-punishing-palestinians-un-campaign)

The full Palestinian resolution which will be tabled at the UN (Inner City Press)
http://www.innercitypress.com/palreso1icpga110812.pdf

Click here to make Palestine the world's next nation!
http://www.avaaz.org

[latintopxxx]

I will most definitely support the infant murdering bomb throwers once they've paid the Jews 2000 years of back rent plus interest...as well as compensated the millions of jews who have been murdered out of their homes in arab/north african shit hole countres.....its called Jerusalem for a reason....like hello....

[Liamog]

I will most definitely support the infant murdering bomb throwers
You are correct in that 129 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinian groups since September 29, 2000. In the same period 1,477 Palestinian children have been killed by your friends the Israelis. Neither sides infanticide is justified however the Isrealis win your 'infant murdering bomb throwers' award by a ratio of over 11 to 1.


once they've paid the Jews 2000 years of back rent plus interest........its called Jerusalem for a reason
If we're validating territorial claims from 2,000 years ago then I presume you support giving the US back to the native americans, northern Europe to the Celts and Germanic tribes, southern Europe to the Romans, Russia to the Cimmerians, north Africa to the Berbers, Egyptians and Nubians? And not forgetting giving Judah/Isreal to the Assyrians who conquered them and claimed homage from them - that would be President Assad in charge in Jerusalem!


like hello Only two types of people say 'like hello'. Eleven year old girls and sreaming queens. Which are you latintop?

I'm really glad you're on Isreal's side in this debate. It's kind of reassuring.

[atri1666]

Well done Liamog. Not everybody is blind for reality.

[latintopxxx]

oh finally...another halfwit...maybe the two of you can move to hamas country and see how far they respect your sort there.....simply no hope in rescuing propaganda regurgitators like you.....no thinking permitted.....I'll be in very gay welcoming Tel Aviv...

[atri1666]

Enjoy!!

[Liamog]

The PLO seems to be winning it's battle to get Palestine recognised as a non-member state of the UN. Isreal continues to threaten to punish the Palestinian Authority if the move is approved by the UN General Assembley tomorrow. Not surprisingly Isreal is particularly keen to stop Palestine becoming a member of the International Criminal Court, not something most 'civilised', 'law-abiding' states would fear. The problem for Isreal is that if Palestine is a member of the UN sponsored ICC, the body would be tasked to investigate numerous allegations of Isreali war crimes against the Palestinian people.

Sadly the Obama administration is continuing to tow the Netanyahu line threatening to stop Palestinian aid if the move is appoved. The UK has decided to vote in favour of the general resolution but supports Isreal in denying Palestine membership of the Internation Criminal Court. Thankfully the UN General Assembly (representing all member states) is a much more progessive body than the Seurity Council and looks set to ignore the Isreali/US move to water down the resolution.

Palestine - an idea whose time has come.

TEL AVIV, Israel (Ma'an) -- Israel is seeking the addition of a clause in the PLO's UN bid rejecting membership of the International Criminal Court, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported Tuesday.

The UN General Assembly is expected to vote on Thursday on a resolution upgrading the PLO's status at the world body to a non-member state.

Israel and the US oppose the move, and Israel had asked the US and EU countries not to enter talks with the PLO on the bid, Haaretz reported.

Following warnings from senior US officials that President Mahmoud Abbas would not back down from the bid, Israel is negotiating with Washington to alter the wording of the resolution, the report said.

Haaretz reports that Israel wants the PLO to include a clause stating it will not request membership of the International Criminal Court, where it could charge Israeli leaders with war crimes.

Israel is also seeking a clause stating that the decision grants the PLO no sovereignty over occupied Palestinian land and a commitment to renew negotiations without preconditions.

Britain has indicated that it will support Abbas' UN bid but wants assurances that the resolution will not be used to join the ICC or other UN bodies, the Financial Times reported Monday.

Britain is also hoping Abbas does not use the resolution as a basis for seeking full membership of the UN Security Council, the FT added.

A senior Western diplomat said Monday that the Palestinian Authority has circulated a revised draft of the proposed UN resolution.

The diplomat said only minor changes were made to the text distributed on Monday, which seems certain to win UN approval as the General Assembly is mostly made up of post-colonial states historically sympathetic to the Palestinians.

If approved, the UN resolution would "accord to Palestine Non-member Observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

The latest draft resolution, obtained by Reuters, also reiterated the Palestinian Authority's commitment to the "two-state solution" in which Israel and an independent Palestinian state would co-exist in peace.

Israeli leaders have proposed several responses to a successful UN bid, including toppling Abbas and refusing to transfer Palestinian tax revenue which Israel collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.

A senior Israeli official told Haaretz that Israel plans to withhold Palestinian revenue immediately after a vote.

The move is likely to be temporary as it could leave the PA unable to pay its security services, which coordinate with Israeli forces in the West Bank.

The United States has also suggested that funding for the Palestinians -- and possibly some funding for the United Nations -- could be at risk if the PLO seeks the upgrade.

"We think the money should go forward in the interest of the Palestinian people, regardless of whether their leaders make bad decisions," US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said on Monday.

"That said .. we have said to the Palestinians, that they should not count on a favorable response from the (US) Congress, if they go forward with this."

A 1990s US law prohibits American funding to UN organizations that grant full membership to any group that does not have "internationally recognized attributes" of statehood. The PLO is not seeking UN membership.

[Liamog]

European countries seem to be falling in line one after another IN FAVOUR of the principled position supporting Palestinian statehood. France, Portugal, Denmark, Austria, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Russia, Luxemburg, Ireland, Cyprus, Belgium and Malta have all indicated they will vote in favour. Seems Isreal and the US are going to be very much in the minority tomorrow.

My principals done let me have sex with guys who are circusized so I never have sex with Jews or Moslems.

My principals done let me have sex with guys who are circumsized so I never have sex with Jews or Moslems.

...nor, I presume, with most Americans, or a significant percentage of Brits, Europeans, Australians, Canadians, etc?

There used to be a guy went around the bars with a flashlight so he could inspect the boys bumholes for any trace of hair. Do you do something similar for foreskins?

Just asking.

:hello2:

[Liamog]

The UN General Assembly just voted overwhelmingly to recognize Palestine as a non-member state. :party

The 193-member assembly voted 138-9 with 41 abstentions for the resolution which enables the Palestinians to join UN agencies and sign international treaties. :occasion9:

Despite 'fierce' opposition from the United States and Israel only a riump of 7 other states voted against the resolution; Canada, the Czech Republic, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Panama. :pottytrain2:

[atri1666]

Some comments of the opponents have shown their real face.

My principals done let me have sex with guys who are circumsized so I never have sex with Jews or Moslems.There used to be a guy went around the bars with a flashlight so he could inspect the boys bumholes for any trace of hair. Do you do something similar for foreskins?How else do you think I can check for crabs the white undies are very useful coz you can often spot where the crabs have been if your a bit of an expert like me.

[Neal]

Really I do not know what that had to do with the thread and it is in poor taste but in th spirit of everyone talking about editing or delting, there ya go. May I only suggest brisbaneguy that before you insult "Jews and Moslems" you learn how to spell them. :dontknow:

What spelling are you talking about sport?

[Neal]

I shall tell you like my mother used to tell me, look it up in the dictionary. And while you are at it your other hurtful post also.
My excuse is that my fingers like my body are fat as so many people like to remind me and I miss the keys. What's your excuse, sport?

Ok so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Moslem

What was the other word you wanted me to learn what to spell???

[Neal]

Did you read that?

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[Narakmak]

Excuse me, but Hamas in Gaza does not want peace and they clearly have genocidal intentions.
Blame it all on Israel? I think not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mid ... story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/hamas-leader-khaled-meshal-denounces-israel-at-anniversary-rally-in-gaza/2012/12/08/b311c70c-4179-11e2-a2d9-822f58ac9fd5_story.html)


Tens of thousands gathered for what was billed as both an anniversary and a victory celebration after last monthтАЩs conflict, during which Hamas fired rockets toward Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Meshal, who has led Hamas from exile, used the occasion to reiterate the groupтАЩs long-held principles, calling for тАЬarmed resistanceтАЭ to eliminate Israel.

тАЬPalestine, from the river to the sea, from north to south, is our land,тАЭ Meshal said, тАЬNot an inch of it can be conceded.тАЭ

Narakmak, if you wish to persuade others towards your viewpoint then citing the opinions of "The Washington Post" doesn't necessarily help.

[Narakmak]

Narakmak, if you wish to persuade others towards your viewpoint then citing the opinions of "The Washington Post" doesn't necessarily help.
Oh please. It is a news story with exact quotes. Not an opinion piece.

Oh, please - every newspaper piece is an opinion piece - don't be so naive, it doesn't have to say "Opinion" at the top.

And before my personal stalker, Brad, jumps in - I've read it.

[Narakmak]

OK, how about Al Jazeera? Is that too pro Israel a source for you?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 61786.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/12/20121284378161786.html)


"Palestine is our land and nation from the [Mediterranean] sea to the [Jordan] river, from north to south, and we cannot cede an inch or any part of it," he said.

[Liamog]

Hamas claims all the land as Palestine (which it was until 1947). The zionists claim all the land as Isreal (which it apparently was 1000 years BC). So your point is?

These extremes are in effect negotiating positions now. Everyone realises that there will be a 'two nation' solution. President Abbas, the leader of Fatah (the biggest Palestinian group affiliated to the PLO) has confirmed as much. So have the less extremist Isreali parties. It is also the declared position of the UN and most world states.

What is stalling movement on this two nation solution is not the position of Hamas (as Isreal could bypass them completely and negotiate only with the PLO, as it has done many times in the past) but rather the continued refusal to negotiate by the current lsreali governement. This refusal is aimed at delaying any 'peace' so Isreal can continue imposing its racist policy of ethnic cleansing and land grabbing on the Palestinian people; by bombardment, murder, torture, abduction, aparthied, illegal settlement building and withholding of revenues.