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May 27th, 2006, 16:13
I see poor Jane Marple is struggling to understand (let alone explain) what's going on in Thai politics over on The Bog of Shame, so here's a handy guide for the puzzled

The three pillars. In a democracy these are known as the separation of powers between the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary. In Thailand we have the Monarchy, the Army and the Monkhood. When you see the head of the army announce that the Army is and always will be subject to the elected government of the day, you can mark that down as the beginning of democracy in Thailand. Until then ...

Political parties. Traditionally there have the Democrats and the rest. The Democrat Party was (and probably still is) the only quasi-democratic-style political party in Thailand. The others are fiefdoms of the gangsters and regional warlords who control Thailand

Snouts in the trough. Gaining influence and pork-barelling is ancillary to Western politics. It is the sole purpose of Thai politics. You get elected and form a government solely to advance the interests of the political faction to which you belong

Thaksin. A former police general who, on retirement, was granted a highly lucrative police contract for the supply of computers and telecommunications. There was no transparent process to grant the concession and it was a monopoly. Thaksin has never looked back

Thai Rak Thai. Supposedly this means Thais Love Thais but it's rather more chauvinistic than that - Thais For Thais is probably a better translation. Essentially Thaksin couldn't bother spending the time building a majority political party in Thailand so he spent some of his fortune buying one. In the run up to the first Thaksin government the press was full of stories about how much money Thaksin had spent buying leaders of the various Thai parties and factions to join TRT. It is a grand coalition based solely on Shinawatra family money, and you will know when to believe that Thaksin really is leaving politics - TRT will fall apart. It didn't do so last month whe he said he was "stepping aside", so there should have been no surprises when he said he was coming back

Do elections matter? The upper house is dominated by members and hangers-on of the 500 families who it is regularly asserted really run Thailand. Nothing an elected government does will be allowed to threaten that vested interest in the short term

The street protests. Like the Tianenmen Square episode in China, saying that these are solely about Thaksin is simplistic. The growing Thai middle class is beginning to realise that they have little real representation within government. Like the movement towards true parliamentary government in the late Middle Ages in England or the revolt of the American settlers, or the French Revolution, the aspirations the protests embodies will have more and more influence - but largely only in Bangkok. Most Bangkokians are first generation whose priorities are towards supporting their families in the rural hinterland. Their children may have more of an interest in being involved in the government decisions that affect their lives

May 27th, 2006, 16:19
Where is the smurfing Hedda ?

Aunty
May 27th, 2006, 17:20
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The three pillars. In a democracy these are known as the separation of powers between the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.

That's not actually correct. It does apply to the US organization of Government, but under the Westminster System of Parliamentary Democracy there is no separation between the Executive and the Legislature, (all members of the Executive are, and can only be, members of the Legislature) and nah a written constitution may be in sight.


The street protests. Like the Tianenmen Square episode in China, saying that these are solely about Thaksin is simplistic. The growing Thai middle class is beginning to realise that they have little real representation within government. Like the movement towards true parliamentary government in the late Middle Ages in England or the revolt of the American settlers, really??? I thought it was more likely a revolt by the American capitalist elite bitching about paying their fair share of Britain's tax.

May 27th, 2006, 17:36
Thai Rak Thai. Supposedly this means Thais Love Thais ...
I read someplace that TRT really means "Thaksin Loves Thaksin." :happy3:

May 27th, 2006, 18:02
but under the Westminster System of Parliamentary Democracy there is no separation between the Executive and the LegislatureAre you saying that the Executive and the Parliament are one and the same? What about the concept of the Opposition? Not that I believe Wikpedia to be infallible, but this comment is illuminating about the separation of powers in the UK - "The Executive is drawn from the Legislature, and is subordinate to it. Since the Executive is drawn from the leadership of the dominant party in parliament, party discipline often results in a de facto situation of Executive control of the Legislature, although in reality MPs can reject their leadership and vote against them"

As I recall it was the New Zealand-born former Premier of Queensland, Joh Bjelke-Peterson, who seemed to have the same struggle over the separation of powers concept as New Zealand-born Forum member Aunty clearly has. Joh couldn't answer a question on the topic when forced to take the witness stand during a Royal Commission into why his style of government was so corruption-friendly. Like New Zealand, Queensland has a unicameral parliament

May 28th, 2006, 07:42
That's not actually correct.I'd stick to nuclear physics, dear, or whatever it is you claim is your day job.

Aunty
May 28th, 2006, 11:59
Oh touchy uptight little thing aren't you? I can see why you're so popular round these parts.

May 31st, 2006, 00:12
Nobody gonna introduce the Finland plan lol?