So, what would YOU have done ???

So, last night I found myself in a unique situation (for me anyway), so we all laugh and joke go go boys telling us " oh I just work in bar two months" etc and "you my only customer in one month" etc, which while we all may like to believe usually take with a large pinch of salt.

So, last night I offed a 22 year old cute guy from kawai ii, before I offed him even though I normally don't bother he mentioned something about being new so to be sure I asked him "what you do" to which he replied " I do everything" - I sensed he perhaps did quite grasp the question and do asked it again and explained EXACTLY what it meant in graphic terms, to which he smiled and said "it ok, I like, I do everything" so I offed him. On leaving the manasan took him aside and you could tell was giving him a bit of a lecture to which he simply nodded a lot, she then came to and said "really, he new, if you not happy please come back tomorrow and tell me and you get money back etc.

So, back in my Apartment as we were there for the night we were sitting watching TV ( scooby doo joe ! :-) and talking and it became apparently I honestly WAS his first EVER customer and he had only been working in the bar 8 days as his "sister" ( not really his sister I understand) who he lived with had taken a new job and I think she had basically told him" ok time you stood on your own two feet" so she got him that job and room and away she went and left him to it, told me he actually thought hs was going to be a doorman and was shocked when they asked him to dance on his first night but thought it was only for one night so said ok as he didn't want to cause trouble for his sister and surprise surprise every night thereafter was the same hence me becoming his first customer.

So, after him taking 40 minutes in the shower ( alone) eventually he came out and got into bed and I asked was he sure he wanted to do this, explaining he absolutely didn't have to, he said he was and so we continued for a minute or two, however became apparent to me that he had NO idea what he was doing either for me or re his own body so on stopping and talking he admitted he was a total virgin in every sense of the word and the only ever sexual experience he had had was with another thai guy when he was 14 and that didn't involve fucking.

So, again we stopped - and I want to emphasise this and can't express it enough! - I / we totally stopped and I just lay and hugged him and explained that perhaps he should take this time to really think about what he was doing as I felt he was doing something he certainly didn't want to and being blunt wasn't perhaps experienced / mature enough to be doing, explaining that tonight he did not need to do anything and we could just talk etc to help him and That I wasn't angry etc ( which god love him was all he was worried about)

So after about an hour of talking where we covered everything about what his new job would REALLY entail and the sort of guys he would Be likely to meet and what they would expect from him etc, right through to " are you sure you're even gay / like boys ( I think he was bi actually) - anyway after a long chat and with no coaxing from me he said " ok, I want to try as if I have boyfriend I need to know how to do" so acting as a mentor rather than a customer perhaps I took him through the ropes of a typical gay sex session ( including some go go tricks to get your customer off fast so you can get out of there quicker should he decide to remain in his job) so he tried getting fucked but obviously hurt the first time so stopped before getting to it feeling good part so we done other things, each one being new to him, which I won't bore you with but resulting in us both cumming where of course like all "str8 guys" with a gay guy he then couldn't get out the door quickly enough he was that embarrassed. :-)

So, just for conversations sake as I am quite happy with my own actions but what would YOU have done in the same situation ? - threw him out the door for lying ( he didn't get where that simple lie would eventually end up) or carry on regardless without any care for his feelings or stop entirely and bringing back to bar to say he really shouldn't be working thee as he wasnt able / mentally prepared for it etc or advise him to leave Pattaya and go back to his village and not look back and consider this a close shave to a different life he undoubtedly didn't want - or something different ?

I'm very aware others may have their own opinions and may slate me re my handling of the above but all I can say is in the circumstances as they presented themselves I dealt with things as gently and practically as I could as I figured if "I" didn't tomorrow night he might find himself with a less understanding / patient farang who would either hurt him or get him fired. So what would YOU have done ??

I believe I would of done the exact same thing you did if I was convinced that this really was his first full encounter with someone. I do not think I would have tried to fuck him as I would prefer to leave that first experience for him to someone else. I think you did great and it showed concern for him.

[Neal]

I think what you did was absolutely outstanding! Really. I know a few people on this board like Latin (yes you) that would have fucked him to death and done all sorts of things without a second thought. I know a few that would have opened the door thrown him out and given him nothing along with trying to get the bar fine back.

I think what you did showed that not only are you a horny sex pervert, but one with some understanding also!

Ha just to be clear I'm not THAT nice as with the slighest bit of encouragement I would have fucked the life out of him too ;-) and the worst was he did "try" and was actually " all the way there" so to speak and I was telling just give it a minute and the pain will go away and then you'll see and he couldn't didn't wait and jumped off, of course hurting himself even more ! - I don't know who could have cried more at that point, me or him ! Lol

I did also think that all my talk was cheap without actually showing him
That lots of gay men go / have gone through the same thing in funding out about first time gay sex so on getting him hard ( which he said wouldn't happen but did ) I bottomed for him and all of a sudden his interest peaked and gods natural rhythm kicked in for him and he DID enjoy that - and I have to admit it was as horny as hell sitting on top of a cute guy with a hot body getting HIS rocks off for the very first time - I almost felt proud of him in a strange way lol as it was like watching a boy turn into a man lol - I actually told him that later and said he could "really" call himself a gay man now and HE was very happy about that - so I guess that part was a win win situation for both of us :-)

I should also add he sucked cock like an absolute professional and when I quizzed him about this he said he'd been watching lots of porn to try and learn and someone had told him to imagine he was eating ice cream ! - wow, whoever that was you have my thanks as inbetween the "I cannot, I shy, I not like, maybe I like, ok I want to try, ok I try again, ok I like, numerous conversations he done a great job in that department :-)

[joe552]

I have to agree with the others - I think you handled this very well. Kudos, NIrish Guy - you're not the heartless bitch DaBoss said you are.

[cdnmatt]

I don't know, but do you speak Thai at all? Sounds like you guys had a pretty lengthy conversation. Was it in mostly Thai or English?

No I only speak English Matt and he only spoke bar english and while of course I'm sure he only got a quarter of what I meant we'd loads of time and went over things several times so I'm quite happy that he understood certianly the gist of what I was on about, such as when I was asking was he sure he even liked guys more than girls ( ie was he gay as I am aware if the difference here) we were able to talk about what he REALLY thought about when he was jerking off etc and not what he wanted people to believe et and I've been in Thailand enough to know not to rattle on and to keep it simple and use simple to understand phrases even if they don't fit in English quite so well and I'm also smart enough hopefully to know when the person I'm talking to ( or in this case lying bed beside quietly talking to each other) gets it or not and I'm confident he got most certainly of my intent - and the bits of 100% Thai I didn't get as he was trying out various things didn't need translated in any language as they were from the international language of "oh my god that hurts wait a minute!" book etc :/). But as he was able to converse about his sister, his extended family, having to live with his grandparents as his divorced when he was young and him still having a piece of concrete that he "attacked" with a bread knife as he was that frustrated as a kid about that as you can imagine his English whilst basic wasn't that limited we couldn't understand each other with a bit if effort on both parties parts.

I did ask him where he'd learnt his English and surprisingly he said from TV ! And we were able to chat about his favourite shows ( he liked scooby doo to as a kid apparently - go figure:-) so it wasn't all just what your name, where you from stuff - far from it.

[joe552]

what will you say when you report back to the mamasan?

You know juice been wondering about very thing myself all day !!

I've been torn about whether a) not to give a damn and move on as I'm on holiday and it's not my business or b) go have a quiet word with the manasan ( although I'm actually aware the manasan but one of the old time guys "acting up" as the manasans away for a few days so is there even much point) but just to call and quietly say they need to be careful who they send him with as with the wrong farang things could have ended up very differently than last night and also maybe have a word with the guy to see IF he should actually be working in the bar at all and could be not change jobs perhaps even - but I'm guessing short of getting customer complaints ( of which I have none) I doubt they'll "really" give a shit one way or the other ( no offence Neal) and more importantly I wouldn't mind just saying hi to the guy himself just to a) see did he go back ( I'm sure he has) and is he ok and has decided to carry on etc ( and make a mental note to revisit in six months prehaps to finish old business so to speak without all the drama (see, not so nice now eh ;-))

[joe552]

I think I'd be tempted to go back and see if he is there - maybe buy him a drink, so the mamasan can see you were "happy" with him, have a chat and see if he plans to stay (up to him, but he surely knows now what it involves) and leave it at that. Of course, you've no responsibility whatsoever to him - but you kind heart, so I think you'll go back at least to check he's okay.

Lol damn you joe I'd just about talked myself into not having to bother going back but now after reading your last post I guess I'm going to HAVE to now :-).

[joe552]

glad I was able to help :occasion9:

[martin911]

It sounded like you were the perfect "first farang" for a new boy to meet --and they all have to have had one !!


BUT to me a lot of it does not add up !!(and i dont mean to to knock him/or you for the sake of it, )
He said to you that he had not had sex with a male since he was 14 yo :kap: -- --thais will have sex with anybody and everybody esp teenagers -- its all one big grey area lol !!! -
If you listen to the gay guys while they are online/in a club cruising etc --they mostly ALL want "poochai "to fuck them (like him !!)
And from the sounds of it there is a hell of a lot of "poochai" in Thailandwho will fuck the young toot/gay/ladyboy types --so i would doubt he has not had sex with another male in the last 8 years - for him mostly horny teenage ones !!!!

Oh and the bit about how he was 8 days already in the Bar but you were his first customer -- all the mamasans push the new boys to the farang customers - they will have him marketed like you would not beliveve---there is no way in hell he lasted 8 days "a virgin " --he is the fillet steak of that bar for the short while it lasts --many farang want the new guys !!

Sucking cock like a professional -- from porn movies -- cmon -- :laughing3: :laughing3:
Good english from the TV ??? --
and the bit where he said he really liked that now he could could be called gay because he had a dick inside him for a while --NO WAY does an up to now poochai guy really like to now be called a gay !!!
I know a lot of gay thais (-not the toots gay guys ) that likeyhat if its not so obvious that they themselves are gay --my own BF loves that many people doesnt know he is gay on first sight -- (he likes being called poochai -although i think he looks like cute gay !!


He had all the lines too -- oh i shy /ohi not like/ ,ok mabye i want try /oh mabye i like little bit :jok: :jok:

So he has you thinking about him a lot the next day ???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thai boys -- little rascals the lot of them !!

If it was his first time he was lucky to have been treated like he was by you ,but to cycinical old me it sounds like he had you wrapped around his little finger
Ye had a nice evening tho :love4: :love4:

now with that im off out into the nite to nab

[pennyboy]

haha :-) :-)

Thai 1 farang 0

[ceejay]

Yes, there are one or two things that don't add up to me - but it wasn't me, and I wasn't there, in the room, at that time. Nobody can do the right thing all the time, but what you can do is what seems like, and feels right, to you at the time, so kudos to you NIrish Guy. As to what I would do in similar circumstances, who knows? It would be a different place and a different time, with different people involved.

[christianpfc]

I think you have done very well. I would have done similar.

So there are bars that have no training for their new boys? I thought that was one of the privileges / perks of being a bar owner, to train their new boys? Neal, what do you do with new boys? Surely, after 8 days the other boys must have told him that this job is more than dancing in underwear.


It sounded like you were the perfect "first farang" for a new boy to meet --and they all have to have had one !!

And there are boys who had dozens of "first Farang".

[joe552]

christian, I think you make a very good point - whatever the mamasan told him, surely the other boys talking among themselves would have given him a clue as to what was expected? when I read martin's post I thought he was just being cynical, but now I think he may have hit the nail on the head. those of us who only travel for short periods are more prone to believe the stories - those that live there have seen and heard it all before.

so, NIrish Guy, by the time you read this, you'll have been back to the bar (or not). be very interesting to hear what happened.

[gaymandenmark]

I would have done the same as Nirish.
I am sometimes a sexmaniac, but come on, sometimes it is nice just to be nice and dont force anything againts the boys will.
In a situation, like nirish, I might even ask the guy, if he wanted to sleap over night with me.

Ok so at the risk of looking like a complete dick but for the purposes of transparency and complete honesty lol :-) so I went back to his bar ( actually thankfully rather than having to do a whole big going back to the bar thing I bumped into his manasan whilst parking my motorbike) and on relating some of the story he looked a bit surprised and said that the boy had told him that he does 50/50 ( quote) and that the one other customer ( so that was a lie :-) that took him off said he fucked him - so either the customer was lying to protect the boy if he got the same story as me OR the boy was lying through his teeth lol - I guess I'll never know, the cynic in my ( and I'm ALWAYS a cynic In Thailand) believes he was full of shit but the human in me also knows when someone's uncomfortable / sore etc and he was that - so who knows :-) I'm not claiming one thing or the other is correct, god knows, Ill just chalk it up to one of pattayas many rich life experiences ;-)

Meanwhile it's now 5.21am and after spending a night out with an old off from a go go bar who ended up hammered and spent the rest of the night crying telling me how much he loved his BF of only a few weeks but who hadn't sent him any money wtc I've just dispatched him and one of his coworkers is in his way up in the lift ( thanks to gay Romeo) little do they both know to replace each other :-)

[lukylok]

Just my two bits of salt. I had a fairly similar story, when I offed a boy, and while not pretending he was a virgin, I was his first paying customer. We had a good evening though he couldn't perform and kept saying he was sorry for that. He tough managed to make me perfectly happy.
I met him two days later, he was working as a waiter, and he told me it was better suited for him.
So even if experienced in sex, there is a first time with a customer.

[zinzone]

What would I have done is your question:

With respect OP I really cannot be bothered to read through all your nonsence as the "bottom" line is he was useless and could do nothing though you were told and promised otherwise.
Stop being so effing nice to these whores and if you have the balls (which I doubt)you ought to have fucked him hard or simply made sure you got properly compensated from the bar for your wasted time etc., and also made sure the stupid little creature did not benefit from his uselessness.
Dear oh dear:
it ain't rocket science.
If a service is promised and it ain't given then there ought to be consequences and none of this pussy footing around; its the likes of the OP and his ilk who encourage these non performers and just cause the rest of us problems.

... its the likes of the OP and his ilk who encourage these non performers and just cause the rest of us problems.

Actually zinzone, whilst I cannot speak for the OP, I personally don't give a flying fuck about whether the boy you off manages to stuff it up you 10 times a night or not. I feel no "collective responsibility" to try to ensure that my actions or payments do not affect your future interactions with rentboys.

Now, since you appear to think everything is a matter of black and white, is that definitive enough for you?

:occasion9:

Oh whatever Zonzone, people like you depress me so much I can't be bothered to even respond to you.

[Dodger]

Zinzone...every time you speak the term "uselessness" brings on a whole new meaning.

NIrish, I think you handled the situation well, and did so because you have this little ingrediant called "compassion" which some (obviously zinzone) seem to be lacking.

You don't have to tell the mamasan anything because she already knows.

[Narakmak]

That's all well and good but if the guy wants to be a sex worker, sooner or later he is going to have to actually do sex work. I speak as an ex-sex worker myself!

[Neal]

Believe it or not, I was also when I was in shape and young. I have a picture of myself when I was about 20. I wasn't so bad and I did ok!
Anyway if this truly was his first time, and I know many lie to possibly make it easier, then I think NIrish did the right thing. He was warned the kid was a newbie and while yes the kid decided to get into it, it doesn't mean that its ok to rape him. That would have been a horrifying experience for the kid and most positively would come away fro the experience with horrible thoughts. I know for some of you , that's a real turn on and you just don't give a fuck.

[Narakmak]

Of course nobody should be raped but if he doesn't learn his trade sometime, he needs to stop representing himself as a sex worker. It is work like any other. You need to deliver a product or service or you have no business expecting money.

[Neal]

I fully agree but I do think that if it is a genuine virgin and he has not done it before, you can treat him like a human being as NIrish did rather than a piece of meat. Since NIrish was warned, it was his choice to take him or decide that he did not want to give him a rough start.

[Narakmak]

Normally such virginals can accept a BJ without any longer term trauma. Not a total loss!

Exactly Neal, but dear, considerate Narakmak is concerned that if he offs the same boy next week he might not get his cock up the boy, therefore his whole world will fall apart and it will all be NIrish's fault for paying him and thus letting him off with being penetrated.

Narakmak is determined that he must get his money's worth irrespective of what the boy wants or feels.

Similarly, Christianpfc has posted that such errant rentboys "need to be taught a lesson"

Jesus - talk about sex-obsessed!

:occasion9:

Oh, just before I press "submit" (highly appropriate btw) I see Narakmak has posted that in the case of "virginals" he might settle for a BJ - so i guess that's progress and I should see him in a more favourable light.
If he would now tell us what percentage reduction he would make in the virgin boy's tip in lieu of not accepting it up his arse, we can judge just how understanding he is.

[Narakmak]

Dude, I don't participate in the prostitution scene in Pattaya at all. Don't make assumptions. Also I am not a top. I was making general comments. Don't you dare distort what I have said to suggest I am in favor of raping or rapists.

[Neal]

Sure. If he were unable to give and receive a bj and was not able to at least be a top (which I understand he was able) then it would have been a total loss. If he were new at getting screwed, I think taking it slow and easy rather than the approach of "YEAH I got me a virgin", and screw him hard and heavy and stuff like Latin says he likes to do, well I don't condone it. Latin, I am not saying you would definitely do it although a good portion would and say "he is a sex worker and should please me any way I want and that's that".

SG I see your new post. Yes, many would reduce the tip considerably. I don't know. There are those people. All you have to do is look at a few previous posts.
SG you say you remember me from Prague. I am going to say his name cause he is not a member and I don't think the rules cover non members, maybe I am wrong. Remember John P? That would have been a fuck him and I don't care and since he was a virgin, I pity the boy!

Nakarak, I could swear previously you made many comments about the go go boy bars of Pattaya and taking boys off, no? We also don't need this "don't you dare" we are having a discussion. Hey it isnt a restaurant. And BTW thanks for responding to my PM regarding restaurants. :occasion9:

[Narakmak]

In my distant past dude. Not for many years. I HATE that scene! Its for TOURISTS.

..Don't you dare distort what I have said to suggest I am in favor of raping or rapists.

I made no such suggestion. I'm sorry if you feel I did.

In any case, since it has been mentioned - rape is not about sex, it's all about power, and anal (or vaginal) penetration absolutely need not take place.

:occasion9:

[bruce_nyc]

Wow. Some are so cynical, makes one think that all Thais are lying all the time. :scratch: If that is so, please don't crush my fantasies.

NIrish, I think you were behaving like an exemplary human being. You were not just thinking of yourself, and what you could get out of this unique situation. You were thinking of the young man's best interest. That is definitely to be honored.

I can see why you'd be curious about what others would do... because I think we all know what some others would have done.... as has been mentioned above.

I too see myself as "the perfect 'first farang' for a new boy to meet". I would never abuse anyone. And if I can't tell that he's totally "into it", and enjoying it, it would be a major turn-off for me. I cannot hurt someone. (unless they're enjoying 'being hurt' ;) )

I see these young guys as human beings --- my equals --- and I respect them as much as I respect myself, or anyone else.

I don't view sex as demeaning in any way... if it's done with compassion and 'love'.... yes, love. (It is possible to express love to a complete stranger, and with sincerity.)

I too love to talk with guys, and get to know them. I see them as complete people, and I want to hear their story.

I think it's sad if we get so cynical that we simply assume that every sad story is a lie just to extort money out of us. I believe most of the stories we hear are true. (Besides, if you care enough to invest money... You should do your own due diligence and verify that the story is true before throwing money at a situation.)

This young man obviously knew what he was getting himself into by the time you met him. (Even if he had been a dancer on stage for only eight days, he certainly knew the score within eight days.)

At the same time, a first experience is a first experience... and it is to be honored.... It deserves the respect you gave it. In the end, it really doesn't matter if this was his first time, or second time, or third time... Maybe he will have dozens of "first clients". So what. At least he will be eased into the business... hopefully without a painful rape scene.... (until he wants it to happen).

These guys are human beings.... our equals. I think it's important to treat them as such, always.

Having said all that, I don't condone boys or mamasans lying about what he will do. If he's not ready to do it, neither should be telling you, "Yes. I do everything." That's flat out lying. And I would tell the mamasan about it later, in no uncertain terms. Not to get the boy into any trouble (other than for lying)... But to prevent a horrible situation for the boy, the next time... when a horny top offs him with the understanding that, "Yes. I do everything." That is a total set up for a bad bad situation... an accident waiting to happen!

Mamasans should never lie about what the boy will do, and should never allow the boys to lie about what they will do either. Not only is it bad for business, but it really endangers the boy. The lying is the part I would complain to the mamasan about. I would not demand my money back, but I would make it very clear that I do not appreciate being told, "Yes, everything is good." ......then being told a completely different story as soon as we get home.

No matter how virginal and inexperienced a guy is, there's never a need to lie about it. That's not ok.


Stop being so effing nice to these whores and if you have the balls (which I doubt)you ought to have fucked him hard or simply made sure you got properly compensated from the bar for your wasted time etc., and also made sure the stupid little creature did not benefit from his uselessness.

And as a sex worker, if I encountered someone like this... who tried to rape me... I would scream and scratch and claw and bite and kick balls and punch the mother f***er in the face.... until he was properly subdued. Then I would spit on him and leave. F you.

If you don't respect these guys, and you show such disdain and outright contempt for them... then you deserve what you create. In that case, I hope karma is true. You deserve your own miserable unhappy life. That, at the very least, will be your punishment.

Bruce, you have the right attitude.

As for what you have quoted zinzone as posting - if those are his true feelings and what he would really do in the situation NIrish found himself in, then he ought think very hard about what the consequences could be.
If he takes a look at certain video footage that we have all been talking about recently, he will see what sex-workers can be capable of.

:occasion9:

Well said....Bruce....i believe in people being equal and think it is arrogant for some farangs to think they are superior to the Thai boys and not treat them with respect

[Impulse]

Treat them as humans first, sex workers second! I would have done same as you Nirish. In fact I'm sure many of the bois I have take advantage of me as they can tell I'm a nice guy, maybe a sucker to them. I don't think they should ever be in pain and suffer just because they need the money.

[joe552]

it's good to see that most of us (posters) see the boys as humans, rather than 'trade' and want more than just a sexual experience. it's possible to have anonymous sex with someone without degrading them. some (maybe more than most) seek something more than just anonymous sex. our relationships with the boys may be more fantasy than reality, but they are at all time human. we should try to remember that

[gaymandenmark]

I like to see most of the responses on this topic.
When I was a child my mother learned me a very simple rule:
Treat others as you want to be treated yourself.
That means to me that I respect the people behind any kind of work, being it a CEO, a taxidriver or a sexworker.
Of course if you make a deal you are supposed to get what you are paying for.
But for me a sexworker is not just a peace of flesh. I do not only feel satisfied because I have fucked that guy, but I feel satisfied if we had a good time together not only in bed.
Maybe I am writing this because, even in my mid 50ties, I will say 50/50 is for free and the other is with "a gift" in the end.

Let me give you an example, some years ago I was together with a really cute boy in Pattaya. I knew he was into it because of the money, but he was also into find a nice farang longtime. I was not able to give him the last thing.
Well he talked abut his cats, and I told him about my now dead cat. He did almost invite me to come and see his cats, but soon changed his mind.
I can send pics of my cats he said smiling, I agreed: send to my email.
For your information I have never send him money, after some suspicion I made him a friend on Facebook and he is still sending me pics of his cats :happy7:

What do I want to say with all of this? Well I suppose: treat people nice, and you can have nice acquaintances, even if there have been money involved.

PS Sorry for my misspelling, a littlebit to much rose wine. :occasion5:

[joe552]

nice post, gaymandenmark :notworthy:

[gaymandenmark]

nice post, gaymandenmark :notworthy:

Thank you Ms. or Mr. Wilde :hello2:

[francois]

What I did do with a first timer was to laugh, reassure him, paid him and said "next time".
He was so nervous that he was trembling and not out of excitement! Twas an experience I had my first time with an older man; frighting.

[martin911]

NIrish -late reply i know -

To me and and im sure any decent person who reads this board you cert do NOT look like a complete dick as you ment in one reply earlier -- its EXactly as you yourself described ---it has been one of the many rich Thai experiences that sometimes we are LUCKY enough to come across from time to time !!

Whatever else happened/or was said --- you and he had a nice time together and it sounded like you treated him exactly as he should have been treated if indeed it was the case his first time :gy:

Its really good to read some of the responses from joe/b ruce/gayd / etc (too many to name ) - re our attitudes towards the Thai boys --

Even one idiot like zz is one too many as far as im concerned (but unfortunately there are more than him from what i hear )

Heard something disturbing yest and il open a new thread on it later

[christianpfc]

including some go go tricks to get your customer off fast so you can get out of there quicker should he decide to remain in his job
Can you elaborate on this?


Similarly, Christianpfc has posted that such errant rentboys "need to be taught a lesson"
That is correct but out of context. There is no aggravation or revenge from my side, the lesson is simply "no money, no honey" or rather "no cum, no money". And this only applies to boys who are plain lazy or try to get away with lying. Yes they can, but without my money. And you cannot deny that there are boys who are lazy and who lie knowing that there are lenient Farang. They (the boys) make a fool out of them (the Farang)!

The original post was a different case. I would have dealt with it in a similar manner. (No anal intercourse necessary, I am easy to please, as long as there is an effort from the boy's side and we can leave the light on and I can bring my favorite underwear into play.)

"Respect" was mentioned. I treat all my offs with respect and and expect the same. If I pay for zero service, they will point me out to their bar friends "Look at that retard, I told him my mother is in hospital and he sent me away with 500 Baht".


What I did do with a first timer was to laugh, reassure him, paid him and said "next time".
He was so nervous that he was trembling and not out of excitement! Twas an experience I had my first time with an older man; frighting.
But someone has to show them how this job works. Better you or NIrish Guy than latintopxxx or zinzone.


Twas an experience I had my first time with an older man; frighting.
Are you speaking for you or for the boy?

[bruce_nyc]

I'm curious, DaBoss, have you ever overheard any boys saying something like this to each other... like exchanging info about who the big tippers are, who the cheapskates are, who the suckers are, etc...? (I'm assuming you understand enough Thai to understand their conversations?)

[joe552]

that's one hell of a big assumption about DaBoss' language skills, bruce (no disrespect Neal - just a joke). but it's common knowledge that the boys talk among themselves and know who the good tippers are and who to avoid - just ask NIrish Guy - he's known as a generous man with the whiskey and a kind heart too (even if he does have a small cock) :sign5:

[bruce_nyc]

Oh now.... You KNOW.... This just begs the question.... How do YOU know? Oh yeah. Don't tell me. All the boys told you....?

I'd take a big heart and a small cock, over a big cock and a small heart any day... :thk: And whiskey never hurts either... in moderation. :tongue1:

I can't wait to meet all of you when I get there.

[joe552]

I have to protect my sources, so I'm saying nothing more about NIrish Guy until he's had a chance to respond - presumably after he's shagged half the boys in Pattaya tonight :sign5:

[Neal]

Just catching up on this one. I know some Thai words but not many and several are used only when I am not happy.
LOL! Yes, the boys tell everyone everything. How big you are, what you did in bed, how much you paid, there are no secrets. For us it is something that is kept private but to them it's sharing info so that their friends know what they are to do and how to please you. Also they know if you are very cheap.

[anonone]

Just catching up on some posts of late.

NIrish...well played. I imagine I would have handled it in a similar fashion. I have had offs where I could tell the guy was in discomfort, if not out-right pain, and we just moved on to other activities. As long as the attitude is good and respect is there, always a way to have some fun. It has been said many times before, but treating the guys with respect and having a fun attitude goes a long way to a successful evening. Thankfully, I have not run into the issue of an outright lazy, uncooperative guy who has lied about activities. Maybe I am either lucky or skilled at choosing companionship, but hopefully I never have to find out how to react to that.

I am sure the gogo boys talk to each other about their customers, including tips and activities. But a couple of additional thoughts... It does not always mean what they tell each other will be truthful. A poochai is not going to blab about bottoming for a customer, or a boy with a steady, generous customer is not likely to proclaim such as to invite some competition. There are levels of friendships (Acquaintances?) among the guys, just as you would imagine. Some will share more with select others. No black and white rules here.

Also, even knowing some Thai will not ensure you know what is going on. BF has a tendency to speak Lao with his friends at times when I am around. We joke often that I am learning Thai to know when I am being talked about, so now they speak Lao. I am sure that if I started learning Lao, they would magically learn to speak Korean. :sign5: This is a no win game.

One additional advantage to having BF. He has great skill and knowledge in knowing who will be fun companionship. Guys that I would have never chosen on my own have turned out to be great fun. And very little chance they attempt to get a call from the locked out room-mate. :tongue3:

[francois]

My first experience with an older man was frighting to me. I just made an excuse and ran.

[bruce_nyc]

Did that just happen recently...? Was it anyone we know from here on SGF...? :nud:

[francois]

Are you asking me, Bruce? My experience happened many years ago in my twenties.

[TOQ]

Are you asking me, Bruce? My experience happened many years ago in my twenties.


The "Roaring Twenties" maybe :laughing3: :love4:

[PeterUK]

This interesting thread reminds me of a post on the long-deceased Dreadedned board, in which the poster said his inexperienced Thai companion was 'quacking with fear' in bed. As suspected, it turned out that that was not quite what the poster meant to say, but I much preferred the mis-typed version.

I'm catching up and oh where to start ! Lol

Firstly joe you are entirely wrong about your assumption !! :-) ..... I am not a big whiskey buyer !! Ha ha nor am I known as one :/) and with regards to my cock size - ha I was going to say only my mother and I would know that but in tte context of this board that sounds SO wrong ! Ha ha however what I will say is that when beating the Viagra into one at the regularity that I intentionally am whilst on holiday to "keep up" even a man with the smallest cock ( and I'm not including myself in that list lol) would I'm sure be happy with the outcum :-) plus of course Thai boys no matter what the actual size of ones cock will always come out with the immoral line " ohhh, you so big:-(" as they lower themselves onto you ( or maybe that's just with me after all :-) to ensure their tip by boosting your ego - or again maybe with me it's just plain fact ! Ha ha I guess unless you're paying 1000 baht joe you'll never know ( yes this week I am THAT cheap lol )

Oh and re your " screwing half of pattaya last night" - no not half only two ( a 3 some actually) ! - well and showering with one other but tgen kicking him out ( long story) and groping a lady boys MASSIVE cock with one hand while driving a motorbike with the other as she shoved it in my back as we drive back to her room !! - so all in all actually unfortunately quite a quiet night actually but as all of that has resulted in me waking up with what i believe is referred to in polite company as "a dose of the horn" lol I intend to make up for that this afternoon :-))

And Christian re what tricks do the boys use to get you off - REALLY ??:-)) come on, you can't expect / want / need me to go into all that as I'm sure you know ways to get a guy off just as much as I do, bear in mind this was a newbie I ( thought) I was talking to so I was just covering the basics of fingers up bums and nipple play and scrotum holding etc etc nothing I'm sure you don't already know about :-)

... with regards to my cock size....only my mother and I would know that...

I find this slightly worrying - unless of course your cock has never grown beyond toddler size?

:ura1:

Ha ha that is a very go point scots and one which hadn't occurred to me lol, I was merely suggesting as I'm obviously such a shy creature that only my mother and I may have seen it over the years, but I guess even I'm going to have trouble trying to pull that line off and get away with it on here lol.

And OH pattaya :-) for all it's faults where else could you wake up horny and within minutes have a gym fit, muscled top ( who turned out to be a great bottom too :-) stud arrive at your door to take care of you - and take of each other we most certainly did - twice each he he, never mind going out now I think I'm ready for bed again ! Ha ha - oh well maybe just one quick run out to see what's happening out there :-)

[Neal]

Oh don't worry about them Irish, we know you so big, yes? :snorting:

[francois]

Are you asking me, Bruce? My experience happened many years ago in my twenties.

The "Roaring Twenties" maybe :laughing3: :love4:

So, you remember that encounter also? :hah:

[piston10]

A short, first-hand anecdotal confirmation of what DaBoss says above.

During my last, two-month stay in Jomtien I got into the habit of visiting the hole-in-the-wall host bar X-men. (Something of a misnomer, perhaps, because you won't find there an abundance of what many on this forum regard as 'men'!) There are few great beauties there, but the boys are cheerful, easy-going and very welcoming. I offed a number of them on a fairly regular basis. The fourth I offed stopped in the middle of serious business and said 'I want you...' - nothing very dramatic, but a positional thing I enjoy and that I imagine not many customers ask for. When I had time to think about it, I realised that number three had put himself in the position two days earlier without being asked. It then dawned on me thatevery boy in the bar knew about it, and everything else about me too, including my tipping habits.

In fact, they seem to have a joint, if unwritten, business plan that goes beyond sharing information. My butterfly habits are well-known - and appreciated, I think, with a mai bpen rai. When I have clearly made my choice the others smile in congratulation and back off; though I suspect there is an underlying message of 'OK, but it's me tomorrow'. There's a joint effort to keep the farang horny and up to the mark. Once, when I was leaving with a boy, another little rascal tapped me on the shoulder and whispered in my ear, 'He want you f... him strong tonight'. Revenge for not getting the job himself, or an investment for the future? I also think the fact that they know all there is that is relevant to know explains why a few boys do not woo me. They know I'm not their cup of tea, or vice-versa.

I have no problem with any of the above or their sharing of information. It seems to make for good service, unproblematical encounters and is all really rather jolly.

[mikelele-old]

I would have done the same thing too. This way, he is better informed about what might be expected of him and then he can also decide if he wants to continue in this line of work or strive to move on. As for offing someone like him; well it makes a nice change I suppose - and I think the experience is more meaningful for both. Just IMO.