Strange people on GR

[gaymandenmark]

There is one strange farang, living in Thailand/BKK

He always writes things like this on thai boys guestbook, and in capital letters:

ANOTHER STUPID IDIOT THAI DON T WASTE YOUR TIMES WITH HIM.

I find it very strange, because I have seen him make the same comment on many profiles, and I have never seen him writing anything nice about another guy.

Well I think it is himself who has a problem, because in fact I have known some of the guys, where he writes his comments, and there have been absolutely nothing wrong with these guys.

[adman5000]

I also think some people go onto GR only to disrupt things and make trouble or are possibly anti-gay and feel they are doing something nasty to forward their own agenda.

Yesterday, I had the same reply from someone who I wrote a pleasant greeting to and another whose profile I merely visited. They were two apparently totally different people, but yet I got the same rude message back from both at approximately the same time. It said something to the effect .... you make me sick, etc etc. I told GR I thought someone had hacked their site. IT was either that or someone has entirely too much time on their hands to try to insult others they do not even know for no reason.

Or sometimes it is a person in Ghana who somehow tracks others coming online. Those are always some type of ruse

Speaking of freaks and nutters on GR what about that crazy SOB "german oak" - hell he must have left a HUGE (and rambling message) on just about every Asian guys profile in just about every Country in SE Asia, now there's a guy needs to get out more !! ( or thinking about it maybe I do as otherwise how would I even know that I guess !! lol )

[gaymandenmark]

Well I did wrote his profilename in my post at first, but then I thought I was going to much into his privacy and it would be improper.

I was curious if some of you knew him.

[christianpfc]

ANOTHER STUPID IDIOT THAI DON T WASTE YOUR TIMES WITH HIM.

If someone writes stuff like this it says more about him the the person he comments about.

There are a few guestbook spammers on gayromeo.

[Neal]

And I have yet to figure out how to do all these things on GR except to see who is online at that moment. :crybaby:

[gaymandenmark]

I think he needs a braindoctor, on his public profile, he has face pics, pics of friends or colleagues, as well as pics of his dick and ass.
At the same time he decribes that he is into big loads with a pic of his own cum :8(, but I have to say he is not handsome :laughing3:

Oh come on Neal :-) it's not THAT difficult - on the left hand side "guestbook entries " and if any one has left on there you go.......very handy when you read on some cute pattaya thai guys profile " I just arrive pattaya, I not work in bar, work in hospital, want to meet nice farang who understands me for true love only, i not money boy" - and you then click on his guest book to find 30 entries from guys all over the world dating back several years ALL saying "thanks for the great night, you've a great cock" or "moneyboy" or "Keep away he's a THIEF" or all the other various tit bits of advice and comment that people have left over the years lol - I'm always amazed the boys never check them as they could very simply edit and delete any replies they wouldn't want shown there, but amazingly they don't seem to, I can only assume that they too must not be aware of the availability of that particular function - thankfully :-)

[Neal]

Oh I can view their profiles once I have their username and I can see their pics, although I have never checked this guestbook. I can send messages and receive, but I can't figure out how to do the different searches except for who is online now. I guess that's all that's important. And I can't get to contribute page so I can see these XXX pics but upgrading my membership! The donate box does not dome up except for the 3 month auto renew. Funny how ni=one come up except for that one!

Ah the contribute page, can't help you there I'm afraid as being in Ireland where very few use GR ( thank goodness) they allow us permanent free VIP access :-) ONE of the very few perks of being a farang who does NOT live in SE Asia for a change :-)

[martin911]

There are very very strange people on GR (farangs )

I was shown one message a few mornings ago by a thai guy that he had just got from some farang (i dont rem the user name but it wasnt german oak -it was styled of letters followed by numbers --ie sadman12345 if you know what i mean ...

Along the lines of this (he deleted the message after showing it to me )

-hi i want meet you
i want to fuck you ,shit on you ,and whip you
I want to come to your room NOW !!!
Where are you NOW ????
I know where your friend LIVES TOO
I wont use any condom and you will like it more

I will only pay you 800 b !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and other abuse in that frame !!!!!-

He is one sick puppy --


If i had the user name again id hand it over to a few people !+++++++++++++

Ok, Latin, it's ok, you can tell us, so, was it you or not then ??? :-) ha ha - god that's bad that you're name popped into my head the instant I read that ! lol

[Dani69]

I note today the the Infamous "German Oak" is no more. *DELETED* Offline тАУ German-Oak-Special (Profile No. 8495521)
was deleted on 6/15/2012. :party

dont get your hopes up as I think I read somewhere that someone had used his profile name so he was changing it slightly or something to avoid confusion or some such thing, as you can bet that someone with such an obviously mental illness to flood the way he does ( hey Beachy it's not YOU is it ??) is sure not to be able to stop as he'd go into a mental melt down !! :-)

[lonelywombat]

I dont think this is invasion of privacy. If he is so aggressive and "so butch" then give us a name. I do not like these ' no condom" guys. I would suggest he needs testing

I already have my choice picked out, but do not have the time to check out.

to be fair whilst the guys post may have been a bit "O T T" if it was a private message he sent to someone else ( and not even you) then I don't think posting that on here or anywhere else for that matter is quite right as we all should be able to expect SOME sort of privacy when sending PM's to someone surely. It would be different if he'd been personally abusive or something perhaps but all he did was send a ( fairly graphic ) sex request ( albeit a fairly gross one) and like everyone what disgusts one person just might be what floats someone else's boat.

[latintopxxx]

Hello......I'm royalty...I don't do no. 2s....
And when I hit up on a whore i do it in person...haldf the fun is the hunt...or should I say...negotiation....
And actually when i read the thread totle I thought it was an autobiography by a447....hahahaha...

[vnman]

I was just scrolling through GR. Didn't see anything really special but one guy really got me laughing. His profile said:

I want people to take care of me. You can have sex with me and I can make money available. You may be thinking that I was a child prostitute or not. I may love and not love. It depends on what you think.
I've been trying to translate this but it's open for many interpretations. Thought it was really funny though.

Edit: He's 20+ by the way

[TravellerDave]

I used GR quite a lot during my 3 weeks in Pats. Before contacting a boy I always check the profiles but that idiot German Oak is a menace.

[vnman]

Here is another one:

I only look for sex on this site I, am not interested in friends, relationships or boyfriends.

I read, write, speak and understand the English language only. I am not Thai. If you send me message in Thai I will delete and then block you. I was born and raised in USA.

I am very interested in 3somes and groups for sex. This is always a turn on. I also, like when someone watches when I have sex. If I have friends with me I will expect that they will watch us have sex. If you have a friend or roommate this is good too.

Anyone who is married, has a girlfriend or in the military you are at the head of the queue.

I have only the one picture here and do not do picture exchange or cam.

If you are a moneyboy tell me in the first contact. Do not ask me for food, taxi, fee, room or any other bullshit thing you can think of. You are a moneyboy so, be honest. Tell me how much you want, how long you will stay and what you are willing to do. Then I will decide if, you are worth it. I will not counter offer so, if you overcharge I will not reply.

Do not say to me, "up to you" or "how much you give." If you do I will not reply. I HATE THESE PHRASES.

I also, have no interest in supporting your family so, don't tell me about, any problems you claim to have. We all have are own problems.

If you are a moneyboy I am only interested in meeting you one time for sex. I have no interest after that. I want variety when I must pay.

I will not pay high season rates. I live here all year so, I will pay a fair price not a stupid farang high season rate.

If you do not want any money at all I might be interested in meeting again as, long as, you don't keep sending me messages.

I always meet someone the first time with a Thai friend who will check your current id and keep it until, we are finished. He will make sure it is valid, current and that you are 18 or older. I have no, exception to this so, don't ask me. Fake id's are given to the police.

My friend will confirm with you in Thai the arrangement you made with me so, you cannot claim you didn't understand me. I have learned many of your tricks of the trade but, I know you will always come up with new ones.

Remember most of the above applies more to the moneyboys not anyone who truely just wants to have fun. I assume correctly most of the time that if, you are a Thai in Pattaya on this site you are a moneyboy 95% of the time. I know many farangs here that turn out to be moneyboys as well to pay for their travels.

I always meet during the day. I am not a night person so, when you see me here at night I am at home looking to book an appointment for another day during the week. I will not meet you at night period. Don't ask me "are you horny now." The answer is no. I always look here after, I have had sex for the day. If you are "horny all the time," I suggest you get professional help.

IF YOU ARE A PROSTITUTE YOU HAVE ABSOLUELY NO RIGHT TO DARE ASK FOR A PICTURE!

You should charge all customers the same rate. The customer is there to be serviced not please the whore.

Be sure you have read my entire statement and comprehend it, if you do not understand please, consult with one of your more educated friends and they will explain the arrangement.

ALL MONEYBOYS SHOULD PLACE A PAID PROFILE HERE IN THE ESCORT SECTION. ALL MONEYBOYS SHOULD ALSO PAY BUSINESS TAXES ON THEIR EARNINGS.

WARNING: Too all the moneyboy clients; always remember the moneyboy is working for you! Most lie, cheat and steal. While I myself sometimes pay for quick release you can find plenty of decent men here that will not take anything. To all the guys who walk around here with their "boyfriend" (moneyboy) you really look foolish. It's really funny when neither of you even have a common language. You are fooling no one but, yourself. And when you take them back to your home country they are only looking for your passport and of course cash. Quote end



Holy cow!

You know - the thing about this guy's tirade is it strongly suggests to me that here is a guy who has had bad experience after bad experience, who has been taken to the cleaners on many occasions, stolen from, cheated, and who may even have ended up in serious trouble over the age of some of his sex partners. Why else would somebody go to the lengths of drawing up what is basically a para-legal "Terms of Business" statement.

The most ludicrous aspect is that he then expects these "moneyboys" who he clearly has no trust in whatsoever, to comply with his sex-contract conditions!

It reminds me of a rather weird guy I knew professionally. He had been accused of attempted rape by a woman (his argument was that she had consented) but he was found not guilty. He then had a lawyer draw up a "sex-contract" which he thereafter presented to each prospective sexual partner for her signature before the dirty deed took place.
As in the movie "Carry on Henry" - I can just imagine the legalese saying something about the joining together of the party of the first part's and the party of the second part's parts.

[gaymandenmark]

vnman I think this is the same guy, who got me starting this topic. he is only negative in his profile and only write negative comments on thai guys profile.
Never one nice word, he must have a sad life.
If I knew a guy in a profile, who was a robber or a killer I would of course write a negative comment on his profile. But like he does, no way.
Well often I am thinking why d├│ some people only have bad experiences, even with people with whom I have no problems?
Like flies around a shit.

[bucknaway]

It's the internet... People are nasty, mean and negative when they can hide behind a screen name. Even here we don't allow anyone to talk about anything positive and good in their life and if they do they are attacked. On there, if a Thai guy has everything a man needs than this guy will attack them. Same-same...

[dorayme]

I haven't been able to post negative comments on GR since they apparently go to the profile owner for his approval. There are a few who more than deserve negative comments.

[bucknaway]

I wrote a reply but erased it. I will wait to read more of your posts before I take you too serious :hello2:

[thrillbill]

What I find unbelievable is how some Thai guys on GR will use an old photo of themselves and post it on their profile; then they show up at your door and they are 10 or 15 years older ...not having that firm, muscular body of theirs as posted on their profile. I've had to send a couple guys back (with 200 baht for transportation) for "false advertsing" . True, we all want to post the hottest picture of ourselves, but to use one from decades ago is quite amusing. :laughing3:

[donald1]

I have to agree with Thrillbill but ......in the same breath I have to say i believe the Farang posters on GR are guilty of the same thing. Hell if I saw all the farangs from GR at the beach it would be nothing but 30-40 year old "fit" easy going guys. The Thai guys probably feel the same way when they show up and find a 50-60 year old, not so fit guy with Viagra in hand. Its just so easy to bend the truth abit anonymously online.

[Neal]

I guess the thing I don't seem to understand by reading the posts up above is that there is a lot of dishonesty with pictures etc either way but whenever it has been disgussed and talked about on this board many people are against the go go or host bar because of the off fee or the 24 hour availability when they can see the boys either at the beach or take them off from the bar rather than relying on a photo that they don't know how old it is or how honest the boy is from ripping them off or worse.
So seems to me that some of you have proven my point. Recent regulation at least for Pattaya go go boys in the bars is that their IDs must be copied and sent to the police station for a background check of some kind. So why is it not safer and more reliable to go to the bar and pick up someone who you see and whose ID has been checked by the police? The part of 24 hour availability is mute because you can always set up an appointment for the next day. The only thing you miss is waking up and making an instant gratification call and then wind up with all the headaches you have outlined. :dontknow:

[Impulse]

I agree, one gets what they pay for. Thats why I only use the bars when I'm there.

Maybe if I lived there on a budget I would use gr, but the danger will always be there.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7be_1338628465 Check out this link as it could have been a gay romeo hookup.

Warning: very graphic, two teens murder a 63 year old wanting sex.

Utterly Horrific.


Some more info here http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=67&articleid=807672

[Neal]

Ya know, I have always advocated the use of a host or go go bar where there is more a controlled atmosphere. People have accused me of soiciting this because of my ownership in a bar. Wrong. I have used GR on a few occassions and have come to realize the lack of safety in it especially when called the next day by a Thai junky boy who suddenly showed back up on my doorstep. You have little control even though when I am with a boy, my houseboy is in the other room pretending to watch tv or play video games.
I was always nervous but I can actually say that after watching that video, I am terrified of GR and other sites to meet people.

[bucknaway]

I guess it all comes down to what you are use to. I'm going to Atlanta this weekend and have used the internet and phone apps to set-up meeting with guys in the area. I also use these same systems to chat with and meet guys here where I live. So for me to go to Thailand and meet guys online and using a phone app is only natural.

Heck... I remember even spotting many message board folks in the gay.com chat room when that was the place to be. There too I also met some very special guys.

Now keep in mind that I don't meet every guy that I chat with. I only meet the guys that I gravitate to.

[Neal]

I am very happy for you bucknaway, but you can't deny that there is something going in your favor and that is your size, age and strength compared to older and more fragile. While I do not know the age and shape the unfortunate doctor was in boys 16 & 18 may surely must be stronger and have the advantage of a surprise attack. You and many others may not become a statistic but I am sure many others will.

[Impulse]

He was a short pot bellie 63 year old man. Once they know that they have the upper hand on the victim, it seems to give them an adrenalin rush and the victims demise is swift.

However,the victim was locked in the bathroom with the 16 year old. There is no way i would not leave that bathroom alive with a 16 year old. 63 is old, but he should have enough adrenalin to do whatever it took to kill or subdue the teen, even with stab wounds in the chest.
I would then take his cell phone(don't they all have one?) and call police. And end up in jail for underage sex, but at least be alive. :dontknow:

[bucknaway]

There is always going to be victims and survivors of bad situations. Just as I have read about guys who have met their end through random meetings, I have also read of those who met there end from an off from a bar. We can only assume that ever victim was a saint and would only get physical to defend himself and we must assume that every attacker was simply waiting for the right victim to come along.

I don't know the man or the situation he put himself in so I can't offer any advice. All I can say is that I have had some great times and met some great people thanks to the internet.

I have also met some great guys in the bars and a few of them I would like to meet again.

[gaymandenmark]

I am not at all afried of meeting guys via internet.
First of all we always, if I don't know the guy, meet in a public area. I think I have a quite good trouble radar.
Secondly I don't mind if the guy is older than the pic of him, if I like him and he is nice. I would not be offended, but make a joke about it.
Then when in public, if we don't clic, it is easy to split and say: thank you for your time, it was nice to meet you and have a nice day. He does not know where I am staying and I do not know where he is living. What have we used of eachother time? Maybe one or two hours, with hopeful a nice conversation and some beers, coffee and snacks.

This is how I am thinking:
What do all of us poor fellows do, when we are back to our homecountry?
We don't have gogo bars or host bars to hook up guys.
Then how do we meet a guy?
By internet, local GayRomeroes or going out to "normal" gay bars.
Only one time in my life, and that was in Denmark, I have had problems using the internet, because I closed my brain down and was shitty drunk. But everything was sorted out.

Of course, terrible things can happen, but I don't think it is more danger to use GR in Thailand than in any other places.
Just open your eyes and use your brain.

[bucknaway]

I did run into one problem on GayRomeo last year when I was in Pattaya. I was talking to a guy off and on for months before I arrived. When I was in Pattaya he contacted me and wanted to meet but could only do it at a certain time. We agreed to meet and when I met him he was truly one handsome guy. The problem was that he was TOO young and I am that he was under the legal limit. The hard part was saying goodbye to him without harming his self-esteem. I think I told him hw was the same age and size as my little nephew. I also told him I was too old for him.

There are far too many guys in Thailand for me to have fun with than to waste my freedom on a fleeting moment.

That is the only time I can remember meeting someone from GR that was a potential problem.

[Neal]

And if you trusted his age on the internet and did not check or he had fake ID or his friends and it was a set up, you would not think that a minor problem?
Whereas the bar antempts to handle everything. So that is two problems you had and not one. All it takes is one. :dontknow:

[fountainhall]

First . . . if I don't know the guy, meet in a public area . . . Then when in public, if we don't clic, it is easy to split and say: thank you for your time, it was nice to meet you and have a nice day
I use the exactly the same tactic as gaymandenmark. We'll meet first for coffee, time to size each other up and then decide whether to go further. I'll pay for the coffees, and if we haven't clicked, I'll also pay his fares for coming in to town. Many guys live further out and I think it's not fair that he then has to pay the bus and MRT/BTS fares.

[Halfhansum]

That vidio is truely horredous ...
I thought at first that it must have been a security camera, but to learn that they actualy filmed it themselves ????
What the hell goes through the minds of people that can do such a thing ??
Does anyone know what has happened to them ? Has it come to court yet ?

[Jellybean]

Oh my God, what a truly horrific and thought provoking video and report on the vicious murder of a 63 year old doctor in the Philippines.

It is a welcome, but terrifying, reminder to those of us who bring guys off Internet dating sites into our homes or hotel bedrooms. As a rule of thumb, I think is preferable and even advisable to meet guys off the Internet at some neutral, public place where not only do you have the opportunity to decide whether you are truly compatible, but to also decide whether you feel safe and comfortable admitting the stranger back to your home or hotel bedroom.

Most of the guys IтАЩve met on the Internet IтАЩve met in a public place, either at my or their request. IтАЩve agreed to meet a small number of guys at my apartment, but the initial first face-to-face meeting is in our public lobby where, if I have any serious reservations, I could still change my mind and pay the guy for his transport and time. IтАЩve never turned away anyone at this stage, mainly because IтАЩve trusted my feelings having made a judgment call after speaking to the guy over the telephone and decided it would be safe to meet at my apartment.

However, on one occasion an Internet date asked to bring two of his friends with him. His command of English wasnтАЩt good and his friend was near fluent and did most of the talking with me over the тАШphone. Again, I reached a judgment that I would be safe with three young strangers and confirmed this view when I saw all three in the lobby. They all seemed really sweet and non-aggressive young men. I didnтАЩt feel in the least bit threatened or intimidated and certainly wouldnтАЩt have proceeded to bring them up to my apartment if I had any doubts.

I thought it was perfectly understandable from the boyтАЩs point of view to have his friends with him. The boy that I arranged to see was nervous, wasnтАЩt from Bangkok and didnтАЩt know his way around. And, he said he hadnтАЩt been with a farang before and wanted his friends with him for his own safety. I saw that boy on a further two occasions and on all three occasions he brought his friends with him. They remained in the living room and were happy to watch Thai TV and have a drink whilst their friend joined me in the bedroom. On the two further visits all three boys cooked a really tasty Thai meal for us and I provided enough alcohol to keep them all happy.

But I can readily see that there is an increased risk factor in meeting guys from Internet dating sites. I am not physically strong and have never been in a situation where I felt frightened in the company of a Thai boy. But I decide to meet these guys based on their Internet photos and the feeling I get when speaking with them over the тАШphone. I am not attracted to overly muscled guys, but one thing which alarmed me was that the two boys in the video were not, or at least didnтАЩt appear to be, muscled. Apart from their young age, they looked like the sort of guys I could easily have agreed to meet had they been in their 20s.

I suppose the moral of the story, at least for me, is to be mindful of the possible serious consequences of picking up the wrong sort of boy off the Internet and to always meet, in the first instance, in a public place. Thanks to Rocket and Scottish-Guy for their links.

[Neal]

If I can restrain myself, I will say this and quit on this topic.
I would be almost sure that the doctor from Philippines felt he was safe also. Also, the good doctor met these boys at a neutral place also.
Finally it is just a scary thought that some are making the decision on their psychiatric evaluation of these boys. :dontknow:
And not trying to sound men but so many of you are so good at these psychiatric evaluations is why none of you get ripped off and conned out of money from these boys. :evil4:

[stevehadders]

really disturbing video and does make you think. In some countries internet, with the risks, is the only option. In Pattaya where this risk can be minimised by using bars, is it worth taking that risk when we can minimise it by utilising the bars? At the same time , people used to pick up on beach road late at night with more risks (IMO) so I guess we all have to decide what level of risk we are prepared to take...some people enjoy the risk factor

[Neal]

Yes, same as no helmets and safety belts, driving on each others bumpers almost, etc. Sad.

[Impulse]

I feel that the bars make it all safe and easy. I will always use the bars when in Thailand. When I have no choice...i will use the internet as a last resort. And I will never take more than one guy back with me...unless they are from a bar.

[bruce_nyc]

From http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=67&articleid=807672


The 16-year-old claimed that Gumban befriended him through the social networking site Facebook last March but met him only last week.

On the night of the crime, the minor tagged along Pascual. They were reportedly fetched by Gumban at the cityтАЩs North Terminal, and they bought food and drinks in a mall before proceeding to the doctorтАЩs house.


I think it is important to learn some meaningful lessons from this story.

First, I was wondering when someone would point out, and DaBoss finally did, that the doctor in this story DID meet this boy in a public place. The news story said that though they had connected on Facebook "last March", and had met in person only "one week ago", they always met in a nearby mall.

I can easily see this guy feeling totally safe ( other than for the fact that he is meeting someone under age, of course ). He meets the 16 year old at a mall. The story said he would buy him food and drinks...

Now this is NOT the first time they've met. It's at least the second time they are meeting. This time, he STILL meets the 16-year-old at the mall. But the 16-year-old brings along his 18-year-old friend.

The story seems to imply that the doctor didn't know that he was going to bring along his older friend. In any case, they all three met at the mall again, and...

Apparently, the doctor felt that they were fine and safe. ( Now how hard it is to fool someone when you're trying to be sweet, and you're only 16 or 18.... really? Even if your intentions in your mind and in your plans are pure evil. )

The whole thing seems to have been planned well in advance, at least by the 16-year-old, but probably by both of them together.

The "Safety Lessons" I take away from this are not the same as some of you seem to be taking.

(1) These young men are human beings. Treat them with the love and respect you would want to be treated with. Abuse them at your own risk. Some may abuse back. ( That's not to say that this is always the case. Some cases might be truly "random" or "robbery motivated", but it's worth keeping in mind. Do Not Mistreat Them. It's a lot harder to harm someone you like, and who treats you well. So, naturally, the converse is also true. )

(2) Personally, I think that taking guys from go go or host bars is one more level of safety... if only because they are known. People know who they are. People know who they went home with. However, it's much like wearing a helmet on a motorbike, it is only ONE step toward safety. It is not the be-all end-all solution. Meeting people online on the internet is more risky, only to the degree that those people are anonymous and no one knows they are with you.

(3) Meeting in a public place. Although this is the most common advice... I find it ok..... But in reality, almost useless. Just remember, the doctor in the Philippines ALWAYS met his young studs in a public place... Every Time. A lot of good that did...

(4) Numbers. <--- THIS IS THE KEY. There is always safety in numbers. And, conversely, there is great danger in being out-numbered ---- even just 2 to 1 ---- even by just an 18yo & a 16yo.

These days, in the USA at least, we don't bother with any other ways of meeting guys.... It is 99.999% internet meetings. Between Grindr and Craigslist and the zillions of other online havens for horny young men of all ages, it just makes no sense to waste time and money doing it any other way. I can get a hot, horny, super-willing and ready guy at my door faster than I can get a cheeseburger delivered --- and in Manhattan, that's 10 minutes flat. (And I mean that quite literally. I've timed both.)

Whenever I meet someone for the first time (up until maybe the dozenth time), I normally don't bother meeting them in a public place (unless it fits our plans for some other reason). But I ALWAYS have a friend (or boyfriend, in my case) there. He will ALWAYS be there --- either in the same room, or in the other room, but he will ALWAYS be there. This way, if anything at all strange happens, he is one scream away from being there with a phone in one hand and a weapon in the other (yes, he's very street-savvy, thank god). If we ever have a group of guys for an orgy, for example, it would consist of guys we know well.... (or at least, "the guys we know well" + "us 2" = would have to be a clear majority of those in attendance).

I also happen to think that upscale apartment buildings and hotels are safer, because everyone knows that if someone were to start screaming, security guards would be called right away. An old man, all alone, in a free-standing house.... who's gonna hear him screaming?

So I say:

Meet them whatever way you want to. Of course, go go / host bars are one step safer.
Stay in well lit, well-populated, decent to upscale hotels or in an active nice upscale apartment building -- with plenty of human traffic around, in either case
Most Important: Never Be Outnumbered.
Pay a young man you know very well to sit and watch, or sit in the other room. Even two guys you know very well. The more the safer!
Make sure the NEW guy you are bringing home KNOWS IN ADVANCE that others will always be there too.
Never break this rule of being alone with a guy ---- even after you've met him several times. (Remember, the doctor had been seeing him without incident for a week.)

I would say it's not safe to bring a new guy home alone (with no one else there) until you've been with him sexually at least a dozen times, AND you've never ever had a hint of a feeling that he could be troubled, AND you really have met his people -- his employer, his family, his friends, etc., AND some of your friends have met him too (i.e. he is "known").

Let's pray that nothing like this ever happens again.

[christianpfc]

Just got this message on gayromeo:


pics cok and ass thank s

[bucknaway]

Makes no difference. You could off a guy from a bar who and still end up dead. No bar promises 100% safety from harm when hiring the guys they employ.

Also, once you off a guy more than once, maybe he will contact you directly. Do you tell him to stop calling you because you want to only off him from a bar to have a record of him going with you? How many bars are testing the guys for drugs? Who do so many guy that work in the bars run and hide when there is a rumor of police action?

For me, thinking that a bar boy is safer than a regular guy on the street, in the sauna or at the dance club, is like thinking a ride in a Baht Bus is safer than riding in the back of a pick-up truck.

One good thing about the internet meeting is that nothing on the internet goes away and meeting someone from the net provides a digital footprint that can be traced easier than any of us think. And if there was a cell phone... Well, that is just as good as having a GPS snitch in your pocket.

I can't speak for others but I don't trust anyone I meet in a bar or on the street. I think they will steal from me, drug me or lie to me. If I am wrong than I am pleasantly surprised by that stranger.

[gaymandenmark]

From http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=67&articleid=807672

So I say:
.......
I would say it's not safe to bring a new guy home alone (with no one else there) until you've been with him sexually at least a dozen times, AND you've never ever had a hint of a feeling that he could be troubled, AND you really have met his people -- his employer, his family, his friends, etc., AND some of your friends have met him too (i.e. he is "known").



Thanks for the input, but holy cow, how should I have ever met Boy, Em, Sun, Neng, Ning, O, Nat, Bil, Bob, Earn, Fod, Golf, Lek, Not, Ton and others, outside the gogo-bars scene, but in BKK. Pattaya and Chiang Mai, if I should follow this roules.

Well I dont like to have another person in my room, or in the next room, when I am with the special of the night, and I am sure that the guys I normally met and have fun with, both in and outside the bed, would be seriously offended.

[bucknaway]

It's not as if a cart is strolling up and down the streets of Pattaya, ringing a bell and chanting out loud, "Bring Out Your Dead!"

If in one years time, 2 people are murdered by guys they met on the inernet in Pattaya does it mean that there is a murder spree going on? I don't think so. Just as when a bar-guy murdered the guy that offed him. We all knew it was a rare event.

Do I take a risk when buying street food? Is there no risk in buying prepared food from a restaurant? They all have their problems and if I owned a restaurant I would warn against buying from street carts and I would pray that no one ever spread the word that my food made them sick.

Life if full of risks.

Even the guys are taking a risk by going to the room of a stranger that has a plane ticket waiting to get him the hell out of Thailand.

[Impulse]

Meet them whatever way you want to. Of course, go go / host bars are one step safer.
Stay in well lit, well-populated, decent to upscale hotels or in an active nice upscale apartment building -- with plenty of human traffic around, in either case
Most Important: Never Be Outnumbered.
Pay a young man you know very well to sit and watch, or sit in the other room. Even two guys you know very well. The more the safer!
Make sure the NEW guy you are bringing home KNOWS IN ADVANCE that others will always be there too.
Never break this rule of being alone with a guy ---- even after you've met him several times. (Remember, the doctor had been seeing him without incident for a week.)
Great advice, all of it. But I think it might be impractical having someone else in your living space. Lucky for you Bruce that you have someone. Also, if you own your own place, a dead bolt that can only be opened with a key would make me feel better, as someone could come knocking and be let in by your date.

[latintopxxx]

scary stuff, I always make sure that I choose the sex venue (my hotel room), lock my valuables away and am alwayd aware of what the boy is up to, keep him in my view; certainly would not arrange for more than one and will always remain fairly sober.
Guess I'm at less risk as I'm tall and well built...so more than a match for the average Thai gogo..still guess it would only take a well placed knifing to incapacitate one so the risk is always there.
Must say that I've enjoyed dozens of guys and have never had a reason to fear for my safety.

[martin911]

"only one " am surprised to read that from yourself

I thought you liked it a little "different " shall we say --

If you get the right mix (chemistry etc ) for me the number 4 is good !! :laughing3: :laughing3:

I only ever once had a bad experience (also in the Phillipines -- but thats not to say its a dangerous place ,it was only one encounter of many )
where we had a few going back to my place after the clubs had closed and we picked up another guy outside one of the clubs -- my then Phil BF thought he was ok -- (and he has a policy of never bringing back moneyboys )---- but after a few had played with the guy he announced he was going and wanted 2000p --
Now i didnt get involved in the discussions (initially) but my BF was adamant that he wasnt getting paid because he(the guy )had made no ref to Mb etc and Mark had said to him outside the club that just because a foreigner was there not to ask for anything other than taxi money (which is common --200 p is the norm )--and the guy had said that was fine -he just wanted to party a little before going home !!

There was 4/5 others there anyway but it got a bit loud and heated -i said to my Bf fuck it (and we had 55 ) just give him the money and let him go so we could carry on ourselves --so he was given the money and told to go -he then started demanding 3000 instead of the initial 2000 --
That annoyed me so i told one of the other lads to open condo door and i grabbed the guy and pushed him out the door !!!

That was the end of it (i did see him again in clubs after that but he made no more of it -)
So even with say local vetting etc you just never know what may happen --but the same could be said for crossing the road (esp in Thailand ) --
But i think if you treat the guys ok /everybody gets satisfied etc the chances of trouble are slim -
But location in the world prob plays a big part too i guess ??

I rem saying to a Belgian pal of mine (after he had recounted a bad experience from Vietnam ) -- it is amazing what we will do and where we will go to --JUST to have a happy ending !!!!!!!!!!

[christianpfc]

I wonder how often drugs (including alcohol) are involved when gay sex dates go wrong?

I skipped a few boys in Thailand because they appeared intoxicated to me.

Maybe I'm naive, but I never had any bad experiences. I wouldn't start a sex date expecting to get robbed or murdered. I always assume the other party is in just for fun (or money). Having a third party in the house/room/condo would make me feel uncomfortable.

[latintopxxx]

oh martin I do do groups..and more...but only when there is at least another friend with me...but i wouldn't risk being alone with two rent boys...simply know that desperation or opportunity can drive people to desperate measures and I intend being around for a bit longer.

[bruce_nyc]

I love this analogy.... and it's so true.... It's a false sense of security.


For me, thinking that a bar boy is safer than a regular guy on the street, in the sauna or at the dance club, is like thinking a ride in a Baht Bus is safer than riding in the back of a pick-up truck.

And this is very true too.... If we take just a second to consider the boys' perspective, it's even scarier really....


Even the guys are taking a risk by going to the room of a stranger that has a plane ticket waiting to get him the hell out of Thailand.

[martin911]

I guess if nothing else that clip has made a few of us think --me cert !!

What on earth made those young guys do such a thing ,and film it --it beggars belief :dontknow: :dontknow:

[bruce_nyc]

What on earth made those young guys do such a thing ,and film it --it beggars belief :dontknow: :dontknow:

Ya know... If I hadn't seen the video myself.... If there was no video of it.... and I just heard the story.... I wouldn't believe it entirely.

I would've said, "Nahhh... There HAS to be more to the story. There must be something else that happened."

Some things really do need to been seen to be believed.

Just who was he making the video FOR? Did they think this was going to be "the coolest thing they'd ever done"...?

I wish we could also have recordings of their conversations while planning this thing.

[kittyboy]

He was a short pot bellie 63 year old man. Once they know that they have the upper hand on the victim, it seems to give them an adrenalin rush and the victims demise is swift.

However,the victim was locked in the bathroom with the 16 year old. There is no way i would not leave that bathroom alive with a 16 year old. 63 is old, but he should have enough adrenalin to do whatever it took to kill or subdue the teen, even with stab wounds in the chest.
I would then take his cell phone(don't they all have one?) and call police. And end up in jail for underage sex, but at least be alive. :dontknow:

The guy was hit in the head with a rock...stabbed in the chest a few times..and you are saying in a similar situation you would be able to overpower an attacker who had the element of surprise and was 40 plus years younger? Am I getting this correctly?

I think you are mental and sort of blaming the guy for his own death.
If he had just been a bit more valiant and fought harder...damn..he would probably still be alive. That seems to be the implication of your statement.

[kittyboy]

People have different risk profiles. A behavior you think is risky I might not have any problem engaging in the same behavior as I perceive little or no risk.

Having said that I have to agree with Neal that the bars seem to me to provide a much safer avenue for meeting men.

[Halfhansum]

So what has happened to this pair of Bastards ???
You often hear of these murders taking place, but seldom seem to learn of any punishment .
Is the death penalty in force in the Phills.???? Cus if ever it was justified, it is here ....

Well, bear in kind this all happened less than 2 months ago - the case will not yet have been through the courts

[joe552]

Have posters here actually watched this video? I read the first paragraph of the report and that was enough, but I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the video - if it actually shows the death of this guy, why would anyone want to see that? :dontknow:

Yes Joe, I watched it.

But, bear in mind the link to the video was posted by rocket before I posted the link to the report so other than rocket saying it was graphic I had really no idea what I would see - sure I expected to see a crime scene, but not to witness a murder!

I did find the footage shocking in the true sense of the word, and I certainly won't be viewing again.

Now you may have a point in asking who, after I posted the link to the report, would actually choose to watch the footage - but maybe they simply could not believe it was true and had to see for themselves. Why do people slow down to gawp at the scene of an horrific motorway accident, or stand outside a tall building where a guy is perched on the roof, threatening to jump?

You are surely aware that there are internet sites which pander to certain people's desire to see such things - even executions, beheadings, mutilations,
- and rocket's link came from a website "specialising" in graphic gore.
You're a man of the world - I'm a little surprised that you're surprised that certain types of people seek out such stuff.
By the way I'm not in any way suggesting that rocket sought it out.

[Impulse]

I think you are mental and sort of blaming the guy for his own death.
If he had just been a bit more valiant and fought harder...damn..he would probably still be alive. That seems to be the implication of your statement.
I don't mean to blame the poor guy. In fact I'm very big on not blaming victims which many people tend to do. He probably did the best he could in the situation.
I just think the way he was sreaming for so long, he might have had a chance when he was alone in the bathroom with the 16 year old. How determined is a 16 year old to kill someone? I don't know how injured he was at that point....I don't know, I think that I am so angry at what they did and wish it had turned out differently.


Have posters here actually watched this video? I read the first paragraph of the report and that was enough, but I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the video - if it actually shows the death of this guy, why would anyone want to see that? :dontknow:
It helps to learn and be prepared in case this happens to you. I watched the burning down of a nightclub that was filmed and 100 people died. It wasn't out of disrespect, but now when I'm in a small club I check where the exits are and if they are locked.

... How determined is a 16 year old to kill someone?...

As determined as any psychopath of any age - and this kind of "naivety" is partly how people get into these situations (no offence rocket).
We don't see the danger because we think a boy may be "only young" or "only small" or "a fem boy" or whatever.
The truth of the matter is that there are very disturbed people of all ages and of all types out there - one can have no idea what they may have planned or alternatively what may make them "snap" in any given situation. We also know that the element of surprise is the greatest weapon in any attack.

The dangers in associating with rentboys are nothing new - and the Doctor in the video was following a route well-worn by others :

"...Wilde was introduced to a series of young, working class, male prostitutes from 1892 onwards...These infrequent rendez-vous usually took the same form: Wilde would meet the boy, offer him gifts, dine him privately and then take him to a hotel room....in De Profundis he wrote to Douglas that "It was like feasting with panthers; the danger was half the excitement..."

[Neal]

I also think I remember reading that the 16 yr old that got him in the bathroom was hiding a large rock and hit him in the head when he wasn't looking.
The rush he probably also got was even if he had a sudden sense that what he started was wrong, that he knew he had to go forward in an attempt not to get caught. I don't know if he knew the other was filming it or both may have been so whacked out on drugs that they did not care. I watched it when it was first posted and then sat there a long time in disbelief.

[thailuv]

I wonder how many of these kinds of stories dont make the news because the perpetrators are able to get rid of the body discreetly since farang is usually alone. In these days where there are drugs that turn people into cannibals and start chewing on your face (bath salts) do you really want to risk exposure to so many randoms. Truth is there is a lot of desperate people out there and if they see a "weak" farang standing between then and a stash of loot your life becomes very dispensable. I think we tend to underestimate the number of gogo and non-gogo boys taking drugs to cope with the humiliating nature of their trade and the effects those drugs have in shaping the way they view life and death scenarios. Middle class Thai view the sex scene with as much scorn as the rest of the western world. I wouldnt trust two postitutes with me alone in my country so why the hack woul it be any different in a 3rd world country of all places

We all make these very sensible risk-assessments in the cold light of day.

The problem is, of course, that where sex is involved - and more especially (im my case usually) where sex and alcohol is involved, a "red mist" seems to descend which obliterates any rational thought or perception of danger.

Twice I have got into potentially life-threatening situations (neither of them in Thailand) which with hindsight I must have been completely MAD to get into:

1. Ending up alone with a North African boy called Rico in his flat in Amsterdam (in an area I did not know and had no idea where I was), drunk as a fart and smoking coke (other than that one occasion, I have never touched drugs in my life)
2. Inviting 2 Romanian boys from a notorious hustler bar to my hotel room in Spain for an all-night session - again very drunk and completely alone with them. If you know anything about Romanians (yes I know - racial stereotyping coming up) then you'll realise how foolhardy that was.

Obviously there were no repercussions from these idiotic adventures - but I'm under no illusion it was due to good fortune rather than any sense on my part.

I have to say that in Thailand I have never felt threatened, even with 10 in the room - but you just never know.

I have to say that in Thailand I have never felt threatened, even with 10 in the room - but you just never know.


10 ? :party

Ummm - yes :occasion9:

It was my first visit, I was dazzled, astounded, out of control ....

In my defence - 1 of the 10 was a boy I'd brought with me from Scotland, so only 9 were BKK gogo boys.
And 1 was for the boy - only 8 were for me :evil4: :evil4:


:occasion9:

Ummm - yes :occasion9:

It was my first visit, I was dazzled, astounded, out of control ....

In my defence - 1 of the 10 was a boy I'd brought with me from Scotland, so only 9 were BKK gogo boys.
And 1 was for the boy - only 8 were for me :evil4: :evil4:


:occasion9:

I see, that does make a big difference :alc:

[Neal]

About 10 years ago for a few years I used to come to Pattaya with two taxis full of boys from Bangkok. Madame Jim and staff would always say that she would block a few rooms because they never knew how many boys I would bring with me. Then we would go around to the Pattaya bars and pick up more. LOL! I used to say that the Thai boys were young and small and got out of breath so fast so that I needed them so when the first one ran out of breath, the first one would take over and so forth until we came round to #1 again who had regained his power! They used to say I looked like Mother Goose walking down the soi with all the boys in tow.
I say that I could do all of them over the course of a day but now i have gotten old and am slower so I have to do them all at ONE TIME! :evil4: :snorting:

I can vouch for Neal's "capacity" - he is the only person I have ever known to have a waiting area (a row of chairs, and a small table with magazines) outside his hotel bedroom.

Of course, when he moved to the Ambience he would have a suite - much more discreet :sign5:


:party

[joe552]

so how long did he keep you waiting, scottie? :occasion9:

so how long did he keep you waiting, scottie? :occasion9:

Jam and Jam never made a sandwich dear.

:occasion9:

[bruce_nyc]

so how long did he keep you waiting, scottie? :occasion9:

LOL

I saw that one coming..... Ha Ha!

[joe552]

so how long did he keep you waiting, scottie? :occasion9:

Jam and Jam never made a sandwich dear.

:occasion9:

obviously been at the cooking sherry again, scottie - don't have the faintest idea what you mean :dontknow:

Joe - I think you're losing the plot, that's twice in the space of 24hrs you've been unable to understand what people are saying, LOL

"Jam & Jam never made a sandwich" = you need two different items to make a sandwich e.g bread + jam = two of the same just does not work = two queens with similar predelictions are hardly likely to be shagging each other!

Geddit?

:party

[joe552]

thanks, scottie, I understand that - which begs the question of why you were hanging around outside Neal's room? :dontknow:

I wasn't hanging around outside Neal's room - it was many, many years ago, we were both in separate rooms within the same hotel - I can vouch for his (former) capacity because I had the daily, jealousy-inducing, task of squeezing past the "waiting area" of boys outside his room, so I could get to mine

:sign5:

[joe552]

ah, so you felt totally rejected, which explains why you've turned into an angry old fart :occasion9:

[christianpfc]

What's the difference between marmalade and jam?

You cannot marmalade your dick up your boyfriend's ass!


About 10 years ago for a few years I used to come to Pattaya with two taxis full of boys from Bangkok. ... Then we would go around to the Pattaya bars and pick up more.

There were / are not enough boys for you in Pattaya? Are you greedy!

[joe552]

a German has made a joke - the world is definitely coming to an end :occasion9:

[martin911]

About 10 years ago for a few years I used to come to Pattaya with two taxis full of boys from Bangkok. Madame Jim and staff would always say that she would block a few rooms because they never knew how many boys I would bring with me. Then we would go around to the Pattaya bars and pick up more. LOL! I used to say that the Thai boys were young and small and got out of breath so fast so that I needed them so when the first one ran out of breath, the first one would take over and so forth until we came round to #1 again who had regained his power! They used to say I looked like Mother Goose walking down the soi with all the boys in tow.
I say that I could do all of them over the course of a day but now i have gotten old and am slower so I have to do them all at ONE TIME! :evil4: :snorting:


RESPECT !!!!! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

There is one guy coming to pATTAYA a few times a year ( actually saw him last nite in Dave ) who kinda looks like what you describe re the mother goose line
Als has a bunch of guys with him --

Once i was in WWB and he came in with a group of really cute lads -- as he passed by me going in I counted 6 +him going in
When he passed me later going out i counted 8 + him !!!!

Another time a few years back i rem going in to Dave quite late one nite with my then BF --
There was a group of hot boys on the stage dancing(only 8/10 odd guys were on the stage!!!) and i rem thinking good Dave has got a bunch of new coyotes !!
Then the music changed ,all boys got down and went back to this guys table --not dave coyotes at all --they were all with him
I dont know the guy at all but he (and his guys ) als look like they are having fun --and lets face it -- You only live once !!!!

[joe552]

martin, not everyone needs to flaunt their sexual prowess in public - many of us (me included) prefer to keep it private in my loom - was never a fan of showy queens - all that you've reported says to me is the guy has money - doesn't prove any of the boys with him actually like him or want to be with him. I prefer my low key approach :party

[christianpfc]

Once i was in WWB and he came in with a group of really cute lads -- as he passed by me going in I counted 6 +him going in
When he passed me later going out i counted 8 + him !!!!
Luckily, I need only one guy to make me happy.

[bruce_nyc]

Luckily, I need only one guy to make me happy.

"....at a time."

I'm assuming you mean.

[joe552]

bruce, you're surely not suggesting that christian is a slut in the same way NIrish Guy is? :dontknow:

one at a time is enough for most normal men, I believe, but then again, how many normal men post on this board? :dontknow:

[Neal]

I think I can get away with it cause I am not mentioning a last name. That very well may be John. John goes out to many bars and looks for manly looking guys around 22 years old and with great bodies. I have seen him and the boys many a time eating at cafe Royale when he is in town. He is a great guy and loves to have a good party in the bigger dance clubs like Excite, Dave's and others. He loves to watch them dance and be with a crowd. he has been in my club a few times picking up a few. Stays to himself and is very nice.

[bruce_nyc]

Someday I wanna be rich enough to have an "assistant" who goes ahead of me and arranges everything for me... with massive orgies just waiting for my arrival. :idea1:

Oh wait. I already have you, DaBoss. :thumbright:

I wonder if super rich arab sheiks ever visit Pattaya.... Or celebrities...

I bet you have some stories...

[Neal]

ah yes and they do.
I remember being in one club here in Boyztown area or maybe Walking street, I just cannot remember. It was early on in my days here in Pattaya and I was known for taking the boys out once in a while to a pussy club and getting them tipsy and getting them a little twat. Kept them happy and I got good returns on the investment. Now while they were googling over pussy, I was toying with the young male waiters or bar boys, whatever they might be. well the girls would howl because the boys were getting my tips. The good old days. When I go, nobody is going to say I did not live life to the max. Well anyway, as I said, I can't recall where but we had a nice table in the center. Some well dressed Arabian men came in and they had stacks and stacks of twenties or maybe higher denomination again I can't recal. Well they started throwing them. The girls went nuts but after a few minutes, someone and I think it may have been an asst of the shiek came over to us and said to us that the shiek wanted to pay our check bin. Stupidly I asked why and then someone pointed out that he wanted to PAY my CHECK BIN so we would vacate the table! Stupid me! :sign5: Well we had about a 2,000 baht bill and I just jumped up and said to the boys, sorry its time to leave! and off we went. I think thats my only shiek story from Thailand

[colmx]

I think I can get away with it cause I am not mentioning a last name. That very well may be John. John goes out to many bars and looks for manly looking guys around 22 years old and with great bodies. I have seen him and the boys many a time eating at cafe Royale when he is in town. He is a great guy and loves to have a good party in the bigger dance clubs like Excite, Dave's and others. He loves to watch them dance and be with a crowd. he has been in my club a few times picking up a few. Stays to himself and is very nice.

I always thought that guys name was Tom or Tommy?

Regardless of his name fair play to him as he knows how to live it up and i have never seen a depressed face in his company! :party

An Arab Sheik in a pussy bar?

Was his name Mustapha Fuq by any chance?

:evil4:

[martin911]

martin, not everyone needs to flaunt their sexual prowess in public - many of us (me included) prefer to keep it private in my loom - was never a fan of showy queens - all that you've reported says to me is the guy has money - doesn't prove any of the boys with him actually like him or want to be with him. I prefer my low key approach :party


Joe --i really dont think that this is the case(showy queen ) with the gentleman i described (although it prob IS/WAS the case when Neal was traipsing around boystown with his goslings in tow - :3some: :3some: :3some: :3some: :3some: :3some: )

[joe552]

our Neal a showy queen? surely not, martin - a shrinking violet is what I've heard :sign5:

[Neal]

I don't think I was a showy queen that wanted everyone to see but I know I did have the bestest, the hottest and I didn't care who looked. :sign5: I know at that time you had to get to the bars as soon as the doors opened to get the best. Boyztown was really crowded 12 - 20 years ago and everyone was after the best boys. By 9pm whoever you were looking for was gone, gone gone! :crybaby:
actually with some you had to book a day or so in advance!!

[bruce_nyc]

What's it like now... by comparison?

[Neal]

Now? i think if you show up by 11:30pm you will do fine. after that I think many of the real good ones get bored and go home by midnight.
Really has changed. BUT this is about Gay Romeo, right?

No harm I'd of told the rich sheik to stick his money and he could either join you or wait for the table like everyone else ! It would take a lot more than 2000 baht to shift me - maybe even up to 2200 baht !!! Lol

[bruce_nyc]

It would take a lot more than 2000 baht to shift me - maybe even up to 2200 baht !!! Lol

LOL They'll never call you a cheap whore, NIrish...! :alc:

[joe552]

ah, but they do call him that - just not to his face :occasion9:

No Bruce you got it in one, they may call me a whore - to my face or otherwise I don't care - but they can never call me cheap ! :-)

[joe552]

so, NIrish Guy, are you saying DaBoss was lying? surely not :dontknow:

Sorry maybe I missed a post or two, you've lost me Joe, lying about what ?

It seems there's general agreement over what NIrish is, the only dispute is over the price.

:evil4:

[joe552]

on reflection, my comment wasn't really funny, so just ignore it.

Ha whatever the price may be ( assuming there ever was one of couse :-) i can assure you that no one has yet managed to afford it - but I think it's a valid question - do we all have a price !!?? Whether we like to admit it or not ? Are we in fact no different to the average pattaya MB just the price or currency differs, maybe it's a house, maybe it's stability in having a realationship and so we "settle" having got less than we may have wanted want in life with ine guy we dont "really" live thAt much for fear of being alone for the rest of our days ? We all have our price, whether its in baht, pounds or personsl sacrifice and heartbreak giving up a little bit of you for someone else - so do you know what your price is or was ?? I "think" I know my own answer but as i doubt i can ever be One million percent certain of that as life always changes and am strong enough in my character to admit that who knows !! So, anyone else care to contribute their thoughts or are we all fooling ourselves and cslling ourselves " not at any price men???" - perhaps this should be a new topic, this could get interesting :-)

Well, I was never a rent boy, but many moons ago an old man gave me ┬г1 after sucking my virgin cock!

I was 16 then, slim, and quite attractive - so as my age has greatly increased and the level of my attractiveness has descended faster than a runaway elevator, I reckon the only thing i'd get now is laughed at.

Mind you manpattaya sounds fairly desperate :hello2:

[bruce_nyc]

do we all have a price !!??

I know I do!!! :naka:

[joe552]

didn't manpattaya say he had hooked up with a poster from here and wouldn't be gracing us with his presence anymore? :dontknow:

anyway, scotty, I'll bet you looked cute as a 16 year old in that kilt :occasion9:

as to price, a few glasses of wine and I become not so choosy :alc:

I'm free!

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[joe552]

:sign5: don't know how you found that so quickly - well done

[bruce_nyc]

He just handed his iPhone to one of his boys, who snapped a picture, and then he posted it. Photos are taken and posted instantly these days....

[joe552]

oh bruce, that's not nice :sign5:

Bruce is not far off - I was spotted in 2009:


Tonight in Sunnee Harry Lauder made a return to the scene. Some portly guy dressed in a costume no self respecting Scotsman would be seen dead in delighted us all in his wanders around the Soi .. Can anyone confirm this?

I kept it going for a while as well (even in the 3rd person) without revealing it was actually ME:


Update.....

Harry Lauder arrived (with entourage) at The Venue, drank a bottle of Black Label in double-quick time, then sped off in a motorbike taxi with the wind billowing up his kilt all the way to Boyztown, where he proceeded to mince about on stage in LCR singing "Quando Quando Quando" with Khun Toi

Quite shocking really.

I don't know how he has the audacity - I think he must be an alcofrolic.

:occasion9:



:party

[joe552]

I guess once a party animal, always a party animal, eh scottie? :party

Indeed Joe - several months ago I minced round all the BT and Sunee bars as Elton John.

You have to have a laugh!

:occasion9:

[joe552]

now, THAT I would have paid to see

[christianpfc]

- but I think it's a valid question - do we all have a price !!?? Whether we like to admit it or not ? Are we in fact no different to the average pattaya MB just the price or currency differs, maybe it's a house, maybe it's stability in having a realationship and so we "settle" having got less than we may have wanted want in life with ine guy we dont "really" live thAt much for fear of being alone for the rest of our days ? We all have our price, whether its in baht, pounds or personsl sacrifice and heartbreak giving up a little bit of you for someone else - so do you know what your price is or was ??

Serious offers only please.

[joe552]

I think NIrish Guy has raised a valid question, which surely deserves a thread of its own? what think you, DaBoss? time to split this one? :dontknow:

[christianpfc]

It seems there's general agreement over what NIrish is, the only dispute is over the price.

:evil4:


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[Neal]

No time to check out this thread about splitting now, have to go but in glancing I can tell you that I did spot Elton twice and I pointed him out to !"others. "Can you believe that guy? All dressed up like Elton John" we had a good laugh until I was told who he was and I wanted to talk to him!

The drunk Russian girls were rather gullible - as I strolled around BT I got screamed at and asked for autographs and to pose for photographs - "You are an International star, I love you" said one.

The gogo boys were more reserved, the more fem ones giggling as I sat in the audience.
In at least one bar I eventually pulled the wig off and threw it to the boys on the stage! Needless to say they all had to try it on.

:party

an old man gave me ┬г1 after sucking my virgin cock!:

A whole pound !!! We'll fuck that Father Murphy and his Mars bar and a bag of jelly tots, it seems I've been robbed ! Lol