police raid sunee plza

[dutchkiwi]

Last night, around 21:30 , sit in the bar upside don plaza , and a van was coming, a couple police man and undercover jump out the van walking to a bar and consficated some space, within a minute everywere the kaki uniforms. All the entrance on the street blocked, the light brown uniforms collected all the thais from the bar to the centre of sunnee plaza, within one hour i think 200-300 people did the drug test. Including the motorbike taxis. Some boys with smiling face passing the bar after being tested. Lucky, they did the right things, and many boy were unlucky, with the sample they could walk to the exit of sunee plaza were pickup trucks waiting bring them to the police station or hospital for more drug testing, i think.
In hour hour it was over, Sunee Plaza was quiet, ok, if you are looking for a boy, at least you could be sure he was tested negative. From my side, i think 75% carry the sample

[frequentflier]

this is good news..They should raid it more often.Drugs are a curse and cause major problems.The faster its stamped out the better for everybody.

[vnman]

Hey Dutchkiwi. interesting story. I'll be looking out to read more in the news papers.

When you say that 75% carry the sample, you probably mean "are under the influence of illegal substances," right?

What about you? No pee pee? They probably didn't know you were Dutch :-)

[dutchkiwi]

i agree with you, but unfortenattely they only catch the victims, but the real criminals, suppliers, wholesalers, still walking around. Sometimes i think it is more a mediacircus, to show the naive people what the police are doing.

as long as the tap is open, you will never ever dry the place

[dutchkiwi]

Yes by carry the sample, yes under influenze of illegal substances


i not pee, they can check me, i was my decision in my whole live not to smoke illegal substances,

ok, i like to smoke, but that according the thai explanation :tongue3:

He he thanks for the original post Dutch re the raid - I just texted two guys from Sunee bars that I'm friendly with who of course ASSURE me that when I'm not there they hardly EVER go with customers and would have me believe that they simply sit and wait for my return lol, to which I always laugh and tell " I KNOW EXACTLY what you do and when you go with customers, I have many spies in Sunnee that tell me what you do" - which freaks them out as they think some of the guys in their own bars are feeding me wrong ( or more likely CORRECT !) info to make them look bad so that I don't off them on my return.

So when I texted both of them this morning to say "hey, hope you ok, hope you not taken by police last night in the big raid when they tested you etc" they were both back on to me within seconds saying " WHAT ! how you know !, who tell you about that? what did they say about me !? " ha ha :-) Always good just to keep them on their toes ! ha ha :-)

I'm also glad to say both said no they hadn't been arrested "apparently" so all was well " so they said anyway" lol

[dutchkiwi]

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2012 ... ug-tested/ (http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2012/05/09/pattaya-soi-6-closed-400-sex-workers-drug-tested/)





also soi day, exact the same stragety

[gerefan2]

Musn't let anyhting get in the way of money making in Thailand...
Expect more of this at the height of the LOW season.

[colmx]

According to reports on the GB forum only 20 people were arrested

Given that there were 2-300 people tested...
and some of these arrests will have been for illegal aliens, false positives and underage...

Where does your 75% statistic for people under the influence of drugs come from?

I'm actually quite surprised at just how low the number of actual detections was ( 15% of the total number of girls / ladyboys tested, with that breaking down to 50 women and 10 ladyboys) - for some reason I would have expected that figure to be higher perhaps, has anyone seen the detection breakdown for Sunee PLaza and the guys there perhaps as it "looks" anyway like it really was a no warning raid ? - although being Thailand and the number of state persons involved I would probably doubt that perhaps so maybe THAT'S why the numbers were so low perhaps ??

To be fair you'd get a MUCH higher dedection rate on any night at probably just about any night club in any town here in UK I would think.

[anonone]

Reports that at least some of the bars had warning for the Sunee raid, so the "low" number of caught users isn't that big of a surprise.

More surprising....I could not find any mention of the Sunee raid on the Pattaya news websites (checked a couple of them). Both had stories on the Soi 6 raid. Gays catching a break? Or just no story worth posting out of it...?

BF in Isaan hadn't heard about it, so hopefully all our friends are OK. I do like it when I find out about things before him.....

SGT...home of breaking news

[allofmesuneeplaza]

I was sitting at All of Me Bar when the police arrived in Sunee Plaza, one vehicle parking right in front of the bar. Prior to their arrival, no one at All of Me bar (including a number of customers who always seem to know what is going on!) had heard that there was going to be a raid that evening. It was my first time to actually be in Sunee Plaza during a police raid, and it was an impressive show of organization and force. The police (at least two different uniforms) arrived quickly with a number of vehicles and quickly secured Sunee Plaza. No farang were disturbed and one policeman apologized to me for the inconvenience and said they would be finished in about 15 minutes. Every Asian boy, whether bar employee, customer, passerby or motorbike-taxi driver was searched (pockets, bags and lockers) and tested for drugs. Two boys from my bars were detained and taken to the police station. After further testing they were both released (both were using prescription medication). I had a boy from PattayaLand with me that evening and he was very worried. He was using an antibiotic for a tooth infection but he was not detained. The entire event lasted about an hour; police withdrawal was rapid and the evening continued with something new to talk about. I was sorry for the boys who were needlessly detained, but I am all for zero tolerance for drugs and underage boys in Sunee Plaza.

[dutchkiwi]

the link i placed was according the ladybar

the 75% were the people that carried the pipi sample. Together with some people on the table we started to count the thais that was passing us. With or without a sample, and so we came approx on this number.
Many went to hospital to 2nd test and thatis more accurate.
So this is how i get the figures. Maybe my discription was not complete but drugs , are also medicine.

What is really arrested and so, stil
waitng to read the figures in one of the newspapers

[dutchkiwi]

Yep , the same encounter,....

Only sometimes i think it is a mediahype, because the victims are the boys, suppliers and wholesaler, still running in freedom

I don't think anybody (well almost anybody) would condone those things - but have you considered that if the same "zero tolerance" was extended to brothel-keeping and prostitution (maybe even homosexuality) - you wouldn't have bar to sit at with your Pattayaland boy and watch the "excitement" unfold?

[cdnmatt]

I'm sorry, but what a retarded argument. "I'm a 67yo retired male, and demand a safe, peaceful, drug-free, underage-free area filled with bars where I can conveniently watch poverty stricken 18 year olds in their white undies dance on stage, and off them for $40 for a night of sex!"

I mean... you gotta admit, it's pretty stupid to be dismayed to find out there's drugs in Sunnee. And probably even dumber to wish the drug problem would vanish, because more than likely if the drug issue vanishes, so will your fulfillment of sexual fantasies.

You're spending time in one of the largest gay red light districts in the world, and you're pissed off there's drugs floating around. Then of course, you turn aroundand complain about how it's not busy enough, and there's not enough people / tourists / boys. Fuck me...

[joe552]

Fuck me...

be careful what you wish for, matt :sign5:

[Thai Dyed]

The term "War on Drugs" was first used by Richard Nixon in 1971, and since then America alone has spent an estimated $1 Trillion on this utter fiasco.

cdnmatt is right, "Fuck me..."

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Speaking personally I've had some great nights out in the past ( and mayb e the future ) with a wee toot of this and a wee snort of that and a wee drop of this and a wee hit of that - and sometimes all on the same night / weekend - and I'm not a deranged drug riddled nutter, I think it's too easy to generalise and to the "all drugs are bad thing" when based on the number of people taking them worldwide from ALL sections of life obviously can't be the case.

And I'm not "promoting" drug use here by the way, I'm simply saying do it or don't it - up to you - and if you some drugs and allow yourself to become a dick when on them etc and let them fuck up your life then you're a dick - just like achohol or any of lifes other vices - but also if someone has never tried such things and don't perhaps have any experience of what they are speaking of personally then I would perhaps not be so quickly accepting of their simple "all drugs are bad and thats that argument" as I know that statement not to be exactly accurate perhaps. And by the way I'm not referring to anyone on his board in particular here - or even people on the board in general, just life and people in general.

[vnman]

Good point. I used to "carry the sample" (thanks to Dutchkiwi for giving me that phrase) a long time before I had ever tasted alcohol. It must have been at least 5 years. And there were many people pointing their fingers in those times. It wasn't till I started drinking alcohol myself until understood the hypocrisy of these "social drinkers." I was a "social user" and believe me, there was, is and probably will never be a difference.

Even for health issues. it's a fact that a glass of wine a day is good for you. It's also a fact that marijuana is good for many ailments and even helps cancer patients cope with their treatments. Of course, we can not say the same about all drugs and alcohol, but like many things in life: It's all about moderation.

[TravellerDave]

What do you class as a "drug". I believe that if tobacco and alcohol had been introduced in the last 50 years they too would be on the illegal list. I have lost several friends to heavy tobacco smoking and my father was seriously disabled that way - he started heavy smoking in the navy during the war and it was only in the 1960's that smoking was revealed to be a health hazard. Alcohol is simarly a major health hazard when consumed to excess.

I am a moderate drinker and can "take it or leave it" and I am grateful for that. I also sniff poppers from time to time.
I have no idea what Yaba does for you as I have never tried it - it seems to be the major drug in Pats. Occasionally I am approached to buy weed there, but as I have said I dislike to idea of smoking so again I have never tried it.

Police raids in Sunee are occasional occurance and I have been caught up in a couple, but as said before they do not seem to pose any threat to farangs, only to temporarily remove most of the boys, so do not deter me from visiting.

[joe552]

... if you some drugs and allow yourself to become a dick when on them etc and let them fuck up your life then you're a dick

I may be over-reacting here NIrish Guy, but you don't seem to be making any allowance for the fact that addiction (whether to booze, drugs or gambling) is not something you allow to happen. Maybe that's not what you meant?

The issue here though, surely, is not our drug or alcohol use, but that of the boys we go with. I could tell if a boy was drunk, but have no idea how to tell if he's using yabba (ice). I have no idea if there's a higher percentage of drug addicts among the working boys than the general population, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was.

[francois]

Exactly Matt! Gays don't come to Sin City for a prayer meeting although they do worship at the altar of Eros and Hermaphroditus and of course, Dionysus.

[Thai Dyed]

Gays don't come to Sin City for a prayer meeting although they do worship at the altar of Eros and Hermaphroditus and of course, Dionysus.

Amen !

No you're right JOE !!!! lol , I was speaking generally and not making any real allowance for "addiction" - and whilst I've some sympathy for people that genuinely find themselves in that position I do from experience also hold back some smypathy as I know several friends over over the years who have screwed up their lives with drink and drugs and wouldn't be what one would consider to be medically addicted but simply kept on "kicking the ass of it" partying wise when the rest of the of us knew when to stop and go back to work etc and that absolutely was their choice and at the end of it they may have turned round and said "oh I couldn't stop I just got hooked on the buzz etc" but from my own experience I believe that more to be about their own life choices rather than medical addiction - and they are the people to whom I referred to as "being dicks" and I've very little sympathy for. And to clarify I relate this mainly to recreational drug use and not "hard" drugs which I accept is a slightly different kettle of fish perhaps - but I'll be honest as to me the same "general" rule usually still applies in my book and I've very little time for people looking for sympathy as victims of their own choices - IMHO.

[joe552]

please don't call me Scots :occasion9:

Ha ha Sorry Joe I must have glanced at another post and thought your's came from Mr Scottish himself - however with your correction I'm not sure who's more offended now, you or him ! lol :-)

And anyway what do you mean - go back and read the post, it doesn't say Scot's it say Joe !!! so what are you talking about, I demand an apology immediately !! lol Actually it's been a LONG time since anyone has stooped so low as to go back and edit a post just to cover their tracks after making some slip up somewhere - which is a great indictation of the boards health that people are happy enough to leave whatever mistakes are made without feeling the "need" to go back and cover it up - shows we're all not taking life too seriously which is great :-)

[artic55]

Sex, Drugs, Prostitution, Underage it all comes with the territory, be it Sunee, Boystown or the girly bars, this is what makes Pattaya what it is,and we keep going there. Raids or no raids are not going to change it, so f****ng deal with it!!

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, neither am I. I don't do any drugs anymore, but have done my share in the past. 30 now though, so too old for that stuff. I doubt me on a mushroom trip would go over very well these days. :-)

It's just... you're going to Pattaya, not Palm Springs. I don't understand why some people get worked up over the sleaze in Pattaya, because the sleaze is the whole reason people go there. It's like this magical place where you can let your hair down, party like a rock star, and have loads of crazy sex every day. You can't do that in your home country, which is why people goto Pattaya.

If someone needs a nice, professional, sterile environment, then go on a gay cruise, or contract out a high-end gay escort agency in Spain, or something. If Pattaya isn't a red light district, it takes all the fun out of it, and defeats the whole purpose of going there. :-)

[joe552]

totally agree with the last two posters - Pattaya is what it is, and that's why we go. I've only used drugs occasionally and it was many years ago. my drug of choice is alcohol and that suits me. but 'up to you' what you want to take.

but I repeat my earlier point - the police raids are nothing to do with us - they only target the boys (or girls in Soi 6). and there is undoubtedly a drug problem among (some) sex workers in Pattaya. how widespread it is, I don't know - but it's there, hence the raids.

there is undoubtedly a drug problem among (some) sex workers in Pattaya. but it's there, hence the raids.

Call me a cynic but I seriously doubt that the raids are about anyone actually "caring" about a possible drugs situation in Pattaya and probably more about some top policeman looking to make his mark, get his picture in the paper, get himself lined up for promotion at a later date and line a few pockets while they're at it - but again maybe I'm just a cynic and it's all being done as the Government are concerned about the health of their sex workers citizens - but I doubt it somehow :-)

[joe552]

no, you're spot on NI guy. it's not about dealing with any drug problem there might be.