My introduction via an unexpected HJ

Hello all,
I'm a newbie to this forum, and I'll tell you why. I went to my usual massage place last Saturday, going in deciding that I wanted to relax with an oil massage rather than get beat up with a trad Thai. Plus, I /do/ like getting undressed and having hands on my skin, male or female - massages are great.

The guy at the counter, who has been there the five weeks I've been there and every time I've gone in, asked me if I wanted the Thai, and when I told him a 2 hour oil, he was the one to lead me to the upstairs massage tables, which are nothing fancy - about four or five, curtained off from each other, not high end by any means but clean, tables are firm, all was good.

He washed my feet and I laid down naked and covered myself on the table - but when he moved from my back down to my lower body, he just pulled the towel off and worked on me in the open air. Hmm, this is unusual, I thought - but enjoyable, and I felt some stirrings. When he worked my buttocks and my legs, his hands grazed ever more convincingly against my balls. Hmm, again, unusual I thought but yes - enjoyable. I felt hard.

On my back, covered up, he leaves then comes back, more oil (I'm tall, I guess he misjudged). Again off with the towel, open air! My peen instantly responded, and I made sighs and motions that I was 'sorry' and "oh, wish that would go away". Eyes closed, no reaction from him. My peen went hard and soft(ish) throughout the time he expertly worked my legs, my mind racing ("is this happening? Am I going to get a HJ, or am I misreading things?").

He moved to my chest, so he was standing behind my head, working down my chest to my belly. I felt him delicately playing with my nipples as he worked my chest, and Whoops - full salute. I no longer was playing like it would go away.

When he got down to my legs, still with my eyes closed, he just did the most wonderful arm and hand motions around my inner thighs, side of his palm grazing my balls and with one of my legs in the air, his forearm slipping up my crack and along my sac then my hard peen. It was heavenly.

Legs down, I decided (this was probably 90 minutes in!) to let him do me, and all I did was raise my hips ever so slightly in the air against his touch and he instantly did this smooth, barely noticeable flick with his hands around my erection and brought me to an explosive and pleasurable ending. That was 90 minutes of hard/soft/hard/soft etc. that went off like a rocket, and he never said a word, just helped me along. I sighed, he milked me gently, then deftly cleaned and covered me up and finished working my face, my neck and my back as I was sitting up.

I was flush, sated, and had a phenomenal massage to boot. The massage was on the books for 700 baht (I know, right?), and I tipped him 100 going out the door - me being such a newbie, and not having seen any of these gay or straight boards to learn the "ins and outs" of sensual massages, I felt like it was a beautiful experience, organic, touching.

Sidenote: I'm straight. Or I /was/ (another Thailand board where I shared this, everyone piled on me and many called me out as "homo" etc. To be fair, those were far outnumbered by all the guys who applauded me for being "brave" and for sharing with them.)

One of them PM'd me on his way out of Thailand and recommended your forum along with a few Gay Thailand sites. Because, you know, now that I'm no longer just "curious" :idea1:

Finally - is this unusual, to get an unexpected and unsolicited HJ? Should I expect the same thing if I go back? Should I tip him more if/when I do?

To be honest, I'm more conflicted over whether I broke some unspoken rules about financial exchange for a sensual massage than I am about my sexuality (although I'll have a hard time explaining this to the wife!)

Thanks for letting me share. Any and all respectful comments or advice much appreciated. I'm new to this, but it was so enjoyable that I want to go again and again. Where better to explore myself than in the Land of Smiles?

[cdnmatt]

Ohhh, come on. No offense, but I think we all know who you are.

This is just getting to be sad now...

Ohhh, come on. No offense, but I think we all know who you are.

This is just getting to be sad now...

I'm sorry, but WHAT?

Ohhh, come on. No offense, but I think we all know who you are.

This is just getting to be sad now...

I'm sorry, I don't understand why you say that.

Well I dunno who cdnmatt thinks Chacal60 is, but it can't be Beachy - he didn't include any pics from the internet.

:evil4:

Well I dunno who cdnmatt thinks Chacal60 is, but it can't be Beachy - he didn't include any pics from the internet.

:evil4:

I'm just a guy who had a very pleasant, albeit unexpected experience in Bangkok. I hoped I'd get some supportive and constructive feedback.

I guess maybe this community is struggling with some members who aren't transparent with their intentions? That's not me.

I've found some great resources here - your trip reports on Senso and Candle Paradise are particularly helpful, as I have my sights set on them. So thank you for that.

Be well, and be kind all.

[francois]

I'm just a guy who had a very pleasant, albeit unexpected experience in Bangkok. I hoped I'd get some supportive and constructive feedback.
Be well, and be kind all.

I think that you over-tipped the masseur.

Oh don't fret. We have a few members on this board that are always a bit skeptical of new members and think everyone is trying to sign up with different user names, which is against the forum rules.

If you are genuinely new then I apologize on behalf of our jumpy members and hope that you join the ranks of our members and have a good time.
RIGHT GUYS??!!

Give a person a break and wait until you have absolute proof that someone is a fake before you jump down their throats. Then report it to her majesty the Queen of SGF.

Give a person a break and wait until you have absolute proof that someone is a fake ..........

But of course there in lies the rub as in being anonymous by it's nature no one can or EVER will be able to prove such a thing, and the mulitiple posting / profiles is all now starting to change from something that was perhaps just slightly humourous or "odd" to something much more strange and maybe perhaps just a little disconcerting now.

To the point where one doesn't even feel confident replying to any "new" posters as it could well be the same person or persons simply "at their work" - and if people on the board don't feel confident in responding to new posters then surely that can't be a good thing for the board itself in the long term - so perhaps any person's who have in the (very recent) past ( like just today lol) posted multiple posts under multiple profiles well maybe they should think on about that and just think about the damage they are doing to the board in general ( which they obviously enjoy being a memeber of as much as the rest of us) as I can see this current wave of distrust wearing a bit thin very quickly to all concerned, including of course new members who may wish to join in too perhaps, but decide not to as they wonder what the HELL is going on and simply move on.

So, here's to a bit of sanity perhaps - I'll not hold my breath! lol :-)

[Geezer]

A honeypot post by a newbie is deservedly suspect.

its more dubious due to the fact his profile shows nothing ..

[quote="Chacal60"] I hoped I'd get some supportive and constructive feedback. [quote]

To be fair you're in a gay chat room not an online counselling service :-) and I've no idea whether you're genuine or not or just our usual Billy bullshiter at his work as usual but if not I don't know whether you've met many gay guys on your travels in the past - but if not let me help you out about the whole wanting "support and constructive feedback"..... don't hold your breath as I think that's a different board you must be thinking of ! lol :-)

Oh poo, you can get a lot of constructive feedback and support here. Just have to go through some turds first. :tongue3:

[joe552]

Give the guy a break, I say. At least he writes well, uses proper paragraphs (ahem!) and tells a good story (true or not). Let's hear more from him before writing him off.

[christianpfc]

The massage was on the books for 700 baht (I know, right?), and I tipped him 100 going out the door
The 700 goes to the massage parlor, 100 is ok for 2 h massage with no extras, happy ending deserves more, in the 500 baht area.


Finally - is this unusual, to get an unexpected and unsolicited HJ? Should I expect the same thing if I go back? Should I tip him more if/when I do?
If you go back and get the same masseur, I think you can expect a similar treatment. You should tip more.


I guess maybe this community is struggling with some members who aren't transparent with their intentions?
Correct.

[chacal60]

Thank you - this is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. I feel bad I tipped him so low now; I am going back today, so I'll make sure he knows that there's more of a tip waiting if he throws in that nice ending.

I'm sorry that this community has had to "pull up the gates" so to speak when it comes to new members/posts. But I also get it that this isn't a place for counseling, so "lesson learned".

However, I notice that overnight my account seems to have disappeared/been deleted, so I had to register again. Used the same user ID so there's no confusion, although I think without caps on "chacal".

Did the administrator kick me off the board? If so, that is really unfortunate - better to let me know directly and I can take my ball and go home. Maybe that is why you get so many people with multiple aliases, because they get booted off? And I have no idea why it happened.

Finally, someone PMd me, but since that account went away, the PM is lost to the ether. I know I got one because I have email notifications set up, but not the content!

Your account was deleted with the spam filter and has been reinstated. The PM was from me. Now moot.

Give the guy a break, I say. At least he writes well, uses proper paragraphs (ahem!).

Ha ha well of course I have no idea to whom you could POSSIBLY be referring Joe (ahem) :-)) but at least you can take some small comfort in the fact that should I go a bit loopy like some others on here and decided to launch a few fake profiles you'd probably catch me out in seconds Lol :-))

Unless of course like some others on here I forget what my particular writing style is meant to be on a given day :-) or PERHAPS my particular style, that I know you just LOVE so much :-) is actually just another smoke screen to hide the fact that I am actually just one of a certain persons fake mental profiles !!?? Lol :-))

[joe552]

Glad you got the joke!

I don't see where in the OP matt can decide it's a false post, or one of the multi-personalities. The guy posted a review of a massage parlour - I've no reason to disbelieve it.

[cdnmatt]

I don't see where in the OP matt can decide it's a false post, or one of the multi-personalities.

Because it reads as a porn fantasy, not a factual account of a real-life experience. That, and the writing style. You can tell he wrote it with the hopes we'd all have huge hard-ons after reading it.

Anyway, looks like jinks or someone already looked into it, because he's already banned, so doesn't matter anymore. :)

Was deleted accidentally with spam filter

[Hmmm]

A quick google reveals the original post by the OP under the same name posted on a straight board, as he said he had done, and where he appears to be a regular poster ...

http://www.bangkokroughguide.info/forum ... -guy-7315/ (http://www.bangkokroughguide.info/forums/bangkoks-adult-entertainment-nightlife-13/thoughts-unexpected-hj-guy-7315/)

Make up your own mind.

[pong]

[Because it reads as a porn fantasy, not a factual account of a real-life experience. :)
NO-these things do happen daily here in BKK. There are some 40+ massageshops-like senso- where much more can be expected. These shops will have a ''minimumtip'' posted or stated (ranging from 500-1000)-though tipically in Thai it only says tip and nothing else. IF no tip is stated and there was no objection- the proof will only show on any next visit with ame masseur. 700 THB for 2 hrs oil is a bit expensive-but not so much for tipical tourist places. In fact-assuming it is all genuine and OP is str8- there are 1000s of such places also offering it from ladies.
Frankly-this time you react a bit like the proverbial Isany bumpkin not knowing bigcity life, my dear matty.

[lonelywombat]

Thanks Hmm for your post and it seems that not only beachlover raves on about new posters so does his mates. It took only 20 minutes before he got the axe.

Three pages all before he posted here. Did someone say that jinks had him deleted . That is shocking if that is so.

If he deleted himself I hope he returns. In fact I might post to him there as I have never seen that forum anyway.

[chacal60]

That is indeed me. Thanks to the believers, too bad for the rest. "porn fantasy"? It was indeed, except real.

Sadly, I just returned from the same place, and my guy was at the desk but he handed me immediately off to a woman. A great massage (that's why I go there) but her approach was entirely different - only the parts she massaged were exposed, and any erection she managed to keep firmly under control by bunching up the towel against my groin. Standard.

I think he must have been miffed at my low tip. And if I were better at this, I would have sweetened him up with assurances of a better tip, but I'm not that out, yet, I guess. I'll have to go somewhere like Senso where it is obvious what I'm looking for to get more hands-on.

Thanks again, all.

Ps: why does being able to write make me suspect?! That's a little sad, fellows :8(


A quick google reveals the original post by the OP under the same name posted on a straight board, as he said he had done, and where he appears to be a regular poster ...

http://www.bangkokroughguide.info/forum ... -guy-7315/ (http://www.bangkokroughguide.info/forums/bangkoks-adult-entertainment-nightlife-13/thoughts-unexpected-hj-guy-7315/)

Make up your own mind.

charcal ... im sure he thinks you are a very cheap charlie ... so next time stick 1000 baht on the counter as soon as you go in .. and say you want him to message you .. im sure he will then take the hint

[chacal60]

Thanks, you are right! I have one stamp left to go on my "free massage" card, so I'll put that and 1000 and say "I want you"!

[francois]

1000 Baht? 1000 Baht - 700/massage = 300 Baht tip = cheap tip???

no francois ... because then you leave the tip at the end .... 500 or another thousand .. upto you ... innit

[jinks]

... innit


For those trying to understand the written form of bad grammar.....

This translates as isn't it or is it not so

... innit


For those trying to understand the written form of bad grammar.....

This translates as isn't it or is it not so

"Innit" (in youth culture speak) is a bit more than a simple contraction

jinks, you noob -wat's crackalackin?
You off the heezy for sheezy.
Wanna cotch down at mi yard, do sum hood scratch an get off your rector, innit?

Of course, nothing is ever new - Stanley Baxter from 50 years ago

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[joe552]

Great stuff, scottish - absolute classic.

NIrishguy - you might want to look at martin911's suggestion of Manila - I was there about 10 years ago and had a great time!

NIrishguy - you might want to look at martin911's suggestion of Manila

Yeah thanks Joe, I had actually considered it at the start of my plans but the flights are always a bit dearer but when you factor in how cheap hotels and everything is when you are there it more than balances out, so yeah I'll maybe just look at that again!

[francois]

... innit
For those trying to understand the written form of bad grammar.....
This translates as isn't it or is it not so

Thank you Jinks. I thought brithai was calling me and Inuit or an Idiot.

[martin911]

Joe --how come u didnt go back in 10 years ????

NIrish -- one thing i have noticed about Manila is that for decent hotels its far from what u would think it would be - pretty exp in comparison to Bkk even !!

--im going there now for the past 3 years and pretty well know the scene there (i will even introduce u to Nathan --we call him the orgyniser )-- --i kid you not :laughing3: --great guy -will organise any type of ahem " gathering " a person mite like to partake in for their Easter break lol :evil4:

And the Phino guys love to party -- opened my eyes to a lot in the world i didnt know about before !!

Hotels are exp -- BUT entrance to obar/chelu in malate is 250p (inc 2 drinks ,try the local Red Horse beer(most of the locals do lol ) -- its so strong -dont bother with any of that wimpish San Mig lite piss )

... innit
For those trying to understand the written form of bad grammar.....
This translates as isn't it or is it not so

Thank you Jinks. I thought brithai was calling me and Inuit or an Idiot.
of course not francois .. you are one of the more gentile souls on here .. and often rather amusing ..
innit is how the teens chat these days .... so it was after a thai boys.. upto you .. i used innit ..
still got no idea what im on about tho :dontknow:
daboss i still cant do the quotey thing .. rub out what you need to ... thats rub out .. not rub off

[joe552]

martin, I discovered Pattaya and fell in love with a barboy - how unusual is that? but I might consider Manila again for next year.

im lucky im poor .. i cant afford to fall in love with a bar boy .. or should that be a cheap charlie ... :) must admit altho i do finds thais very attractive and pretty .. i really couldnt fall for one .. im far to sceptical.

[joe552]

brithai - I'm poor now as well - don't know if there's a connection? :dontknow:

brithai - I'm poor now as well - don't know if there's a connection? :dontknow:
no joe that will be because you have spent all your money on guiness today ... happy st patricks day mister

[joe552]

thanks for that, brithai - I'm actually drinking red wine - always was a bit of a awkward sod :happy7:

[martin911]

thanks for that, brithai - I'm actually drinking red wine - always was a bit of a awkward sod :happy7:

quiet contrary myself !! a cheap Sauv Blanc !! -- drank more than enough Bulmers in my time lol

Well it appears that I'm being even more contrary as I haven't had a drop yet and actually I just can't be bothered so far today St Patricks day or not ! ( I really need to step away from this damned computer today for a while it seems! :-) but yes that wine thing sounds good Martin, I think I'll have a charge of that to start me off ......right then, now, where DID I put that bottle of Buckfast that I keep for special occasions !! lol :-)

[martin911]

Bucky !!!! now that brings back many fond memories of outdoor bushing as we used to call it down by Spanish Arch !!

Big Sigh -- note to myself its time to move on !!(same as you BL 555 )

[joe552]

Not only am I being ignored by the board stalker, now I'm being shown up by you two with your fancy Buckfast wine. Where did I go wrong?

I'm being shown up by you two with your fancy Buckfast wine. Where did I go wrong?

See, now that's because you obviously spent WAY to long sitting in all those English grammar classes in your youth at school practicing writing all those damned paragraph things that you keep trying to convince me actually exist !! lol - See now if you'd of nipped out into the trees and bushes a bit more often to join Martin and I knocking back the ould Bucky then perhaps you wouldn't have found yourself in this social mess !!

See, like I've always said about life .....everything in moderation - take "some" Bucky and learn "some" grammar and you can get by alright it seems - but too much of either one OR the other and the next thing you know you're on a internet board being ostracised by your peers and wondering to yourself just where it all went wrong !! (ahem) lol :-))

Oh and while we're on the subject of grammar and the likes....NEAL !! :-))) Is there any chance you could perhaps correct the default setting on the boards spell checker and set it back to PROPER English and not that bastardised ( or as your spell checker would like me to call it "bastardiZed" !) US English as I've just spent the last five minutes sitting trying to work out why the word ostracised kept flagging up - when all the time ( and like the opposite of all good break ups) ...it was YOU and not ME with you're bloody "z's" instead of "s" being forced upon us !! lol

PS Needless to say somehow I'll not hold my breath on this "particular" change being implemented any time soon as I guess "he who pays the piper calls the tune as we say here in Ireland" :-(( lol

On the contrary I think you've just been propositioned!
Make sure you get a few free drinks out of him first!

:laughing3:

A few drinks !!! EXCUSE ME I know how this game works ya know, it'll be more than a few drinks - several at least, plus some food from a cart on the way home AND at least 3000 baht afterwards or he's getting nothing ! lol - and yes I know 3000 is high - but hey I'm worth it ! ( he says whilst flicking his hair over his shoulder ! ) lol

And in Neal's defence I do think it was more meant as a statement of fact rather than one of intent !! lol

[joe552]

You're paying him 3,000, NIguy? More money than sense, you northerners.

[chacal60]

charcal ... im sure he thinks you are a very cheap charlie ... so next time stick 1000 baht on the counter as soon as you go in .. and say you want him to message you .. im sure he will then take the hint

I never updated the disbelievers: I did go back again, and my guy asked me if I would wait for him (he had someone scheduled). I did, and he ended up giving me the most delightful 2 hr oil and then offered (and i accepted) oral. I went twice more before I left BKK, but I heard that the shop moved (Nillada II).

[Marsilius]

A happy ending in two senses of the words!

[ofage]

I agree with ChristianPFC. 100 is a very cheapo tip. A minimum of 500 and 700 is not too much.

[latintopxxx]

...my massage costs me 500....I always get to fuck...have 3 masseurs i regularly rotate....all work in different places...... tip between 200 and 300...never had a problem....i also ask them to point out any fresh bottom meat...tip them 100 for the info if the massage/fuck is good...

[chacal60]

I agree with ChristianPFC. 100 is a very cheapo tip. A minimum of 500 and 700 is not too much.

100 seems cheap I guess if the services are pretty much known up front to include more than just "therapeutic massage". My experience was pretty "organic" in that it progressed from an oil to a HJ and then, after returns, some wonderful BJs.

After all, he could have shrugged me off after I tipped him so "low" for the first happy ending. Instead, he went out of his way to ask me if I wanted to wait for his table to open up. Call me a romantic, but I'd like to think my guy took a liking to me. He swallowed, I swooned :love4:

My challenge now is to find where his shop moved to. Anyone have a bead on where the Nillada II that used to be on Lang Suan moved to? It was previously on the ground floor of the Grand Lang Suan, but I went back last November and it was a bank, I think. I wanted to make a different kind of deposit...

[jinks]

Do you want to inject capital into his business :)