tipping guidance

Hey guys. Been reading this forum a lot lately but my first post. I will be visiting Thailand (my second time - Bangkok and Phuket) and Cambodia (Siem Reap specifically, for the first time) this month. I'm sure this question has been asked repeatedly but I can't seem to find a recent and thorough answer. I'd like to know some basic tipping guidelines for the boys (mostly in Bangkok). Some specific questions:
- Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?
- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?
- What should I expect to pay at Tawan? I know it is a bit above the other bars.

Also wondering if anyone has any tips for Siem Reap. Both in terms of non-commercial boys (are there any gay dance clubs) and recommendations for massage places.

Thanks!

[bucknaway]

Hi Terry, No need to apologize for asking a question. You will find that tips vary from Person to person. As I am not rich, I try to tip with a level head where I don't want to be the lowest or the highest tipper. Most massage places have posted minimal tips for the guys. When I went to Arena massage I was informed that the printed minimal tip would double if special services were given. So it would depend on where you go. If you go to Senso massage in Bangkok, they are higher in cost but I felt they were worth it.

The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.

You didn't ask about Pattaya but I can tell you that the guys in Pattaya would be happy with 500 baht for spending a short amount of time with you... Not all, but most....

I don't know anything about the massage guys in Pattaya.

[Brisboy82]

Hey guys. Been reading this forum a lot lately but my first post. I will be visiting Thailand (my second time - Bangkok and Phuket) and Cambodia (Siem Reap specifically, for the first time) this month. I'm sure this question has been asked repeatedly but I can't seem to find a recent and thorough answer. I'd like to know some basic tipping guidelines for the boys (mostly in Bangkok). Some specific questions:
- Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?
- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?
- What should I expect to pay at Tawan? I know it is a bit above the other bars.

Also wondering if anyone has any tips for Siem Reap. Both in terms of non-commercial boys (are there any gay dance clubs) and recommendations for massage places.

Thanks!

In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.

In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.

That is quite an accomplishment since showers are needed between each session ( I would think ) :8(

[Brisboy82]

That is quite an accomplishment since showers are needed between each session ( I would think ) :8(

No need for shower just change condom. I didnt go into the actual hot sauna part. I walked in and someone followed me to a cubicle. After he left someone else showed up etc. No need to shower unless you get cum in your hair. First guy I swallowed and second guy cum on himself.

[latintopxxx]

BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...

[Brisboy82]

BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...

Indeed. It's a bit excessive. Good on the boys of they can milk thT much out of the farangs though. More fool the farang.

[newalaan]

Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?Regarding massage place tips, for a full sex session in a massage place, it would be 'normal' to tip about Bt1000, same as if you take off the boy from agogo on a short time basis, for long time nearer Bt1500 would be the 'norm' in Pattaya and Phuket in my experience. For Bkk my norm would be bt1000 for massage tip, and i have only ever paid bt1000 short time and bt1500 longtime there over the years, however i do know some boys in Bkk expect bt1500 for short time and Bt2000 for long time and so i suppose that would probably be the 'norm' for Bkk. Sorry but can't comment on Tawan, a place i have never been to or would ever consider going to, as i am not into old/old-looking bulky guys with un-naturally 'formed' bodies. I find body-builders repulsive and would never go with a guy who was straight and therefore guaranteed not to have good sexual chemistry with you, my preference/opinion only of course.
The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.This must be the first time i have ever heard of the customer 'negotiating' UP from the boys original request. Where does this 'negotiation' kick-in if the request for Bt500 is increased to Bt1700?
Indeed. It's a bit excessive. Good on the boys of they can milk thT much out of the farangs though. More fool the farang
BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...Latinpoxxx, while you seem to be satisfied to fuck anything with a pulse for as little as you 'can get away with' as possible, some are happy to pay a fair, or in this case, more than fair price for time with someone they particularly like, the word for that would be 'generous' not 'foolish' Brisboy82. That said, it does raise the puzzling question of why bucknaway, known by his own admission to be very 'careful' with cash is happy to pay Bt1700 for short time in Phuket when a request for bt500 has been made. Given the amount of time afforded by him in his posts over the years on the subject of his belief (some might call 'delusion') in his 'apparent' attractiveness to all, one would have to wonder why he would need/want to be paying at all with all those 'free sex' offers he enjoys telling us all about at any given opportunity.

This is more an observation based on bucknaway's own writings about himself over the years, than an intentional 'flaming incident' as I wouldn't want to upset the sensibilities of the person responsible for the lastet round of 'moderation' regarding numerous 'deletions' (not those regarding underage comments)on other threads.

[martin911]

Hi Terry, No need to apologize for asking a question. You will find that tips vary from Person to person. As I am not rich, I try to tip with a level head where I don't want to be the lowest or the highest tipper. Most massage places have posted minimal tips for the guys. When I went to Arena massage I was informed that the printed minimal tip would double if special services were given. So it would depend on where you go. If you go to Senso massage in Bangkok, they are higher in cost but I felt they were worth it.

The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.

You didn't ask about Pattaya but I can tell you that the guys in Pattaya would be happy with 500 baht for spending a short amount of time with you... Not all, but most....

I don't know anything about the massage guys in Pattaya.


Sorry but i just want to ask you this ??? --when you say" not all ,but most" would be as u say "happy" with 500b !!-- what the fuck are you basing that on ??-is this what you pay ??

You are here what a few weeks/days in the year ?? so u have got that opinion from where ?? being with loads and loads of guys ??

and when you were here last OCT (around then ) when i saw you (twice ) I didnt exactly see loads of guys in your company looking for your loving -
Free or not !!!!!
In fact both times i saw you you were in FACT alone !!!

Newallen asks a good question in his post here --given the many writings over the years by Buck

what a crock of shit!!!! re the 500 b
Do you really think these thai boys are happy to take 500 b and do some of the things that farangs ask them to do
i know 2 guys that work in the bars,and that stay in my place ( as friends/to help them out/nothing else!! ) for the past year or so and i can tell you that they are not happy with some of the small money like that that some farang offer them

I have seen some of their ans on GR etc to such requests --/sat eating food with lots of their friends in the same bars and hear how they talk about such farang --its a very hot topic among the bar boys -- they will endure overweight/certain requests, somebody fucking them a longtime /pain etc (many types of tablets to cure a sore asshole ,to enable them to go to work again that day if neccessary )--but" kineaow " (meanness ) is considered one of the worst traits to find in a farang customer !!!--they KNOW any farang that has spent the type of money to get to Thailand has enough to give them that extra 500/1000 etc !!!!!!!!!!!!

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!


And shame on any farang that does -less than the price of a fast food meal in most farang home country !!!!!!!!!!

[martin911]

In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.

Jesus wept --another tight arsed farang !!!

[martin911]

BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...

And yet another !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can i ask Brisbane and Latin this ??

---- do ye actually get a sort of thrill in getting the price down with the guys for their sexual servicies in the same way as you would get in haggling the price of a watch/tshirt etc from a market trader in Patpong or similar market stall !!

Good feeling eh ????

[latintopxxx]

Martin911...the answer is yes YES and most definitely yes...read some of my old posts....half my pleasure is in the chase...in this case lowest price for max service...it's simply sex...not love..
I have fairly extensive experience where Thai blue collar wages are concerned and BHT500 for a 2 to 3 hour session is plenty...now if you have inherited a small fortune and feel that you need to distribute your wealth please go ahead....

[martin911]

Martin911...the answer is yes YES and most definitely yes...read some of my old posts....half my pleasure is in the chase...in this case lowest price for max service...it's simply sex...not love..
I have fairly extensive experience where Thai blue collar wages are concerned and BHT500 for a 2 to 3 hour session is plenty...now if you have inherited a small fortune and feel that you need to distribute your wealth please go ahead....


I expected the part of the ans that you Would in fact enjoy beating the price down .!!! pure trash

What i did not expect you to say the part re inheriting small fortune and distribute the wealth bit !!!--

Are you not the guy that claims he is als flying here and there on business ????

Now to my mind somebody that does this type of " work traveling " either on behalf of himself (owns the business ) ,or as a job ( which involves a lot of responsibility and the high salary which such a position would pay ) that in either case that this person would not be the kind of person who needs to or likes to haggle down from 1000b for sex ( with somebody that is a lot poorer )-- and that this is a way of losing your small fortune bla bla bla --

That for the smallest fraction of your airfares/salary etc u begrudge the extra 500/1000 to somebody who for whatever reason sells their bodies for other peoples enjoynment ??

It sounds like a response from somebody that is of lower blue shirt working class !! not the well traveled person you claim to be !
I could not care less for what you claim to be/do - and im sure it works back same from you to me or any other board members -- but your statement jars from what you have claimed in the past (in my mind )

You sound like the type of person who is living his life out of some saggy recliner,in a trailer park in downtown nowhere ,(who just happens to have access to the internet(prob comes as part of the monthly porn package you have signed up for (but is prob 3 months in arrears on )-- and begrudges
others who actually do get to meet thai guys --





I am also somebody who gets almost as much out of the chase as what happens after --- but i never ever enters my head to bargain somebody down from 1000/1500 --i simply do not need that extra cash in my pocket going home after a hook up - (and i did not inheirt any fortune ,but worked for what i have ) -- --
You say u bargain because u like the chase --- :occasion9: rubbish ,

its not any type of a chase if one person is paying for the service !!

[RonanTheBarbarian]

In fairness to Bucknaway, I do not think he ever claimed that he only paid 500 baht on any occasion. In fact he seems to be claiming that he mostly paid what he thought in excess of the going rate, and indicated that 1700 baht was his minimum.
All he claimed was that some guys in Pattayya would be happy to get 500 baht. I think he meant it more in the sense that "they would agree to go with you for a while" for 500 baht, rather than that they would be delighted with the money. I do not think Bucknaway meant to suggest that paying 500 was an admirable thing to do.

Just because you bargain with a guy does not mean that you are a complete grinch. I bargained a Tawan guy down from 3000 for short time to 2000 once. But mostly when I have been with guys in Pattaya the amount was never fixed beforehand, so I usually just gave what I thought was a bit over the odds.

Giving advice on Forums can be contentious. If somebody asks a question on pricing in Sunee Plaza, say, and you know that many barboys will agree to go for you for short time for 500 baht, should you give that advice ("the minimum they will go with you for is 500 baht short time") or should you give a more "politically correct" answer and say the minimum is 1000 baht? (the more decent option for sure).

If you push the pricing up too much with your advice you will inevitably attract the attention of a tight-wad (usually a retired expat), who will come storming on the thread to "correct" your advice on extravagant paying.

That is quite apart from Latinopxxx, who is quite forthright about how stiffing the guys on their payment is part of the thrill for him, the sad sack....the likes of him are best ignored.

If you are friend with the boys like you are, Martin, you will naturally tend to see paying somewhat over going rate as the more decent option...but if you are a hard-pressed tourist perhaps you just want to pay a "fair" rate, leaving the philanthropy side of it to the wealthier tourists.

I know the usual answer too budget tourists is , if you don't have enough money, do not come. But if only the wealthier tourist come, there is less of an industry for everybody - I am sure that the less busy guys in Sunee would prefer to have two budget tourist customers in a week who each who pay 800 baht short time than one generous guy who pays 1500.


What I think is fairest is to provide a range, from the minimum reasonable amount to what would be seen as generous and let the new tourist choose for himself how generous he wants to be.

My take on it would be:

In Bangkok 1000-1200 would be the minimum acceptable tip for short time. Getting 2000 for short time would be reasonably common, I think. In Tawan they would expect 2000 as the minimum.
Add 700 baht to those minimum amounts to get minimum for an overnight. Getting above 2000 for short time and above 3000 for overnight would be seen as generous.

For a massage, in Bangkok 1000 baht would be the mimimum acceptable tip for a "special massage", (often the massage parlour menu will state this).
Above 1800 would be seen as generous.

In Pattaya, 800 to 1000 baht would be seen as the minimum tip for short time. (perhaps in Boyztown more towards the 1000). If anybody volunteers that he would go with you for 500 it is because he is desperate. Do you really want to be taking advantage of this?

1500 to 1700 would be the minimum for overnight.

In massage, I would feel less able to say what is expected. However, roughly speaking, for a one-hour special massage in Pattaya the minimum tip (not including the massage fee paid to the house) would be around the 800 baht mark.

I would stress to the OP, that if you are well-off financially, that you should definitely see the above prices as a MINIMUM. Remember that most of these guys come from extremely poor Isaan backgrounds, and are providing a good service for very little in Western terms. There is good karma to be gained by being generous if you can afford it!

[goji]

For a massage, in Bangkok 1000 baht would be the mimimum acceptable tip for a "special massage", (often the massage parlour menu will state this). Above 1800 would be seen as generous.

It must depend on how special the massage is? In Bangkok they often ask for 500 to add a hand job to standard massage, so to pay more would be very generous.
Presumably the 1000 figure applies where everything is on offer?

[Impulse]

I give at a minimum 1,000 short time,and 1,5oo long time.These cheapskates on here are pathetic.
If i'm real satisfied with them I might add on 500 more to these amounts.One guy I was with in Pattaya i gave 4,000 baht for overnight.he wanted to make a special trip from his home town to meet me on my next trip.Ha ha.
I look at it this way.If one of these guys were your boyfriend,the cost might really add up.I tip well and walk away without any comitments,and I tell them that I will treat them well when in their country,but will not send money.
I look at it as a challenge to myself to invest my money better throughout the year so I can enjoy myself when I visit for the short amount of time I do.Try to treat them as humans than some fruit in the market.

[bucknaway]

Sorry but i just want to ask you this ??? --when you say" not all ,but most" would be as u say "happy" with 500b !!-- what the fuck are you basing that on ??-is this what you pay ??

You are here what a few weeks/days in the year ?? so u have got that opinion from where ?? being with loads and loads of guys ??

and when you were here last OCT (around then ) when i saw you (twice ) I didnt exactly see loads of guys in your company looking for your loving -
Free or not !!!!!
In fact both times i saw you you were in FACT alone !!!

Newallen asks a good question in his post here --given the many writings over the years by Buck

what a crock of shit!!!! re the 500 b
Do you really think these thai boys are happy to take 500 b and do some of the things that farangs ask them to do
i know 2 guys that work in the bars,and that stay in my place ( as friends/to help them out/nothing else!! ) for the past year or so and i can tell you that they are not happy with some of the small money like that that some farang offer them

I have seen some of their ans on GR etc to such requests --/sat eating food with lots of their friends in the same bars and hear how they talk about such farang --its a very hot topic among the bar boys -- they will endure overweight/certain requests, somebody fucking them a longtime /pain etc (many types of tablets to cure a sore asshole ,to enable them to go to work again that day if neccessary )--but" kineaow " (meanness ) is considered one of the worst traits to find in a farang customer !!!--they KNOW any farang that has spent the type of money to get to Thailand has enough to give them that extra 500/1000 etc !!!!!!!!!!!!

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!


And shame on any farang that does -less than the price of a fast food meal in most farang home country !!!!!!!!!!

I stand by my post. If you have a different opinion than share it. I offered my opinion and i'm not going to argue or fight about it. I will offer my thoughts and move on. If you want an argument than you will have to do it on your own :)

[Brisboy82]

For a massage, in Bangkok 1000 baht would be the mimimum acceptable tip for a "special massage", (often the massage parlour menu will state this). Above 1800 would be seen as generous.

It must depend on how special the massage is? In Bangkok they often ask for 500 to add a hand job to standard massage, so to pay more would be very generous.
Presumably the 1000 figure applies where everything is on offer?

Well then I was ripped off. I tipped
1000 for a massage with a happy ending and nothing special happened.

[latintopxxx]

martin...the chase is in negotiating the price down...maybe you feel less guilty by paying more...but a whore is a whore no matter how much is negotiated...and it still makes you a "john"..
I simply relish negotiating the price down and then climbing on and making full use of my purchase...

Ronan....I never stiff a boy on payment...what we negotiate and agree (time...what I expect..) I pay....if the whore doesn't perform...I deduct...or threaten to unless he changes his mind...classic is when I've been pumping away at his butt for a short while and he wants to stop...say after only been in my room fpr 30 min and we agreed on a 2 hour session...i just tell him to go and throw a 1/4 of the agreed amount on the floor at his feet...they very quickly realise that performance and satisfaction is required and have a quick rethink.....very rarely has the whore walked...
same in my job...if I don't perform as agreed I dont get paid...why should I give a whore better terms...
Goji...try prime massage...same soi as Tawan...massage is 400.....I always fuck the boy and tip him 300...they have yet to turn me away...been there at least 30 times in the last 4 years..
anyone whoe wants to pay gazzilions for a fuck is welome...it's their money....I just lump them into the same class as people who pay RUR3,50 for a starbucks coffee...its a con...

[Brisboy82]

Laos is my favourite place of all!

[CoffeeBreak]

I give at a minimum 1,000 short time,and 1,5oo long time.These cheapskates on here are pathetic.
If i'm real satisfied with them I might add on 500 more to these amounts.One guy I was with in Pattaya i gave 4,000 baht for overnight.he wanted to make a special trip from his home town to meet me on my next trip.Ha ha.
I look at it this way.If one of these guys were your boyfriend,the cost might really add up.I tip well and walk away without any comitments,and I tell them that I will treat them well when in their country,but will not send money.
I look at it as a challenge to myself to invest my money better throughout the year so I can enjoy myself when I visit for the short amount of time I do.Try to treat them as humans than some fruit in the market.

-Agree with rocket about the pathetic cheapskates here. But its' annoying that those of us who tip reasonably or generously are in effect subsidising these "cheap charlies".

[Brisboy82]

I give at a minimum 1,000 short time,and 1,5oo long time.These cheapskates on here are pathetic.
If i'm real satisfied with them I might add on 500 more to these amounts.One guy I was with in Pattaya i gave 4,000 baht for overnight.he wanted to make a special trip from his home town to meet me on my next trip.Ha ha.
I look at it this way.If one of these guys were your boyfriend,the cost might really add up.I tip well and walk away without any comitments,and I tell them that I will treat them well when in their country,but will not send money.
I look at it as a challenge to myself to invest my money better throughout the year so I can enjoy myself when I visit for the short amount of time I do.Try to treat them as humans than some fruit in the market.

-Agree with rocket about the pathetic cheapskates here. But its' annoying that those of us who tip reasonably or generously are in effect subsidising these "cheap charlies".
Usually i give them
1000 baht even if they only
Ask for 500. I don't think 1000 baht is being a cheapskate since that's a weeks wage for an unskilled worker.

I do agree on the figures of 1000 standard for ST and 1500 standard for LT + if in BKK/HKT/CM add on 500B to both (again, standard rates)

These rates must be the only prices that haven't gone up in 10 years in Thailand!!

But you will still get a small number of punters who will try to seek out boys who will accept 500B - I know this because they usually end up appearing in the Pattaya Daily News (attempting to cover their faces), and the figures are revealed in the story!

:occasion9:

[Brisboy82]

I do agree on the figures of 1000 standard for ST and 1500 standard for LT + if in BKK/HKT/CM add on 500B to both (again, standard rates)

These rates must be the only prices that haven't gone up in 10 years in Thailand!!

But you will still get a small number of punters who will try to seek out boys who will accept 500B - I know this because they usually end up appearing in the Pattaya Daily News (attempting to cover their faces), and the figures are revealed in the story!

:occasion9:
One thing that we need to keep in mind is this fact that the amount hasn't increased in over a decade so life must be a lot more tough for the boys than it was before

[a447]

been there at least 30 times in the last 4 years.

Pure bullshit. You haven't been in Thailand since at least 2009.


You sound like the type of person who is living his life out of some saggy recliner,in a trailer park in downtown nowhere ,(who just happens to have access to the internet(prob comes as part of the monthly porn package you have signed up for (but is prob 3 months in arrears on )-- and begrudges
others who actually do get to meet thai guys --

Martin, you may be right. I actually think he is an English expat living in Spain eking out a miserable living on his worthless pommy pension. Someone who may have travelled to LOS once.

He is quick to reply to comments on his posts but suddenly disappears from the forum if asked a hard question re his fantasy visits to Thailand.
I asked him in one thread why he used the same "evidence" as he did back in 2009 to prove he'd recently been in LOS. Didn't get a reply.
And his description of the guys at Krazy Dragon was way off the mark. Obvioulsy hasn't been near the place.

As for fees, Pattaya 1000 ST 1500 LT, Bkk 1500 ST 2000 LT. Plus a trip to 7/11 for cigarettes, snacks, etc.

[Brisboy82]

BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...

And yet another !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can i ask Brisbane and Latin this ??

---- do ye actually get a sort of thrill in getting the price down with the guys for their sexual servicies in the same way as you would get in haggling the price of a watch/tshirt etc from a market trader in Patpong or similar market stall !!

Good feeling eh ????

Personally I never haggle. I give the boy what he asks or if ideally like him I give me more. Most boys ask 500-1000. I never give less than they ask.

[latintopxxx]

a477...finally....what took you so long...had to wait until the 1st of the month for the dole cheque to kick in..... pay for your internet subscription...

[goji]

Well for adding a hand job to a massage, some guys ASK for 500 baht in advance. So I conclude that is sufficient, because it's their opening request, not some figure I beat them down to.
Add in sex to the massage & 1000 baht must be a good starting point, with more if service is good.

Gogo staff in BKK seem to expect around 1500 short time. In Pattaya 1000 short time, 1500 long time.

As a reference to the wider economy, Thai graduates often start on 15,000 baht a month in professional jobs, so about 700 baht a day. Paying 1500 baht short time is like 2 days salary for a graduate.

[Brisboy82]

Well for adding a hand job to a massage, some guys ASK for 500 baht in advance. So I conclude that is sufficient, because it's their opening request, not some figure I beat them down to.
Add in sex to the massage & 1000 baht must be a good starting point, with more if service is good.

Gogo staff in BKK seem to expect around 1500 short time. In Pattaya 1000 short time, 1500 long time.

As a reference to the wider economy, Thai graduates often start on 15,000 baht a month in professional jobs, so about 700 baht a day. Paying 1500 baht short time is like 2 days salary for a graduate.
For most I these boys being a graduate is impossible to contemplate. They usually haven't even been to high school. Therefore the minimum wage is a more accurate comparison.

The minimum wage in Thailand is Currently around 150 baht per day.

[pong]

NO-that WAS long ago-and strange howit may appear to you, these rates have been raised twice/year and in fact depend on the province. Currently in BKk its about 230/240-to just under 200 in the poorest of isan chiangwats. As about anyone who follows Thai politics will know, one major promise of the redshirt taksin follwers was to raise it to 300 bt/day -has yet to happen
For BKK and the m2m msg shops: you all have a small world, as you only seem to be able to think of the centre-Silom ghetto area. Out of it the min tip is mostly 500-and many boys with whom i talked said this was the normal rate too-for Thai. Can include ''everything'' - no real negotation needed.
The quoted amounts that ''have not been raised'' since the last x yrs were far too high then and still are. No wonder they give you a false impression.
What HAS raised in the last 10 yrs or so is the complete inability of newcome tourists to bargain properly with knowing the normal prices-for things like those dreaded tuktuks, T-shirts etc- no wonder such a grasshopper pague of crooks is trying to eke out a living on that. or stimulate the Phuket etc creeps

[Brisboy82]

NO-that WAS long ago-and strange howit may appear to you, these rates have been raised twice/year and in fact depend on the province. Currently in BKk its about 230/240-to just under 200 in the poorest of isan chiangwats. As about anyone who follows Thai politics will know, one major promise of the redshirt taksin follwers was to raise it to 300 bt/day -has yet to happen
For BKK and the m2m msg shops: you all have a small world, as you only seem to be able to think of the centre-Silom ghetto area. Out of it the min tip is mostly 500-and many boys with whom i talked said this was the normal rate too-for Thai. Can include ''everything'' - no real negotation needed.
The quoted amounts that ''have not been raised'' since the last x yrs were far too high then and still are. No wonder they give you a false impression.
What HAS raised in the last 10 yrs or so is the complete inability of newcome tourists to bargain properly with knowing the normal prices-for things like those dreaded tuktuks, T-shirts etc- no wonder such a grasshopper pague of crooks is trying to eke out a living on that. or stimulate the Phuket etc creeps
Speaking of tuk Tuks I avoid them completely in Bangkok is I have never found a tuk tuk willing to even match the price of a proper taxi.

[latintopxxx]

OMG...gasp...seems like pong is in agreement with me...good thing i was sitting down when I read his posting......taking into account the minimum wage...and what a recent graduate earns...tipping 1500 for overnight is silly...you might as well stamp atm over your forehead.....

OMG...gasp...seems like pong is in agreement with me...good thing i was sitting down when I read his posting......taking into account the minimum wage...and what a recent graduate earns...tipping 1500 for overnight is silly...you might as well stamp atm over your forehead.....

Frankly, who other than a cretin would take any advice from YOU on matters of sex etiquette - commercial or otherwise?

:occasion9:

[martin911]

Hi Terry, No need to apologize for asking a question. You will find that tips vary from Person to person. As I am not rich, I try to tip with a level head where I don't want to be the lowest or the highest tipper. Most massage places have posted minimal tips for the guys. When I went to Arena massage I was informed that the printed minimal tip would double if special services were given. So it would depend on where you go. If you go to Senso massage in Bangkok, they are higher in cost but I felt they were worth it.

The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.

You didn't ask about Pattaya but I can tell you that the guys in Pattaya would be happy with 500 baht for spending a short amount of time with you... Not all, but most....

I don't know anything about the massage guys in Pattaya.


Sorry but i just want to ask you this ??? --when you say" not all ,but most" would be as u say "happy" with 500b !!-- what the fuck are you basing that on ??-is this what you pay ??

You are here what a few weeks/days in the year ?? so u have got that opinion from where ?? being with loads and loads of guys ??

and when you were here last OCT (around then ) when i saw you (twice ) I didnt exactly see loads of guys in your company looking for your loving -
Free or not !!!!!
In fact both times i saw you you were in FACT alone !!!

Newallen asks a good question in his post here --given the many writings over the years by Buck

what a crock of shit!!!! re the 500 b
Do you really think these thai boys are happy to take 500 b and do some of the things that farangs ask them to do
i know 2 guys that work in the bars,and that stay in my place ( as friends/to help them out/nothing else!! ) for the past year or so and i can tell you that they are not happy with some of the small money like that that some farang offer them

I have seen some of their ans on GR etc to such requests --/sat eating food with lots of their friends in the same bars and hear how they talk about such farang --its a very hot topic among the bar boys -- they will endure overweight/certain requests, somebody fucking them a longtime /pain etc (many types of tablets to cure a sore asshole ,to enable them to go to work again that day if neccessary )--but" kineaow " (meanness ) is considered one of the worst traits to find in a farang customer !!!--they KNOW any farang that has spent the type of money to get to Thailand has enough to give them that extra 500/1000 etc !!!!!!!!!!!!

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!


And shame on any farang that does -less than the price of a fast food meal in most farang home country !!!!!!!!!!

I stand by my post. If you have a different opinion than share it. I offered my opinion and i'm not going to argue or fight about it. I will offer my thoughts and move on. If you want an argument than you will have to do it on your own :)

I think if you read my above post Buck you might just realise that i have shared my different opinion !!
So you stand by your post and will move on - well bully for you !!- i only asked you to clarify one of your sentences in which you have stated something re the 500 :scratch:
I would have doubted that you yourself was one of the ones paying this 500 figure --you have als seemed somebody who sounded fair

its not about having an argument !!
can you let us know how you know that most guys in Pattaya are happy with 500 b for short time ??? --
If you are not able to provide an ans no worries :dontknow: -- juat keep moving on lol --(and have a safe trip )

[bucknaway]

No. I shared as much as I cared to. It's 2012 and I am not going to get into a message board argument.

[lexusgs]

Sorry but i just want to ask you this ??? --when you say" not all ,but most" would be as u say "happy" with 500b !!-- what the fuck are you basing that on ??-is this what you pay ??

You are here what a few weeks/days in the year ?? so u have got that opinion from where ?? being with loads and loads of guys ??

and when you were here last OCT (around then ) when i saw you (twice ) I didnt exactly see loads of guys in your company looking for your loving -
Free or not !!!!!
In fact both times i saw you you were in FACT alone !!!

Newallen asks a good question in his post here --given the many writings over the years by Buck

what a crock of shit!!!! re the 500 b
Do you really think these thai boys are happy to take 500 b and do some of the things that farangs ask them to do
i know 2 guys that work in the bars,and that stay in my place ( as friends/to help them out/nothing else!! ) for the past year or so and i can tell you that they are not happy with some of the small money like that that some farang offer them

I have seen some of their ans on GR etc to such requests --/sat eating food with lots of their friends in the same bars and hear how they talk about such farang --its a very hot topic among the bar boys -- they will endure overweight/certain requests, somebody fucking them a longtime /pain etc (many types of tablets to cure a sore asshole ,to enable them to go to work again that day if neccessary )--but" kineaow " (meanness ) is considered one of the worst traits to find in a farang customer !!!--they KNOW any farang that has spent the type of money to get to Thailand has enough to give them that extra 500/1000 etc !!!!!!!!!!!!

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!


And shame on any farang that does -less than the price of a fast food meal in most farang home country !!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I stand by my post. If you have a different opinion than share it. I offered my opinion and i'm not going to argue or fight about it. I will offer my thoughts and move on. If you want an argument than you will have to do it on your own :)[/quote]

I think if you read my above post Buck you might just realise that i have shared my different opinion !!
So you stand by your post and will move on - well bully for you !!- i only asked you to clarify one of your sentences in which you have stated something re the 500 :scratch:
I would have doubted that you yourself was one of the ones paying this 500 figure --you have als seemed somebody who sounded fair

its not about having an argument !!
can you let us know how you know that most guys in Pattaya are happy with 500 b for short time ??? --
If you are not able to provide an ans no worries :dontknow: -- juat keep moving on lol --(and have a safe trip )[/quote]


Wow I seem to have missed a decent argument. Guys I'm with Martin on this one. Having been here a few months you do get to know a few working guys. 500 bht is an insult man to offer to someone who is offering up himself for your enjoyment. I don't know what % of gay visitors actually participate on the forum but I don't think it represents a huge amount in reality. To keep things in perspective I have a very good friend that decided he would work in A Bomb as opposed to Copa. He's a bright outgoing guy with a body to die for. He's just returned from a 13 day off with a german guy who offed him from the bar and the guy was paying him 3000 per day + the usual benefits. This is just to give you some perspective on what happens out there. Don't be a cheap charlie and you will find that your requests are met with a smile and great service. Just my two cents worth :bounce:

[TravellerDave]

How much to tip a boy ? How long is a piece of string ? I prefer to off a boy LT and the cost of finding one that meets my specification sometimes exceeds the off tip. I start my evening rather too early whether alone or with freinds and all the costs mount up. Tips for the bar boys, boy drinks and numerous other minor items. So 1500 for the boy in the morning is not a massive item, particularly when set against the cost of actually getting to Pattaya from UK. A few hundred more is what I add if they accompany me to the beach for a couple of hours with a bit of frollocking in the sea.

[a447]

a477...finally....what took you so long...

What took me so long? Well, unlike you, I actually travel and that's what I'm doing right now. In Vietnam I can't always get access to the internet.
I'm off to Pattaya tomorrow for the 15th or 16th time over 5 years- amazing how far you can travel on the dole, isn't it.

So, when are you going to answer my question? You could easily prove you were recently in Thailand by offering some UP TO DATE info, not something reposted from 2009.
I guess you won't because I first asked you 3 weeks ago and you suddenly left the thread without answering the question.

[Impulse]

How much to tip a boy ? How long is a piece of string ? I prefer to off a boy LT and the cost of finding one that meets my specification sometimes exceeds the off tip. I start my evening rather too early whether alone or with freinds and all the costs mount up. Tips for the bar boys, boy drinks and numerous other minor items. So 1500 for the boy in the morning is not a massive item, particularly when set against the cost of actually getting to Pattaya from UK. A few hundred more is what I add if they accompany me to the beach for a couple of hours with a bit of frollocking in the sea.
That's a very good point.I might spend more on bar hopping and drinks etc.It's fun to check out every host and go go bar to make sure a sleeper has not been overlooked.

[martin911]

No. I shared as much as I cared to. It's 2012 and I am not going to get into a message board argument.

For the second time --its not about having an argument -- why are you so defensive ???

Yes you usually are good at sharing with the board --paragraphs and paragraphs of stuff !! --which is all the more strange that you feel u cannot share more now !!

Ok lets leave it at that so --i hadnt realised you were of such a delicate nature !!

LOL

[martin911]

a477...finally....what took you so long...

What took me so long? Well, unlike you, I actually travel and that's what I'm doing right now. In Vietnam I can't always get access to the internet.
I'm off to Pattaya tomorrow for the 15th or 16th time over 5 years- amazing how far you can travel on the dole, isn't it.

So, when are you going to answer my question? You could easily prove you were recently in Thailand by offering some UP TO DATE info, not something reposted from 2009.
I guess you won't because I first asked you 3 weeks ago and you suddenly left the thread without answering the question.

Looks like you are right about Latin --!!!! --in the past i have read the various things re LP and how it looked like he was a troll of sorts --,frankly it didnt matter to me one way or the other --
all he ever wrote was vile rubbish --i think i remember saying to him last year that i hoped anybody i knew in Thailand would never ever meet up with him !!
It looks like i dont have to worry on that score -- it looks like he is never ever here for that to happen !!!!

Give us a report on Veitnam i if u get the chance !!
Been there myself a bout 3 years ago ,but any new info app
A friend went for a 4 day break with his Thai bf last month and they had a very very good time !!

[a447]

Wish I could give you some good news re gay life in Vietnam Martin, but there is absolutely NOTHING! Mind you, I've been in Hoi An and Hue so I didn't really expect much. Just shops and restaurants and lots of bars. Nobody who even LOOKS as though they might be gay. I was in Saigon in October and guys who offered me girls also offered to take me to gay places when I said I liked guys. So some kind of gay places do exist in Saigon but I was too afraid to get into a taxi and be taken to some place out of town.

Come on Latinpox. Come out of hiding and answer the question!

[bucknaway]

A handsome and sexy Vietnamese friend of mine who lives here in the USA visited Vietnam a year ago and told me about the experience he had there at a gay bath-house. He explained that for a very long time he was not attracted to other Vietnamese guys but on this trip there were many guys that he was attracted to. He met one guy in the bath-house and had fun with him only to find that the guy took his watch. The guy didn't deny that he took the watch and my friend went to the management to complain and they offered him no help of any kind. He also said that he let it drop because they hinted that he could find himself in deep trouble due to the fact that he is now a citizen of the USA.

[martin911]

:sleepy1: :sleepy1:
A handsome and sexy Vietnamese friend of mine who lives here in the USA visited Vietnam a year ago and told me about the experience he had there at a gay bath-house. He explained that for a very long time he was not attracted to other Vietnamese guys but on this trip there were many guys that he was attracted to. He met one guy in the bath-house and had fun with him only to find that the guy took his watch. The guy didn't deny that he took the watch and my friend went to the management to complain and they offered him no help of any kind. He also said that he let it drop because they hinted that he could find himself in deep trouble due to the fact that he is now a citizen of the USA.


:sleepy1: :sleepy1:
selective !!

[martin911]

Wish I could give you some good news re gay life in Vietnam Martin, but there is absolutely NOTHING! Mind you, I've been in Hoi An and Hue so I didn't really expect much. Just shops and restaurants and lots of bars. Nobody who even LOOKS as though they might be gay. I was in Saigon in October and guys who offered me girls also offered to take me to gay places when I said I liked guys. So some kind of gay places do exist in Saigon but I was too afraid to get into a taxi and be taken to some place out of town.

Come on Latinpox. Come out of hiding and answer the question!

The beaches are so beautiful in that part of Vietnam !! stretch for miles and miles
I founf GR the only place to hook up --but that was over 3 years ago

I went to a place in Saigon that i was told had guys by my motorbike taxi!!! - i was led down a dark lane ,up a few flights ,into a room ,2 surly boys ,i said no tks ,they said wait --3/4 more boys arrived ,i felt v uncomfortable

I then said i wanted to go --things got not so good ,i had to pay something stupid (lucky to leave with my watch ) to get away !!
A belgian friend had something similar happen to him --in his case he got chased by a knife wielding guy down the street ---
As i said to him that evening its amazing the( sometimes) danger we put ourselves into just for the sake of to cum !!
He nodded his head , smiled and headed off to the airport next morning ,to go back to Saigon --the next evening i got a text from him , he had hooked up with a Gr guy and himself and his bf were going to a condo somewhere in Saigon ,where there was a group party going on !!

luckily it all ended happily (very ) that time !!
Saigon sounds a lot of fun now !!!

[martin911]

ok mods no more Vietnam --not need split this thread !! (like before )

[Neal]

Thank you! :notworthy:

[lukylok]

Back to tipping. I am never sure what is the right amount when you go "upstairs" or "behind the flowers" in certain bars , with one or more young gentleman to discuss quantum
theory ? :party

[francois]

Back to tipping. I am never sure what is the right amount when you go "upstairs" or "behind the flowers" in certain bars , with one or more young gentleman to discuss quantum
theory ?

Since you are discussing quantum theory the answer is problematic depending on the nature of the interaction of your two bodies. 500 Baht seems reasonable +/- 300 Baht.

Wow, who would have thought that my first post on this board would generate so much....."discussion". :blackeye: Now that things have settled down, I have a couple of follow-up questions:
- What/where is Soi Twilight? I only know of Silom Soi 2 and Silom Soi 4 for gay venues.
- Can anyone recommend or comment on the massage places? I'd like a decent massage but also a good selection of guys (preferably not the effeminate types). I understand that there are gay massage places in the Sukhumvit area as well? Are there other gay venues in that area too?

Thanks!

[Brisboy82]

Wow, who would have thought that my first post on this board would generate so much....."discussion". :blackeye: Now that things have settled down, I have a couple of follow-up questions:
- What/where is Soi Twilight? I only know of Silom Soi 2 and Silom Soi 4 for gay venues.
- Can anyone recommend or comment on the massage places? I'd like a decent massage but also a good selection of guys (preferably not the effeminate types). I understand that there are gay massage places in the Sukhumvit area as well? Are there other gay venues in that area too?

Thanks!

If you walk through patpong to surawong and turn right and keep walking along surawong about 300m you will see twilight on your right. It's full of bright neon you can't miss it.

[Neal]

I think you mean that after turning right on to Suriwong, Soi Twighlight is on the LEFT. Also Soi Twighlight and Soi 4 are the same thing.
Yes?

[Brisboy82]

I think you mean that after turning right on to Suriwong, Soi Twighlight is on the LEFT. Also Soi Twighlight and Soi 4 are the same thing.
Yes?

Yes you are right I meant to say left. As for soi 4 well I am sure the op was referring to Silom soi 4 not surawong soi 4. Twilight could be surawong soi 4 I have no idea.

Walk through patpong then turn right and twilight is on your left next to the family mart.

[martin911]

Back to tipping. I am never sure what is the right amount when you go "upstairs" or "behind the flowers" in certain bars , with one or more young gentleman to discuss quantum
theory ?

Since you are discussing quantum theory the answer is problematic depending on the nature of the interaction of your two bodies. 500 Baht seems reasonable +/- 300 Baht.

Francois
Do you think it is more acceptable to give the boys less if they preform the sexual service on the bars premise rather than back in farang hotel room /condo etc ??

I am of the opinion that a min of 1000 should be paid to any guy that you sexually engage with -- this is NOT a large sum of money for any farang to have to pay !!

...Do you think it is more acceptable to give the boys less if they preform the sexual service on the bars premise rather than back in farang hotel room /condo etc ??

I'm not one for "on the premises" action - but I guess the argument is that it takes up less of the boy's time (no travelling) therefore it ought to be cheaper.

:dontknow: :dontknow:

[cdnmatt]

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!

Then they should go get a proper job.

I wouldn't worry about feeling sorry for them. They're hardly forced to suck off old men all night long. If they wanted, they'd get a proper job like everyone else in the world.

A bit harsh might I say? :dontknow:

[pong]

[quote="T_e_r_r_y"]
1.Wow, who would have thought that my first post on this board would generate so much....."discussion". -
2.Can anyone recommend or comment on the massage places? I'd like a decent massage but also a good selection of guys (preferably not the effeminate types).
3. I understand that there are gay massage places in the Sukhumvit area as well? Are there other gay venues in that area too?
quote]
@1. this is a favorite topic to for many here who have nothing else at thand to sweep their umbrellas or high heels into others who they can try to make feel guilty at being ''poor pensioners''-alwats the same and never a new insight-so also too muth of dull moments.
@2. BKK -big town has at least 50+ of those places-around 10/12 on the Silom area and another dozen or so in the many sidesois of Sukh.
For a kind of advert-but quite good at it: thaimassageboy.com- to see more, you need to subscribe. Also-as has been told here now also a dozen or so times; the THAI site mangosociety.com- yes, I know, it looks very Thai- but go to forum, scroll down and find the google map with all those venues or click on the listing in englsih. For what you mention for most HERO-at the very far end of soi 11, gets rave reviews, but there are more and most have selection of guys on show or in the books. Also Albury, banana club, JEY (my personal rec) will do and for many a farang unknown to Thai things Bodyclub-Suk soi 8 (side soi before 7-11) is well used to wesetrners, they all speekee the eengleesj and its cheap-and grubby, if not dirty. MORE is garanteed there.
@3.-not really except those msg places-there were also gogo and ''clubs;; in the past, but these have all been closed or moved elsewhere. To me Sukh has hardly any appeal- not to stay and not to go, as its really dumbfounded overpriced farangland-but also with a sizeable area of Japan and Korea. And there are a few gay sauna's spread along-see again that Mgo soc.
For a real Thai style young people (disco and the like) assortment of gay venues head to the main uni area= RamKamhaeng (soi 83 or so- lamsalee-some 15/20 kms away from Silom and NO rail) or the bars at Chatuchak-across from the OToKo vegetable market-very late. Take a Thai friend, as otherwise its pretty dull.
Or read-also online, with subscription, the listings on out-in-thailand or the site nicky'sgaybangkok.

[cdnmatt]

A bit harsh might I say? :dontknow:

Nope, not harsh at all, but realistic. I've lived in Issan for a couple years now, and there's lots of opportunity up here for anyone who wants to bust their ass 16 hours a day, and learn what's needed to be successful.

For example, what's with this whole thing about holding Thais to a lower standard than farangs, just because they were born in Thailand? Fuck that idea, and I don't buy the whole, "oh, I from Thai village, I so poor" thing much any more. The ones who give you that story just simply not willing to bust their ass, like we've all had to do. None of us got a free ride in life, and we've all had to bust our ass for years on end, so why do we come to Thailand and think, "oh gee, the poor Thai people, we must help them!", when they (ie. bar boys) show almost no initiative to actually teach themselves new skills, learn what's needed, and make something of themselves?

It's 2012, so get off your ass, learn what's required, and make some money. Everyday, I work with people from India, Philippines, and various other countries. These guys, same as me, started with absolutely nothing but busted their ass, learned what was required, and are now making a good living. There's absolutely no reason a Thai can't do the same, so I'm sorry, but my sympathy left a long time ago. I can understand that life may have shit on you, and you just need some stability and a good environment to grow. That's fine, and it's definitely worth helping someone in that way. However, my experience has been different, and filled with people who have absolutely no desire to take that initiative.

I'm a good guy though, so I do help a fair amount, especially when it comes to Kim's little sister's baby (how can you not help a baby?), but for all intents and purposes, don't give me sob stories that you're poor, as I don't care. If papa doesn't want to work in a city, or the brother-in-law doesn't want to learn how to use a computer, then I'm sorry, but you don't have much right to complain that you don't have any money. I mean, do you think I spend hours learning machine learning algorithms for shits & giggles? Of course not, but I want a good, worry free life, and that's what's required to obtain it.

[martin911]

...Do you think it is more acceptable to give the boys less if they preform the sexual service on the bars premise rather than back in farang hotel room /condo etc ??

I'm not one for "on the premises" action - but I guess the argument is that it takes up less of the boy's time (no travelling) therefore it ought to be cheaper.

:dontknow: :dontknow:

"no travelling so it ought to be cheaper" ??? a few miserly bhat taken away for that !!

I guess thats a proper scotch ans !!

What about the fact that their is no off fee ie ala Happy boys upstairs ??

[martin911]

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!

Then they should go get a proper job.

I wouldn't worry about feeling sorry for them. They're hardly forced to suck off old men all night long. If they wanted, they'd get a proper job like everyone else in the world.

Indeed it strikes as a little harsh -- Are you having any fun up there in the sticks at all ???

I was not making the point that you should pay more than 500 because you feel SORRY for them --i think you should pay more than 500 to be FAIR to the guy preforming the service !!

And as i have said before the extra 500 or so is not going to break the bank of any farang that has travelled to Thailand to avail of the "facilities " on offer
I also think another thing we should also remember is the experience of being with a thai rent boy is so good -- i have travelled pretty well to many other countries and i have never ever come across another race of people that is as nice to BE WITH when the arrangement is paid sex (im only talking about paid sex here !!!,normal gay hookups are just as good in other countries as Thailand )

It just does not compare with rent from other countries (INMO)

[francois]

Francois
Do you think it is more acceptable to give the boys less if they preform the sexual service on the bars premise rather than back in farang hotel room /condo etc ??

I am of the opinion that a min of 1000 should be paid to any guy that you sexually engage with -- this is NOT a large sum of money for any farang to have to pay !!

Generally the sexual encounters on-premises are shorter in duration and intensity then back in the farang hotel room. Thus the tip can be less. Normally I would never say this, but the boys do seem happy with a tip of 500 Baht. But I have paid 1000 TB. Sometimes at Happy Bar there are two or three boys providing service (usually uninvited) and I split 1000 TB among them with my choice getting the majority of the tip. 1000 TB is not a lot but if one tips on a frequent basis it can be expensive. It depends on your generosity and your wallet.
Francois is not a Cheap Charlie.

...Do you think it is more acceptable to give the boys less if they preform the sexual service on the bars premise rather than back in farang hotel room /condo etc ??

I'm not one for "on the premises" action - but I guess the argument is that it takes up less of the boy's time (no travelling) therefore it ought to be cheaper.

:dontknow: :dontknow:

"no travelling so it ought to be cheaper" ??? a few miserly bhat taken away for that !!

I guess thats a proper scotch ans !!


What an idiotic response - the point I am CLEARLY making (and which will be readily recognised by all except a cretin) is that if the deed is done on the premises then the boy does not have to travel maybe 30 minutes to the client's hotel and maybe 30 minutes back to the bar - which means he is away, say, 2 hours instead of just spending 30 minutes "upstairs".

It's not the cost of a f*cking baht bus I'm talking about it's the TIME the boy spendswith the Client.
Less time spent = less of a tip.

Note - I already stated I do not like "on the premises action" - I was merely guessing at what Francois meant - and he has now re-posted and indicated that I was right.


By the way, Scotch is a drink - so if you're going to make stereotypical comments, then at least get your terms correct.

:occasion9:

good job your kim didnt bust his ass off .. other wise you might never have met him in his bar !!!!!
opening mouth think before your ... rearrange as you feel fit



A bit harsh might I say? :dontknow:

Nope, not harsh at all, but realistic. I've lived in Issan for a couple years now, and there's lots of opportunity up here for anyone who wants to bust their ass 16 hours a day, and learn what's needed to be successful.

For example, what's with this whole thing about holding Thais to a lower standard than farangs, just because they were born in Thailand? Fuck that idea, and I don't buy the whole, "oh, I from Thai village, I so poor" thing much any more. The ones who give you that story just simply not willing to bust their ass, like we've all had to do. None of us got a free ride in life, and we've all had to bust our ass for years on end, so why do we come to Thailand and think, "oh gee, the poor Thai people, we must help them!", when they (ie. bar boys) show almost no initiative to actually teach themselves new skills, learn what's needed, and make something of themselves?

It's 2012, so get off your ass, learn what's required, and make some money. Everyday, I work with people from India, Philippines, and various other countries. These guys, same as me, started with absolutely nothing but busted their ass, learned what was required, and are now making a good living. There's absolutely no reason a Thai can't do the same, so I'm sorry, but my sympathy left a long time ago. I can understand that life may have shit on you, and you just need some stability and a good environment to grow. That's fine, and it's definitely worth helping someone in that way. However, my experience has been different, and filled with people who have absolutely no desire to take that initiative.

I'm a good guy though, so I do help a fair amount, especially when it comes to Kim's little sister's baby (how can you not help a baby?), but for all intents and purposes, don't give me sob stories that you're poor, as I don't care. If papa doesn't want to work in a city, or the brother-in-law doesn't want to learn how to use a computer, then I'm sorry, but you don't have much right to complain that you don't have any money. I mean, do you think I spend hours learning machine learning algorithms for shits & giggles? Of course not, but I want a good, worry free life, and that's what's required to obtain it.

CdnMatt, what can I say other than WOW!
They can work any job and make a "good living? I am sorry but did you really say good living? :sign5:
Do you call a good living rooming in a one room place and sharing it with three other boys, a good living? Did you call not knowing where your next cigarette (I don't like smoking but whatever) or meal is coming from a good living? Not having insurance or the money for a doctor when they get into a motorbike accident, get sick and need to see a doctor but can't a good living? Going to bed each day with dirty old men of which they have no idea who is going to pick them each night so they can get a meal and pay rent and send some baht home to the family a good living? Barely able to buy new clothes or sneakers a good living?
And you think that paying them the equivalent of a mere $15.00 is more than satisfactory? The average prostitute in USA makes between $200 - $300 dollars a lay. No, you are playing on their ignorance or what their services are worth. No, I don't think that giving them the standard in other countries is cool and I certainly like the fact that I can afford to go with these young lads and not break the bank but I certainly don't think that handing over a mere 1,000 baht is going to provide for them to make a good living, it's just fair.

aas far as getting less than that for a short time in a short time room in or close to the bar, many boys and girls do not go back to work but even if they did, I am sure it is a very small percent that get offed again on that lucky night that someone took them at all. Maybe 10 years ago when there were tourists clogging every street, but not today. It is their wishful thinking.

[goji]

Case 1: Straight massage, clothed masseur, no hanky panky. 200 baht must be a perfectly adequate tip. After all, many Asians wouldn't even tip him that & I expect to pay the going rate, not behave like some charity.

Case 3: Masseur gets his clothes off, kisses, sucks, does full sex, the lot. No problem paying 1000 baht, or even a little more if service is top notch.

Then what about the intermediate step?
Case 2: Straight massage, clothed masseur, hand job at the end.

I see no way that this should justify the same tip as case 3. Thai masseurs seem to see it like that too, as if they ever propose a price up front for a simple hand job, they offer 500 baht. Maybe they even expect customers to negotiate this down, who knows?

Really Neal, I have heard of the "hooker with a heart of gold" but you are taking it to a whole new level - a "Madam with a heart of gold"

Yes, as I have said 1000B min for ST, 1500B min for LT (Pattaya) + 500B BKK/Phuket is entirely reasonable.

I do not condone anybody paying 300/500B for a "quickie"

Plus, myself being a "punter with a heart of gold", I spring for meals, haircuts, bowling, and suchlike into the bargain.

But I do think your comments about "dirty old men" are seriously misplaced since those are the customers your business relies on!!!
Not to mention the fact that you yourself fall into the same category.
"People in glass houses..." meine kleine schatz.

:sign5:

But I do think your comments about "dirty old men" are seriously misplaced since those are the customers your business relies on!!!
Not to mention the fact that you yourself fall into the same category.
"People in glass houses..." meine kleine schatz.

:sign5:
Scottish, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the tips and wages you suggested and I would say that they are equal to my own with the exception that I add on about 500 baht when they send me over the top.

I used to get into haircuts, bowling and the sort with new boys but now usually only do it with my immediate family of about 40! I no longer do it for newbies.


But I do think your comments about "dirty old men" are seriously misplaced since those are the customers your business relies on!!!

Maybe our definition of dirty old men is different. When I use these endearing words I refer to the punter who only wants to part with 500 maximum! Who thinks of these boys as an item that is to be bought and sold like a piece of meat in Freindship (they would not go into Villa Market because that is too expensive for their tastebuds). These are extremely likely not to be one of my customers and be more a customer of 7 - 11 or Family Mart (!) as they would probably die before they spent 150 baht on a drink! Not to mention that I don't think any of the more respectable boys with pride would be so eager to accept 500 baht. I am sure Pajama Boy who walks the streets of the Boyztown area and the beach looking for food, you know the one with the 12 inch cock that used to do porno years ago, and looking for 20 baht handouts would be more than happy to accept it. You know who I am talking about if you spend any time in Pattaya.

Congrats SG I hadn't noticed prior that you are spelling my name with an "eal" rather than a "eal". Well done!

[martin911]

"no travelling so it ought to be cheaper"


a few miserly bhat taken away for that !!

I guess thats a proper scotch ans !!



What an idiotic response - the point I am CLEARLY making (and which will be readily recognised by all except a cretin) is that if the deed is done on the premises then the boy does not have to travel maybe 30 minutes to the client's hotel and maybe 30 minutes back to the bar - which means he is away, say, 2 hours instead of just spending 30 minutes "upstairs".

It's not the cost of a f*cking baht bus I'm talking about it's the TIME the boy spendswith the Client.
Less time spent = less of a tip.

Note - I already stated I do not like "on the premises action" - I was merely guessing at what Francois meant - and he has now re-posted and indicated that I was right.


By the way, Scotch is a drink - so if you're going to make stereotypical comments, then at least get your terms correct.

:occasion9:

Really --so do u really think the average boy sees it like that ???????? --- so how do u narrow down the time and cost it --- xBhat per minute ???????
These are bar boys u dope NOT IT consultants
So going on your theory when does overtime kick in -- ST over 2 hours etc >>>
And a farang is going to be so thrilled to get a bill for the extra 20 min spent etc
because applying your Ahem logic is that if a boy saves time by not having to travel --so thr farang pays less -then when a farang keeps a boy over a certain time he has to pay more ???

And dont get so crabby re the Scotch thing -- grumpy old fart

I could be wrong but I don't think so.
A short time is considered 3 hours or less and a long time is considered overnight. Please don't ask me what it is considered after 3 hours but not overnight because I do believe it is all up to you anyway.

Jesus Christ!

If I didn't wear a wig I would tear my hair out.


How difficult can it be: On the Premises = Price A
Off the Premises = Price A+

AND, for the 3rd time, this is not my practice - I'm just telling you how the guys who tip less for On The Premises justify it -
taking the boy away from his "place of work" to your hotel means he is away longer therefore larger tip. Doing the biz On The Premises = less time, which (in THEIR view, not mine) commands a lesser tip.

I'm not posting again on this subject - some people are just plain thick!

[martin911]

Jesus Christ!

If I didn't wear a wig I would tear my hair out.


How difficult can it be: On the Premises = Price A
Off the Premises = Price A+

AND, for the 3rd time, this is not my practice - I'm just telling you how the guys who tip less for On The Premises justify it -
taking the boy away from his "place of work" to your hotel means he is away longer therefore larger tip. Doing the biz On The Premises = less time, which (in THEIR view, not mine) commands a lesser tip.

I'm not posting again on this subject - some people are just plain thick!


I agree with you on that !! --some people ARE just plain thick !

Glad to hear your not posting on it anymore -- u seem to have got your knickers into an awful twist ,over not much at all !!
When we both seem to have the same attitude re whats fair to pay the boys --ho hum

[latintopxxx]

-minimum daily Thai wage is BHT160-200 (depends where you live...google it)
-convenience store emplyees are on 6000 to 8000/month
-there's an excess of supply where Thai boys selling themselves are concerned....thank the Gods
-sounds like a classical buyers market
-if I was renting a house under these conditions I would challenge the asking rate no matter what it was

[lonelywombat]

-minimum daily Thai wage is BHT160-200 (depends where you live...google it)
-convenience store emplyees are on 6000 to 8000/month
-there's an excess of supply where Thai boys selling themselves are concerned....thank the Gods
-sounds like a classical buyers market
-if I was renting a house under these conditions I would challenge the asking rate no matter what it was

What a load of crap, you claim to be a businessman yet draw comparison to an employed person to a contractor, to make your case. The boys working for over 60 hours a week with 2 days off per month put in long hours for their work but are paid for their time even if doing nothing.

The bar boys put in a lot of unpaid time waiting but only get reward when taken off. Many years ago it was considered that a boy need 6 offs per month to justify his salary, but now as more and more are freelance, 4 offs per month less kickbacks is just a living. I would be surprised if many are earning 6-8000 bpm most are lucky to get half that and then risk coming across cheapskates like you.

I think maybe you are all missing one important thought. Latintopxxx is an account auditor who is flown almost weekly to another part of the world to do his reconciliation and auditing of big corporate books. I mean he is so good at it he is flown to far parts of the world because the companies' books he needs to audit; well they have no local accountants to help them or are good enough. So they have to put latintopxxx on a jet and bring in the professional! (load of crap) :pukeright:
Add to that the fine hotels and places to dine that he has on his expense account and the wages he must recieve for all this travel and expense is, I mean, huge; I mean it has to be if he is so in demand, right?
Now I know he has said that he does not want to squander his money away but really Latin, can't you scrape together just a little bit more money to use and abuse a boy with or without your friend for 3 hours at a time than a mere $15 US? :sign5:

[a447]

minimum daily Thai wage is BHT160-200 (depends where you live...google it)

Thank God for Google, eh Latinpox?

I have often accused you of just using Google to get info on Thailand and then posting that info to give members of this forum the impression that you got the info from actually coming over here.


convenience store emplyees are on 6000 to 8000/month

I found this on Google:

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р╕Др╣Йр╕Щр╕лр╕▓р╕Др╕� �р╣Ар╕лр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕� ��р╣Йр╣Бр╕Чр╕Щ convenience store emplyees are on 6000 to 8000/month

And your post even includes the SPELLING MISTAKE, you dope! You should have cut and paste the FIRST line. :sign5:

Oops!

You should save up your pension and fly over here and ask someone who works in a convenience store. They will give you a different answer.

BTW while we are at it, how come you never told us why you used evidence 4 years old to "prove" that you were in Thailand a month or so ago???

Waiting..............

I also dropped by krazy Dragon last night - you know, the place you claimed had boys too young for you.
Wow, must be the climate here. The guys have really aged since you "saw" them!! :sign5:

[cdnmatt]

Here's a good example of what I meant. Why do people feel sorry for a 7-11 clerk in Thailand, as if he's some hard done by, poor forgotten soul? Why? Because he's cute, and more than likely, can be bought? I know a 7-11 clerk actually, makes 7000/month, and obviously that's quite low for us, but hey, he works at 7-11.

A 7-11 clerk in Thailand has probably the exact same standard of living as a 7-11 clerk in the West. Renting some shitty 1 bdrm apartment that you share with 2 other people, because that's all you can afford. Do you feel sorry about all the 7-11 clerks in your home country? Of course not. So again, why do so many farangs hold Thais to lower standards than other farangs? I personally totally disagree with doing that.

For one of 10 million examples, you want more money? Quit watching porn all the time, and instead use that time to learn another language (for free online), and become a translator. Voila! Unless you were born into money, all of us had to bust our ass with 16 hour days to make it, so why hold Thais to a different standard? That makes no sense, and definitely isn't helping them any.

It's 2012, all the information you could ever possibly want is available at your fingertips, and the communication technology is there allowing you to learn & work anywhere & everywhere. For example, I'm just finishing a machine learning course from Stanford (free), and I work with people from every time zone every day. All the while, I'm sitting up here in KK, and don't even have a high school diploma. No reason others can't do the same.

[martin911]

Here's a good example of what I meant. Why do people feel sorry for a 7-11 clerk in Thailand, as if he's some hard done by, poor forgotten soul? Why? Because he's cute, and more than likely, can be bought? I know a 7-11 clerk actually, makes 7000/month, and obviously that's quite low for us, but hey, he works at 7-11.

A 7-11 clerk in Thailand has probably the exact same standard of living as a 7-11 clerk in the West. Renting some shitty 1 bdrm apartment that you share with 2 other people, because that's all you can afford. Do you feel sorry about all the 7-11 clerks in your home country? Of course not. So again, why do so many farangs hold Thais to lower standards than other farangs? I personally totally disagree with doing that.

For one of 10 million examples, you want more money? Quit watching porn all the time, and instead use that time to learn another language (for free online), and become a translator. Voila! Unless you were born into money, all of us had to bust our ass with 16 hour days to make it, so why hold Thais to a different standard? That makes no sense, and definitely isn't helping them any.

It's 2012, all the information you could ever possibly want is available at your fingertips, and the communication technology is there allowing you to learn & work anywhere & everywhere. For example, I'm just finishing a machine learning course from Stanford (free), and I work with people from every time zone every day. All the while, I'm sitting up here in KK, and don't even have a high school diploma. No reason others can't do the same.

Are you getting depressed up there ??--- You are cert starting to sound like you are starting to foam at the mouth a bit ??

Yes all the information one could possibly ever want is online ---but it costs just a little money/facilities to access it -- some thing you prob didnt have to worry about growing up ( even without your high school diploma (bravo to you u smug git ) - and did u ever stop to think mabye just mabye the avg thai ,country or city person just does not have the facilities to do a machine learning course from Stanford (free or not )

Or are you going to start telling us next about your impoverished childhood, but how you pulled your way through with your sunny outlife and determination to succeed(oh and lets not forget your 16 hour days bla bla bla )and if you can do it then any Issan person should be able to do it too !!!!

Why do you seem to have such a harsh opinion on the Thais?? and why one should not feel sorry for any of them ( very patronising by the way !!) most of the rest of us on this board can prob decide for ourselves

I used to enjoy your posts --but are you really sure living here full time suits you ????

[martin911]

I think maybe you are all missing one important thought. Latintopxxx is an account auditor who is flown almost weekly to another part of the world to do his reconciliation and auditing of big corporate books. I mean he is so good at it he is flown to far parts of the world because the companies' books he needs to audit; well they have no local accountants to help them or are good enough. So they have to put latintopxxx on a jet and bring in the professional! (load of crap) :pukeright:
Add to that the fine hotels and places to dine that he has on his expense account and the wages he must recieve for all this travel and expense is, I mean, huge; I mean it has to be if he is so in demand, right?
Now I know he has said that he does not want to squander his money away but really Latin, can't you scrape together just a little bit more money to use and abuse a boy with or without your friend for 3 hours at a time than a mere $15 US? :sign5:

This was exactly my point to him a few days ago ---and NO response !!!!
Similar to what A447 has said prev --when challenged he is not to be heard of -- TROLL

Just a thought -- this guy seems to be pretty fake (not to mention one of the vilest posters on any forum i have ever read ) it is not in any entertaining to read anything of what he writes ) possibly a few more posters think similar to me ??
Now when the likes of LMTU has been barred ,more than once --but his posts might have been shall we say overenthusiastic ,but were generally correct --- it begs the question why are you allowing Latin to continue to post his vomit ?????

As i said its just a thought --

anybody else have an opinion --i think we were all asked a while ago on LMTU -- so why not Latin ??

bloody hell martin ... good job you mentioned latinpox name at the end there ... other wise i thought you was talking about neal ... it was his quote you used .. oops ...
mind you i agree with you that latin is a bit of a pain and pretty boring ... same same ... as for cdmatt .. i think he needs a change as he seems to have forgotten why he moved to thailand in the first place .. must be hard living in amoungst all those thicko .. how hard can it be to get a computer degree in the middle of the jungle ... wheres tarzan when needed !

[martin911]

bloody hell martin ... good job you mentioned latinpox name at the end there ... other wise i thought you was talking about neal ... it was his quote you used .. oops ...
mind you i agree with you that latin is a bit of a pain and pretty boring ... same same ... as for cdmatt .. i think he needs a change as he seems to have forgotten why he moved to thailand in the first place .. must be hard living in amoungst all those thicko .. how hard can it be to get a computer degree in the middle of the jungle ... wheres tarzan when needed !

HA ha --- i just read my post again ---indeed it looked like i was talking about ou
r lord and master --- oops indeed

Luckily Neal has a sense of humour (yes some Americans do ) -- or i could have been banned from yet another forum !!

going slighty ... ok miles off topic .. all americans have a sense of humour i think ... why else is obama president ?

[latintopxxx]

a447...bar that in my opinion had way too young boys was OPPOSITE krayzy dragon....try not to drink before noon...not even sure what you mean by I should have copied the 1st line...I did write I googled it...again please keep off the booze...

As for being banned...whatever.....booo hooo

Never claimed to be a financial auditor....am a quality auditor..ISO13485/ISO9001..EN norms etc...google it....and by the way all multi-nationals employ financial auditors too...how else will they keep tabs on the thieving locals...

Again I remind you....just because you pay more doesn't make HIM less of a whore or YOU less of a john....
I have no problem buying sex way under the 100 mark....if you all are too timid to negotiate or don't feel comfortable with the process thats your loss....I know what I'm buying...sex only...everything else...the smiles.... is a lie..a charde..only fools will believe differently.....once your money runs out watch how fast the boys will exit...like bats out of hell...

[latintopxxx]

...whoops...typo....should be ..way under the 1000 mark...

.....I have no problem buying sex way under the 100 mark....



...whoops...typo....should be ..way under the 1000 mark...


I bet it wasn't so much of a typo as more of a Freudian slip.

:occasion9:

[martin911]

a447...bar that in my opinion had way too young boys was OPPOSITE krayzy dragon....try not to drink before noon...not even sure what you mean by I should have copied the 1st line...I did write I googled it...again please keep off the booze...

As for being banned...whatever.....booo hooo

Never claimed to be a financial auditor....am a quality auditor..ISO13485/ISO9001..EN norms etc...google it....and by the way all multi-nationals employ financial auditors too...how else will they keep tabs on the thieving locals...

Again I remind you....just because you pay more doesn't make HIM less of a whore or YOU less of a john....
I have no problem buying sex way under the 100 mark....if you all are too timid to negotiate or don't feel comfortable with the process thats your loss....I know what I'm buying...sex only...everything else...the smiles.... is a lie..a charde..only fools will believe differently.....once your money runs out watch how fast the boys will exit...like bats out of hell...

Again showing your out of date knowledge --- did u not say u were in Pattaya lately ???
the bar you talk about-- ( i know not to name it under the rules ) opp KD no longer has that type of boy as it cert did in the past !!
i dropped in two weeks ago -and it was NOT like past ---- all fully dressed poochai boys , but not the "had way too young boys " as u describe --
A447 is correct i think in what he says -- -- Lpox going on what he once saw

fuck it who cares --im only writing this much tonite in an effort to stay in for a change -but it hasnt worked -- :alc:
I will join Colmx and the 6 (the last text update ) boys at his table --and yes i think 1 of them will get poss get a gift in the morning from C (or T ) - but -the others will just be having a bit of fun --(look up unpaid in the dict Lpox ) :occasion9:

[latintopxxx]

gogo bar....if u can call it that...opposite krazy dragon is the one where the boys range from fully to semi dressed and play with themselves...will shoot for 200...you can call them over...get them to just about get naked and lie on the couch next to you...paw them to your hearts delight...whilst they watch str8 porn on their mobiles...once they shoot its all over....fantastic formula...steady stream of customers...I simplt felt terribly uncomfortable as some of the boys looked far too young...innocent they weren't...
And my darling...yes I was in pats just b4 Xmas...stayed at the ibis...its behind the holiday inn....u kinda have to walk through the holidat inn's driveway to access the beach front...but guess I googled that too....hey...
And yes...managed to off 4 boys in 3 days...all way..way under 1000.....hotel had no problem with me having "guests"..didn;'t even check ID...but maybe thats because I did them in the afternoon and not late at night...

[newalaan]

Although this is off the topic of tipping, there have been many references and much discussion about Latinpoxxx already interwoven here so i think it ok/fair to continue. Sorry but it's a bit of a long one, all you need to do is 'pass' if it bores you, which it may well do. It'll need a bit of stamina for those who can be bothered.
Just a thought - this guy seems to be pretty fake (not to mention one of the vilest posters on any forum i have ever read ) possibly a few more posters think similar to me ?? Now the likes of LMTU has been barred- it begs the question why are you allowing Latin to continue to post his vomit ????? As i said its just a thought - anybody else have an opinion --i think we were all asked a while ago on LMTU-so why not Latin ?? Yes martin911 i have an opinion. Firstly i would say your own opinions and posts are normally well balanced and contain great info but in this instance i would say you are off target with Latinpoxx by claiming he is a fake, i would say you've been letting a447's continuious table-thumping persuade you he is that. Also your suggestion about not allowing Latinpoxx to continue to post is off target for two important reasons.

First, is while I understand why you don't like Latinpoxxx, I think it wrong and the last thing we should need to do is ban anyone just because you dont like what they say or the fact they have extreme views. A forum should be open to anyone and if you really dont like everything Latinpoxx posts, just pass them by (as anyone can do) Exceptions to this are posters who persistantly cause legal problems for the forum, moderators or owner who is right to do whatever it takes to protect their interests.

The second reason is that yourself, especially a447 and even justme are in my opinion way way off the mark in relation to Latinpoxx. There is no doubt he is genuine in both that he travels extensively and definitely visits Thailand regularly. It's all in the detail! You and others here are letting your personal dislike of Latinpoxxx's language and style cloud your judgement. I don't consider him a troll or a fake because most of the time he speaks what is basically the truth as he sees it and with the correct facts to back things up, but I too hate his style. I despise his stinking attitude to working boys as he does not respect them as human-beings, doing (what is in many cases) a horrible job. One of the worst things I could accuse a fellow human would be that he lacks 'empathy' Latinpoxx has no understanding of the word.


Looks like you (a447) are right about Latin ---!!!--- in the past i have read various things re LP and how it looked like he was a troll of sorts --- all he ever wrote was vile rubbish---it looks like he is never ever here for that to happen !!!To me he is a 'button-pusher' not a troll, and he is very good at it. He deliberatly uses 'trigger' words and phrases just to get a reaction. He sees his posts as an extention to the humiliation he hands out to the boys unfortunate enough to be picked by him. It's all button-pushing, comparing boys to animals 'ride him like a pony' calling boys 'whores' , terms like 'making use of my purchase' as if boys are just a traded piece of meat. BUT I do not believe he ever 'stiffs' the boys on payment even if it is mostly pathetically miserly. But take out all the attitude, language and figurative speach and what you will find is a fairly honest, blunt (but utterly disgraceful) account of his experiences. Remember! all the boys he approaches need only say no. And I wish more did.


I think maybe you are all missing one important thought. Latintopxxx is an account auditor who is flown to another part of the world..his auditing of big corporate books. well they have no local accountants to help them or are good enough. So they have to bring in the professional! (load of crap) Add to that the fine hotels and places to dine that he has on his expense account and the wages is huge; but really Latin, can't you scrape together just a little bit more money to use and abuse a boy for 3 hours at a time than a mere $15 US? Justme, how do you know it is a "load of crap"? you do not know exactly what his job description is! your post is chock full of assumptions on your part, and you in my opinion are the one missing the important thoughts and the obvious, which is that while he can afford to pay more he chooses not to. He has admitted on virtually every post for the last umpteen years, that he enjoys bartering the Thai working boys down as far as he can as part of his humiliation fetish. Some of you enjoy sex in front of other customers in bars, some enjoy dirty sex, some enjoy tawan muscle guys, and Latinpoxxx enjoys humiliation of others.

And again, i enjoy a447's excellent posts and great reviews on this forum, but he in my opinion is obsessed with Latinpoxx to the extent he is starting to believe some of his own absurd and frankly bizzarre attempts to show that Latinpoxx is a fraud.
latintopxxx wrote:minimum daily Thai wage is BHT160-200 (depends where you live...google it)Thank God for Google, eh Latinpox?I have often accused you of using Google to get info then posting that info to give members the impression that you got the info from actually coming over here..your post even includes the SPELLING MISTAKE, you dope! You should fly over here and ask someone who works in a convenience store. They will give you a different answer.A447 he told you he googled it! and that is exactly what anybody else would do to find out information and facts! What does a spelling mistake have to do with him being genuine or not? Why would he need to come to Thailand just to ask a question face to face which can be answered on the internet? what does that prove? And what different answer would they give? it's common knowledge some 7-11 workers get 6-8000 baht! your 'reasoning' is absurd.

BTW while we are at it, how come you never told us why you used evidence 4 years old to "prove" that you were in Thailand a month or so ago???Waiting..............I also dropped by krazy Dragon last night - you know, the place you claimed had boys too young for you.The guys have really aged since you "saw" them!!
Pure bullshit. You haven't been in Thailand since at least 2009.....Someone who may have travelled to LOS once.........his fantasy visits to Thailand......his description of the guys at Krazy Dragon was way off the mark. Obvioulsy hasn't been near the place Using his posted experiences of Krazy Dragon to prove that he has not been in TL since 2009 is ridiculous a447, and in other instances you have'nt even come close to proving any of the points you are trying to make about his authenticity. If he really wanted to convince/dupe you, all he needs to do is regurgitate info gleaned from posts on the forum and saying all the boys in KD are bigger man-boy types. But his experiences of KD are similar to mine on more than one occassion. Recently (over the last 2 trips) i have visited KD at around 10-11pm, and for some time now KD has not had a full bar of customers or boys. At those times where they have had a small staff, the man-boys may have already been offed or not come to work, leaving the more gay/boyish types, this has been my experience the last 3 visits. Its not alwyas full of man-boys they always have had a mixed staff of all types. So using this as evidence to back up your arguement is nonsense.

Also, something you probably won't want to consider a447, is in terms of visting bars latinpoxxx conducts himself no differently from many/most other farang customers. I don't have any problem with sleazy bars or what customers do there provided i dont have to witness it, but I find playing with boys in bars in public and boys jacking off on tables in bars no less of a humiliation for the boys than some of the things latinpoxxx admits to, but at least its in the privacy of his room. On that subject there is little to choose between you and latin. You both express delight at the fun to be had at 'Good Boys', a bar which in my opinion should be wiped from the face of the earth. I actually agree with Latinpoxx in that on my one visit I found it to have far too many boys to be of "dubious age".

I remember he once described the details of taking a boy off from a bar in Twilight, Bkk, it was textbook, apart from the exaggerated language he used. He got a drink, called over a boy....'no smalltalk with the whore' as he gets down to the nitty-gritty of what the boy will 'do' for 'how long' and 'how much'..this is done businesss like. They agree, he pays the off and tab and goes...exactly as any customer would. The only difference is in the 'language' stuff like 'marched the fuck outta there' in otherwords he left in the company of the boy, also stuff like 'throwing 1/4 of the agreed money at the boys feet' if the boys comes up 'short' of the contract. He probably does give the boy the option to leave with less money just as many other farangs would in exactly the same situation if the boy reneged on time or actions. But no way would he physically 'throw money at feet' and if he ever did he would be risking a real confrontation as throwing money with the Kings face on it in any way, form or shape would be a major, massive insult, adding 'at feet' to it would be very highly insulting to any Thai. I wouldn't think even latinpoxx is stupid enough to push this line.

One day he might push the boundaries just too far with the wrong guy, and he may live to regret his shitty attitude but that doesn't (unfortunately) mean he is a fake.

[cdnmatt]

Are you getting depressed up there ??--- You are cert starting to sound like you are starting to foam at the mouth a bit ??

Nah, that's probably just the stress from work talking. Life is actually great right now though.


and did u ever stop to think mabye just mabye the avg thai ,country or city person just does not have the facilities to do a machine learning course from Stanford (free or not )

Bullshit. Yes they do. Takes maybe 80 baht/week of internet access, some paper, a pen, and the desire to learn. That's it. The one disadvantage they have is they don't know English, but that's hardly an impossible barrier to overcome.


and if you can do it then any Issan person should be able to do it too !!!!

Pretty much, yep. 8 months ago Kim and myself would go days without eating, because we couldn't even afford a 6 baht pack of noodles. We simply didn't have any money. Now I'm sitting here debating which investments to pursue, because I have so much of the shit coming in, I don't even know what to do with it. And I'm hardly anyone special, so if I can do it, anyone can. What can I say? I guess I have high standards.


Why do you seem to have such a harsh opinion on the Thais??

I don't have a harsh opinion of Thais at all, and view them exactly as I'd view anyone from Canada, or any other country. What I don't understand is why you guys would give a free sympathy vote to someone who decided to work at a bar, and spent their free time playing cards, drinking whiskey, and watching porn. Would you do the same for the same individual in your home country? Of course not, so why would you do it just because they're Thai?

I know quite a few hard working and financially well off Thais, and I also know quite a few lazy cunts who would prefer to take the easy route, and work at 7/11, or morlam concerts, or whatever. And that's totally fine, and up to them. It's their life. However, why would you ever feel sorry and have sympathy for them? Because they're cute, and many times will suck you off for 1000 baht?


but are you really sure living here full time suits you ????

Most definitely! And honestly, I think my "harsh opinion of Thais" is one of the main reasons I'm so happy and comfortable right now. I don't view them as some impoverished people who need my help, and they don't view me as some rich farang from a weird country. We all just view each other as typical assholes, which is great, and how it should be! :)

[cdnmatt]

EDIT: double post, sorry

[Brisboy82]

Are you getting depressed up there ??--- You are cert starting to sound like you are starting to foam at the mouth a bit ??

Nah, that's probably just the stress from work talking. Life is actually great right now though.


and did u ever stop to think mabye just mabye the avg thai ,country or city person just does not have the facilities to do a machine learning course from Stanford (free or not )

Bullshit. Yes they do. Takes maybe 80 baht/week of internet access, some paper, a pen, and the desire to learn. That's it. The one disadvantage they have is they don't know English, but that's hardly an impossible barrier to overcome.


and if you can do it then any Issan person should be able to do it too !!!!

Pretty much, yep. 8 months ago Kim and myself would go days without eating, because we couldn't even afford a 6 baht pack of noodles. We simply didn't have any money. Now I'm sitting here debating which investments to pursue, because I have so much of the shit coming in, I don't even know what to do with it. And I'm hardly anyone special, so if I can do it, anyone can. What can I say? I guess I have high standards.


Why do you seem to have such a harsh opinion on the Thais??

I don't have a harsh opinion of Thais at all, and view them exactly as I'd view anyone from Canada, or any other country. What I don't understand is why you guys would give a free sympathy vote to someone who decided to work at a bar, and spent their free time playing cards, drinking whiskey, and watching porn. Would you do the same for the same individual in your home country? Of course not, so why would you do it just because they're Thai?

I know quite a few hard working and financially well off Thais, and I also know quite a few lazy cunts who would prefer to take the easy route, and work at 7/11, or morlam concerts, or whatever. And that's totally fine, and up to them. It's their life. However, why would you ever feel sorry and have sympathy for them? Because they're cute, and many times will suck you off for 1000 baht?


but are you really sure living here full time suits you ????

Most definitely! And honestly, I think my "harsh opinion of Thais" is one of the main reasons I'm so happy and comfortable right now. I don't view them as some impoverished people who need my help, and they don't view me as some rich farang from a weird country. We all just view each other as typical assholes, which is great, and how it should be! :)

The difference is that in a place like Canada people have the advantage of having had proper schooling in the first place. A lot of Thais are unable to attend high school as they need to work to support their family at a very young age. In order to take advantage of vocational education that you mention they would need to at least have attended some high school. In the current generation in the west if you don't have at least 9 or 10 years of schooling you only have yourself to blame. Not the same in Thailand.

[martin911]

Newallen -- -Yes i think i agree with most of your post re LatinP !!! He prob is not a fake at all ,but somebody that is !!?? -
Can somebody put a word to it??? -- for the life of me I dont how to properly label him !! --

In the past i was never really was too interested in what some other posters said about him regarding whether he was fake or not -

I have als read his postings ,but shuddered that such a person would have such a perspective re paid sex as he does !! --but left it at that !! -didnt really want to have any interaction with the guy (who would,except somebody that was getting paid to do it )

The last few days (esp last nite as i said i was trying to stay indoors, as i tend to come home at 7/8/9 am any nite i go out,and have been burning both ends of the candle the last month or so )---So i would have been writing more than usual on the Sawatadee + other internet forums etc trying to tire myself out lol -So that was the direction i was coming from re the writing on LatinP ---

I too was just trying to get a rise of sorts from him ,its fun to see some of his ravings !!!

And i did make the point to Justme to retract my suggestion to ban him (in another post i think )
If he is not breaking any of the guidelines re posting then he is free to post whatever he wants --

I wonder has he ever has sex where he didnt have to pay for it ?? - one thing i found so strange last nite that he was so disbelieving that you dont als have to put your hand into your pocket every time you come into contact with a Thai Bar boy !!

And for me it worked -the time i spent online chattering away kept me home for a nite lol :happy7:

[a447]

Neal, please allow me to post this very long reply. I promise I will keep me answers shorter from now on.

Hi Newallen.

I didn't find your post boring at all. Just baffling.
First of all, I don't think Latinpox should be banned for his ├лxtreme views."I couldn't care less what views people express. I think he should be banned for being a fake. Simple as that.


There is no doubt he is genuine in both that he travels extensively and definitely visits Thailand regularly.

You seem to suggest that my evidence as to latin being a fake is unsubstantiated or just ├дbsurd." So tell me, what evidence do you have to make the above statement? If you believe:


It's all in the detail!

then what detail from latin's personal experience are you referring to? He has no personal experience. He gathers his info about Thailand

a) from googling it or now, it seems, using Google Earth! (e.g.
stayed at the ibis...its behind the holiday inn....u kinda have to walk through...)
b) by gleaning info from other people's posts then re-posting it as his own. (e.g.
gogo bar....if u can call it that...opposite krazy dragon is the one where the boys range from fully to semi dressed and play with themselves...will shoot for 200...you can call them over...get them to just about get naked and lie on the couch next to you...paw them to your hearts delight...whilst they watch str8 porn on their mobiles...once they shoot its all over....fantastic formula...steady stream of customers...I simplt felt terribly uncomfortable as some of the boys looked far too young...innocent they weren't...)


what you will find is a fairly honest, blunt (but utterly disgraceful) account of his experiences.

What original evidence from latin can you cite for this statement?


Remember! all the boys he approaches need only say no. And I wish more did.

SO you believe him when he says he approaches construction workers, fucks and humiliates them and throws them out onto the street for a mere pittance?? You believe these construction workers would agree to that?? That they wouldn't react? That the workers wouldn't be waiting for him next day outside his hotel? You believe you can just drag someone from the street and anally penetrate them?? That you can do the same with hotel staff leaving work late at night??? If that were all true and these guys DIDN'T say no, please explain why latin would need to frequent bars to pick up guys. It's a lot more expensive - drink, drink for the boy, off fees, etc. All willingly paid for by a guy who boasts about his ability to get sex for next to nothing? Who laughs at people who spend more than the need to?? Who tells us about a massage place in the same soi as Tawan? Are you suggesting he is telling the truth (given his meaness with money) when he wants us to believe he can visit a massage place and, presumably, pay the going rate? Don't you think if he threw a few hundred baht at a boy in a massage place, that they would lock the doors and not let him out until he had paid the correct amount (450 massage, 1000 tip)?? And again, why would he need to pay so much when he can pick up guys cheaply off the streets?? I could go on, but I'll stop here.
Lots of questions, but never any answers, especially from latin himself. Doesn't his lack of replies ring alarm bells, newallan?


Justme, how do you know it is a "load of crap"? you do not know exactly what his job description is! your post is chock full of assumptions on your part, and you in my opinion are the one missing the important thoughts and the obvious, which is that while he can afford to pay more he chooses not to.

Newallan, how do YOU know it isn't a load of crap? What info do you have that we don't? Please share it with us.


you do not know exactly what his job description is!

Do you? What info do you have that we don't? Please share it with us. His story about being an international travelling auditor, living a life of luxury at his employer's expense and being well-paid to boot sound far too much like wishful thinking to be true. He tells us that he only spends a few days to complete each audit, which suggests the companies must be pretty small - certainly not large "multinational companies"he tells us about, whose audits would require a lot more time. And yet these small companies can not find a local to do their work - they have to fly in, at great expense- someone form barcelona!! Give me a break!


all multi-nationals employ financial auditors too...how else will they keep tabs on the thieving locals...

So they employ someone from barcelona? No other country nearby where they could find someone?? As for keeping tabs on thieving locals, you do not need to fly someone in. Just ask a local bar owner here in pattaya. He may have some comments on this. Certainly doesn't fly in an international auditor! Any anyhow, if you are a "quality auditor"not a "financial auditor", your story doesn't add up. What business is it of a QUALITY auditor if locals are thieving?? Isn't that the work of a financial auditor? You can't even get your won job description right! :sign5:


A447 he told you he googled it! and that is exactly what anybody else would do to find out information and facts!

And that's exactly the accusation I have been making against him. That he just googles his info on Thailand. I think you have missed the point.


What does a spelling mistake have to do with him being genuine or not?

Nothing. never said it did.


Why would he need to come to Thailand just to ask a question face to face which can be answered on the internet? what does that prove?

Well, if you read your own post, it kind of proves what I've been saying. if indeed it is "common knowlege", why would he have to google it?? It was obviously knowlege that was NOT common to latinpox!

I got my info re: 7/11 wages from a number of boys I've spoken to here over the years. I still don't know the correct answer. Seems 5000 baht I was told is wrong. Or maybe wages depend on where abouts in LOS the store is. No idea.


Using his posted experiences of Krazy Dragon to prove that he has not been in TL since 2009

I didn't.

Latinpox:


krazy dragon is masculine???? a447 is right...i must have wondered into the wrong bar

Latinpox again:


a447...bar that in my opinion had way too young boys was OPPOSITE krayzy dragon.

So I'm confused. Which bar is he talking about??? Doesn't ring alarm bells, Newallan??? He doesn't even know which bar he was in. So come on latin, explain the obvious conflict in your posts.

Newallan, there's also an abvious conflict of standards in your post. On the one hand:


I don't have any problem with sleazy bars or what customers do there provided i dont have to witness i

but in the very same sentence, you say:


but I find playing with boys in bars in public and boys jacking off on tables in bars no less of a humiliation for the boys....

So, is "humiliation"only a part of the situation if you witness it?? Out of sight, out of mind?? It's all ok??


On that subject there is little to choose between you and latin

Or YOU, so it would seem.

And yet:


'Good Boys', a bar which in my opinion should be wiped from the face of the earth.

Why? because it is humiliating for the boys? And yet you want to allow Latinpox posts about humiliating the boys?

Finally,


But no way would he physically 'throw money at feet' and if he ever did he would be risking a real confrontation

Do you have evidence that we don't that he wouldn't do such a thing? How do you know? And if he is risking a real confrontation (I agree with you here), how come you don't believe he hasn't had confrontations with the boys he's humiliated?? And how come you believe he could treat a street boy from an Eastern European country is such a filthy way and not get his head bashed in??? (Ever seen the rent boys in the main station in prague, or the Eastern European rent boys working in Amsterdam, Newallan? AYOR)

Oh, sorry. One more thing.


to prove that he has not been in TL since 2009

Why don't you smell a rat when Latin uses such old info as evidence of a recent visit? Wouldn't you expect some more recent evidence, rather than talking about Wit, the waiter?? Why don't you question that, Newallan? And while I'm at it, why don't you ask why he refused to answer simple questions back then which would have proved conclusively that he was in Bangkok as he said he was. I'll tell you why he didn't answer. It was local info HE COULD NOT GOOGLE.

Newallan, I KNOW from your previous posts that you in no way condone humiliating treatment of the boys. I think your paragraph about Goodboys may have just been poorly worded. :)

[latintopxxx]

a447....you'r a very confused girl...terribly ting tong...do you hear voices...you probably have multiple conversations with yourself...switch the lights on and look around..you are alone in the room...
Is english even your 1st...possibly 2nd language??

[latintopxxx]

newlwlaan + cdnmatt....both your analysis is spot on...scarily so...

[latintopxxx]

martin(I wanna be a porche when I grow up...)....
I get terribly annoyed when I get lumped into the GLT basket...I have nada in common with lesbians and even less with trannies....I have a dick...I like my dick...and I wanna keep it..
Point I'm trying to make, clearly you are into vanilla sex...you probably do it with the lights off and with the sheets pulled up over your head...thats ok...I understand!!!!
But please don't shoot me because of my perfectly legal sexual tastes.......I have a very thick skin...relish confrontation and have no hesitation in questioning the status quo....as a full time auditor it is my business to ask difficult questions and make difficult decisions....

[a447]

Rather than post such meaningless drivel in reply to my post, why don't you spend your time explaining the obvious holes I have pointed out in your stories??

Afterall, you wrote:


as a full time auditor it is my business to ask difficult questions and make difficult decisions....

O.k. Then ask yourself the difficult question as to why you never reply to posts pointing out discrepencies in your stories, and then make the difficult decision to explain them.

Start with your confusion about where you saw the young boys. In one post it was in Krazy Dragon, in a follow-up post it was in Goodboys. Make up your mind.

And explain this one:

Martin911 wrote:

did u not say u were in Pattaya lately ???
the bar you talk about-- ( i know not to name it under the rules ) opp KD no longer has that type of boy as it cert did in the past !!
i dropped in two weeks ago -and it was NOT like past ---- all fully dressed poochai boys , but not the "had way too young boys " as u describe --

(BTW how true. Martin. I was there last night and didn't see one guy who looked remotely underage.)

And this. Previously I posted:


I then wandered off to Goodboys in Sunnee. There were lots of boys sitting on stage wanking, although some were fully clothed and just sitting there. Most were watching hetereo porn on their mobiles. I tall guy asked me if I wanted a guy to sit with me - he would jack off for 300 baht. O.k. Why not. The boy jacked furiously and came in about 2 minutes - quite a decent handful of cum, too. I payed him the 300 baht and he was over the moon, laughing and high-fiving the tall guy. I later learned that the going rate for a jack off was 200 baht.

Latinpox just posted:


gogo bar....if u can call it that...opposite krazy dragon is the one where the boys range from fully to semi dressed and play with themselves...will shoot for 200...you can call them over...get them to just about get naked and lie on the couch next to you...paw them to your hearts delight...whilst t...

latinpox, I feel honored that you also glean info from my humble posts and then post it as proof of your own experience in the bar. By reading my post you were able to give minute detail, even down to the exact cost of 200 baht in an attempt to fool readers into thinking you had been there.
And yet when previously asked what was happening on the corner of Silom Rd and Rama 4 - the exact area you were claiming to spend a lot of time picking up boys - you refused to answer. It wasn't a difficult question. They had ripped up all the paving stones and were laying new ones, but you didn't know that as it was "├╝ngooglable." You had to have been thereto know that and you weren't. I mean, you should have known as you would have had to walk on the road!

[martin911]

martin(I wanna be a porche when I grow up...)....
I get terribly annoyed when I get lumped into the GLT basket...I have nada in common with lesbians and even less with trannies....I have a dick...I like my dick...and I wanna keep it..
Point I'm trying to make, clearly you are into vanilla sex...you probably do it with the lights off and with the sheets pulled up over your head...thats ok...I understand!!!!
But please don't shoot me because of my perfectly legal sexual tastes.......I have a very thick skin...relish confrontation and have no hesitation in questioning the status quo....as a full time auditor it is my business to ask difficult questions and make difficult decisions....

Ha ha this is getting interesting --MODS PLease do not split this thread ?? -im sure other posters would ask similar ?? getting better and better --ok a bit of slagging going on but nothing too serious i think --
Both New and A447 making some good points !

And as for you Pox -- --you are the one with the obs complex issues --all the time trying to justify things -
As for -- "clearly you are into vanilla sex |" where did u get that impression from ??-- you are so far off the mark with that my boy :occasion9: --read some of my other posts , i travel a lot just for the complete opposite --

OH -- Ive never mentioned the name of any car in any posts -- (that by the way you have not even been able to SPELL :laughing3: ) it was you who brought that up !!!! try google again for some more info

Remaking this point again --
Im pretty certain "as a full time auditor it is my business to ask difficult questions and make (oh the POWER haha ) difficult decisions " that somebody in that position-- would be able to spell PORSCHE !!

Pointing towards somebody thats not all what he claims to be - :snorting:

[latintopxxx]

a447
you fool...even the wank boys see you coming...you gotta have "big fat stupid ATM"stamped on your forehead...or do you simple have a looser aura about you.....fool and his money are soon parted....suggest you keep the day job...you gonna need it the way even street trade rips you off.....almost pity you...but no...I think you enjoy being the victim...

martin (please gimme a porcha...) .....now it's a spelling competition...probably thats the closest you will ever get to one....spelling it!!...although I ca't figure out why anyone would want one...a toyota will get me from a to b just as comfortably....but then I don't need props ......as for vanilla...you probably think doggy style is daring if not illegal!!

I've just had a brilliant brain fart....martin should date a44....perfectly suited....like minded....talk about a downward spiral.....would be lucking sucking lemons ....

[latintopxxx]

a447+martin-porcha wanna be....in all my excitement almost forgot...off to Italy for the next 3 days...so don't fret if I don't reply promptly to your fan mail...not ignoring you...simply have a life that does not always involve this forum....something I know you probably struggle to comprehend.,.

[a447]

You still havent explained any of the holes in your stories i and others have pointed out.
Why?
Why?
Surely even Newallan must be having second thoughts about your authenticity.
As for not wanting a Porsche it kind of goes sgainst the story you feed us about your luxury lifestyle.
Agsin it doesnt add up. why not stay in cheap hotels and pocket the difference?afterall if a toyota will get you from a to b.....

i agree with martin about not splitting this one ... id in fact surgest locking it .. the last 6 pages have nothing what so ever to do with what the OP was asking ... and while the first 50 slags where mildly amusing .. the last 20 or 30 have become zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Manforallseasons]

I thought this was one of his best "stories". Good entertainment!


In the last 10 years I've been visiting Thailand (mainly BKK and Jomtien) at leat 4 times/year; used to be based in China so it was real easy...last time i was in babs (April ''11) the high rise residential opposire it was just about done.
As for my statement that half the country is offable...maybe a slight exageration, but I do find that buying arse in BKK is so easy that one looses the "thrill of the chase"; guess I substitute it with haggling....enjoy picking up street trade late at night like outside the dusit ...waiters...bell boys...so easy...and cheap.(quote)latintopxxx

..... it kind of goes sgainst the story you feed us about your luxury lifestyle....

Fingering Romanian rent boys in underground stations doesn't sound that luxurious to me.

Sleazy and sordid, yes.

:occasion9:

[newalaan]

i agree with martin about not splitting this one ... id in fact surgest locking it .. the last 6 pages have nothing what so ever to do with what the OP was asking ... and while the first 50 slags where mildly amusing .. the last 20 or 30 have become zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzAnd your post would make that 31! Because I can't see anything in your own post about the original topic or the one which it has deviated to. Did'nt think it would be long before some half-wit waded in to do nothing more than moan about being forced to read posts on a forum, and it's no surprise that half-wit appears in the form of 'brithai'. Instead of a mod locking the thread why don't you just lock your keyboard? Now that would be a win win wouldn't it? You wouldn't have to read the stuff you don't like and we don't have to hear you mumping about it.

But failing that, and this is only an idea you might want to consider..........if you DON'T want to read the posts on this thread then DON'T click onto them, its VERY SIMPLE! Why should the thread which has interest to some here be locked just because you enjoy a good old mump about nothing! You say you are not interested, it bores you..in my book that makes you even more clueless for wasting your time reading it, so please DO fall asleep, that would probably be the most positive thing you could do. Of course if the dreary, off topic sleep inducing content on SGT bothers you to that extent, there are about 4 other gay thailand forums you might find exciting, interesting discussion more suited to your 'personality' try 'baht-stop' there's tons of stuff over there for you to waste time complaining about!

Just trying to offer positive ideas 'brithai' since the most obvious one of not clicking onto the subsequent 20-30 posts seems outwith your capability. My god you're a miserable old codger.

and you spend 10 minutes typing that because ???
or you just having a moan about me moaning ?? :dontknow:
another brain cell there and your other one would have company :party

[a447]

Scottish-guy, my sentiments entirely! Well said!

What a loser, reading posts he doesn't enjoy and then complaining that he doesn't enjoy them.


a447+martin-porcha wanna be....in all my excitement almost forgot...off to Italy for the next 3 days...

When the going gets tough the tough get going...."to Italy". Of course you are going to Italy. Why should anyone doubt you?. :sign5:


so don't fret if I don't reply promptly to your fan mail...not ignoring you...simply have a life that does not always involve this forum....something I know you probably struggle to comprehend.,.

Really? Then why have you been posting so often?? On the contrary, you seemed to have a life that DID always involve this forum up until today. That is, until the hard questions started rolling in. The "going to italy"story is a great excuse for you to get out of the kitchen when things start to heat up.

Well, a number of us on this board are waiting. Waiting..........

BTW, care to explain what a "quality auditor" is as opposed to a "financial auditor"? I already know but would LOVE to hear your explanation. hehe...

Hello from the OP. I'm sorry that my question generated such hateful comments. I don't know any of you, and I'm sure my comments won't change you, but doesn't being involved in this type of conversation make you feel kind of crappy? It's not so much about the time wasted, but about the negative energy that must surround you as you compile your (very detailed) responses. The next time you read something in a forum that you don't like, or that you believe to be exaggerated or untrue, you might want to think about smiling, laughing, and moving on to the next topic. I'm just a small-town Canadian boy, but I still believe in "If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Thanks everyone for the somewhat helpful advice in the first few responses.

[martin911]

Hello from the OP. I'm sorry that my question generated such hateful comments. I don't know any of you, and I'm sure my comments won't change you, but doesn't being involved in this type of conversation make you feel kind of crappy? It's not so much about the time wasted, but about the negative energy that must surround you as you compile your (very detailed) responses. The next time you read something in a forum that you don't like, or that you believe to be exaggerated or untrue, you might want to think about smiling, laughing, and moving on to the next topic. I'm just a small-town Canadian boy, but I still believe in "If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Thanks everyone for the somewhat helpful advice in the first few responses.

Hi to the OP -- yes your post has gone in a different direction ,and im sorry for that -- but this i think has been building for a while --- you are a new poster ??? --but the rest of us have been looking at the writings of one guy that far far exceed the basic bounds of human decency for some time now
I wont bother to write anymore on this topic now ,not a lot of point ,the guy in question has nothing credible to saw ,its getting childish and as you say the negative energy is a waste of time .

Im waiting for my sweet sexy Bf and another very good friend of ours to come home and then we are going out to help Colmx celebrate his birthday -- God only knows how many boys will in his entourage tonite --i could hardly count them last nite ---- but one thing for certain is they are all happy to be in his and my company (not getting paid ,just having a lot of sanook ) which the other guy we have all been talking about will prob never ever get to experience with his attitudes --and its his loss !!!
Cheers

[latintopxxx]

martin....what a climb down...nice apology...even if it's tinged with irony.....remember dear...don't throw stones....and do try to be genuinely nice....but again a leopard doesn't change its spots....once a vortex of negativity always one....have a nice evening with your imaginary friends (you will out grow that phase..) and drive there in your imaginary 911....

[cdnmatt]

Im waiting for my sweet sexy Bf and another very good friend of ours to come home and then we are going out to help Colmx celebrate his birthday -- God only knows how many boys will in his entourage tonite --i could hardly count them last nite ---- but one thing for certain is they are all happy to be in his and my company (not getting paid ,just having a lot of sanook ) which the other guy we have all been talking about will prob never ever get to experience with his attitudes --and its his loss !!!

No offense, but it's not exactly difficult to convince a bunch of Thai guys to come drink for free all night.

[martin911]

martin....what a climb down...nice apology...even if it's tinged with irony.....remember dear...don't throw stones....and do try to be genuinely nice....but again a leopard doesn't change its spots....once a vortex of negativity always one....have a nice evening with your imaginary friends (you will out grow that phase..) and drive there in your imaginary 911....


:wave: :wave:

[martin911]

Im waiting for my sweet sexy Bf and another very good friend of ours to come home and then we are going out to help Colmx celebrate his birthday -- God only knows how many boys will in his entourage tonite --i could hardly count them last nite ---- but one thing for certain is they are all happy to be in his and my company (not getting paid ,just having a lot of sanook ) which the other guy we have all been talking about will prob never ever get to experience with his attitudes --and its his loss !!!

No offense, but it's not exactly difficult to convince a bunch of Thai guys to come drink for free all night.

Matt -- no offense taken ,esp from you ,----But nobody said it was difficult!!!!! ( so whats your point ?), of course its not -- the same would be true for any nationality to take a bunch out to drink for the nite !!!!! --free for them yes --and im more than happy with the relatively small amount of money that i have to spend for that to happen --im having so much damm fun !!!!
The two guys upstairs have about 5 min left to fin making themselves "cute " as they say then we go out !!

When i put it into perspective with what i was spending in my home country going out vis a v the fun i have here -- there is no comparison !!!!

Im simply said that im going out tonite to have a bit of fun with a bunch of people !!!!!---- you are really starting to sound like somebody that is turning into a complete grouch --are you 30 odd yo or 80 ???

Lighten up fpr fucks sake
Good nite

[a447]

Hi Terry


Hello from the OP. I'm sorry that my question generated such hateful comments. I don't know any of you, and I'm sure my comments won't change you, but doesn't being involved in this type of conversation make you feel kind of crappy? It's not so much about the time wasted, but about the negative energy that must surround you as you compile your (very detailed) responses. The next time you read something in a forum that you don't like, or that you believe to be exaggerated or untrue, you might want to think about smiling, laughing, and moving on to the next topic. I'm just a small-town Canadian boy, but I still believe in "If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

As martin said, this "conversation" has been brewing for a while now. We are dealing with Latintopxxx who posts ficticious stories on this board about his alleged experiences in Thailand. He then wakes up and discovers it has all been a dream. But he then goes ahead and posts that dream as if it were true.

His stories contain inconsistencies and all I am forever asking him to do is explain them. If he were telling the truth, they'd be easy to explain. The fact that he ignores the holes in his stories is proof that he is lying. He will make one post and then post something totally the opposite. When asked to explain he either ignores the request or leaves the thread.


"If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

All I am is saying is, if you can't find something truthful to say, don't say anything at all.


but about the negative energy that must surround you as you compile your (very detailed) responses.

There is a vast difference between being critical and being negative. I'm certainly critical of latinpox but I'm far from being a negative person. Ask Daboss - he knows me. Surely exposing a fake cannot be called being negative. And unless respones are detailed, they are a waste of time. Accusations must be backed up by evidence. My posts re: latinpox are detailed because he gives me so much ammunition and evidence. In one post, e.g., he couldn't even remember what country he was in! Proof he wasn't there. Am I being negative in asking him for an explanation about that bogus trip??


The next time you read something in a forum that you don't like, or that you believe to be exaggerated or untrue, you might want to think about smiling, laughing, and moving on to the next topic

That kind of attitude is sweet, but will get you nowhere fast. Why smile and accept lies?? (Mind you, his posts, which are full of inaccuracies, do elicit lots of laughs and smiles). Why should new members of this forum who don't know latinpox's previous bogus posts be allowed to be fooled? Why should a liar not be exposed? Surely someone must alert them to the fact that he is lying about his exploits. Then they can go back, read his posts and come to their own conclusions.

As for negativity, I can assure you that anyone who lives here or visits regulary is FILLED WITH POSITIVITY. That's why we enjoy the place.

As martin pointed out, you must be a new member and so you don't understand the background.

Latinpox wrote:


.once a vortex of negativity always one....

And once a fake, always one!


what a climb down

Climb down???? What climb down?? Again, you are imagining things.

[bucknaway]

Hello from the OP. I'm sorry that my question generated such hateful comments. I don't know any of you, and I'm sure my comments won't change you, but doesn't being involved in this type of conversation make you feel kind of crappy? It's not so much about the time wasted, but about the negative energy that must surround you as you compile your (very detailed) responses. The next time you read something in a forum that you don't like, or that you believe to be exaggerated or untrue, you might want to think about smiling, laughing, and moving on to the next topic. I'm just a small-town Canadian boy, but I still believe in "If you can't find something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Thanks everyone for the somewhat helpful advice in the first few responses.

So as always, the advice on tipping depends a lot on the person who is tipping. If you have the means to tip lavishly than you are more than welcome to do so. If you have to budget your money than it is perfectly fine to find a tipping amount that works for both you and the guys. I am starting to notice that there is no set amount as you will find that if you ask 20 different guys how much to tip you will get 20 different answers.

I suggest you take all our answers with a pinch of salt; let the guys get a look at you and a feel for you than ask them what the tip should be. After you have done this enough you will find the level of compensation you should render to the guy. Also, if you hire a gay guide they may be of help in telling you what you should expect to pay in the way of a tip with a guy.

If you happen to be on GayRomeo while in Pattaya you will see many guys on there who are happy to simply have some fun mixed in with those that are there looking for money. When I talked to the moneyboys on Romeo and asked them how much they wanted the most common answer was 500 baht.

Don't let us bully you or attempt to shame you into being a fool with your money. Also remember that some guys live from day to day and survive on the tips they make on any given day and don't know if they will be able to pay rent or eat the next day.

The best advice I can give is to try to be kind and fair.

[Impulse]

Well that's a good response.Be fair.
I disagreed with you saying 500 will make them happy.Maybe in the bar where they don't have to leave.I still say at least 1,000 short and 1,500 long at a minimum,unless they are total duds.
The bottom line is,the tip comes after,which gives them less control.How many other countries is it "up to you"?

[bucknaway]

Part of me wonders if I should correct the record or just let it go and move on. I think I am just going to move on until I have something more to contribute.

I will say that you are correct that if you pick up a guy in a gogo bar than he will expect more than 500 baht, unless he likes you and tells you upfront that all he wants from you is 500 baht.

Not every person will have the exact same encounters with the people in Thailand. Anything can and does happen there. There will be times when one might think they are with a person expecting payment only to find out that they only wanted fun and friendship. They also will run the risk of spending time with someone who will want compensation for their time.

Many will tell you that appearance/attractiveness does not matter when it comes to the amount of compensation a guy will require, but I think that the guys take everything into consideration as I have found that to be true first hand.

I am told that guys that let their money do the talking are asked to pay more on average. I have not been told by the guys who is quoted lower rates.

Over my time there the guys have often let their hair down and shared many things with me that reminded me that they were no different than anyone else I have known here in the USA. They don't like pushy, rude tourist with attitudes. For many of the guys I know, they seriously do not like foreigners who think their money makes them superior.

To show just how similar Thailand guys are to American guys, I remember when I was 21. Me and my friend Scott and his boyfriend Daniel went to a strip club. Well Daniel fell in lust with a stripper there and when we were ready to leave, Dan stayed behind and moved in with the stripper. A week later we went back to the strip club to find that the stripper and Daniel were not together anymore. Scott turned on the charm and invited the stripper to come with us. The stripper agreed and Scott told me his plan was to only use a small amount of lube and fuck the stripper till he begged him to stop. It was to be his punishment to the stripper and it worked in as much that the stripper fell in lust with Scott and called him nonstop. No one paid for sex. The stripper wanted fun and a good time. Now if we had planned to go to DC to pick up a stripper for free, we would have been told it does not work that way.

Well... Trying to pick up a gogo boy in Thailand for free... It does not work that way. But it does happen... Just don't plan on it.

[cdnmatt]

Matt -- no offense taken ,esp from you ,----But nobody said it was difficult!!!!! ( so whats your point ?)

Nah, it's just that you said it in a condescending tone, as if you're living some dream life that people like latinpox can't attain. It's easy though. Just goto Pattaya with a wad of cash.


you are really starting to sound like somebody that is turning into a complete grouch --are you 30 odd yo or 80 ???

Not a grouch at all, and life is actually great. I'm just realistic. If anything, it's because life is too good right now, and I'm simply scared of losing it all again. I've been alive long enough to know you don't get this good of a life too often, so I'm trying to be smart about it all. I'm actually happier than I've been in a long time though. :-)

[martin911]

So what excactly was your point re that its not difficult to get a bunch to join us and go out for the night ???--what reason did u feel the need to say it(which is pretty obvious to most of us here ) -------and That wasnt condescending to start with ???

I too am happier than ive been in a long time --and long may it last -- but it seems that when i share some of my experiences on the board (which its what its all about right --talking about gay Thailand and its ups and downs ) --and you put in well its not difficult to get a bunch of guys to go drinking --- tell me why you posted such a thing -- ,im genuinely interested -???

And you might like to have a read back on some of your latest posts ---- they dont sound one bit happy !!!!!!!!!!!!--- and seem to have taken the usual pattern of farang stays here a relatively longer time than before --and all then they seem to be able is to find all that is wrong with Thailand and complain --
look at yout post on 711 clerks /barboys sucking off old men etc --nobody forces them too etc --- you from your lofty perch says that they all can sucseed if they put their minds to it ---- partonising or what to the Thai people eh ??--just a tad !!

And if you think all it takes to have great fun in pattaya is have a wad of cash -- u havent a clue!!! --cash will buy many things yes --- but i happen to think its foremost in how you intereact with and treat people that will give you happiness --- not cash !!!!!!!!!

Matt try post something positive for a change --like you used to before !!!

[lexusgs]

As we are talking about experiences right now I will add mine from the last month. I recently broke up with my Thai guy of 3 yrs. Yeh I've been out trolling the bars and clubs checking things out. I've met a few guys where we just have a chat and a drink and they have returned home with me. Some don't wanna take money others do. I think a lot has to do with your attitude. Maybe being here full time puts out a different kind of attitude to the guys. I think they feel so much more relaxed when you take an interest in their life and boy have they got some stories to tell. :bounce:

[martin911]

So what excactly was your point re that its not difficult to get a bunch to join us and go out for the night ???--what reason did u feel the need to say it(which is pretty obvious to most of us here ) -------and That wasnt condescending to start with ???

I too am happier than ive been in a long time --and long may it last -- but it seems that when i share some of my experiences on the board (which its what its all about right --talking about gay Thailand and its ups and downs ) --and you put in well its not difficult to get a bunch of guys to go drinking --- tell me why you posted such a thing -- ,im genuinely interested -???

And you might like to have a read back on some of your latest posts ---- they dont sound one bit happy !!!!!!!!!!!!--- and seem to have taken the usual pattern of farang stays here a relatively longer time than before --and all then they seem to be able is to find all that is wrong with Thailand and complain --
look at yout post on 711 clerks /barboys sucking off old men etc --nobody forces them too etc --- you from your lofty perch says that they all can sucseed if they put their minds to it ---- partonising or what to the Thai people eh ??--just a tad !!

And if you think all it takes to have great fun in pattaya is have a wad of cash -- u havent a clue!!! --cash will buy many things yes --- but i happen to think its foremost in how you intereact with and treat people that will give you happiness --- not cash !!!!!!!!!

Matt try post something positive for a change --like you used to before !!!


Matt any chance you might like to reply to the above - as i said im interested in your reply --

If you dont want to reply no worries--its a bit like before when you got some replies you prob didnt like re the way Kim and his friends were treating you and the ground floor of your house !!!!

[cdnmatt]

Sorry, didn't know you actually wanted a reply.


So what excactly was your point re that its not difficult to get a bunch to join us and go out for the night ???--what reason did u feel the need to say it(which is pretty obvious to most of us here ) -------and That wasnt condescending to start with ???

Again, it's just how you said it. It's like you were bragging about how good your life is, while telling latin he'll never live that good because he's a loser, which just ain't true. It's great that you're so happy though! Like I said, I've been alive long enough to know you don't get to be truly happy very often, so congrats!


but it seems that when i share some of my experiences on the board (which its what its all about right --talking about gay Thailand and its ups and downs )

Not at all, and I love reading your stories. I may not reply to them very often, but I enjoy reading them. Just don't try to drag someone else down while you're sharing your experiences. That's rude. I know I'm more than likely a hypocrite for saying that, but what the hell. Just to save anyone the time, don't bother going through my post history to find somewhere I did the same. I'll already agree I did!


And you might like to have a read back on some of your latest posts ---- they dont sound one bit happy !!!!!!!!!!!!

True enough, and yeah, I wasn't very happy back then. What can I say? Time changes things.


and seem to have taken the usual pattern of farang stays here a relatively longer time than before --and all then they seem to be able is to find all that is wrong with Thailand and complain

Total opposite, actually. Everything is good, and after almost 2 years in this house, I can confidently say I'm 100% comfortable in Thailand. I think it's just recently the realization has set in that I WILL be living in this exact house with Kim for many more years to come. It's not just a "let's give it a try, and see what happens" thing anymore, but actually permanent now. It's good. :-)


look at yout post on 711 clerks /barboys sucking off old men etc --nobody forces them too etc --- you from your lofty perch says that they all can sucseed if they put their minds to it

Fucken rights, and honestly I think that's a very healthy attitude to have. Giving them a free sympathy vote just because they're Thai and were born poor isn't going to help them any. That's only going to make things worse. If one of these guys is tired of being poor, then turn off CamFrog, YouTube, and Facebook, and use that time to learn something. Not to mention, if you're going to give them sympathy, many of them will play the sympathy card as much as possible with you to try and get money. And more than enough times they've proven they don't want to help themselves, which is totally fine with me, and up to them. Just don't expect my sympathy out of it.


Matt try post something positive for a change --like you used to before !!!

Hmmm... lots of things are good. House is always clean now, and everyone's respectful of it, so that's good! Kim seems to have grown up finally, so that's good too! I don't know, what else? Oh, I know...

New Years was awesome this year, and definitely better than I've had in many years. Out front of the house was all nicely setup with balloons, lights, streamers, etc... Had the plasma TV, stereo system, karaoke machine out there, loads of great food, booze flowing freely, some of the family was here, popped the champagne at midnight, etc. Was a great party, and everyone had a blast.

My favorite part was the Secret Santa gift exchange, and I'll remember that for years. Everyone brought their wrapped presents which got numbered, then small rolled up pieces were thrown in a bowl. Everyone's all excited and drunk when it came time, each person picking a number out, Kim's up there announcing each number on the karaoke, the sender & receiver have to get their photo taken together, etc. Then everyone stands up together, open their presents at the same time while yelling out, "Yeah!!! Happy New Year!!!"

lol, fuck me... they were having so much fun, I didn't have the heart to tell them the whole presents and Secret Santa thing happens on Christmas, not New Years. :)

[greenteaman]

seems there is no middle ground with you guys in the tipping arena , A person is damned if they give too much and called a fool that easily parts with money , or they are kienio [ mean ] if they don't give enough in some peoples eyes .

Each Falang has different financial circumstances I travel all over Thailand and until only last year spent 6 months out of every year there whoring around, personally I never give less than B1000 for a short time trick , for an over night I pay B2000 , plus entertainment costs, those being meals and drinks plus treating the lads to new clothes shoes phones or what ever, I always eat at Cabbages and Condoms ! why ? I can afford it , I treat every lad I like to be with as being special .

Try and pick up a money boy in UK there arn't many that will not work for less than ┬г100 for few hours , that's B5000 ish .

I have an old friend that travels with me to Thailand who is on a pension in England and he has limited funds and saves for his visits every other years, he has every right to secure a deal with the lads for what he can afford ,I know he can get as many lads as he needs at B500 . its all he can afford to give ,

I have learn over the 13 years I have traveled around bars that its best to be alone , that way there isn't the trailing associated cost , I am too old to call a young lad my lover . and also too experienced to get myself tied to a money boy , There are a lot of fish in that sea ,variety is the spice of life , and I like to taste as much of the fruit as possible that's I feel attracted to ,

I treat each and every lad with the respect I expect for myself ,as does my old friend ,

[a447]

Hi cdnmatt

You wrote:

while telling latin he'll never live that good because he's a loser, which just ain't true.

Could you also give me a reply?

Please read (re-read?) by post on this thread to Newalaan (page 7). Could you then tell me why you feel my accusations are false, thereby justifying your suggestion in the above quote that Latinpox not a fake? I used info from Latin's OWN posts in making my accusations.

And could you also read my post on page 3 of the thread "What is it about the barboys?"

Could you also tell me why you think a genuine poster would refuse, time and time again, to answer obvious conflicts in his posts? Doesn't that concern you at all? Doesn't that ring a few bells? Doesn't that suggest that he is lying his little heart out, which, in my mind, DOES make him a loser? Doesn't his "life" of a highly paid financial or quality auditor (he's one or the other, depending on which post of his you read) flitting around the world at his employer's expense, living a life of luxury sound like the ravings of a Walter Mitty to you? Don't the over the top descriptions of the things he says he does to the boys sound like the ravings of a frustrated old guy? Aren't they just a little TOO over the top, or do you actually believe he'd use a boy as a stool while he (Latin) ate his breakfast? Do you actually believe he did this to a ROMANIAN STREET KID he picked up from the station? Have you ever been to Eastern Europe and seen these thugs?? And you believe Latin lived to tell the tale? Come on now!

I'm not having a go at you, cdnmatt. I enjoy your posts a lot. I'm not suggesting that you are the type who, at your age, still goes along to the shopping mall at Christmas time and wants to sit on Santa's knee. It's just incomprehensible to me that, after all the evidence against him , (again, based on his own posts), you could think that he is not a loser.

If I am missing something in all of this, please enlighten me.

[cdnmatt]

Could you also give me a reply?

Please read (re-read?) by post on this thread to Newalaan (page 7). Could you then tell me why you feel my accusations are false, thereby justifying your suggestion in the above quote that Latinpox not a fake? I used info from Latin's OWN posts in making my accusations.

Sure, I can give you a reply. I'm busy, and I don't give a shit. How's that? :-)

I'm sorry, but I'm busy, and am not going to waste my time on some immature, childlike message board fight that contains the "he-said-she-said" argument. I just don't care enough. Sorry.

I'm busy, and I don't give a shit. How's that? :-)

I'm sorry, but I'm busy, and am not going to waste my time on some immature, childlike message board fight that contains the "he-said-she-said" argument. I just don't care enough. Sorry.

Not that busy, obviously.

:occasion9:

[cdnmatt]

I'm busy, and I don't give a shit. How's that? :-)

I'm sorry, but I'm busy, and am not going to waste my time on some immature, childlike message board fight that contains the "he-said-she-said" argument. I just don't care enough. Sorry.

Not that busy, obviously.

Ok, ok, fine... I'm not that busy, but just simply don't give a shit. Better? :-)

[a447]

Great answer Matt. hehe

[a447]

cndmatt wrote:

as if you're living some dream life that people like latinpox can't attain.

then you wrote:


while telling latin he'll never live that good because he's a loser, which just ain't true.

I was confused with your 2 different views. That's all. :)

[colmx]

Mekhin is the most expensive, 'cos he is the most popular

Looking at some of those guys pics - i'd give them 5000B to get out of my room!
I know everyone has different taste... but these guys do absolutely nothing for me :love4:

[RonanTheBarbarian]

tips vary a lot at Tawan -I find the most up to date info on tips is in the profiles of the Tawan guys in the members area at tawanasia dot com

How does this work exactly?

Do people who have hired them report on what they tipped?

[soi_toi]

the problem is that you dont know that you under-tipped until the next time you visit and the Tawan guys shun you!


I find the most up to date info on tips is in the profiles of the Tawan guys in the members area at tawanasia dot com


check out tawanasia dot com and save yourself some money and a lot of embarassment



anybody been to tawan recently?
are the guys getting pumped for the October bodybuilding competition?
tawanasia dot com says Ten is getting huge with very low body fat and hornier than ever!
anybody off'd Ten recently?

Ya right! Is asianmusclefan advertising his ripoff service?


1 day membership ($25.00 for one day)
14day Membership ($15.00 for each 14 days)
28day Membership ($28.00 for each 28 days)

If you're paying to access this site for the info and you're questioning it, why pay?

Anyone STUPID enough to fork out this kind of dough towards this site should feel embarrassed.

Post your questions on SGT, or the Thailand forum on cruising for sex dot com. Someone who's a fan of the Tawan guys will share what they know with you for free.

I have chatted up quite a few of the guys there and I've offed a few. If I've ever under tipped, which I thought I may have, I was never treated any differently. In fact the guys I have offed, have always approach me the next time I'm in the bar and offer themselves again, which I usually won't on the same trip.

Great answer Matt. heheIts his answer to every post where he doesnt have an answer havent you worked that out go and check.

[a447]

Sorry, Brizzie, but recently I've been busy going back and checking on someone else's postings!

who who who !!
dont ya just love nonsensicle posts .. if thats a word

Sorry, Brizzie, but recently I've been busy going back and checking on someone else's postings!


The term "get a life" comes to mind !

[a447]

brithai wrote:look on the bright side NI at least if you shake yourself thats a thousand baht saved


NIrish Guy wrote in reply:

Hell if that logic were true and I saved a thousand bath every time I'd be a VERY rich man by now lol :-)

Some life, NIrish guy!

I think I prefer my own! :sign5:

Great, I'm pleased for you as it sounded there for a minute that you were sitting like an old woman pouring over someone's posts just to score stupid points in a bitching contest, I'm glad that's not the case and even more delighted that you do actually get out a bit.......and as for wanking.....what can I say, I love it and am not ashamed to admit it :-) - maybe you should try it more often, it might take some of the sting out of your replies to people and give you something else to do but trawl over old posts on an internet board of an afternoon perhaps ?.

[latintopxxx]

...lets all try and be nice to a447...maybe...just maube it will make a diff....

[aot871]

this subject has been going on for years and years , and will be going on long after this forum has closed down , Why dont we just say bht 1000 for short time and bht 1500 for long time , extended periods should be disscused between the boy and ones self

[latintopxxx]

...aot871..the fact that it keeps coming up means it's relevant and whi made you the price police...lets just say that everything is negotiable..which in my vast..and I mean vast (I've probably fucked more than you've had breakfasts..) it is!! I've paid as little as BHT300 and as much as 2400 short time..meaning not more than 3 hours...and the 2400 was for a drop dead gorgeous supposedly top only from dream boys that I offed soon after the floods...didn't take long to convince him (just 900 extra)...but he swore me to confidence..all I can say look out for a tall, well muscled gogo boy...was worth every single BHT..

well well latin what ever credability you lost ... has just come back ... 2400 for short time .. fuck me .. please dont offer tho i charge far more than that.. tho christian might be intrested !

I'm still laughing that people are still falling for the "I'm strictly a top only - but as long as you dont tell anyone for another 900 Baht I'm yours" etc etc - the reason being you're not to tell anyone of course being that everyone has the same story with the same guy and then it's only a matter of how much extra Baht he screwed out of you for something everyone else was getting anyway - lol :-) and people wonder why Thai's think we're Farang are all so stupid..... lol sometimes they just might have a point ! :-)

[latintopxxx]

you'r probably right...but he was real convincing....and it was the rare occasion when i spent up real big...and it was worth it....tighter than a ducks arse in cold water...

[martin911]

I'm still laughing that people are still falling for the "I'm strictly a top only - but as long as you dont tell anyone for another 900 Baht I'm yours" etc etc - the reason being you're not to tell anyone of course being that everyone has the same story with the same guy and then it's only a matter of how much extra Baht he screwed out of you for something everyone else was getting anyway - lol :-) and people wonder why Thai's think we're Farang are all so stupid..... lol sometimes they just might have a point ! :-)

But we all start out as Top only-- !!! so some of them are being truthful !!!!(until they get fucked !!!!!)

But its damm fucking horny fucking/ watching a top being fucked -- the noises/moans --and then with a little popper help watch as they they start to enjoy it a little more !!!!

[latintopxxx]

...actually just been thinking about it...he had already thrown his clothes on..wasn't upset...but was fully clothed and on his way out...then hollywood style I blurted out that I would double the money + pay his taxi fee...he had been fucked before because I did party hard on his rear...but it suggests that normally he wouldn't....

[martin911]

...actually just been thinking about it...he had already thrown his clothes on..wasn't upset...but was fully clothed and on his way out...then hollywood style I blurted out that I would double the money + pay his taxi fee...he had been fucked before because I did party hard on his rear...but it suggests that normally he wouldn't....

That guy --did he like it ??

[a447]

Nirishguy wrote:
pouring over someone's posts just to score stupid points..................trawl over old posts.

No, Nirish guy. The posts were from just the other day. Hardly need to spend an afternoon on it! :)

As for
sting out of your replies to people,

as far as I can tell, there is only ONE person who has no credibility left and I have made a few stinging replies to that ONE person, but hardly to other members. I can't think of anyone else who posts wrong info as factual info, so I think I have been pleasant enough to everyone else. Well, at least as far as I can recall. Any examples of other people I have made stinging replies to?
Sure, other people have made posts which I consider dumb and which I could have easily attacked. Lord knows, others have gone on the attack! For example, Beachlover gets nasty, vitriolic comments thrown at him all the time, day after day. So I could have made a few "stinging replies" to posts of his that I didn't agree with. But I didn't. But I make a clear distinction between what I consider dumb and what I consider dishonest. I also make a clear distinction between comments directed at me and comments directed at others. If someone accuses me of something, I get straight back to them with a reply. I don't mean to score points, I mean to explain something. And for christ's sake, how about giving credit to Beachlover - at least he always picks himself up and comes back on the board immediately with an explanation whenever he is attacked. Not like someone else, who we know!

I could have ignored your comment about me needing to "get a life." (Were you trying to "score stupid points" with that comment??) But I couldn't resist your wanking reference. No harm intended. :)

And latinpox, I don't ask people to be nice. Just to be honest.

As far as I can tell, there is only ONE person who has no credibility left and I have made a few stinging replies to that ONE person, but hardly to other members.

You know fair enough, perhaps I was a little harsh there and accordingly I am happy to retract that off the cuff remark, I think it was just the whole "going over old posts" thing that sparked me up as as you well know sometimes the board just gets so bogged down in "he said this, no you said that" ping pong game and it's like a junior school playground and it gets so tiring to read, but I accept with the odd execption ( just like the rest of us :-) that yes you're actually not a bad spud at all :-)


How about giving credit to Beachlover - at least he always picks himself up and comes back on the board immediately with an explanation whenever he is attacked. Not like someone else, who we know!

Actually you'll not find me arguing about that as I know other people seem, rightly or wrongly, to find issue with Beechy over various things but I'm not one of them, I always enjoy reading most of his posts and contributions and personally have always found him to be courteous etc, I know others may not have had the same experience and like the rest of us he can have a sharp tongue if he feels the need but as personally I have never had reason to experience that and as I take people as I find them you'll get no argument from me on that one.



I could have ignored your comment about me needing to "get a life." (Were you trying to "score stupid points" with that comment??) But I couldn't resist your wanking reference. No harm intended. :)

:-) Actually I wasn't trying to score points at all as I FULLY meant every word of that :-) - again remember that I had an image of you sitting scrolling through months and months of posts to find the "one" post where someone had said "he" instead of "we" or some other earth shattering alteration that some people have been all to quick to pounce on here over the years when they've nothing better to do but to keep a flame war going.......so on my (incorrect) assumption that that's what you were intending to sit and do all day I ABSOLUTELY meant every word and it was intended as constructive criticism :-) - but I'm glad you clarified that that wasn't your intention at all in the end and I will then so accept that it appears that you do in fact "have a life" lol :-)

And re the wanking bit :-) yes you're "some life" remark may have oiled my fingers a little there :-) but apart from that I guess how could I take offence at something that is so blatantly true lol

So there you go, olive branch now proferred and peace love and harmony all restored hopefully :-).......my god there's a first for the board !! if we're not careful this rational, respectful, adult communication thing just might catch on - but I doubt it somehow ! lol :-)

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NIrish Guy wrote:
So there you go, olive branch now proferred

And humbly accepted.

Thanks for your post, NIrish Guy.

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latinpox wrote:
and as much as 2400 short time..

I seem to recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that you more than once posted that those of us who pay such amounts were "loosers" - no need to waste our money, but if we wanted to, then so be it. We are stupid. (Something to that effect.)

Are you now joining us "loosers" as we waste our hard-earned cash on short time pleasures?? Are you now paying far more than the going rate for short time??

Oh and you also wrote:


look out for a tall, well muscled gogo boy

Seeing as you had him close up, is that really all the detail you can give about him??? A bit of a vague description, isn't it? That could apply to many gogo boys. I could have told you that without even stepping one foot into Thailand. You don't have his name? His number? Tatoos anywhere? (If so, where and what do they look like??)

Oh sorry, I forgot. He swore you to secrecy! How convenient!

[latintopxxx]

ok ....so this one time (actually been more than once...) I paid over 700....so shoot me I'm a looser....happy...???...I certainly was when I had him on nhis back...his heavy muscle legs on my shoulders....and I was pumping away...occasionally leaning down to french him...actually made love for change...

...actually made love for change...

To a go-go boy ! - I doubt that somehow :-) - at least as far as he was concerned anyway and if you thought otherwise I fear you are severely deluding yourself - but hey I guess as long as you enjoyed the fantasy in the moment with him then that's that matters and if so then it was worth the 2400 you paid for short time, the guy done good and earned his money by the sounds of it so everyone's happy - and that's all that matters.