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May 10th, 2006, 07:27
From the New Scientist
Love special: Same sex, different rules
29 April 2006
Simon LeVay

IT IS a common observation that we are attracted to people who resemble us. We are more likely to like them, bond with them and have stable relationships with them - a phenomenon that social scientists call "homophily". This seems to make sense: partners of the same age, race, religion or educational level, or who have similar personalities and attitudes, will reinforce each other's self-esteem, find mutually enjoyable pursuits and receive support from their extended families and social networks.

Difference, on the other hand, has always seemed like a recipe for trouble. In his Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle argued that relationships between dissimilar partners were utilitarian "deals" - my beauty for your wealth, for example - and were therefore likely to fall apart as the qualities that were traded changed over time.

Yet Aristotle, along with the scientists who have studied and promoted the phenomenon of homophily, have turned a blind eye to its most common and flagrant violation: heterosexuality. When men and women are attracted to each other, fall in love and enter into lasting relationships, they are choosing partners who differ from themselves. At the very least they differ biologically, in physical appearance and body function - but that is just the beginning. For men and women also differ from each other, statistically at least, in cognitive traits such as visuospatial skills, navigational strategies, verbal fluency, memory skills and mathematical reasoning, and in aspects of personality such as aggressiveness, competitiveness, self-esteem, risk-taking, neuroticism, emotional sensitivity, agreeableness, interest in casual sex and pornography, and jealousy.

Furthermore, the tendency of pre-adolescents to join sex-segregated social networks encourages the development of marked cultural differences between males and females - in communication style, for example. Men and women may not be from different planets, but they are much more alien to each other, on average, than are two men or two women. So, if homophily rules, why isn't everyone gay?

A related and more approachable question is this: do gay people fall in love more readily than heterosexuals, and are their relationships more stable, by virtue of their being the same sex? The answer seems to be no, far from it. While there are plenty of long-lasting gay and lesbian relationships, there are also large numbers of gay people who claim to be looking for Mr or Ms Right but who quickly lose interest in the partners they hitch up with. Even among those same-sex couples who do stay together, sexual passion may decline to the point that sexual activity between the partners ceases: "lesbian bed death" and its male equivalent. Neither of these problems is unique to gay people, of course, but they do seem to be especially common among them, according to studies pioneered by sociologists Philip Blumstein and Pepper Schwartz in the 1980s.

According to the forthcoming book Commitment and Healing: Gay men and the need for romantic love by the American psychiatrist Richard Isay, the difficulty that many gay men experience in falling and staying in love has its roots in childhood. Specifically, Isay says, the cause is a failure of some parents to love and support their gay sons, often because these sons are not as masculine as the parents would wish. This leaves them deficient in the self-love that is the prerequisite for loving others or for accepting the love that others have to offer.

While acknowledging the likely truth of these ideas, I suggest that a different factor is also relevant - one that Isay has touched on in his earlier writings. Gay partners, being of the same sex, may sometimes be too similar to each other for their relationships to be stable. They experience a kind of "anti-homophily". It may be that they find it difficult to develop the reciprocal dependency that lies at the core of a stable loving relationship; they have nothing to trade, as it were. In addition, it may be difficult for a person to see their partner as sufficiently "other" or "exotic" for romantic passion to persist.

Drawn to difference
Consciously or unconsciously, gay people have developed strategies to circumvent this problem. People who enter into gay relationships, though belonging to the same sex, may be quite different from each other in their gender characteristics. At times these differences have even been culturally formalised. In their ethnography of a New York lesbian community of the 1950s (Boots of Leather, Slippers of Gold), Elizabeth Lapovsky Kennedy and Madeline Davis recount how women entering that community had to declare and act out either a "butch" or a "femme" identity; sexual partnerships could only be between a butch and a femme. Even today, researchers have noted that partners in stable lesbian relationships are likely to differ in their gender characteristics.

What about male couples? Anthropologists such as Walter Williams of the University of Southern California have documented the tradition of marriages or cohabitations between masculine and feminine men among Native Americans, the people of Polynesia and many other cultures, including developed western ones. One such relationship was portrayed by Robin Williams and Nathan Lane in the 1996 movie The Birdcage. Although grossly stereotyped for humorous effect, it may have been more culturally authentic than the relationship between two similar, conventionally masculine men that was the focus of last year's Brokeback Mountain.

Besides gender-based differences, many gay couples are characterised by other kinds of difference, such as disparities in age, race and cultural background - the very factors that, according to the homophily literature, are supposed to militate against the formation and stability of relationships. Admittedly, these disparities have not been the subject of much quantitative research, but anyone who spends time in the gay community comes across them. A common phenomenon in the US, for example, is a couple consisting of an older, professional white man and a younger Asian or Hispanic man, perhaps an immigrant with a very different cultural perspective. Homosexual relationships between partners of widely differing ages are a recognised tradition in numerous cultures, from ancient Greece to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Some degree of difference between partners is probably necessary for the establishment and maintenance of loving sexual relationships. With a man and a woman, this essential difference is supplied automatically by the very fact that the union crosses the sex divide. Differences beyond that, in age, race and so forth, may tend to overload a couple's capacity for mutual understanding, or may provoke social intolerance, which would explain why most stable heterosexual partnerships are between fairly similar people.

In same-sex relationships, on the other hand, where there is no automatic provision of gender-based differences, couples may actually seek out and benefit from dissimilarity, whether in gender-related behaviour traits or any number of other personality or demographic variables. It would be a useful project to examine whether same-sex couples differ in race, age and so on more commonly than heterosexual couples, and to investigate whether, as I predict, such differences confound homophily theory by contributing to the stability of relationships rather than undermining it.

cottmann
May 12th, 2006, 09:40
wrap a pig's caul around each ball! If you do not have a pig's caul, use extra breadcrumbs instead. .... I ran out of breadcrumbs, and had some problems with the balls falling apart..."

The mind boggles, because this is not what one might think. It is taken from a website on making faggots - apparently a UK dish involving pig's or calf's liver, pork, onions, breadcrumbs, thyme, sage, basil, nutmeg, salt and pepper and an egg.

On the other hand, licking breadcrumbs from his balls might make a change from yoghurt or honey!

May 12th, 2006, 11:22
wrap a pig's caul around each ball! If you do not have a pig's caul, use extra breadcrumbs instead. .... I ran out of breadcrumbs, and had some problems with the balls falling apart..." ... apparently a UK dish involving pig's or calf's liver, pork, onions, breadcrumbs, thyme, sage, basil, nutmeg, salt and pepper and an egg.

Ok, the thread takes a turn, but I must say I do like Faggots, both human and food varieties. Faggots may sound strange to non UK peeps and even to some from the UK. Another lovely traditional dish (mainly from the North of England) is black pudding - easy to make, just get a pig's intestine and fill it with a mix of cubes of fat, pints of pigs blood, cereal and seasoning. As I recall I think it is cooked (boiled) before purchase and the pigs blood turns the outer casing black as well as the innards, then when ready just slice and fry in even more fat ... scrumdiddlyumptious! :geek: Anyone dare criticise some Thai eating habits (insects, snakes etc) just needs to look at their own culture for more pecularities

May 12th, 2006, 11:25
...or British culture, anyway.

cottmann
May 12th, 2006, 11:58
....Ok, the thread takes a turn, ....

Yes, sorry, but I googled "Why faggots are different" after reading homintern's posting and the wording in one of the articles thrown up appealed to my warped sense of humour.

Back to the original posting, however, and to the article. If what I understand to be its main thrust is that partners in a stable relationship need to be different in some way. If that is the case, is it the explanation of why so many of us like Thai boys who are physically and culturally different?

May 12th, 2006, 12:13
No...I think it is because they are cheap and are good at pretending to be in love.