Recent Pattaya Visit Report

[SlaveDriver]

Though I have been to Thailand many times in the past this was the first time I spent my entire vacation in Pattaya. I wish I should have done this on previous visists.

I stayed at one of the popular hotels down Boystown. Amazing experience with the new management at the hotel, the service and facilities can be compared to 5 star service.

Though it was at the tail end of the high season, the bars were fairly packed not good as the BKK ones, but when it came to the selection of guys it was far better than Soi Twilight in BKK. It was surprising to note that Pattaya bars attract guys from all parts of Thailand. So the market has variety to offer from the popular Isan, Cheng Mai, Cheng Rai. Laos, Cambodia, Rayong, Nong Kai and you name it. The guys were much cleaner, cute, handsome, attractive, interactive, friendly, outgoing, spoke enough english to keep company. Also noticed a exodus of guys coming from BKK mostly during the weekends, mainly frequenting at Funny Boys. Also what I was able to observe is that most of the guys do not work as regular at the bars and the bars too have accepted this working arrangements given the current flow of gay tourist and the market conditions. While this suits the business needs from the customers point of view you may have to visit these bars over couple of days to find the right match you are looking for.

Me and my friends spent much of our time and money at the Funny Boys as it had the most selection and the variety. May be given their popularity and demand the guys tend to me more on the negative side, with attitute and indifferent to customers. As a result what I observed was that many customers came and walked out without taking the guys. Most of the nights the guys went back home without customers. The bar need to work more on customer service and friendly side of the business. I am sure if they can improve on that side of the business they will do well both for the guys and the bar.

David Bar though not known much, has the best selection of guys. The atmosphere is excellent and the service is good. There are are clean, tall, cute more on the fair side of the skin. There are few cuties that you should not miss.

Kawaii is very popular amonst the Asian customer base as their selection tend to be more on the fem side. Mamasan is friendly and entertaining. The staff are well educated to take good care of the customers and thats why they have mostly return customers and the guys are popular. The guys provide such a good service, most of them find farang boy friends from this bar and looked after by them. Not much in numbers but the guys are worth a peep-in

Shooting Star ...... the place to watch is Lucky 7. Has an excellent selection and specially the one they have from Laos and Cambodia. Angels of the gay world. Since they all run visa boarder crossing every month, timing is your luck to find that cutie. The general feedback is that not only they are cuties they are sex bombs too. I have a Laos guy from BKK and from him I know if Thai guys are sex horses laos guys are sex bulls.

Enoyed the shows at Wildwsest boys and Cuopa. Worth the money spent and the time. Dancers are Angels, but most of them conduct themselves in a very professional manner. They dont linger around after the shows and they are nowhere to be seen to make any headway. They worth a million dollar.

Versa Bar (May be I am not sure of the word) is hidden in a corner, but a place to watch out. Good few cuties hidding in this bar and they are sex bombs as well.

In general the gay industry is dying and unless someone would start a good pub-disco style veneue around the Boystown area, there is nothing much to keep the gay tourist engaged throughout the night of enjoyment. In terms of entertainment the bars have nothing to offer much. Once they pick up the guys they have nowhere to go except to Dave or NAB that too they have to wait till mid-night. I predicted 3 years ago that Soi Twilight in BKK will get wiped out of the market, it has happened now. Unless the Pattaya gay business community will change and find ways and means to keep the gay tourist engaged and entertained the entire night and cater to the Technology Generation, most of the business will not survive in the next 2-3 years. Let us change the way we would cater to the new generation of gays than sticking to the baby-boomers generation of retired and laidback concept. You need to compete with the stright tourist industry and see what they have to offer to those tourist. Walking street buinesses are booming and we are dooming. We dont want to change. A change is needed.

[Beachlover]

Interesting observations in the last paragraph and I think you're right on most of them...

I think the commercial sex bar businesses in Boyztown are vulnerable because that's almost all they offer - a show and the chance to grab a gogo boy - and the demand for this may be declining. I think it'd be better if they stayed where they are and other aspects of Pattaya's gay-oriented nightlife grew elsewhere.

The sleaze of the former can detract from and hold back the latter. Some tourists who come to Pattaya to party and aren't interested in paid sex can be very put off by the sleazy feel surrounding bars offering commercial sex.


In general the gay industry is dying...
More correctly... "the commercial sex gay industry is dying".


there is nothing much to keep the gay tourist engaged throughout the night of enjoyment.
More correctly... "the socially impotent gay paid sex tourist who knows how to do little more than grab a gogo boy off the state and take him back to his room for sex"


I predicted 3 years ago that Soi Twilight in BKK will get wiped out of the market, it has happened now.
Really? Are you saying Soi Twilight is dead? Don't think that's true...

[luvthai-2]

have not heard of the "DAVID BAR", where is it located? Is it a gogo or beer bar?

[christianpfc]

Versa Bar (May be I am not sure of the word) is hidden in a corner, but a place to watch out. Good few cuties hidding in this bar and they are sex bombs as well.
You probably mean Vassa Bar, between Pattayaland Soi 1 and 2. Did you see any tattoos on the boys there? (When I went there, none of the 13 boys present had a tattoo, which was a pleasant surprise as I don't like tattoos.)


have not heard of the "DAVID BAR", where is it located? Is it a gogo or beer bar?
It's on Pattayland Soi 1, next to Cupidol (if I remember correctly). It's a gogo bar.

In general the gay industry is dying and unless someone would start a good pub-disco style veneue around the Boystown area, there is nothing much to keep the gay tourist engaged throughout the night of enjoyment. In terms of entertainment the bars have nothing to offer much. Once they pick up the guys they have nowhere to go except to Dave or NAB that too they have to wait till mid-night. I predicted 3 years ago that Soi Twilight in BKK will get wiped out of the market, it has happened now. Unless the Pattaya gay business community will change and find ways and means to keep the gay tourist engaged and entertained the entire night and cater to the Technology Generation, most of the business will not survive in the next 2-3 years. Let us change the way we would cater to the new generation of gays than sticking to the baby-boomers generation of retired and laidback concept. You need to compete with the stright tourist industry and see what they have to offer to those tourist. Walking street buinesses are booming and we are dooming. We dont want to change. A change is needed.

Your observation of Thailand as a gay destination for the future is spot on.

My only question is that your post is now, September is the end of the high season?

[colmx]

In terms of entertainment the bars have nothing to offer much. Once they pick up the guys they have nowhere to go except to Dave or NAB that too they have to wait till mid-night.

Hi SlaveDriver
Thankd for the report!

For you next visit - Hollywood and TumNanChon tend to get good crowds earlier in the evening...

And both can be very gay at times (although Hollywood does tend to draw an arab crowd - that me not always be friendly)

Neither are the kind of places to bring a date though - so make sure you bring a gang with your new friend!

LMTU, mothersruin, by yet another handle. Supprised you lot didn't spot it.

LMTU, mothersruin, by yet another handle. Supprised you lot didn't spot it.


Yes you would say that wouldnтАЩt you, but the insult is not your trying make out its me, itтАЩs you pretending I write a bundle of hotch potch like that, I have no idea when this person was visiting these establishments if he did at all, but I only deal in today not months ago, I was in fact visiting all the places mentioned only last week, and if you was to believe what you just read, you would be very disappointed.

DavidтАЩs Bar full of lame lady femme voiced Boys, not one man boy to be seen, so if you like them your be so happy, Vassar bar the same, even though for some time now if you found 5 boys in there you would be lucky and the standard there well no customers always tells the answer, Funny Boys why would you spend most of your trip there, even though it is a nice Bar and I think the atmosphere is one of the best around and it does have a few nice boys from time to time, COPA over the road has a much better variety, even TOYBOYS is nice and well laid out and can have the odd diamond if you Pop in periodically, why not go to ABOMB they have something there for most taste it always got customers, or all the good work they are doing at HAPPYPLACE who are working so hard to cater for everyone, even XBOYS has some nice guys from time to time if you donтАЩt look around show time.

Yes as for the fact stated the end is about to happen, well progress will slowly change how the gay areas are laid out and the law of the jungle will dictate what Bars stay around and what will close, but pattaya will always have a Gay Life and Clubs like most Big Cities it will just go more up market.

I donтАЩt know what Gay Hotel you stayed at but considering AMBIENCE has only just change managements, it cant be that one and CAF├Й ROYAL always had the same and COPA HOTEL UPSTAIRS has been also the same for a few years, ???

You say one minute the Bars are better in Pattaya and the Boys are better in Pattaya, but then the Bars in Bangkok are packed and the boys not so good, well I donтАЩt know when you last went to Bangkok, I live there and visit them often, the boys in Bangkok do change almost daily and if you canтАЩt find a guy you like there you must be blind or looking for the impossible. Why would the Guys from Bangkok want to come to pattaya, if there is much more customers in Bangkok you seem to be disputing your own argument all the time. All the Bars of Thailand rely on all the boys from all the places you mention not just Pattaya.

As for the Wild West Show well if you like half a dozen lady boys prancing around the stage for 4o minutes yes visit and yes get out quick after, as your be very disappointed with what is on offer after. If you want to see a show that has everything go to COPA/BOYZBOYZBOZ or The VENUE where they have some of the best Costumes and show around.

We have had many try pub style BOYZ BOYZ BOYZ discos, but now itтАЩs the young who dictate and they donтАЩt want to be tarnished with being in a Gay area, they want to go to places like NAB, THE CLUB and THE NEW IDOL opening on the 1st of November where every one is what ever they want to be, as THE OLD HOLLYWOOD was, even though the NEW HOLLYWOOD is a NO NO Now the ARAB have taken it over and its full of Testosterone.

Customers only go to a Bar or Go Go if they see handsome Boys they like as your find in NICEBOYS, COPA/ABOMB/HAPPYPLACE/XBOYS for the Farm Boy types try the sleezy but hands on fun of GOODBOYS , if you, cant give the customers what they crave for, yes of course they will go else where but a lot of the reason is the down turn in the financial markets, many potential Gay Customers are now visiting nearer home, especially if they read on web sites like this you can only find ugly lady boys in the Bars here, the needs opf gay are much more different to the needs of str8s

[SlaveDriver]

Thanks everyone for the constructive contributions.

Wait for my next presentation on my "Business Plan". How to attract and cater to the "Y" generation of gay tourist while still maintaing the retired/retiring "Baby-Boombers" "Founding Fathers" business/entertainment approach.

Stay tuned. We all can come together to work something out to keep the market cycle going.

Cheers :notworthy:

[Beachlover]

LMTU, mothersruin, by yet another handle. Supprised you lot didn't spot it.
Nah... No reason to believe the OP is LMTU/Mothersruin. He writes coherently and without stupid exaggeration and hyperbole.



LMTU, mothersruin, by yet another handle. Supprised you lot didn't spot it.
Yes you would say that wouldnтАЩt you, but the insult is not your trying make out its me, itтАЩs you pretending I write a bundle of hotch potch like that
Actually it was a compliment to assert the OP was you. What the OP wrote was fairly sensible and reflects what most other intelligent members have said.


I only deal in today not months ago
No, you mostly deal in shovels of miss-leading, inaccurate, exaggerated, stupid hyper-bole filled slop. Your accounts are usually the complete opposite to what just about everyone else on this board reports. Everything from blurting out false claims (e.g. price this board was bought for and price for Corner Bar) to blatant factual errors such as claiming The Venue has an Olympic sized pool to absurd comparisons such as saying the 1-star dump, BBBInn is as good as the 5-star Dusit Thani. Not even your buddy, Undaunted agrees with your observations of Pattaya.

Having said that, I agree the commercial sex gay scene in Pattaya needs to be kept separate from the normal mainstream nightlife if the latter is to have any attraction. Keep it separate and build it up and it might develop a less sleazy image and attract more of a young non-sex tourist crowd.

LMTU, mothersruin, by yet another handle. Supprised you lot didn't spot it.
Nah... No reason to believe the OP is LMTU/Mothersruin. He writes coherently and without stupid exaggeration and hyperbole.
Having said that, I agree the commercial sex gay scene in Pattaya needs to be kept separate from the normal mainstream nightlife if the latter is to have any attraction. Keep it separate and build it up and it might develop a less sleazy image and attract more of a young non-sex tourist crowd.

IтАЩm trying not to concentrate of your Insults, with you thinking some guys are Impressed by you trying to make a name for your self that way, but as I and most guys say, because the content of your post have such low Intelligence and of not much interest to many, we both have some thing to contribute and would it not be nice to concentrate on the positive things you do, like punishing a baby and not take to much notice of the negative, to have the spot light on your self.
Also i'll over look the few silly childish remarks you make to put me down in your warped mind, thingking others will say wow he is so soupier, its an old trick but after while donтАЩt work here.

It is going to be a straight Bar where gays feel happy as "Rome Club" was the Number one club in Bangkok, before your time unless your really ancient BL.

Where Thais bring farangs not farangs bring Thais, why on earth do farangs think they can get a Boy and want to take him to another gay establishment, the last place a Go Go boy wants to go is a Gay bar or club when if you did your home work or ask the boy where he wants to go for a night out of fun, certainly not a gay bar, for you to show him off. and most guys just say where did he get that tramp to his pals.

Beachy,

Believe me on this one. After many years there, Pattaya would not be an attraction for many in both straight and gay markets without the sex tourists, as that is what it has catered for all these years.

Agreed, that with the Russians coming now and others that market force may change over a period of time, if it develops. The Russians though seem to be bringing more problems than they are solving, Eastern hookers, Mafia, protection money etc.

However, you have a local government that isn't truthfully interested or maybe not knowledgeable enough of how to change it. They only know what they don't want.

You do have some great developments, restaurants, shopping malls etc so the infrastructure is there. BUT, and it's a big one, you still have the appalling beaches, roads, horrendous flash flooding, high crime rate and rampant corruption to deal with if you are looking at as new developed Pattaya from 2012 onwards.

In my view, it's losing its appeal for the sex tourist, ( more to the point, they are trying to slowly eradicate it ) but there is not enough to pull the regular tourist or attract them there.

I know plenty of Thais who turn their nose up at the thought of Pattaya preferring Hua Hin as a destination amongst others, saying it is full of low class, sex crazed and drunken Foreigners.

I am not saying these things or passing judgements, the Thais themselves are.

I'd like to make an observation concerning kquill's comment, particularly the comment about what he says the Thais' judgement is concerning Pattaya.

I am not sure the last time Kquill was in Pattaya but I believe there have been many changes. Thais have been investing great amounts in Pattaya. New apartments, condos, malls are booming. The old Xyzte has just been demolished and a larger new structure is being built.

The weekend traffic from Bangkok has increased so much, the roads are bumper to bumper.

South Pattaya area condos are being bought by many Thais as 2nd homes.

I never thought I would see this fast of a change in Pattaya.

There has a rumor going on for a few years that seems counter intuitive. Within the next few years casinos will come to Pattaya. I realize that the government just made a big deal about closing some big underground casinos, but possibly after the biggest event in recent Thai history happens, the government may not be as conservative in the area of gambling.

"it's not personnal it's business".....This quote is exactly what is behind a glim future for gay Pattaya. The venues in the gay areas are so insignificant to the total "take" from all Pattaya's sex venues and the bad publicity from the gay bars is constant, at some point the powers that be say is it worth it?

Hi Pattayamale,


I did mention those points you make:

You do have some great developments, restaurants, shopping malls etc so the infrastructure is there. BUT, and it's a big one, you still have the appalling beaches, roads, horrendous flash flooding, high crime rate and rampant corruption to deal with if you are looking at as new developed Pattaya from 2012 onwards.



I was last there middle of 2008. I accept major changes taking place but you can see from videos on here that the flash flooding problems, road closures, terrible walkways and bad beaches continue.

Both Pattaya People and Pattaya Mail as well as others give you updates weekly on what is happening crimewise plus Tam goes there as we have customers renting out properties of ours.

I think I tried to be balanced in the post and not really attack Pattaya, more point out what others say are its failings! I definitely believe that many more Thais,( tourist wise and families) prefer Hua Hin over Pattaya, and the perceived view of many based on probably what they see on TV.

The changes in the bar scene, I accept, I am taking views of others from here, visitors who I see after they have returned to the UK, and overall comments about how bad trade is from friends with businesses there. I was trying to point out the difficulties Pattaya faces in trying to re-brand its image.

Let's face it, a great deal of those who originally made a great deal of money from prostitution in Pattaya and have diversified into ' nice clean business ' such as apartments, rental shop houses, Hotels now try to distance themselves from where their income was derived in the first place....... :sunny:

I did not think kquill was attacking Pattaya, I was just commenting that I believe some Thais may have a better opinion of Pattaya than in the past for the reasons mentioned. I think they understand that sex venues exist as they do in Bangkok, and I am not sure they are that bothered by it as many are invested in it.

Pattaya, out side the entertainment venues have incredible problems as kquill mentioned with infrastructure. Instead of widening roads when they had a chance, they allowed buildings be built right up to the edge of narrow sois. They built many of these buildings without any parking for residents of these new buildings. So they park their cars on the narrow sois which just obstructs traffic.

By doing all the building on what use to be open land that could handle the rain water. No water drainage was installed so the roads now become the sewers sweeping cars and bikes down the streets and allowing water into homes and businesses. The Pattaya governments answer to this is handing out some sand bags. I am not sure we are getting a lot more rain.

[lexusgs]

I'd like to make an observation concerning kquill's comment, particularly the comment about what he says the Thais' judgement is concerning Pattaya.

I am not sure the last time Kquill was in Pattaya but I believe there have been many changes. Thais have been investing great amounts in Pattaya. New apartments, condos, malls are booming. The old Xyzte has just been demolished and a larger new structure is being built.

The weekend traffic from Bangkok has increased so much, the roads are bumper to bumper.

South Pattaya area condos are being bought by many Thais as 2nd homes.

I never thought I would see this fast of a change in Pattaya.

There has a rumor going on for a few years that seems counter intuitive. Within the next few years casinos will come to Pattaya. I realize that the government just made a big deal about closing some big underground casinos, but possibly after the biggest event in recent Thai history happens, the government may not be as conservative in the area of gambling.

The monstrosity of a hotel called Ambassador City that is located at NaJomtien was built with a Casino in mind many years ago hence the layout/location/no of rooms. Approval was removed at the last minute....

[RonanTheBarbarian]

SlaveDriver,enjoyed your report, but one thing you said struck me:

"Kawaii is very popular amonst the Asian customer base as their selection tend to be more on the fem side."

I must say i found this remark a bit strange. It has been my experience that the Asian customer tend to prefer more masculine guys - I have noticed that in Pattaya you see more of them in Boystown than Sunnee, and in Bangkok, you see proportionately more of them in Tawan, Jupiter 2000, and the Soi Twilight bars with more built guys, than in the other bars.

I particularly noticed it last January, when I spent one night in Sunee, where the customers tended towards the Caucasian (and elderly) and then the next night in BKK started out in Jupiter, where the audience was 90% Asian, and with loads of them in their 30's and 40's. It was a bit of a culture shock experience, I can tell you.

Perhaps the Kawaii has other things that draw in the Asian customers, such as a Japanese or Chines speaking mamasan?

[ikarus]

In general the gay industry is dying and cater to the Technology Generation, most of the business will not survive in the next 2-3 years. Let us change the way we would cater to the new generation of gays than sticking to the baby-boomers generation of retired and laidback concept. You need to compete with the stright tourist industry and see what they have to offer to those tourist. Walking street buinesses are booming and we are dooming. We dont want to change. A change is needed.
It is nonsense. If you want change, go and fuck yourself with Obummer..
Generation X,Y,Z need exactly the same thing as generation A,B,C.
Pattaya is unique and forever. It is a unique combination of Thai Sanuk (taken to extreme) and what numerous foreigners who fell in love in Pattaya may try to offer. Only the best can thrive in Pattaya. If you are American and want to bring your business over here, stick to what you do the best: hamburgers and movies. If you want to run a brothel as your favorite thrift shop in Kansas (with coupons and vouchers), just stay where you belong: in Kansas...
The beauty of Pattaya is that you can find the best in the area of catering and entertainment brought over here from all over the world. The trick here is to appreciate the Thai warmth and hospitality and avoid jerks (mostly farangs) who behave as if they are still in Kansas...

[latintopxxx]

There is definitely a generation gap in how the younger guys (under 30) and the older say forties and up access sex and gay life/fun. When i was in my teens social networkung sites be they faceboom or gaydar didn't exist , only way to meet like minded guys was to throw your clothes on anmd leave the house....now its all available over the net....cruise spots that used to be super busy when I was a teen are now largely deserted except for old guys...me being the only exception...naturally...

[fedssocr]

Though it was at the tail end of the high season, the bars were fairly packed not good as the BKK ones, but when it came to the selection of guys it was far better than Soi Twilight in BKK.

I am confused by this statement. Is this report from last winter? It's not high season for at least another month.

[bucknaway]

There is definitely a generation gap in how the younger guys (under 30) and the older say forties and up access sex and gay life/fun. When i was in my teens social networkung sites be they faceboom or gaydar didn't exist , only way to meet like minded guys was to throw your clothes on anmd leave the house....now its all available over the net....cruise spots that used to be super busy when I was a teen are now largely deserted except for old guys...me being the only exception...naturally...

What you say is true. Many guys who have never been to Thailand or Pattaya tend to learn of the place through the internet. Many places of business now live or die by the internet and the younger crowd uses the internet in ways that us older folks refuse to accept as the approaching norm. I will admit that before I come to Thailand I use the internet to learn of the places to be, to plot my stay and to help me decide on which establishments I will visit and which ones I will avoid.

When I am in the heart of the gay area, I tend to visit establishments that I know from my time on the internet. Either I visited their webpage, saw many of their posts or read reviews on them. The ones I don't visit are the establishments that I know nothing about, don't advertise on the internet, are not talked about on message boards, have no reviews to read and while viewing them from the street, don't seem to be any different from the other many, many establishments found along the street.

If I had a bar in Thailand, I would have a very nice website, a facebook page and a Twitter account to be sure that I was going to get the attention of the new visitor and to be there for my established patrons.

[SlaveDriver]

I am very much encouraged by the discussions taking place. It's a welcome move. How do we change the landscape for the A,B.C to Y generatation and cater to the needs of the current trend. True some are willing to change and some are not. It's matterof time before the economic reality that will determine the what direction we all should take to survive in fast changing business/economic enviornment.

The wise will change with the time and the fools will go down with their old beliefs. Time will tell.

Keep it going and let us build a census on how the "Boys Town" change to become "Guys Town" or "Fun Town" or "Entertainment Town" or whatever suits the growing demographics that would infulence the changed business direction or the old die hards will die penny less with their hard earned dollars or euros.

let us keep the discussion constructive and let us together develop a "New Business Model"

Cheers :sign5:

[Dodger]

SlaveDriver wrote:


How do we change the landscape for the A,B.C to Y generatation and cater to the needs of the current trend.

I'm not sure if we can really change the landscape - because life moves forward not backwards, and technological advancements will always be driven by the younger generation providing the older generation with the option of either learning and applying the new technology - or not.

In the course of my work I have the opportunity to visit company's who development new technologies and after the initial hand shakes with the grey-haired executives I go on to meet the people who actually invent and develop these technologies and they are inevitably young people with their shirts hanging out of their pants - wearing crooked glasses with hair styles making them appear as if they were baby chickens popping their heads out of the shells.

Expansion of the internet (and it's capabilities) is changing the demographics of the entire planet including Thai working boys who are evolving to become entreprenuers via clicking their fingers on a keyboard versus standing naked on a stage to sell their services - to the "Arab Spring" which spawned from the internet as the younger mid-eastern generation entered hyberspace.

Regardless of a persons age, if they are not retired yet they have little choice but to keep up with these advancements, as cell phones, PC's, internet accounts, etc., have become necessities. As far as the retired generation, I really don't think it matters so much. Does a retired person really need the latest version GPS System to find his way to the local market? Probably not, but if he does he can just ask a younger person to show him the ropes.

[Beachlover]

why on earth do farangs think they can get a Boy and want to take him to another gay establishment, the last place a Go Go boy wants to go is a Gay bar or club
Firstly, because in this instance youтАЩre talking about picking a prostitute/gogo boy off the stage, not a genuine hook up. Secondly, youтАЩre referring to farangs taking that gogo boy to another gogo bar, not normal gay/mixed bars and nightclub like DJ, GOD or NAB.

[Beachlover]

In my view, it's losing its appeal for the sex tourist, ( more to the point, they are trying to slowly eradicate it ) but there is not enough to pull the regular tourist or attract them there.
Kquill... I think your view on Pattaya is well balanced. It's got major weaknesses with shithouse infrastructure, crime and undesirable foreigners etc. and I agree binning the commercial sex industry is wrong and might irrecoverably kill the city.

But I also believe a slow and gradual тАЬevolutionтАЭ of Shitsville into something more appealing for regular tourists is possible if you give it more time. WonтАЩt happen in 2012 but itтАЩs looking more and more likely to succeed and I think in 5-10 years Pattaya may be more appealing to non sex tourists.

It needs MORE normal bars and clubs, nice shopping centres, amenities and luxury resorts. This stuff takes years to develop. If they can partition the commercial sex scene from the normal stuff, itтАЩll speed things up by keeping the sex tourist wallets happy while growing its appeal to the regular tourists.


believe there have been many changes. Thais have been investing great amounts in Pattaya. New apartments, condos, malls are booming.
Pattaya Male... I agree that a vast change is happening, which may succeed in shifting its reputation. But what Thais invest in and what they think of the place personally are two different things. Most middle-class Thais still see it as a disgusting, sleazy place and it is.
The growing presence of regular people and classier amenities might give those sexpats who lack all self awareness and social normality a prick of reality. :occasion9:


There is definitely a generation gap in how the younger guys (under 30) and the older say forties and up access sex and gay life/fun. When i was in my teens social networkung sites be they faceboom or gaydar didn't exist , only way to meet like minded guys was to throw your clothes on anmd leave the house....now its all available over the net....cruise spots that used to be super busy when I was a teen are now largely deserted except for old guys...me being the only exception...naturally...
I know a guy at one of my local gay nightclubs who goes there every weekend and just sits in the corner by himself trawling through Grindr on his phone while everyone's dancing around him...

The online/mobile thing is unbelievably convenient but given the opportunity, I still prefer meeting people more naturally. You know... catch their eye, flirt a little, buy them a drink, chat them up etc. There's something exciting and satisfying about that process.

[SlaveDriver]

I am encouraged to note the topic is taking a trun to discuss viable ways to change the sleezy reputation and stigma "Boys Town" creates and markets' the Soi as "Sex town".

How can we change and promote collectively a business model that while keeping the focus on guys soliciting on stage, but with the mix of fun, entertainment and an engaging evening for the tourist and as well the expatriate population?

How do we change the outlook of the Bars, change should be a complete ....... with even the names changed. Take of the "Boys" term ........ think of something different .... which does not sound sleezy.

Lets us take the discussion on the lines of building a new business model in keeping with the time and generational change.

Cheers :headbang:

[Beachlover]

SlaveDriver... You are not going to remove the "sleaze" factor from Boyztown. You might achieve varying levels of sleaziness (e.g. Sunee Plaza is sleazier than Boyztown) but you are not going to remove the sleaze factor from a place that sells sex altogether.

Not sure what you're thinking with the generational thing. There's little to no market in prostitution for the younger generation. No one or almost no one picks up prostitutes over genuine hook ups. That's all I can say...

You should note that they will never change the name Boyztown.
The deal was struck 20 odd years ago that if they sold a beer exclusively, that that beer company would buy the signs for them.
They never bought them or paid for them and I am quite sure that they would not be willing to change them as that money would have to come from the Soi 3 business owners.
Who knows though, miracles happen. :dontknow:

You should note that they will never change the name Boyztown.
The deal was struck 20 odd years ago that if they sold a beer exclusively, that that beer company would buy the signs for them.
They never bought them or paid for them and I am quite sure that they would not be willing to change them as that money would have to come from the Soi 3 business owners.
Who knows though, miracles happen. :dontknow:


Hi justme,

Almost correct.

The sign nearest to your bar justme was bought by us and had nothing at all to do with the beer company.

The one central in the BT Soi was the beer company to my knowledge but all the repairs and refurbishments long ago became us. I think we actually completely replaced it a long time ago.

You should note that they will never change the name Boyztown.
The deal was struck 20 odd years ago that if they sold a beer exclusively, that that beer company would buy the signs for them.
They never bought them or paid for them and I am quite sure that they would not be willing to change them as that money would have to come from the Soi 3 business owners.
Who knows though, miracles happen. :dontknow:

But surely, after 20yrs, that deal has run out?

So if a name change was wanted and the Soi3 cartel didn't want to pay for new signage - it would be a simple matter of negotiating a new deal along the lines of the original one?

I hope jinks and/or the SGT mystery owner finds my contribution acceptable - it's hard to know what one can or cannot say on SGT these days - maybe the word "cartel" is banned as is any criticism of the moderation "policy".


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You should note that they will never change the name Boyztown.
The deal was struck 20 odd years ago that if they sold a beer exclusively, that that beer company would buy the signs for them.
They never bought them or paid for them and I am quite sure that they would not be willing to change them as that money would have to come from the Soi 3 business owners.
Who knows though, miracles happen. :dontknow:

But surely, after 20yrs, that deal has run out?

So if a name change was wanted and the Soi3 cartel didn't want to pay for new signage - it would be a simple matter of negotiating a new deal along the lines of the original one?

I hope jinks and/or the SGT mystery owner finds my contribution acceptable - it's hard to know what one can or cannot say on SGT these days - maybe the word "cartel" is banned as is any criticism of the moderation "policy".


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Scotty,

It's well and truly expired!.................a bit like many in BT.

Yes that sign was paid for by the Singha Beer Group ( Boon Rawd Brewery ) late 1980. There were only a few bars in the Soi then and, from what I can remember, not everyone agreed to only being able to sell certain drinks. It went ahead, and then all one could get was beer brewed or distributed by The Singha Group, so those that liked other beers such as Klosters were unlucky as it/they were no longer available in that Soi....

[SlaveDriver]

Good turn in the discussions. Most of us agree a change in the name is necessary, but assume that we may be constarined by a beer company claiming the rights to that name.

While we can deal with that legally .... can we come up with an ideal name to replace the "Boys Town". Let us try to bulld a census on this first as we move forward towards change.

Let us start throwing out suggestions and I am sure finally we all can agree on an appropriate name keeping with the changing business enviornment and demographics.

Let us give it ago now :boxing:

Good turn in the discussions. Most of us agree a change in the name is necessary, but assume that we may be constarined by a beer company claiming the rights to that name.

While we can deal with that legally .... can we come up with an ideal name to replace the "Boys Town". Let us try to bulld a census on this first as we move forward towards change.

Let us start throwing out suggestions and I am sure finally we all can agree on an appropriate name keeping with the changing business enviornment and demographics.

Let us give it ago now :boxing:


Hi,

Methinks you are wasting your name. As an ex owner I think you have more chance of platting fog than getting the guys in Pattayaland Soi 3 to agree to a name change.

I also don't believe they will accept a name change will benefit or have any sort of bearing with the current climate of Boyz Town's downturn in tourism nor would it make any difference in bringing tourists back.

I believe they will feel it is due to the Global downturn and not anything they have been doing particularly wrong.

Singha had nothing to do with the name ' Boyztown ' that name was chosen by the owners of the various premises in the Soi, they purely erected the central signage as you enter the Soi from second Road, hung their beer logo on it ( which they wouldn't be able to do now) with an agreement from the bars to sell Singha as the ' preferred ' beer of choice and the bars had their own signs made and each bar contributed, per size of bar and sign, for the upkeep,maintenance and shared electric bill.

The Boyztown sign as you entered from Pattayaland Soi 2 was made by our contractors and erected by us at that time.

I remember it going up!

[Marsilius]

You should note that they will never change the name Boyztown.... Who knows though, miracles happen. :dontknow:

As do fires...

I am curious, who is Slave driver? A current bar owner on Soi 3?
If he is not, well I don't understand his suggestion that we come up with a new name and make a plan for anything.
Soi 3 is a private soi and well not to sound too harsh but we don't have a chance in hell to advise or tell them to do anything.
Less you know something we don't. (?) :dontknow:

I am curious, who is Slave driver? A current bar owner on Soi 3?

Judging by the content of Slave Driver's post and if Just Me's suggestion is accurate, the finger must point at an owner on Soi 3 who has English as his second or third language.

This rules out the usual suspects.

:rolling:

I misread KQuills post. He was referring to himself when he said as an ex bar owner.
Well that still puts me on the thought as to "who" slavedriver is as he suggests that people on this board should start throwing out suggestions so that "we" can decide on a name and these other things he is talking about.
I mean by the wqay slavedriver speaks, he must be a business owner on soi 3 and speaks English well or is he someone who thinks that "we" have a say in any of this? :dontknow:

I misread KQuills post. He was referring to himself when he said as an ex bar owner.
Well that still puts me on the thought as to "who" slavedriver is as he suggests that people on this board should start throwing out suggestions so that "we" can decide on a name and these other things he is talking about.
I mean by the wqay slavedriver speaks, he must be a business owner on soi 3 and speaks English well or is he someone who thinks that "we" have a say in any of this? :dontknow:

Why would a business/bar owner be asking questions like that in an open forum, I would have thought if he was legit then he would approach you personally as you don't hide your identity?
Just a thought....

[Beachlover]

How about BBQ Alley? :rolling:


Well that still puts me on the thought as to "who" slavedriver is as he suggests that people on this board should start throwing out suggestions so that "we" can decide on a name and these other things he is talking about.
I mean by the wqay slavedriver speaks, he must be a business owner on soi 3 and speaks English well or is he someone who thinks that "we" have a say in any of this? :dontknow:
I don't know but I think he's just some random guy trying to kick up some discussion. Nothing serious.

[corky]

.... can we come up with an ideal name to replace the "Boys Town".

Arse Alley
Bumboy Boulevard
Condom Corner
Dek Street
Ejaculation Row
FaggotтАЩs Way
Gay Way
Hustler Hustings
Importuners Path
JohnтАЩs Street
KingтАЩs Road
Lady Boy Lane
Masturbation Station
Nob Road
Orifice Way
Penis Plaza
Queer Street
RimmerтАЩs Road
Salami Street
Tool Track
Underwear Alley
Vibrator Valley
Whore Street
X-Rated Row
Youth Lane
Zipper Zone

:dontknow:

[SlaveDriver]

I am sure you will discover me when the time comes. Whether English is my second, third or fouth language is not the issue. For that matter English is so basterdized now adays it's nobody's language except for the queen with the German background claims the rights.

Thats beside the point. Let us get on track. Should we change or still keep the baby boomers business attitute and lose all our life savings or make the change with the time and generational needs.

Do we still want to waste the real estate space that we pay for monthly, empty and lack of customers?

Do we want to make a buck for every square foot we pay for a return on investment or have few reired old Jonny sititing there and sipping a glass of beer whole night and pay you just that 130 Bhatt and walk away.

Let us get smart and become smart businessmen. That requires change. The change need to start with the name.

So let us work on the name now

[bucknaway]

I don't that that anyone has to worry. Over time, if the bars do not change and adapt, other bars will open by those who desire a place that speaks to them. Maybe Boyztown will become a white elephant in the gay community.

Nothing lasts forever.

Hell, 10 years from now we will be using our phones to pay the bars, learn about a gogo dancer, find the gay beach chairs, know who is top, bottom, gay, bi, straight and on and on and on... There is no telling how this is going to change how the gay community interacts.

Hell... Technology is almost to the point that it will tell us who may be the best match for us in love or a one night stand.

We can fight it, just like the old folks at my job that still refuse to own a home PC or a cell phone. They may not adapt but the world will keep moving forward and they will be left further and further behind with each days passing.

[Marsilius]

Just because the means and methods used in the process of hooking up with a guy change inevitably over time, it does not mean that the motivation changes too.

Pattaya has carved out a niche for itself that makes it unique. Would gay tourists really go there if it were like all other gay resorts, catering to younger gay guys who are looking for free sex? If you were to lose the current and obvious unique selling proposition, I cannot see that Pattaya, given its myriad long lasting and long term problems and comparative physical and environmental unattractiveness, has very much going for it at all.

Even the current generation of young guys will age and, when they do, some will consider that their sexual needs will best be met by paying money. There will always be a market for what Pattaya currently offers so efficiently and, were it to attempt to offer a different product, it would easily be sunk by its already well established, far better organised and more attractive rivals.

[Beachlover]

Being honest, I suspect SlaveDriver is actually BadBoyBilly... No harm done though.



.... can we come up with an ideal name to replace the "Boys Town".
Arse Alley
Bumboy Boulevard
Condom Corner
Dek Street
Ejaculation Row
FaggotтАЩs Way
Gay Way
Hustler Hustings
Importuners Path
JohnтАЩs Street
KingтАЩs Road
Lady Boy Lane
Masturbation Station
Nob Road
Orifice Way
Penis Plaza
Queer Street
RimmerтАЩs Road
Salami Street
Tool Track
Underwear Alley
Vibrator Valley
Whore Street
X-Rated Row
All much too flattering. :rolling: