Expenses holiday 28.07.2011-15.08.2011 Bangkok Pattaya Chian

[christianpfc]

Expenses holiday 28.07.2011-15.08.2011 Bangkok Pattaya Chiang Mai

Here my complete expenses for the most recent holiday in Thailand. All numbers are Thai Baht. Writing down expenses serves many purposes: I know where my money went and I can reconstruct most of my holiday from this data. I have papers of A4 format folded twice so they fit into my pocket. Of course, you have to know where to start writing so after unfolding itтАЩs well arranged (when I started, I had text upside down after unfolding). Compared to a notebook this has the advantage that you donтАЩt have to flip pages, itтАЩs easier to copy or to scan and I can lay it out so I can everything at one glance. Here is one example of one of these sheets:

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j412/christianpfc/various%20stuff/expensesholiday.jpg

As no times are on the sheets, here some general information: getting up usually between 10am and 2pm, going to bed usually between midnight and 4am. Meals are spread over the whole day, I eat whenever I am hungry, usually street food when IтАЩm alone ore in restaurants when IтАЩm with friends. For the overnight trips by train to Chiang Mai and back to Bangkok, I checked out of the hotel at noon, left my luggage at the reception and pickt it up at night, so I economized two nights. However, activities during that day are limited as there is no chance to shower and change clothes before boarding the train.

And here date for the holiday in slightly edited form (costs for hotel spread evenly over the days even if paid all in advance or on checking out, name and numbers of boys removed, explanations where necessary):

28.07.2011 Thursday arrive in Bangkok 18:05 total 3662 THB
-25-45 expressway toll (first toll 25, second 45)
-250 taxi -> Silom Soi 22/1
-962 Sapphirtel Inn
-50 top up mobile phone
-60 food
-250-20 drink X-Size (250 price of drink, 20 tip)
-500 off fee (name, number)
-1500 tip short time (name)

29.07.2011 Friday Bangkok total 3501 THB
-962 Sapphirtel Inn
-30 food
-12-6.5 bus -> Hua Lampong Railway station
(-531 ticket ->Chiang Mai not in total)
-5 postcard тАУ3 stamp
-12 bus ->MBK
-200 mobile top up Siam Paragon
-20 BTS ->Sala Daeng
-75 dictionary Thai-English
-20 internet 30min Silom Complex
-40 food
-40 1kg mangosteen
-61 one mango 0.5kg
-24 bus (2) (2) means that that itтАЩs for two people тАУ a Thai friend and I
-90 food (2)
-90-100-10 drinks Telephone bar (2)
-350 dictionary Thai German English with pictures
-50 tip (name)
-200 drink Nightboys (Silom Soi 6)
-100 тАУ1000 tip (name) boy from Nightboys

30.07.2011 Saturday Bangkok total 5580 THB
-962 Sapphirtel Inn
-120 haircut
-10 pineapple тАУ20 chicken
-16 internet
-1000 tip (name, no sex)
-100 taxi -> Marble Temple
-35 icecream
-100 tip (name)
-40 pomelo
-20 fried banana
-250 Chakran Sauna
-6,5 bus
-100 drink тАУ100 boy Super A (Silom Soi 6)
-500 тАУ1000 Thai Boy Massage (name, home town) (Silom Soi 6)
-1000 tip (name, no sex)
-200 DJ station

31.07.2011 Sunday Bangkok total 3310 THB
-962 Sapphirtel Inn
-320 food (2)
-45-20-30-250 taxi ->Erawan Museum
-300-150 entry (Farang 300 Thai 150)
-45-230 taxi
-20 orange juice
-60 tuk tuk Saphan Taksin ->Silom 22/1
-140 dinner (2)
-60 taxi -> Siam Paragon
-520 movie Captain America (2)
-60 taxi -> Silom 22/1
-98 food (2)

01.08.2011 Monday Bangkok check out Sapphirtel Inn, check in Sunflower Place Silom Soi 6 total 3530 THB
-375 food (2)
-95 laundry
-1000 tip (name, no sex)
-95 food (2)
-300 late check out (~8pm) Sapphirtel Inn
-95 minibar (3*fanta/sprite)
(+531 refund train ticket to Chiang Mai (the train was scheduled at 10pm, I arrive at the train station around 9pm with a friend to find out that all trains to the north of Thailand have been cancelled due to heavy flooding in the north, quick change of plans: stay this night in Bangkok and go to Pattaya tomorrow.) not in total)
-80 taxi -> Sunflower Place Silom Soi 6
-960 room
(тАУ200 key deposit not in total)
-130 taxi -> ICK Ramkhamhaeng
-150 coke + beer at ICK
1:20-1:33 coyote at ICK (~1:45 coyote at SeeK dance) (the coyote dancing is the reason why I go there, therefor I note the times so I know for my next holiday what time to go there)
-50 taxi -> Meeting Karaoke (too early, itтАЩs empty)
-200 taxi -> Silom Soi 6 (and to take my friend home after I exit)

02.08.2011 Tuesday Bangkok -> Pattaya total 1926 THB
(+200 key deposit not in total)
-90 taxi -> Ekkamai
-113 bus -> Pattaya
-15 cookies
-40 -> Howards Guesthouse
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-10 -> Jomtien
-100 tip (name)
-30 coconut at the beach
-10 -> Sunee
-30 mango
-68 fruits
-50 food
-50 тАУ10 drink Eden bar
-50 тАУ10 drink Corner bar
-110 тАУ10 drink Krazy Dragon
-130 тАУ10 drink Dream boys
-150 тАУ10 drink Funny boys
-100 тАУ10 drink Vassa bar
-10 -> Dave Man Club
-200 beer
-10 -> Howards

03.08.2011 Wednesday Pattaya total 1999 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-140 food MontyтАЩs
-120 laundry
-21 internet 1h (time rounded up, I go to Ben Mansion internet wich is 20 Baht/h and they calculate the price to the Baht)
-10-10 -> Big C South Pattaya
-88 book Aesops fables Thai/English
-40 -> Howards (2) (driver has no change)
-50 mobile phone top up
-20 ->boyztown (2)
-145-15 food (2)
-160 cinema (2) Harry Potter
-325 book Thai for gay tourists
-325 coffeeworld (2) (before watching the movie)
-30 drink in cinema

04.08.2011 Thursday Pattaya total 3332 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-90 food (2)
-500 tip (name)
-200 underwear Tuk-com
-55 fruits
-22 internet 1h
-20 food
-130-20 drink тАУ100 boy Wan Bar
-80-20 drink Happy Boy/Bar
-130-10 drink Nice boys
-150-10 drink G-U-Y Walking Street
-130-150-300-20 drinks (2), off fee Lucky Seven
-45 food (2)
-500 tip
-40-10 drink тАУ100 boy New Queens

05.08.2011 Friday Pattaya total 4119 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-130 food (2) Tuk-Com
-1500 tip long time (name)
-130 laundry
-20-20 baht-bus (2)
-500-250 Underwater World
walk back ~1h
-89-45-35 fruit
-535-25 food (2) Cucumber (opposite Tuk-Com)
-240 cinema (2) Rise of the Planet of the Apes
-60 drinks (2)
-35-5 drink CU bar

06.08.2011 Saturday Pattaya total 2385 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-10 -> Jomtien
-30 food
-30 chair beach
-30 coconut
-180 Sansuk Sauna
-70 drink
-10 -> Pattaya
-20 mango
-15 food
-120 drink тАУ100 boy (number) Jet Set Karaoke
-150 drink X-Boys
-120 drink David
-1000 tip (name)

07.08.2011 Sunday Pattaya total 945 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-42 internet 2h тАУ14 internet 1h
-29 cakes
-20 fruit
-30 pancake
-80-20 drink Eros
-55-5 drink Corner Bar
-120 drink Mic My Boy
-30 street food

08.08.2011 Monday Pattaya total 2902 THB
-500 room Howards Guesthouse
-20 fried banana
-20-50 -> Mini Siam (2)
-300-120 entry (2)
-25 drink
-20-20 -> Sunee
-90 laundry
-40 phone call from reception to Hua Lampong (to make sure there are trains to Chiang Mai)
-17 internet 1h
-200 Corner Bar (Birthday Party / Take Care)
-20 mango
-160-10 drink тАУ100 boy (number) Copa
-20 crepe
-130 тАУ10 drink Kawaii
-200 drink Cartier Boys
-200 NAB
-20 -> Howards (2)
-40 -> street restaurant motorbike (2)
-70 food (2)
-500 tip

09.08.2011 Tuesday Pattaya -> Bangkok -> Chiang Mai total 3016 THB
-20-10 -> North Pattaya Bus Station
-113 bus to Ekkamai
-8 bus to Hua Lampong (15:30 тАУ 17:50)
-431 ticket to Chiang Mai (2nd class seat fan, no sleeper left)
-70 luggage storage
-450 book тАЬThe disappearing SpoonтАЭ
-10 watermelon
-48 cake
-18 MRT -> Silom
-550 тАУ1100 Semra Massage
-30 internet 15min
-40 food fried shrimp
-100 underwear
-18 MRT -> Hua Lampong

10.08.2011 Wednesday Chiang Mai total 1305 THB
(-611 ticket to Bangkok (2nd class seat aircon, no sleeper left) not in total, but bought this day)
-150 -> SoHo Bar and Guesthouse
-600 room
-10 street food
-10 watermelon
-25 pancake
-10 internet 15min
(-> New My Way invitation by Farang friend)
-500 (5 boys 100 each) tip New My Way
rain all night

11.08.2011 Thursday Chiang Mai total 2455 THB
-600 room
-60 food
-30 entry Doi Suthep
-40 fruit
-1000 tip (no sex)
-130 Sauna House of Male
-25 Pad Thai
-200-20 drink AdamтАЩs apple
-50 drink Secrets bar
-300 entry Mandalay disco (for Farang, includes one drink; for Thai free entry)

12.08.2011 Friday Chiang Mai total 1075 THb
-600 room
-30 internet 1.5h
-50 sushi
-10 coconut water
-60 -> Club One Seven Sauna
-240 entry Sauna
-15 pancake night market
-40 watermelon fruit shake
-30 motorbike -> SoHo guesthouse

13.08.2011 Saturday Chiang Mai -> Bangkok total 1409 THb
-30 laundry
-70 tip
-29-29 books (about English language for Thai people)
-164-16 Pizza Hut
-300 Museum of World Insects
-55 cake
-25 drink
-80 -> railway station
-611 ticket to Bangkok (2nd class seat aircon, no sleeper left)

14.08.2011 Sunday Bangkok total 3901 THB
9:40 arrive at Hua Lampong
-70 taxi -> Diamond Residence (beween Silom Soi 11 and 13)
-1000 room one night (special price via friend who worked there)
-10 pineapple
-271 chicken cashew (overpriced!)
-110-45 taxi -> Rotfai garden (north of Chatuchak Park)
-270-10 food (2)
-100-45 taxi -> Surawong
-1200 tip (name)
-50 taxi -> Sathorn Pier
-580-40 dinner (2) seefood at Yok Yor Restaurant (this is good value for money!)
-100 roasted chestnut 0.5kg

15.08.2011 Bangkok -> Paris total 320 THB
-250-45-25 taxi -> airport
plane takes off at 8:35am

A total of 50672 THB spent on 18 nights and 17 full days which is 2815 THB per night.
This is less than usual (~4000 THB per night), due to rain and lack of boys who are my type or failure to hold those who are my type for activities on the following day.

Getting to Thailand was 942 EUR for return flight plus twice 12 EUR public transport to and from airport is 966 EUR which is about 40600 THB.

Detailed reports about how I spend the days and nights and which places I visited will appear soon.

I rest my case

Detailed reports about how I spend the days and nights and which places I visited will appear soon

You have got to be kidding - please?
Spare us ... and the bandwidth

[bao-bao]

It gives new meaning to the word "excessive", but what do you want to bet before high season gets going that someone's going to ask "So, how much should I budget for my trip there?"... and now there's a post to point them towards!

[Nabaat]

"Hi Bill....Yes I had a great holiday.
I started at day one recording all of my expenses, then scanned them and posted them to a group of guys I hardly know......Bill was that you snoring?"



Sad, so sad.

[bucknaway]

This is one thing I love about the internet. You can find almost anything you want to know. I am sure your post will be a great help to someone that is concerned over the possible cost of their holiday in Thailand.
:notworthy:

Wow thanks for sharing your break down of accounts, thatтАЩs amazing christianpf, something many guys donтАЩt know, is your a Scientist and this meticulous detail is in built in your training and the way you run your life, how interesting to see what you have spent and it gives the readers who want to come to Thailand a good idea of the minimum basic amount you need to spend here.
I wish I had the patientsтАЩ to write down all the money I have spent in Thailand over the years, IтАЩm sure it would go into millions of pounds not baht.....I was sitting on a plane once coming home from a trip form Brazil when the man and lady had a big fight as he was trying tot up exactly what he and his girlfriend had spent, she thought it was a very mean way of enjoying there vacation, he went mad because she forget to tell him she had bought a Hand Bag she was carrying, he had not seen before, so may be I can see how some guys could be put off by the attention to detail.

Its the small things that add up, as we can see, but I notice you never skimped on things and was quite prepared to pay the going rate off in Bangkok of 1500 baht, something that would horrify most guys who live in Pattaya, if they can get away with 500 baht they think that is to much in some cases, I know many guys who will go up to 700 baht, but who always have change, I have only ever paid 1000 baht as I cant be bothered to get change, although I did pay a boy 500 baht once who decided he was not up for having sex with a guy, it was his first time and he had a cock like a horse, it was such a wind up, as he was so good looking, in the end he would not even let me touch his mammoth portion, I went back to the TOYBOYs bar I met him and No they would not give me back my off fee, he left after that.

Thank you once again, looking forward to seeing the rest of your stories and all the tales you came across, with pictures your so good at after your vacations.

[UncleTom]

"The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal, is used conversationally to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive

[Thai Dyed]

"The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal, is used conversationally to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person."


Uncle Tom, you are FULL OF SHIT, and that is by far a worse condition... incurable in most severe cases such as yours. You can kiss my asshole, which is hardly retentive, and which is the only known remedy to cure your condition.

This report is invaluable to anyone coming to Thailand for the first time, or even for one who has been, but not for a while. I just sent this to a friend who will be visiting in a few weeks, and he was simply amazed at how many questions this answered for him.
Thank you, christianpfc for taking the time to share this with us. I look forward to more reports from you on future visits.

Can I suggest that christianpfc posts the remainder of his epistles to Thai Dyed and Mothersruin, privately. They are obviously birds of a feather and may well masturbate to orgasm over how much Christianpfc paid for a cake from Family Mart at 00.23am on 29.07.2011.

Those SGT members who retain some degree of sanity will see this contribution from christianpfc for what is it - not an "invaluable resource" but rather "the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind".

:occasion9:

[Rene]

Can I suggest that christianpfc posts the remainder of his epistles to Thai Dyed and Mothersruin, privately. They are obviously birds of a feather and may well masturbate to orgasm over how much Christianpfc paid for a cake from Family Mart at 00.23am on 29.07.2011.



Once again scottish-guy you are revealing your delusions of grandeur if you feel you can tell others what and how they may post in a public forum. Were you the owner of SGT, or a moderator, it might be a different story. In your case, it is a symptom of your detachment from reality.

Zut alors!

Once again Rene you are revealing your ignorance.
Do you what the word "suggest" means?
If I am "suggesting" I am not dictating, insisting, or in any way prescribing what others ought to do..

Were you an imbecile there might be an excuse. In your case, I fear it is a symptom of poor education.

:occasion9:

[francois]

Although I don't record my daily expenses to the extent of Christian, this time I am keeping a daily record but usually write it the "day after". This record does help me to budget more precisely for my next visit and I see that many of the small expenditures do add up at the end of the day. Average expenditure is about 2500 TB/day not including lodging. Dining with the bf at restaurants is a significant item as is drinks at clubs and bars.

Oh come on, that's amateur stuff compared to Christian - and don't forget he has promised pages and pages more, to delight us.

Now that he has told us what he ate every day, perhaps the next step will be to post details of the weight of each subsequent day's bowel movement.

I guess I'd better apologise in advance to Thai Dyed, Mothersruin, and Rene - all of whom find Christian's daily itemised expenditure to be fascinating reading.

:rolling:

[Thai Dyed]

Rene is absolutely correct. Your "suggestion" scottish-guy was in fact an insinuation. Furthermore, you were projecting your own madness when you made the following claim: "Those SGT members who retain some degree of sanity will see this contribution from christianpfc for what is it - not an "invaluable resource" but rather "the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind." This statement directly followed your "suggestion" which makes your intent clear.

You are as mad as a March Hare, scottish-guy, and you project your lunatic state of mind on to others. It is your stock in trade.

[MARK]

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

I am sorry is it April 1st or I have missed something is there a mediacl term for this if its not a joke and if its not a joke please will you send me a brake down of what it cost to live in the UK for 7 days i really would like to know suggest you PM me as not to bore every one to death.

Mark

[Nabaat]

Look you sick old faghags....you've spent 48 weeks in the back of beyond...taxed to the hilt etc and now when you get a small winodw of a warm glow.....fucking hell words escape me.

Wow have you ever thought many guys thinking of coming to Thailand on a budget would like to know the details of what things can cast i personally and I know find it fascination.

It 'very selfish you would try to denigrate others the chance of seeing this continued interesting story, just donтАЩt look if you see it, I'm sure you can manege to do that. :dontknow:

[MARK]

Sorry but i think if you are coming on holiday and can not afford more than a 10bht tip on a drink you should save up and come at a later date.
This may offend some that i am saying this but i would be embarrassed to leave a 10bht tip anywhere.

This is my own personal view. :notworthy:

Wow have you ever thought many guys thinking of coming to Thailand on a budget would like to know the details of what things can cast i personally and I know find it fascination.

It 'very selfish you would try to denigrate others the chance of seeing this continued interesting story, just donтАЩt look if you see it, I'm sure you can manege to do that. :dontknow:

Let's see:

A history of where and when christianpfc left a 10b tip?
Details of how much he paid for a coconut?
Not to mention splurging out 29B on cakes on 07.08.2011

This is what you (and the increasingly bizarre Thai Dyed) find fascinating and Interesting?
In that case, wait for Part 2 - when you will be able to view details of the famous 130B haircut - you'll probably cream in your dry goods.

The only thing Christianpfc is providing is an insight into his obsessive compulsive disorder - and if you and TD think it's normal behaviour, then I suggest/imply/insinuate that you both book into the same Funny Farm from which your Swiss pal has evidently escaped.

:sign5:

[Koh Samui Luv]

"I am not here to write, but to be mad."
тАФ Robert Walser

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[christianpfc]

Sorry but i think if you are coming on holiday and can not afford more than a 10bht tip on a drink you should save up and come at a later date.
This may offend some that i am saying this but i would be embarrassed to leave a 10bht tip anywhere.
This is my own personal view. :notworthy:
That's not the reason why I tip 10 Baht. I am anti-tipping. Tipping is one of the evils that comes from the United States of America and slowly spreads over mankind. I only tip because it's customary/expected. Sometimes I don't tip at all. Tipping is "up to you" and I'm not embarrassed to leave 10 Baht or no tip.



you'll probably cream in your dry goods.

Can you please explain this? Didn't find it in a dictionary.



Funny Farm from which your Swiss pal has evidently escaped.

I am German.

you'll probably cream in your dry goods.

Can you please explain this? Didn't find it in a dictionary.

Certainly - it means ejaculating into one's pants with excitement.




Funny Farm from which your Swiss pal has evidently escaped.

I am German.

Now I know I have been accused of having delusions - but not hallucinations!
Did you not have the Swiss flag as your avatar at one point?

If so, I think I made the following connection:
Swiss>>>>Clock>>>>Cuckoo>>>>Christianpfc

:occasion9:

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Interesting report Christianpfc.

I do not think I would be able to stick keeping such financial records of my holiday, and I am not sure if I would want to either.

To be honest, if I was on holiday with someone who was as meticulous about record -keeping as you , I think it would get on my nerves, but anyway, each to his own...don't worry about what the bullies on here say about you, anybody who posts factual information about a trip to Thailands get the thumbs-up in my book.

You say you will post more information about your day to day activities...that is good to hear. There were a few items I would be particularly interested in hearing about.

- The Sapphirtel Inn and the Diamond residence, would really appreciate a review of them as a place to stay. I don't remember the Sapphirtel residence being reviewed here before.

-ICK Ramkhenheang. What would it be like to visit as a farang with little Thai?.. Would bringing a bar-boy you have offed there as a companion work out do you think?

- GUYS on Walking st and Cartier Boys. Those are unusual places you dont here much about on the boards. I reviewed them both here a few months ago, but have heard little about them since. Are they both still focused on Asian and female customers?

- Your encounters with the boys. I noticed there was several times where you paid a guy 1000 baht, but had no sex. Was that where you just paid a guy for companionship to be with you for the day or whatever, or was it because you offed a guy for sex, but it didi not work out, and you gave him a 1000 baht tip anyway?

Sorry but i think if you are coming on holiday and can not afford more than a 10bht tip on a drink you should save up and come at a later date.
This may offend some that i am saying this but i would be embarrassed to leave a 10bht tip anywhere....... :notworthy:

That's not the reason why I tip 10 Baht. I am anti-tipping. Tipping is one of the evils that comes from the United States of America and slowly spreads over mankind. I only tip because it's customary/expected. Sometimes I don't tip at all. Tipping is "up to you" and I'm not embarrassed to leave 10 Baht or no tip.


The only thing Christianpfc is providing is an insight into his obsessive compulsive disorder - and if you and TD think it's normal behaviour, then I suggest/imply/insinuate that you both book into the same Funny Farm from which your Swiss pal has evidently escaped. :sign5:


I sit here in utter amazement that words cannot decribe!
Everything now becomes clear to me.

MARK!!! I am fucking jealous and my boys have lost sleep not getting that 110 baht for water and 10 baht tip! I hate you!!
Now let me take out my calculator for this. 10 baht tip divided by at least 10 staff, hmmmmmm.... 1 baht each!
:sign5: :sign5: :sign5: :sign5:

[martin911]

Interesting report Christianpfc.

I do not think I would be able to stick keeping such financial records of my holiday, and I am not sure if I would want to either.

To be honest, if I was on holiday with someone who was as meticulous about record -keeping as you , I think it would get on my nerves, but anyway, each to his own...don't worry about what the bullies on here say about you, anybody who posts factual information about a trip to Thailands get the thumbs-up in my book.

You say you will post more information about your day to day activities...that is good to hear. There were a few items I would be particularly interested in hearing about.

- The Sapphirtel Inn and the Diamond residence, would really appreciate a review of them as a place to stay. I don't remember the Sapphirtel residence being reviewed here before.

-ICK Ramkhenheang. What would it be like to visit as a farang with little Thai?.. Would bringing a bar-boy you have offed there as a companion work out do you think?

- GUYS on Walking st and Cartier Boys. Those are unusual places you dont here much about on the boards. I reviewed them both here a few months ago, but have heard little about them since. Are they both still focused on Asian and female customers?

- Your encounters with the boys. I noticed there was several times where you paid a guy 1000 baht, but had no sex. Was that where you just paid a guy for companionship to be with you for the day or whatever, or was it because you offed a guy for sex, but it didi not work out, and you gave him a 1000 baht tip anyway?


Hi ---Re ICK -- I have been there but only in the company of bf/gik (as they say here )-- i was the only farang there anytime --the crowd that goes there are mainly the students ---and you would be suprised at how little farang contact these guys have had ---
I have only ever got a very favourable reaction there - ,but i dont rem any conversation in english that i had with anybody i was introduced there --so it prob would be difficult if u were to go alone with limited Thai skills
If you are in any decent shape you will have no bother picking up a guy for the night --and money is not as big a factor as in the silom areas
There is a certain amount of kudos for a thai boy to be seen with a farang in these places-
Yes by all means take a bar boy there --Ick is not that far from the silom area (about 20 min or so at the times of the night that it is open )

Another thing i have been told about ICK (but not gone yet ) is that there are regular sex parties(at the "karaoke meeting place ") --the whole place is booked for the night -its by word of mouth --and again one guy i spend a lot of time with here says that a farang at this will be very much in demand !!!!
From what i have been told (by my thai friend who has gone for 2 years now (started going when he waas 16 the little slut )-ita a pretty exciting no holds barred type of event !!

Hope thats of help !!

[Cees-Holland]

Thank christianpfc for your list, it was interesting to read.

I always spent much more money then I planned.
Everything is so cheap... but many cheap things..
But in all, one can do so many things in Thailand with little money.

[corky]

Hi Christian,

On 29.07.2011 Friday in Bangkok you spent 61 Baht on one mango 0.5kg

On 08.08.2011 Monday in Pattaya you spent 20 Baht on mango.

Please can you tell us if the Bangkok mango was 3 times the size or in what way was it better than the Pattaya mango?

My guess is that (like the boys in Pattaya) the Pattaya mango was small and scrawny, not so juicy, shabby and bruised from being touched-up by too many customers who had no intention of buying it; whereas the Bangkok mango (like the boys in Bangkok) was a mature, more fleshy mango that had been tested by discerning, more polite customers who were willing and able to pay the market rate.
:tongue3:

[lukylok]

Just a question : when in Jomtien you forgot 5 bahts for toilet, or did you pee in the sea ? :glasses7:

[gaymandenmark]

:rolling: :rolling:

christianpfc, I would also like to know the weight of your shit, from day to day. Do you have a schedule and are you doing it on fixed times? Is your shit getting bigger or smaller during your stay in Thailand?

Wouldn't that be interesting? :laughing3:

I agree with UncleTom and Scot-boy on this, to do like christianpfc, is a sign of an anal retentive or at least some kind of obsessive behavior.

:rolling: :rolling:

christianpfc, I would also like to know the weight of your shit, from day to day. Do you have a schedule and are you doing it on fixed times? Is the shit getting bigger or smaller during your stay in Thailand?

Wouldn't that be interesting? :laughing3:

I agree with UncleTom and Scot-boy on this, to do like christianpfc, is a sign of an anal retentive or at least some kind of obsessive behavior.


Hi,

Also want to know if you used paper squares or was there a jetspray to clean your arse? How long were you in the toilet?? Was it clean? and finally did you consider you got a good 5 bahts worth??

It can be a bit difficult in the squat position at times, can't it?


Your detailed answers to the board would be very much appreciated by some..................... I think... :dontknow:

[christianpfc]

Now I know I have been accused of having delusions - but not hallucinations!
Did you not have the Swiss flag as your avatar at one point?

No.



-ICK Ramkhenheang. What would it be like to visit as a farang with little Thai?.. Would bringing a bar-boy you have offed there as a companion work out do you think?
anyway?
I go there usually with a Thai friend. Chances for a hook-up are very low in my opinion (I didn't even seriously try, as I was with a friend and these Thai-style discos where groups are standing around tables are not optimal for cruising or maybe I'm just to shy - but not in DJ-station!).



- Your encounters with the boys. I noticed there was several times where you paid a guy 1000 baht, but had no sex. Was that where you just paid a guy for companionship to be with you for the day or whatever, or was it because you offed a guy for sex, but it didi not work out, and you gave him a 1000 baht tip anyway?None of them was from a bar and relationships with all of them are non-sexual.



I sit here in utter amazement that words cannot decribe!
Everything now becomes clear to me.

Maybe you can enlighten us?



MARK!!! I am fucking jealous and my boys have lost sleep not getting that 110 baht for water and 10 baht tip! I hate you!!
Now let me take out my calculator for this. 10 baht tip divided by at least 10 staff, hmmmmmm.... 1 baht each!

You will have your chance in December when I'm back. (Unless you ban me in advance for ... you don't even have to justify, you can ban whomever you want for no reason, it's your bar!)



-- i was the only farang there anytime --the crowd that goes there are mainly the students ---and you would be suprised at how little farang contact these guys have had ---
I have only ever got a very favourable reaction there - ,but i dont rem any conversation in english that i had with anybody i was introduced there --so it prob would be difficult if u were to go alone with limited Thai skills
If you are in any decent shape you will have no bother picking up a guy for the night --and money is not as big a factor as in the silom areas
There is a certain amount of kudos for a thai boy to be seen with a farang in these places-
Yes by all means take a bar boy there --Ick is not that far from the silom area (about 20 min or so at the times of the night that it is open )

Another thing i have been told about ICK (but not gone yet ) is that there are regular sex parties(at the "karaoke meeting place ") --the whole place is booked for the night -its by word of mouth --and again one guy i spend a lot of time with here says that a farang at this will be very much in demand !!!!
From what i have been told (by my thai friend who has gone for 2 years now (started going when he waas 16 the little slut )-ita a pretty exciting no holds barred type of event !!

As far as I remember, there were one or two other farangs around every time I visited ICK and adjacent bars.

When we left, my friend chatted with one of the staff people and translated and although I don't remember exactly, it sounded very good. That's why I made the trip to Meeting Karaoke (not far), but we were too early, so I don't know what's going on when it gets busy (probably at 3 or 4 am).


Hi Christian,

On 29.07.2011 Friday in Bangkok you spent 61 Baht on one mango 0.5kg

On 08.08.2011 Monday in Pattaya you spent 20 Baht on mango.

Please can you tell us if the Bangkok mango was 3 times the size or in what way was it better than the Pattaya mango?

My guess is that (like the boys in Pattaya) the Pattaya mango was small and scrawny, not so juicy, shabby and bruised from being touched-up by too many customers who had no intention of buying it; whereas the Bangkok mango (like the boys in Bangkok) was a mature, more fleshy mango that had been tested by discerning, more polite customers who were willing and able to pay the market rate.
:tongue3:
Is this a serious question? The mango in Bangkok was an entire fruit (yellow soft sweet), whereas the mango in Pattaya was from a fruit vendor (peeled and cut into pieces). I think the mango in Bangkok was about twice the weight of the mango in Pattaya.


Just a question : when in Jomtien you forgot 5 bahts for toilet, or did you pee in the sea ? :glasses7:
I didn't forget and I didn't pee in the sea. I have good control of (whatever you do in a toilet), so usually I can do all my business in my hotel room or at night in bars or restaurants where I eat or drink.

[RonanTheBarbarian]

Thanks for your replies Christian and Martin.

Will definitely check out ICK on my next trip to BKK, but just to see the sights...I will bring a guy with me i think.

Thanks for your other responses too, Christian. As I said, i look forward to your account of your visit to GUYS and Cartier Boys.

I think I would avoid getting into a discussion about your toilet habits on the board, Christianpfc. It plays up to a stereotype of Germans being obsessed with their bowel movements.
There was an article in Vanity Fair recently that cause a huge row - it was about the German banks and the Euro crisis, but the author indulged in alot of cod-psychology about Germans being very anal, and obsessed with feces etc. This caused a bit of an international shit-storm (if you will excuse the pun). You can read the article here:

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/feat ... ope-201109 (http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/09/europe-201109)

It is quite worth reading for anybody with an interest in current affairs, actually. The funniest bit is the outraged comments on the article by some of the German commentators, which ironically tend to lend credence to the idea that they are all very uptight and anal. :rolling:

I could care less about drinking one water because the profit margin is there. I could care less about whether you take 1/2 of it home or not as the bottle is yours. Your carefully keeping track, writing it all down even 10 baht amazes me and I could never spend 15 minutes alone with you as.... well I could not deal with you. Your disorder, your problem. My only real comment is that you "appear" to give the boy who puts up with your anal retentiveness (if thats a word) and either talks to you for hours or go to the beach with you or whatever 1,000 - 1,500 baht but someone who serves you and takes care of you in a service establishment, that you want to squeeze out 10 baht which gets shared with the entire staff! I know what you said about tipping being evil and I am not trying to take the piss out of you, I am just amazed!

Only one thing - on a very busy "packed-out" night, a guy sitting for an hour watching your show on the strength of buying 1 water at 100B (+ 10B tip) may well be keeping out another person who would have bought several beers or whiskies and left a large tip for the boys. As a bar owner, only you can decide if that is the sort of clientele you want and can afford to entertain.

I guess this is one reason why many bars (especially in Soi Twilight) have a flat-rate consumption charge - it keeps the lurkers out.

Frankly, I can't understand why a non-drinker would want to frequent a bar at all (nookie can be found anywhere) - I don't see many non-smokers going in those arab shisha bars in Sunee.

:dontknow:

Hi,

I loved the detailed description of the Mangos!...................... :sign5: :sign5:

The man's a star.

I guess this is one reason why many bars (especially in Soi Twilight) have a flat-rate consumption charge - it keeps the lurkers out
Never heard of that SG, please tell me more.

I guess this is one reason why many bars (especially in Soi Twilight) have a flat-rate consumption charge - it keeps the lurkers out
Never heard of that SG, please tell me more.

I'm sure you have - maybe I haven't expressed what I mean very well:

Every drink 250B (or whatever you deem appropriate) - so the water drinker cannot sit there for an hour or more, taking up space, on the strength of making a low contribution to the bar.

:occasion9:

[quote="scottish-guy":116w2ahc]I'm sure you have - maybe I haven't expressed what I mean very well:
Every drink 250B (or whatever you deem appropriate) - so the water drinker cannot sit there for an hour or more, taking up space, on the strength of making a low contribution to the bar. :occasion9:[/quote:116w2ahc]
Ah ha, so thats what you meant. Somehow I misinterpreted to mean there was like a one price and whatever you could consume similar to our order open bar for 3 hours. My mistake. Thanks! While I understand that the bar owner can make more and that the customer is paying his "fair share" I just dont know how it sits well with customers who drink water and soda as opposed to the people who drink beer and alcohol. Yes, I do know that BKK has done that for ages.

[corky]

Hi Christian,

On 29.07.2011 Friday in Bangkok you spent 61 Baht on one mango 0.5kg

On 08.08.2011 Monday in Pattaya you spent 20 Baht on mango.

Please can you tell us if the Bangkok mango was 3 times the size or in what way was it better than the Pattaya mango?

My guess is that (like the boys in Pattaya) the Pattaya mango was small and scrawny, not so juicy, shabby and bruised from being touched-up by too many customers who had no intention of buying it; whereas the Bangkok mango (like the boys in Bangkok) was a mature, more fleshy mango that had been tested by discerning, more polite customers who were willing and able to pay the market rate.
:tongue3:
Is this a serious question? The mango in Bangkok was an entire fruit (yellow soft sweet), whereas the mango in Pattaya was from a fruit vendor (peeled and cut into pieces). I think the mango in Bangkok was about twice the weight of the mango in Pattaya.


Of course it is a serious question.

History taught our forefathers that it is unwise to trifle with the Germans.

[corky]

Christian,

Your expenses are incomplete as any accountant will tell you.

You have not included depreciation. Wear and tear on your personal clothing, footwear and luggage. This is not tax deductible for holidays and so should be included in any complete costings.

Did you pay for your air ticket with a credit card? If so, did you pay off the full sum before interest was due. If not your holiday costings should include interest payable and amortization of the residual loan. This sum needs to be offset by the value of any air miles or other perks provided by the airline.

Toiletries. Did all the hotels you stayed in provide for all your needs and those of your guests. Were soap, shampoo, mouthwash etc. provided free in the cost of the room or did you, for example, use your own toothpaste and toothbrush? If so then you need to show the cost of that part of the toothpaste tube used and estimated cost of wear and tear on the toothbrush.

Sexual costs. You noted tips but have not provided costings for condoms, lube, rubber gloves, batteries, costumes, clamps, inflatables, paddles, whips & chains etc.

Without such complete details your posting on holiday costs is inaccurate and utterly meaningless. The entire board awaits your explanation.

:pottytrain5:

:sign5: :sign5: :sign5: :sign5:

[christianpfc]

I think I would avoid getting into a discussion about your toilet habits on the board, Christianpfc. It plays up to a stereotype of Germans being obsessed with their bowel movements.

Thanks for the explanation and the link. Now I finally understand why so many posters are obsessed with my pooing and peeing habits.


My only real comment is that you "appear" to give the boy who puts up with your anal retentiveness (if thats a word) and either talks to you for hours or go to the beach with you or whatever 1,000 - 1,500 baht

I do not "appear" to give the boy, I did indeed really give the boys the tips quoted (no joke, real 1000 Baht-bills/bank notes or even more, genuine money!).


but someone who serves you and takes care of you in a service establishment, that you want to squeeze out 10 baht which gets shared with the entire staff! I know what you said about tipping being evil and I am not trying to take the piss out of you, I am just amazed!
As I wrote before, I don't understand tipping and I support it only to not appear rude. A cashier at 7/11 does a similar service as a waiter, so why does the waiter gets tips? I donтАЩt see any obligation on my part to support the staffтАЩs livelihood/subsistence. ThatтАЩs their employerтАЩs job. ItтАЩs nothing to do with me. I think we discussed this before on another thread.

After some thinking how to justify my position, I can give a better answer to a previous post:


Sorry but i think if you are coming on holiday and can not afford more than a 10bht tip on a drink you should save up and come at a later date.
This may offend some that i am saying this but i would be embarrassed to leave a 10bht tip anywhere.

This is my own personal view. :notworthy:

ItтАЩs the employerтАЩs responsibility to pay his employees a decent wage, so they donтАЩt have to rely on customerтАЩs tips. (For example at the 7/11, they probably donтАЩt earn much, but do you give tips?) So I can turn this around (no offence to Mark or anyone, just a different point of view): If I were a bar owner and couldnтАЩt pay my waiters enough that they can make a decent living (by Thai standards), but have to rely on tips from customers, I would be embarrassed. Kind of "yes, you work here as a waiter for free, but sorry I can't pay, you have to get your money from customer's tips". (Of course, tips to gogo boys and massage boys are something completely different.)



Your expenses are incomplete as any accountant will tell you. ... The entire board awaits your explanation.

I wonтАЩt fall into this trap.

[Dick]

Hi Christian,

On 29.07.2011 Friday in Bangkok you spent 61 Baht on one mango 0.5kg

On 08.08.2011 Monday in Pattaya you spent 20 Baht on mango.

Please can you tell us if the Bangkok mango was 3 times the size or in what way was it better than the Pattaya mango?



It took me a full minute to pick myself up off the floor and compose myself to write this compliment!
An absolute Corker, Corky!

[Dick]

christianpfc, I commend your posting, I really do. Few of us would be brave enough to go into such detail, as it might suggest frugality. But I suspect like you I hate to waste money unnecessarily.
Your post reminded me of my first job as a very young man all those years ago. Another entrant who joined our organisation in London at the same time, but having moved from Scotland for the position, recorded in his notebook every item of expenditure so he could monitor how much and where he was spending. He was fastidious about every entry. He didn't seem to mind the critical comments from his co-workers about why he thought it necessary to keep such a journal.

Not all who post here have, or use to have, bags of money available to them for their stays in Thailand. And Thailand came be expensive for those who have not quite worked out where or how to shop, or who ignore the sensible advice available on boards like ours. Keeping an accurate record (and if you are German, is there any other form of record worth taking?) of where you spend your money is a good way to assess the budget required for subsequent visits. It was good to note you took advantage of the innexpensive meals to be had in the street; I'm guessing there are a good few who read this board who probably haven't tried the safe to eat street food available because they don't know how or can't be bothered to try express to the vendor what they want. Full credit to you for taking advantage of what Thailand has to offer.

As for the mango's... well I had to laugh at Corky's post, and in true German style you responded. But I don't believe he meant the question literally. I'm thinking it was a humourous attempt to appeal to your lighter side. You might enjoy your travels much more if you left the burdens of conformity and conventions at home. Enjoy Thailand for all that your home country is not.

I am not joking with you or pulling your chain Christian. Let me see if I can explain my thoughts on tipping.
No, I am not an advocate of all this tipping eveywhere in the USA. My home country has been Thailand for a few years and here I will remain.
I think that because some people perform poorly, why should they get the same amount of pay as one who busts thier ass to give you very good service?
Well if they are paid by an employer, everyone would get the same pay or near the same. No incentive. Sure, if they perform poorly, you can keep firing them til you may get a good staff but that is difficult.
I used to go to Europe alot. Now no disrespect to my German friends or Czech, BUT, it appeared to me that since they do not get tips except for a few pence, thier attitude either sucked or was mundane and the service was near rude and unhelpful!
This compared to the running and smiling and great customer service that you get in the USA because they RELY on tips and they are working hard for good tips, the same way that Thailand has become! Waiters that have worked well for you deserve a little bit more of a tip than 10 baht and I DO disagree with you that 7 - 11 employees and others that dont provide customer service deserve tips. I do tip the young boys at Villa Market and Foodland for taking out my groceries because they have to put up with my little pinches and my pleading that they go home with me!
Christian, next time you go out and want a pleasurable time, consider 20 baht. At least give the boy enough to buy a Mangosteen!

:tif:

[Beachlover]

Freak! :rolling:

Well, it takes all types of people to make for a diverse board and I guess ChristianPFC is one of them.



Your expenses are incomplete as any accountant will tell you. ... The entire board awaits your explanation.
I wonтАЩt fall into this trap.
He's learning. :rolling:

In terms of tipping, I'm sort of with ChristianPFC on this when it comes to tipping in Thailand...

Thais don't tip! You're not expected to tip.

People who come here from high-tipping countries like the States, leave 10-20% tips everywhere and look down on other foreigners for not doing the same are douchebags.

They come up with all sorts of stupid justifications like "oh look how low their wages are" and "it's disgusting, we earn so much more than them" and "tourists are expected to tip" but really, they're just douches.

Thailand's a different country with a whole different set of customs. Thai service staff are paid full wages. Tips aren't factored into their pay packet. The only time you tip in Thailand is to round up, get rid of small change or when you need to get something done quicker/better.

When it comes to bars, I usually don't tip, other than leaving loose change or in special circumstances (e.g. getting a bar tender to mix up cocktails).

But for gogo bars I do tip. The only reason I leave a couple of 20 or 50 baht notes for the waiter in a gogo bar is because it's customary to do this. I don't know why gogo bars are different from other bars and restaurants but I'm happy to go with the flow because I know they are.

Well, it takes all types of people to make for a diverse board and I guess ChristianPFC is one of them.
Absolutely and there really is not much teaching that can be done here. One example: I have a friend from Wisconsin who is the exact same as Christian. I rented a van to go from Pattaya to Chaing Mei for a week and I took 2 boys with me. When it came time to pay for the van, he divided the gasoline and van costs into 4 as he said there were four of us. One time he sat for about 4 hours "auditing" the hotel bill as we shared a big suite. At the end of 4 hours, he said to me, "OK, I have audited the bill and I figure you owe me $20.00. I am sorry but I don't have time to do all that calculating and when it was over to approach a friend for such a small amount of money! I think Christian as well as my friend are funny, but I won't travel or go out with them. My mind can't deal with it!


The only time you tip in Thailand is to round up, get rid of small change or when you need to get something done quicker/better.
Exactly! That's what I tried to say before. You are looking for exceptional service and you should be willing to give a little in appreciation for it.
If you get the same mundane service, the same dull look, fuck 'em. But those that try to give you a big welcome, good service, why not part with a few extra baht and make their day, the same as they just tried to make yours.

You will find that a few baht can go a long way. Another example: when I run low on water in the tanks at the house I call a water delivery company as well as when I run low on LPG at the house. Both people who deliver give me a great big smile and always tell me, "you get first. I don't care who wait". Why? Because I give them a lousey 50 baht extra. My water guy I give 100 baht extra if I call him during his closed hours and I can get water 24 hours a day he tells me.I get deliveries first no matter if there are 10 people on their list waiting.
bars? If I get good service and the waiter does not pester me for a drink or tip. If he does, I leave and I leave giving him nothing!
Try to give up a few extra baht sometimes and maybe it will go long way for you!
:tif:

[christianpfc]

Regarding service in bars and restaurants, I just distinguish two scenarios:

I don't get at all what I ordered or I get something different or it takes far too long. Didn't happen so far. In this case I would complain or explain that I can't wait any longer and leave.

I get what I ordered (and it's warm if I ordered hot food or it's cold if I ordered a cold drink) in an acceptable time. This is what the waiter is paid for by his boss. Others will distinguis various levels of good service that seem all the same to me. I'm kind of colour-blind or tone-deaf in this regard, as I have very limited experience with bars and restaurants and tipping in Europe.

(This still leaves the question: to tip or not to tip (and how much)?)

[sing_lofty_sing]

Yeah dudes and i think some of you bar owner should tip me for having to use dirty stinking toilets and sit on shitty seats. then charge stupid prices for a beer. Like to take customers hard earned but dont like to make the surroundings nice. Im not saying all bars but a lot of them ive been to in Pattaya. :headbang:

If you don't get what you want and it is not given to you in an acceptable time I certainly can see your frustration and not want to tip.
If the service is average and the item you ordered is in an acceptable time but the service and time is just average, well if you tip or not is up to you. I would think a small amount like 20 baht is enough, no?
I think if it brought to you with a big smile, quick time and the person is really looking out for your enjoyment, I would think 50 baht is nice.
I went to a karaokee club where the service was great, we were there for about three hours and the waiter sat next to the table and paid attention only to us. My boys suggested that we leave a 100 baht tip.
You have to decide what is best for you. Its not my money.
:tif:
Add on to sing_lofty_sing
Our restrooms are supposed to be cleaned daily. Have liquid soap, which is filled all the time by a service company and clean linen towels for you to dry your hands. In our bar, the toilet is almost as big a priority as the quality of the drinks and the friendly service.
If you find our tolilet a mess, we need to hear so that appropriate action can be taken at once. I agree, there is nothing more disgustng than having to use a public toilet and it be dirty and unsanitary!

[Beachlover]

I have a friend from Wisconsin who is the exact same as Christian.
So you know the type! :rolling:

My attitude with friends and partners is just be generous and always make sure you're not paying less than the other guy. I think this kind of thing always comes back to you.


Both people who deliver give me a great big smile and always tell me, "you get first. I don't care who wait". Why? Because I give them a lousey 50 baht extra.
Perfect example...


Regarding service in bars and restaurants, I just distinguish two scenarios...I'm kind of colour-blind or tone-deaf in this regard
That's because you're a freaking robot! :rolling:

There's a place I go most weeks with my mates. It's always busy and if you turn up without a booking there's usually a 1-2 hour wait, sometimes people won't get a table at all.

We always tip the staff fairly well (tipping culture in Australia is pretty low so you don't have to tip much to be generous). We treat the waiters great, often have drinks with them after the place has shut. One of my mates got one of the waiters a great job when he graduated. Another of the waitresses has a day job in a firm similar to mine and I helped her win new accounts and get promoted.

Anyway, we get AWESOME service anytime we turn up. Doesn't matter how packed the place is, they always get us a table within 10-15 mins of arriving (i.e. no more than one round of drinks at the bar). Food always arrives quick and they're always happy to accommodate various requests on the menu and specials.

Sure, this is an extreme example, but you can see there's a huge difference between just getting the right meal on time and getting GREAT service. Whether it's helping you pick out the right wine, answering questions about the menu or little extra touches, service in bars and restaurants can vary enormously! What's even better is when you bring a date to a restaurant that knows you and always treats you great...