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Dodger
June 26th, 2011, 09:43
Hi you maniacs,

What did I learn during this holiday? If you pass out drunk before doing the deed and are still wearing a condom - remember to take the dam thing off. If not, you may get up during the night to take a piss and end up having a water balloon filled with urine bursting at your feet.

The more the jet lag from my 27 hour journey home lifts - the more the memories of my holiday become vivid pictures. What a wonderful time!

This trip marked the beginning of my transition to 3 month stays and I have to say that IтАЩm not holidaying in LOS any more тАУ IтАЩm living there. This was also my first stay in an apartment which I had secured during my last holiday which created a more home-like environment. I missed the pool at Chateau Dale, but the fact that I had my own place more than made up for the difference. I rented the apartment on a one year lease last November and just completed the re-furnishing this holiday. Located in Jomtien Plaza, it offers close proximity to Dongtan Beach, plenty of bars and restaurants within walking distance, and a 10 minute motorbike ride to Soi Sunee and BoyztownтАжjust perfect.

I finally purchased my own motorbike versus renting as I have always done in the past. Having a signed one year apartment lease qualified me to obtain a Certificate of Residency from the Thai immigration office which is required when purchasing a motorbike or car in LOS. The alternative for those who are just visitors versus residents is to purchase your car or motorbike in a Thais name - which of course is risky business. My apartment complex offers free indoor secure storage for my motorbike during my returns to the U.S. which is a great convenience.

The final touch to my living quarters included the purchase of an electric bass guitar and amplifier which fulfills a burning desire to start playing music again. I spent 12 years in a previous life earning a living with a bass strapped around my neck and plan to spend plenty of afternoons in the future having some fun again. I also purchased a good set of headsets as to not alienate the neighborsтАжa lesson I learned all too well back in the 70тАЩs.

I spent most nights visiting the watering hole at Corner Bar and enjoyed the banter with Michael, Thomas and the staff very much. Their drinks are like bomb shells, leading to such events as to fall asleep while wearing an un-used condom. I also visited YayaтАЩs Bar frequently because of the friendly and outgoing staff, as well as the fact that I met a boy there who I almost immediately became attached to. Barry and Yaya are both great guys who really know how to operate a business and keep their customers and staff happy.
I maintained the routine of visiting Thep daily at Nong Palia Prison much as I did during the previous holiday. He is doing as well as expected all things considered. I made the 45 minute motorbike rides to the prison at 6:30 each morning, got to see him (through glass) around 8:30 AM, and arrived back in PTY at around 10:30 AM in time for breakfast at Two Guys. For those who havenтАЩt ever stopped in at Two Guys Guest House youтАЩre really missing something. John (TGтАЩs owner) is just a great guy to be around. His place provides a home-like atmosphere where visiting farang meet sometimes just to have breakfast and a friendly chat even if theyтАЩre not lodging at Two Guys. They serve a great western style breakfast, and the waiters Aek and Geng (sp?) couldnтАЩt be friendlier or more outgoing.

With all the things going on with ThepтАЩs incarceration and my life during this period in general, the last thing I had intended was to get seriously involved with any boy at this juncture for anything more than some short time fun. No such luck. I met a boy who IтАЩll refer to as Sab during my second week in town who literally blew me away. And yes, you can take that quite literally. After spotting him sitting at a local beer bar I just intended to buy him a drink and share some banter with him, but that encounter led to us seeing each other very frequently for the next few weeks тАУ to living together for the next few months.

Unlike all the Isaan farm boys IтАЩve met and spent time with over the years, Sab comes from a stable family environment in Udorn Thani where his father owns and operates several businesses including a snooker club, karaoke club and internet shop. Sab is seeking independence from his father who sounds somewhat controlling and places his education as the number one priority. He attends a technical school located on Threprasit Road focusing on business management curriculum including accounting principles, computer operating systems, etc. He is not a ladyboy, nor is he the boy-next-door; he is simply a gay boy who takes a tremendous amount of pride in himself which shows in all his actions. He dedicates 2 hours each afternoon to exercise which involves both running and badminton. He also dedicates about the same amount of time each day on his studies and can operate a computer with all 10 fingers as fast as some of the executive secretaries IтАЩve worked with. HeтАЩs extremely intelligent and speaks, reads and writes English fluently. Add to this his wonderful sparkly personality and great sense of humor and how could anyone resist being with him. I surly canтАЩt.

As far as my perspective of the scene in PTY in general, it is quite diminished from days gone by. The economy has really taken its toll which has forced many of the working boys to return home and businesses to dim there lights. The gogo scene in both Sunee and Boyztown is still alive and well as most of you know. There are plenty of boys and lots of fun to be had, but the fact remains that things are getting worse exponentially.

I can see from some of the recent post here that MontyтАЩs new place has already been discovered. I saw Monty the first night he returned to PTY and also visited his new bar which is fabulous. It appears as if it were professionally decorated on both levels, and with MontyтАЩs flair for the creative his bar will surly do well - all things considered. My favorite GogoтАЩs were Nice Boys and Mic My in Sunee, although I didnтАЩt spend enough time in Boyztown to provide any sort of meaningful feedback. Tom Yom was fun on a few nights for just watching the younger boys jumping around nude acting likeтАжwell, acting like young boys, and Happy Boys was OK as well for a quick drink and peek up a few baggy undies. Mostly, I avoided the gogoтАЩs and spent most of my time either bending my elbow at Corner or YayaтАЩs in the evenings or heading out somewhere else with Sab.

One of the things that discouraged me somewhat was the personality changes of some of the the expats which became more and more evident to me as time went on. Most of the guys that IтАЩm referring to are guys who IтАЩve known for years and the changes IтАЩm seeing in their personalities overall are unfortunately not of a positive nature. Most, if not all of the people that IтАЩm talking about seem to have lost their luster for live, and along with that their positive thinking. IтАЩm saying this knowing that the aging process is something that affects us all and the fact that an aging person loses what I refer to as luster may seem normal and acceptable, but what IтАЩm referring to is something different. These guys seem to be consumed with anger and discontentment for some unexplainable reason. The only thing I can figure is that they have allowed themselves to become so saturated with the lifestyles and daily routines that they have constructed for themselves that they have evolved to blaming those around them (especially the Thais) for the consequences of their own actions.

On one occasion a farang who IтАЩve known for years as one of the friendliest and socially intelligent persons around flew off the rocker one night in Corner Bar and yelled with an angry voice at a Thai boy who had entered the bar to strum his acoustic guitar and sing a song to visitors a t the bar. The ironic part of this is that the visitors at the bar, me being one of them, were enjoying this guys music, but for some reason the farang felt that this shouldnтАЩt be allowed in the bar тАУ or at least in his presence. On another occasion another farang who IтАЩve also known for years flew off his rocker as he was seated at one open beer bar and yelled angrily at the boys seated at a neighboring beer bar because he felt that the boys were talking too loud. One of the boys responded, and rightfully so, that the farang should go to the temple if he didnтАЩt want to hear talking and laughter тАУ that this was a bar and a place for fun.
The examples that I just gave you are just a few of the things which I observed during my holiday, which, if for no other reason, should be a wake-up call for those suffering with this type of self-inflicted depression. Live is intended to be enjoyed and you are sitting in the middle of one of the greatest places on Earth for a gay farang to find peace and contentment, not to mention the fact that you can tug a hot Thai boy into your sack with the nod of your head. If any of you depressed expats are reading this - for GodтАЩs sake quit bitching at those around you for having fun and start figuring out what you need to do to change in your own life(s) to get back in the saddle again.

OK, now that IтАЩve got that off my chest, I also enjoyed Dongtan Beach, although there seems to be more vendors than boys visiting these days which doesnтАЩt do much for the eyes but a good place to pick up a few good porno movies (yes, I know theyтАЩre illegal) and get a good massage under a coconut palm for a whopping 200 baht. I actually prefer the massage parlors which seem to be recruiting more gay boys than in the past, especially those places with surround TukCom. If someone wants a fun afternoon adventure try Cupids Massage which is located at the rear entrance to TukCom. They staff about 10 gay boys of ever type who are starving for money right now. 300 baht will get you a one hour oil massage and of course you cheap bastards have to tip a little more for the blow job.

My favorite restaurant for Thai food is My Thai located in Soi Day Night right across from the Mosaic Apartments. The only exception to this is an open-air cafeteria style Thai restaurant which is located on Pattaya Klang just one block from Carrfour which is just simply the best. If youтАЩre looking for this place just look for a big red banner (names in Thai) and it sits on the same side of the soi as Carrfour. They serve the best spring rolls IтАЩve ever eaten and their stir fries are just great. You can feed you and the boy youтАЩre with for less than 200 baht and that includes appetizers and soft drinks. This place is a bit out of the way тАУ but a favorite with the Thais and you will see why. For farang food I still like Rich Man-Poor ManтАЩs on soi 9 Jomtien Beach and Shenanigans (Jomtien) for their all-you-can-eat pork spare ribs which they serve every Tuesday.

IтАЩll return in 3 months to live it all again, only this time I will have my music waiting for me, as well as a boy who I canтАЩt wait to see and experience again. Sab is staying in my apartment during my absence and will be a sight for sore eyes when I return. He and I plan to take several trips during my next holiday which will include a short trip to Phuket and another trip to Chiang Mai probably in the November-December time frame. We will have to coordinate the timing of these trips as to not disrupt his schooling, but we are both motivated to make this happen.

So, thatтАЩs that. A great holiday -finally settled into a place I can call home - and a very special person who has shined a ray of light into my life. I feel fortunate to have this opportunity and still have to pinch myself sometimes to make sure itтАЩs real. I have no idea what the future holds for Thep and I and just find myself trying not to think too much as nature takes its course.
Mai pen rai

thonglor55
June 26th, 2011, 10:06
One of the things that discouraged me somewhat was the personality changes of some of the the expats which became more and more evident to me as time went on. Most of the guys that IтАЩm referring to are guys who IтАЩve known for years and the changes IтАЩm seeing in their personalities overall are unfortunately not of a positive nature.A great report Dodger. There's really only two ways of facing up to life long-term in Thailand - laugh or cry. Unfortunately many people seem to a lack a sense of the absurd - there's lots about Thailand that's completely absurd - and their reaction is therefore to cry. For many of them, sadly, it will end in alcoholism and sometimes suicide.

kittyboy
June 26th, 2011, 10:19
One of the things that discouraged me somewhat was the personality changes of some of the the expats which became more and more evident to me as time went on. Most of the guys that IтАЩm referring to are guys who IтАЩve known for years and the changes IтАЩm seeing in their personalities overall are unfortunately not of a positive nature.A great report Dodger. There's really only two ways of facing up to life long-term in Thailand - laugh or cry. Unfortunately many people seem to a lack a sense of the absurd - there's lots about Thailand that's completely absurd - and their reaction is therefore to cry. For many of them, sadly, it will end in alcoholism and sometimes suicide.

Thanks for the report.
I am thinking of retiring in thailand in a few years and I worry about getting bored and drinking myself to death.so I can relate to your description about some of the expats getting cranky and uninterested in life.
I am not sure how one combats that but it is a fear of mine that I will go down that path if I move to thailand.

thonglor55
June 26th, 2011, 10:49
I am thinking of retiring in thailand in a few years and I worry about getting bored and drinking myself to death.so I can relate to your description about some of the expats getting cranky and uninterested in life. I am not sure how one combats that but it is a fear of mine that I will go down that path if I move to thailand.Can I urge you not to live in Pattaya if you do so. One of the things that helps my sanity is a wide circle of gay friends in varied situations and occupations, some retired, some (university) teachers, other is business (not bars!). It's important to meet friends through varied circles and the reason I suggest not Pattaya is that it's simply too small to support that variety. It's crucial to keep an open mind about where you can meet such people, even where you think their interest is something you may not share.

As a (potentially extreme) example, there's an active circle of gay guys whose common interest is the Episcopalian Church on the corner of Sathorn and Convent. As - so I'm told - Episcopalians don't care if you believe something or nothing, going to church is akin to singing the national anthem; it gives a sense of community without actually meaning anything. There's a wide cross-section of gay and straight ex-pats who go there. And that's only one example. I guess (and it's only a guess) the closest equivalent in Pattaya is the Pattaya Expats Club which wouldn't have anything like the variety because Pattaya is that much smaller. People may bitch about @Richards (now closed) but it provided social contacts you are less likely to make in (in descending order) the Soi 4 bars, DJ Station or Soi Twilight. Even that haven of the old gay crocodile, the coffee shops up the first sets of escalators in Silom Complex doesn't have (so I'm told) a comparable equivalent in Pattaya! For Bangkokians, Pattaya is somewhere to go occasionally, and for a weekend at most.

Koh Samui Luv
June 26th, 2011, 12:14
Dodger, I can't tell you how much I look forward to your trip reports. They are fantastic! Thanks!

Thai Dyed
June 26th, 2011, 12:35
One of the things that discouraged me somewhat was the personality changes of some of the the expats which became more and more evident to me as time went on. Most of the guys that IтАЩm referring to are guys who IтАЩve known for years and the changes IтАЩm seeing in their personalities overall are unfortunately not of a positive nature. Most, if not all of the people that IтАЩm talking about seem to have lost their luster for live, and along with that their positive thinking. IтАЩm saying this knowing that the aging process is something that affects us all and the fact that an aging person loses what I refer to as luster may seem normal and acceptable, but what IтАЩm referring to is something different. These guys seem to be consumed with anger and discontentment for some unexplainable reason. The only thing I can figure is that they have allowed themselves to become so saturated with the lifestyles and daily routines that they have constructed for themselves that they have evolved to blaming those around them (especially the Thais) for the consequences of their own actions.



This is something I find happening worldwide, more quickly in some areas than in others. I don't think age has anything to do with it. The attitudes in the gay world seem to deteriorating faster than among straights. But I must agree that the trend is downward and I think this has more to do with the civilization we find unfolding around us that we have created, and among all ages, and worldwide. I think our only defense is to be prepared for even worse in the future.

"Human beings have an extraordinary instinct for self-destruction, and this ought to be out in the open where we can see it." -J. G. Ballard, 2004

bigben
June 26th, 2011, 18:26
Nice review/report as usual.

I'm looking forward to meeting you when you finally take the plunge and move here.

Check your in box.

Narakmak
June 26th, 2011, 18:58
Appreciate your report. I also like that place on Pattaya Klang. I have yet to try the new My Thai, but now I will.

bucknaway
June 27th, 2011, 01:42
My friend, you could title your posts "The New Love of My Life" and it would be a prefect replacement for "Dodger's Trip Report".

Thanks for the post and I have to admit that on one of my visits to Thailand, I arrived with my defenses up and a chip on my shoulder. I met lies with anger, I refused to let any Thai get the better of me in any financial transaction (I didn't buy much of anything on that trip). I was pissed most of that trip and I was pissing of others.

It was the middle of my holiday before I had to get hold of my attitude and put an end to what was akin to a vendetta aimed at everyone who traveled in the circles of the Thai Tourist trade. I had to let go of everything bad that had nearly happened to me on a previous visit and allow the good thing that my anger was blocking to make their way to me on that visit.

Once I did that, my holiday there was re-born and I had one of the best times of my life.

I was also able to help a friend of mine who was about to go down that same dark path. He had a chip on his shoulder and seem to have a very short fuse. I talked with him about my time there with a short fuse and s chip and now it was effecting my holiday there and how I changed my attitude and the world smiled down on me. It helped him to unclench his fist and he began to smile again and the things that rubbed him the wrong way a moment ago were once again a moment to that reminded him why he enjoyed Thailand so much.

Thanks for the reports and thanks for sharing as much as you dare!

krobbie
June 27th, 2011, 02:32
Dodger, as ever a good read. No punches pulled and no fact glossed over.

I see no-one is blaming you for taking up with another since Thep is in prison. Perhaps that will give Thep time to reflect on his yaba use and you time to reflect on the fact that you have been a very good patron to him over the years but it may well be time to move on. Sab sounds just the ticket.

Thanks for the report and I will be in touch through PM.

Cheers
krobbie

bao-bao
June 27th, 2011, 03:24
Thank you for the update and another chance to share the reflections on your experiences there. They're always an interesting read, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the time it takes to put it all down.

I'm curious as to how Thep feels about your moving on - if you've told him about this yet. Is Sap being his in-place support while you're away? It would seem unusual if he took to Sap in a friendly way, but it could happen, I suppose, if he's realized the damage he's done to the relationships in his life with his addiction - I have no idea what Thep's awareness level is about that. Most alcoholics and addicts are pretty deep in denial, I've learned. I suppose in a perfect world they could be friends, the two of them. It's going to be interesting to hear what happens.

Best of luck with the next phase. I'll be looking for another report :cheers:

thonglor55
June 27th, 2011, 05:26
The attitudes in the gay world seem to deteriorating faster than among straights.Angst Internally Destroys Sodomites??

luvthai-2
June 27th, 2011, 07:51
I always enjoy your trip reports and look forward to reading them. I so hope you do not return to a stripped down apartment and I say you have a 50/50 chance of it happening. Your boy will have friends visiting your apt while you are gone so chances are you will be missing items. I so hope I am worng tho.

Jellybean
June 27th, 2011, 18:52
Thanks for yet another excellent report Dodger which, as always, was a joy to read.

I was particularly interested in your observations on the behaviour of some of the ex-pats who frequent the host bars in Sunee Plaza. I live in Bangkok, but I go to Pattaya about twice a year for 3 or 4 days at a time and I too have noticed such behaviour and wondered why some ex-pats behaved in such an unpleasant manner. Were they drinking too much? Did they have health issues? Were they depressed? I agree with Thonglor55 that it is important to have interests outside of the Boyztown/ Sunee Plaza bubble. Perhaps they have forgotten how lucky they are to be able to enjoy all the delights that Thailand and Pattaya in particular have to offer. I am sure many visiting tourists will be quite envious of the ex-pats ability to spend all year round in Thailand.

I donтАЩt know the answer, but I know that I would go bonkers if I spent 12 months of the year in Thailand. I do find after about 3-4 months of living in Thailand feeling a bit low, I find myself starting to miss my friends and family back in the UK. I also miss my old life back in London, London pubs and clubs, British newspapers, British TV and radio.

I have therefore got myself into a regular cycle of spending the spring and summer months back in the UK and, occasionally, Christmas & New Year. I have to return anyway to see my cancer surgeon so have an incentive to go back. But, by the autumn, when the weather starts to change, I start to miss ThailandтАЩs lovely weather, my Bangkok apartment and, of course the Thai boys some of whom I keep in regular contact with. And when I return I renew my appreciation of all that Thailand has to offer me, which given my particular circumstances I donтАЩt think I could find anywhere else. It is then that I consider how lucky I am to have survived cancer and to be lucky enough to live in Thailand; to have a second life that some can only dream of. I donтАЩt take anything for granted, especially my relations with Thai boys. I feel so incredibly lucky that I am still able to have sexual relations at all, never mind with such young and handsome guys.

Is it possible that some of the ex-pats you observed need to get themselves out of Thailand from time to time to realise just how lucky they are. Just a thought.

June 27th, 2011, 19:35
Good luck with it all Dodger...

Beachlover
June 27th, 2011, 22:21
Thanks, Dodger... A positive and well-reasoned read as usual.

Have you thought about how you're going to handle Thep and Sab when the former gets back to civilisation or is this one of those "take it as it comes" things?

This could be a nice setup for the Mother of all dramas next trip. :happy7:


I too have noticed such behaviour and wondered why some ex-pats behaved in such an unpleasant manner. Were they drinking too much? Did they have health issues? Were they depressed?... it is important to have interests outside of the Boyztown/ Sunee Plaza bubble.
I think it's just the lack of self-awareness and low emotional intelligence these people possess. Combine that with the absence of any constructive or productive goals and challenges.

I also think living in this dingy prostitute focused bubble, Pattaya creates a lack perspective that creeps up on them. Same thing can happen in any other similar situation (not just Pattaya).

cdnmatt
June 27th, 2011, 22:53
Nice report Dodger!

Dodger
June 28th, 2011, 07:17
Beachlover Wrote,


Have you thought about how you're going to handle Thep and Sab when the former gets back to civilisation or is this one of those "take it as it comes" things?

Good question.

Thep will probably remain incarcerated for another 1 to 1-1/2 years so it's hard to predict what will happen. One of the realities that an incarcerated person has to accept is that the world around them does not stop revolving because of their actions. I would hope to think that he will be a changed person when he is released so we can resume our relationship with some measure of success as I love him dearly, although this decision rests entirely in his hands. All I can do is keep feeding him and hoping for a good tail wind.

Sab fully understands the circumstances. We'll just have to see how the future unfolds.

Thanks for your comments.

Beachlover
June 28th, 2011, 19:46
Haha... Dodger also posted this on Gaybutton.

One of the members recognised himself as being the cranky and oblivious farang described and got all uppity about it. :rolling:


On another occasion another farang who IтАЩve also known for years flew off his rocker as he was seated at one open beer bar and yelled angrily at the boys seated at a neighboring beer bar because he felt that the boys were talking too loud. One of the boys responded, and rightfully so, that the farang should go to the temple if he didnтАЩt want to hear talking and laughter тАУ that this was a bar and a place for fun.


I must say this is an exaggerated distortion of what really happened and I'm surprised and disheartened by your remarks. We have enjoyed many conversations together and I don't understand where this is coming from. I can't imagine you were even in Yaya's at the time to have so many inaccuracies. And then to make such vehement generalizations about farangs causes me to question my assessment of your character. I am very disappointed.


Doug,

After having to sit and witness this type of behavior, I have little patience for anyone who chooses to treat people this way. I have always enjoyed your company and have a great deal of respect for you as a person, and I mean that sincerely, although your actions that night were off the mark and you have no one to blame but yourself. Barking a command to a bunch of boys who are just talking, laughing and having a good time, especially in a bar setting, telling them they are talking too loud is over-the-top. I heard your words through the bushes as clearly as I heard the response of the boy sitting at the table next to me when he informed you repeatedly that this was a bar and that you should go to a temple if you wanted silence. What shocked me the most is when I saw that it was you who was making these comments. You got angry at someone for talking at a bar - and now you're getting angry at someone who's talking about you getting angry at a bar...who next, the cleaning lady?

The point I made in my post regarding some xpats exhibiting bitterness as if they're suffering from some sort of depression can only be emphasized by your actions - and the fact that you are apparently not aware of how your actions are perceived by others. Doug, if you for one minute disagree with my read on this I suggest you ask the staff at Yaya's for yourself. It doesn't matter which one of the boys you ask because, with the exception of Yaya, they were all there that night and not one left the tables without expressing their opinions about your actions.

http://gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=10 (http://gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3098&start=10)

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gaymandenmark
June 28th, 2011, 20:39
Yes it is funny how Doug, in anger with Dodgers trip report and his observations, "outed" himself.
Dodger, as a gentleman, did not even name anyone in his report. :sign5:

Thor69
June 28th, 2011, 22:23
Thanks for posting your report!

As far as the other poster outing himself -- well, maybe he has issues?? :violent1:

krobbie
June 29th, 2011, 02:19
As far as the other poster outing himself -- well, maybe he has issues?? :violent1:

I think that is apparent and I imagine now that it's out, his best bet would be to apologise to the boys he yelled at or this will never go away in a place like Pattaya. There's nothing like folk with time on their hands to really cement ones silly actions. Every time Doug enters a bar all the bar boys (for they do talk to one another) will ignore him or worse and the hush by other patrons in the know will make his life miserable.

There's a moral here but for the sake of propriety I shan't spell it out.

Anyway, it's given us something to focus on since we are all so perfect, especially me. :blackeye:

Cheers
krobbie

PS. The biggest sin on SGT is hijacking someone else's thread. Apologies Dodger.

Dodger
June 29th, 2011, 07:48
Beachlover Wrote,


One of the members recognised himself as being the cranky and oblivious farang described and got all uppity about it

It would be irresponsible on my paart not to clarify a few things regarding Doug's comments on my post. First, I would like to say that I have known Doug for several years and he is a true gentleman. He also stands out as someone who always treats the boys he's with with an abundance of kindness and respect. These traits are obvious to all who know Doug.

My response to Doug's comments on this post were also a bit exagerated, as he didn't yell or bark at the boys as I insinuted, rather he simply asked the boys at the neighboring bar (a bit sharply) not to talk so loud. I felt at the time, and still feel now, that that type of action is off the mark, although don't believe that this one stand-alone incident should be used in any way to marr Doug's reputation, because that simply would be off the mark on my part.

The main thrust of my comments were geared towards a trend I've observed realted to expats exhibiting these types of traits and behaviors in general. I could have, and wish I would have, used some better examples than the one involving Doug because I have plenty.

I just don't want to see Doug critisized - when in fact the event I described that night, in-and-by-itself, was trivial in nature.

Thor69
June 29th, 2011, 07:49
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/G_Btn/ironfist-1.jpg


Someone should shove that fist in GB's whammy jammer! What a control freak! :glasses7:

Beachlover
June 29th, 2011, 11:15
Hey, who stuck the image of GBтАЩs fist in my post above? :occasion9:

I swear it wasnтАЩt there when I originally posted. Da Boss? Jinks?

Ah well, may as well have some fun with it... :happy7:

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/beachloversphotos/Misc%20Posts/DopeyCircleJerkFist.jpg


Gentlemen, I'm putting the "Whoa Nelly" on this right now. I'm not about to have my board used to fight out this kind of personal squabble. That's what "Purses at Dawn" is for. Since that's where this is going, in fairness Doug gets to post a response if he wishes. After that, I'm going to close this thread. I'm going to delete any further posts from anyone other than Doug.

Beachlover
June 29th, 2011, 11:16
It would be irresponsible on my paart not to clarify a few things regarding Doug's comments on my post... I could have, and wish I would have, used some better examples than the one involving Doug because I have plenty.
That's fair enough... Thanks for sharing anyway, Dodger. It was Doug's own initiative to name himself as the subject of the example.

I think we've all seen or been subjected to examples of that sort of behaviour from other "off the mark" farangs in Thailand.

ikarus
June 30th, 2011, 02:13
Unlike all the Isaan farm boys IтАЩve met and spent time with over the years, Sab comes from a stable family environment in Udorn Thani where his father owns and operates several businesses including a snooker club, karaoke club and internet shop. Sab is seeking independence from his father who sounds somewhat controlling and places his education as the number one priority. He attends a technical school located on Threprasit Road focusing on business management curriculum including accounting principles, computer operating systems, etc. He is not a ladyboy, nor is he the boy-next-door; he is simply a gay boy who takes a tremendous amount of pride in himself which shows in all his actions. He dedicates 2 hours each afternoon to exercise which involves both running and badminton. He also dedicates about the same amount of time each day on his studies and can operate a computer with all 10 fingers as fast as some of the executive secretaries IтАЩve worked with. HeтАЩs extremely intelligent and speaks, reads and writes English fluently. Add to this his wonderful sparkly personality and great sense of humor and how could anyone resist being with him. I surly canтАЩt.



. Sab is staying in my apartment during my absence and will be a sight for sore eyes when I return. He and I plan to take several trips during my next holiday which will include a short trip to Phuket and another trip to Chiang Mai probably in the November-December time frame. We will have to coordinate the timing of these trips as to not disrupt his schooling, but we are both motivated to make this happen.


May I ask you what is he doing for living?

Dodger
June 30th, 2011, 06:46
Ikarus asked:


May I ask you what is he doing for living?

Well, during April to June he was doing me for his living. He's now working at BigC and continuing his schooling.

June 30th, 2011, 15:13
...during April to June he was doing me for his living. He's now working at BigC and continuing his schooling.

So he's moved from the Big A to the Big C.

Thanks for clearing that up!

:laughing3:

ikarus
June 30th, 2011, 17:40
Ikarus asked:


May I ask you what is he doing for living?

Well, during April to June he was doing me for his living. .
And what if he is doing somebody else right in your apartment? Sorry, I do not want to be mean but it sounds like another fantasy of yours only vaguely based on reality.

ikarus
June 30th, 2011, 17:40
Ikarus asked:


May I ask you what is he doing for living?

Well, during April to June he was doing me for his living. .
And what if he is doing somebody else right in your apartment? Sorry, I do not want to be mean but it sounds like another fantasy of yours only vaguely based on reality.

Dodger
June 30th, 2011, 18:24
Ikarus Wrote:

And what if he is doing somebody else right in your apartment?

It would be better than doing it right outside in the rain.

June 30th, 2011, 18:35
Ikarus Wrote:

And what if he is doing somebody else right in your apartment?

It would be better than doing it right outside in the rain.

Oh I dunno.... sesso al fresco has a lot going for it.

:occasion9:



*yes I know it ought to be "sesso all'aperto"

davidwilsoon
July 1st, 2011, 01:51
THANK YOU

Good to hear that some one kind of of understands Thailand.

Tired of listening to complainers. Yes, Thailand and Pattaya are changing, but guess what things are not the same in the USA.

While I have to dance with the motorcyles as I wonder down a soi, I love it.

THANK YOU