Gay rights - this election!

[blueboy]

Does anyone know if any of the political parties in Thailand actually have a policy towards gay rights?
Or is it just unmentionable?

[thonglor55]

Does anyone know if any of the political parties in Thailand actually have a policy towards gay rights? Or is it just unmentionable?Neither. It is irrelevant.

[gaymandenmark]

Well, at least we know that some of the reds, that support Thaksins party, are hardcore homophobes.
Just read this link at what happended in Chiang Mai in Feb 2009.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/blogs/index. ... e-?blog=63 (http://www.bangkokpost.com/blogs/index.php/2009/02/24/rak-chiang-mai-51-a-pride-or-a-disgrace-?blog=63)

[thonglor55]

Well, at least we know that some of the reds, that support Thaksins party, are hardcore homophobes.I'm fairly confident you could say that about some political parties in most countries of the world.

[gaymandenmark]

Well, at least we know that some of the reds, that support Thaksins party, are hardcore homophobes.I'm fairly confident you could say that about some political parties in most countries of the world.

I am sure, but blueboy asked about the parties in Thailand and not about parties in most other countries of the world.

[thonglor55]

Well, at least we know that some of the reds, that support Thaksins party, are hardcore homophobes.I'm fairly confident you could say that about some political parties in most countries of the world.I am sure, but blueboy asked about the parties in Thailand and not about parties in most other countries of the world.And my point was that Thailand is not alone in having homophobes in its political parties - as a comment about Thailand yours is next to worthless.

[gaymandenmark]

@thonglor55
Huh, so my comment about political parties in Thailand is worthless to the question asked, and on a Thai gay board?
I wont even comment if yours, talking about anything else than Thailand, is worthless or not.

[Thai Dyed]

@thonglor55
Huh, so my comment about political parties in Thailand is worthless to the question asked, and on a Thai gay board?


That's right "gaymandenmark", your comment is worthless. In fact, it is less than worthless! You are a fucking idiot for even making it. And "blueboy" is an even bigger ass for having even posed his question to begin with.

[gaymandenmark]

That's right "gaymandenmark", your comment is worthless. In fact, it is less than worthless! You are a fucking idiot for even making it. And "blueboy" is an even bigger ass for having even posed his question to begin with.

:sign5:

[blueboy]

Thai Dyed has a beautiful way with language!

[gaymandenmark]

Thai Dyed has a beautiful way with language!

Some people are just beautiful. please dont care blueboy :happy7:

[blueboy]

Well something was covered in today's Bangkok Post, with some political parties taking part, but no real commitments. http://www.bangkokpost.com/arts-and-culture/art/244706/lady-gaga-gay-rights-and-thai-politics

[Thai Dyed]

Well something was covered in today's Bangkok Post, with some political parties taking part, but no real commitments. http://www.bangkokpost.com/arts-and-culture/art/244706/lady-gaga-gay-rights-and-thai-politics

Nobody gives a shit about this to begin with. It is not an issue in Thailand and I suggest you don't try to make it one. Be careful what you wish for.

[Beachlover]

There's something you need to know about Thai Dyed.

He doesn't like all this because being a psychotic freak, he feels happier drowning in miserable headlines about gay bashings and instances of gay victimisation. :bis:

[gaymandenmark]

Well something was covered in today's Bangkok Post, with some political parties taking part, but no real commitments. http://www.bangkokpost.com/arts-and-culture/art/244706/lady-gaga-gay-rights-and-thai-politics

1. Nobody gives a shit about this to begin with. It is not an issue in Thailand and 2. I suggest you don't try to make it one. 3. Be careful what you wish for.

1. Thai Dyed, who is Nobody? is it your nickname? Or are you just talking about yourself in third person?

2. And I will suggest that if you dont like the topic, dont read and respond to it, easy huh?

3. Who should be careful and for what reason? Can you please eloberate.

[Thai Dyed]

Well something was covered in today's Bangkok Post, with some political parties taking part, but no real commitments. http://www.bangkokpost.com/arts-and-culture/art/244706/lady-gaga-gay-rights-and-thai-politics

1. Nobody gives a shit about this to begin with. It is not an issue in Thailand and 2. I suggest you don't try to make it one. 3. Be careful what you wish for.

1. Thai Dyed, who is Nobody? is it your nickname? Or are you just talking about yourself in third person?

2. And I will suggest that if you dont like the topic, dont read and respond to it, easy huh?

3. Who should be careful and for what reason? Can you please eloberate.

1. Anybody who can fuck all the boys he wants to, in such a place as Thailand, and live wherever he pleases with even dozens of boys if he wishes, and walk the streets literally draped with boys, like ornaments on a Christmas tree even if one is a 90 year old decrepit wreck, has no business bitching about the state of "gay rights". You can poke your "gay rights" up your ass, at least as far as Thailand is concerned. Among the vast majority of Thais, this is not an issue.

2. I shall read and respond to any topic I please whether you like it or not. You have been warned! It's called "Freedom of Speech" in case you have never heard of it. Huh?

3. It is obvious you have never heard about the dangers of "answered prayers". It is the very reason one should be careful what one wishes for, best illustrated in the story of King Midas. It is also known as "The law of unintended consequences."

[blueboy]

Yes Thai Dyed, we know you can walk the streets draped with boys, but also know that these boys are only looking at you as a 90 year old with access to an ATM. No one is disputing that Thailand is heaven for old queens like you.
Most of the boys working the bars will have no knowledge of gay rights, but when you mix with the more affluent gay men in Bangkok who are more educated, gay rights is an issue. They have traveled and also read of gay rights in other countries, and would like the opportunity to have certain rights as gay people. Proof of the pudding is the article published in the Bangkok Post above - does it not show 100s of people asking certain questions about rights, and why shouldn't they, it is a free country with free speech as you say.
By the way no one is bitching about gay rights, I just brought up the subject because I thought it might be interesting to have a different type of conversation on this board than about sex, and am genuinely interested in the progress of gay rights in Thailand and the rest of the World.
It seems very few people here care about anything more than their next fuck, and have a total disrespect for what the gay Thais may think about anything, never mind gay rights.

[Thai Dyed]

Yes Thai Dyed, we know you can walk the streets draped with boys, but also know that these boys are only looking at you as a 90 year old with access to an ATM. No one is disputing that Thailand is heaven for old queens like you.
Most of the boys working the bars will have no knowledge of gay rights, but when you mix with the more affluent gay men in Bangkok who are more educated, gay rights is an issue. They have traveled and also read of gay rights in other countries, and would like the opportunity to have certain rights as gay people. Proof of the pudding is the article published in the Bangkok Post above - does it not show 100s of people asking certain questions about rights, and why shouldn't they, it is a free country with free speech as you say.
By the way no one is bitching about gay rights, I just brought up the subject because I thought it might be interesting to have a different type of conversation on this board than about sex, and am genuinely interested in the progress of gay rights in Thailand and the rest of the World.
It seems very few people here care about anything more than their next fuck, and have a total disrespect for what the gay Thais may think about anything, never mind gay rights.

If you remove the ATM (money) aspect from most straight relationships they would fall apart also. In vast areas of the world, the money factor is the main determining issue concerning marriages and partnerships, even in the developed world where they have learned to conceal the fact more cleverly until the divorce proceedings start. More than 50% of marriages in America end in divorce. Some great thing this marriage business is. OMG! And if you believe money plays no part in it, then you are certifiably insane.

You are trying to divorce gays from sex? ("I thought it might be interesting to have a different type of conversation on this board than about sex.") Your dizzy notion of "gay rights" has nothing to do with sex? I don't believe what I am hearing. Maybe you should try dehydrating water. You would have more luck with that. Without the sex, what is "gay" about "gay"? Pray tell.

"The more affluent gay men in Bangkok who are more educated" that you speak of are not in the least bit representative of the overwhelming majority of Thais throughout the country, nor are their straight counterparts. (Nor is the Bangkok Post for that matter.) In almost all cases they are a group who have their own issues, as well as an economic and power stranglehold over most of the country that is deeply resented, and that I won't go into here. If you are ignorant of this simple fact, then all conversation with you is hopeless.

[gaymandenmark]

I dont care what kind of thai gay people you surround yourself with, but I can tell you that for some of my friends in BKK, gay rights is an issue, election or no election.

If you are ignorant of this simple fact, then all conversation with you is hopeless.

[springco]

I can tell you that for some of my friends in BKK, gay rights is an issue, election or no election.


OK, so you hang around with a few hi-so types in BKK. Big deal. It is exactly this hi-so gang that the average Thai despises. Get off your high horse gaymandenmark.

[gaymandenmark]

I can tell you that for some of my friends in BKK, gay rights is an issue, election or no election.


OK, so you hang around with a few hi-so types in BKK. Big deal. It is exactly this hi-so gang that the average Thai despises. Get off your high horse gaymandenmark.

That is funny, why do you think that they are hi-so because they are talking about gay rights?, They are infact in any way average people, coming from all part of the society.

Strange that members of many boards, including this, who should know better, have so many stereotypes about the thai people.

If a gay thai express his view of the lack of gay rights in Thailand, he is of course hi-so, people from Isaan is all red supporters, people from BKK hates the reds and are almost all yellow supporters, a bar boy living in Pattaya knows nothing about thai politics, and he does not care, and and so on.
Open your eyes and you will find out that there are many people in between.

[springco]

That is funny, why do you think that they are hi-so because they are talking about gay rights?, They are infact in any way average people, coming from all part of the society.

Strange that members of many boards, including this, who should know better, have so many stereotypes about the thai people.


All right, it was blueboy, the original poster who said "but when you mix with the more affluent gay men in Bangkok who are more educated, gay rights is an issue." You've sucked up to blueboy so many times in this thread that I got the two of you mixed up.

So gaymandenmark, you hang around with average sluts. But I never met an average Thai slut who got his knickers in a twist over "gay rights". In fact, you can poke your "gay rights" up your derri├иre. Gaymandenmark goes on IGNORE.

[Brad the Impala]

But I never met an average Thai slut who got his knickers in a twist over "gay rights"

Just because you didn't meet them.................after all how wide is your slut circle?

[gaymandenmark]

But I never met an average Thai slut who got his knickers in a twist over "gay rights"

I have never met....therefore they are not existing.
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Ups springco I forgot you are playing with your ignore button.

[Beachlover]

Strange that members of many boards, including this, who should know better, have so many stereotypes about the thai people.

If a gay thai express his view of the lack of gay rights in Thailand, he is of course hi-so, people from Isaan is all red supporters, people from BKK hates the reds and are almost all yellow supporters, a bar boy living in Pattaya knows nothing about thai politics, and he does not care, and and so on.
Open your eyes and you will find out that there are many people in between.
Totally agree, Gaymandenmark... But you're wasting your time... These guys probably spend all their time around prostitutes and unskilled workers and lack the self awareness to realise this isn't the norm. They live in a creepy, sleazy bubble and have probably lost the ability to interact and engage with mainstream society.


I never met an average Thai slut...
Dude, that's just fucking disgusting. Absolutely fucking disgusting to refer to Thais in general this way. Fuck off back to the West where you belong.


Be careful what you wish for.
It is obvious you have never heard about the dangers of "answered prayers". It is the very reason one should be careful what one wishes for, best illustrated in the story of King Midas. It is also known as "The law of unintended consequences."
What potential "unintended consequences" are you referring to? I'm actually curious because you've yet to rationally specify this.


Nobody gives a shit about this to begin with.
You could also say no one gives a shit about a creepy old farang who's idea of paradise is a never ending supply of paid sex objects to grope.

Does anyone know if any of the political parties in Thailand actually have a policy towards gay rights?
Or is it just unmentionable?

Neither. It is irrelevant.
Bangkok Post, 31/05/2011: Thai gays demand legalised marriage

A gay network has asked the Democrat Party to support the legalisation of gay marriage for the sake of equality and human dignity. Natee Teerarojanapong, coordinator of a gender identity network which includes his Gay Politics Group of Thailand and transvestite groups, filed the request┬аat the headquarters of the Democrat Party on Tuesday.
In response, Thanom Onketpol, secretary to the Democrat Party's Bangkok vote campaign office, said his party listened to the needs of all groups of people. He would┬аforward the request to his party leader and caretaker Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. He also suggested Mr Natee's network encourage homosexual groups to play a more active role in proposing legislation to the House. If an item of proposed legislation has at least 10,000 signatures of support it can be proposed to the parliament, Mr Thanom said. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/2 ... d-marriage (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/239843/thai-gays-demand-their-legalised-marriage)

Giles Ji Ungpakorn, A Coup for the Rich: Thailand's Political Crisis (2007): тАЬDespite the fact that many people see Thai society and culture as being liberal and tolerant towards alternative sexual life styles, a deeper study of the experiences of Gays, Lesbians and Katoeys shows the real need for a Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender (GLBT) Movement. Such a movement began to emerge in the late 1980s as a result of AIDS. The reason why a Gay or Lesbian Liberation movement never arose in Thailand in the early 1970s, like in many other countries, is mainly explained by the fact that the Maoist Communist Party of Thailand, which had ideological domination over the Peoples Movement, never supported Gays or Lesbians. The C.P.T., like most Maoist organisations, had a very conservative and moralistic attitude to sex. For example, Jit Pumisak, a leading C.P.T. intellectual, in his book about the Thai S a k d i n a system, wrote about the тАЬabnormalities of homosexualityтАЭ arising among women in the harems of the Royal Palace.

Because the тАЬ1968тАЭ wave of international struggle failed to ignite a GLBT movement in Thailand in the 1970s, it was not until the spread of AIDS that a GLBT movement began to emerge, especially among gay men. Examples of Gay and Katoey organisations today are Fa Sri Rung (Rainbow Sky) and Bangkok Rainbow, established in 2000 and 2002, respectively. A n j a re e and S a p a a n (Bridge) are examples of Lesbian movements set up in the same period, but these Lesbian organisations were established as Lesbian websites.64 These GLBT movements, which gradually emerged throughout the 1990s, exhibit the problems and contradictions of identity politics after the international defeats of the 1980s. Identity Politics in that era, especially among GLBT movements, often emphasised building spaces for consumption and entertainment. While politics was reduced, the influence of Pink Businesses increased. Another issue was тАЬVirtual StruggleтАЭ emphasising the use of the internet and websites.

Some people in the GLBT scene claim that Fa Sri Rung is less Pink Business orientated than Bangkok Rainbow because it is dominated by health professionals and N.G.O. activists rather than business people. This may be true to some extent, but B a n g k o k Rainbow is more political if you consider the fact that it organises seminars and political discussions and backed a gay candidate for the Senate elections in 2006. The business-backed people who established the Anjaree website for lesbians were also more overtly political than the rather conservative health professionals working in Fa Sri Rung. However, a social movement cannot be built solely round a website or seminars. Without a real supporting membership, Anjaree collapsed. In contrast, the educational advice and welfare provided by Fa Sri Rung has resulted in a real membership or mass base. These members have exerted pressure on the leaderships of the organisation to push them into becoming more political. Today any blatant homophobic acts or public policies, such as barring gays from teacher training colleges or the media, are immediately countered by the GLBT movement. Recently there were complaints against an obnoxious advertisement showing a тАЬstraightтАЭ man slapping a katoey.тАЭ

Despite these positive developments, the C.P.T. past still haunts the Peoples Movement on the issue of gender. GLBT organisations are still not regarded by the traditional Peoples Movement as a normal part of the movement. Peoples Assemblies and Peoples Movement publications do not raise the GLBT issue. But there is an indication that a new generation of social activists, some of whom are gays, lesbians or socialists, will force a liberalisation of attitudes among the traditional movement. Evidence of this was seen in the fact that the Thai Social Forum included GLBT organizations.тАЭ http://www.scribd.com/doc/15599291/Gile ... al-Crisiss (http://www.scribd.com/doc/15599291/Giles-Ji-Ungpakorn-A-Coup-for-the-Rich-Thailands-Political-Crisiss)

Natee Teerarojjanapong: http://www.yawningbread.org/apdx_2008/imp-391.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Thailand (No Thai version!)

[thonglor55]

A handful of fringe individuals or lobby groups jumping up and down about their pet obsession doesn't make for an "election issue". When it gets closer to the heart of election campaigns - as "gay marriage" has in the US of A - that's when it becomes an election issue because it may influence the way people vote. Until it starts influencing votes it isn't an election issue IMO. I could probably find as many references to capital punishment if I had a partisan interest in the topic (eg. Thaksin's campaign against drug dealers), and there's no way that's an election issue.

Blueboy didn't discuss "gay rights" as an election issue. He asked for "policies towards gay rights", and I gave some examples to substantiate your statement of the irrelevance of the topic for Thai parties.