We refuse Russians

I was quite disapointed in the behaviour of a go go bar owner who is quite special to me,one of the two actually im in love with.
He shall remain nameless mostly because i feel ashamed as a gay person,that he feels that way.
But......he said he refuses most Russian people into his go go bar.

This is not the only gay go go bar owner to mention this,another of my boyfriends also mentioned he may ban Russians from his go go bar some time ago.

But honestly where do we draw the line....Isnt this Racism?.............to single out a race and say sorry you cannot come into a gay bar.

Are we all working against HOMOPHOBIA......................yet its ok to be racist , im sorry people feel this way.
I suppose it comes down to the experiences you have had with a race or group of people.
When we think of gay people many think of a limp wristed handbag wearing mary,but we know thats not the truth.
Yet we stero type others.

Im sure some of you have had some "homophobic" experiences intended or not,how did you feel?

I am ashamed actually,it's 2011.Let's show some tolerance.
That's my opinion anyway,you may think different,let's hear what you think. :idea:

[thonglor55]

But honestly where do we draw the line....Isnt this Racism?.............to single out a race and say sorry you cannot come into a gay bar.I'm not sure that Russians can be described as a "race", but there was a discussion some time ago about the number of badly behaved straight people in gay bars in Pattaya. It turned out that in most cases they are Russians, and the men go only because they are with their girlfriends. It was suggested then that the simplest way to resolve the problem would be not to ban Russians (how can the staff on the door tell a Russian from any other Caucasian (I know, I know - the women plait the hair under their arms)) but to ban women. The men won't go in unaccompanied and the problem is solved. Or do you count that as sexism?

[dab69]

I am sure they would let cute russians in.
otherwise- NGAF

get a life

Precisely Dab,I wish I could have described it as intellectually as you have.

What I think is that it doesn't matter whether they be Russians, Arabs, American, Australians, English, or Scots .... if they're PISSED and/or CAN'T BEHAVE, they don't get in!!

The biggest problem arises when there are bar-owners who deliberately entice groups of young, drunken, str8 tourists in.
These str8 tourists are not in the least interested in going into a boy go-go bar, they go in to see the "freak show" and will usually buy ONE drink.
Unfortunately, during that ONE drink there is a fair chance that trouble will kick off.

So it ought not to be a matter of nationality, it ought to be a matter of not being so greedy for money that you put your bar, your staff, and your decent customers at risk.

Seems simple enough to me.

:occasion9:

I was quite disapointed in the behaviour of a go go bar owner who is quite special to me,one of the two actually im in love with.
...he said he refuses most Russian people into his go go bar.


...We do draw from passerbys and we do refuse most Russians ...

Is there something we should know?

:laughing3:

Tony, not sure what it is about the Russian people as a member of sc\ociety. maybe its the fact that only recently Russia has allowed them to travel and they dont know how to behave in public. Yes, there are some nice Russian people and we have welcomed them into the bar to watch the show like any other person. But fact still remains that the majority of them are loud, obnoxious and have no manners. We have found that they try to stiff us for drinks, so thaat we must ask for the money when served. When a gay Russian comes in and wants to off a boy, we add it to their bill because the majority try to drastically underpay the boy or try not to pay them at all! In a recent thread, I mentioned that three Russian people (2 men and a woman) came into the bar Christmas eve night). They ordered drinks and then 30 minutes later started arguing with staff that someone on Walking Street said that we had a show. We politely said that the show was over 1 1/2 hours earlier. They demanded a refund. They were told that we are sorry but we did not promise them a show and that they consumed their drinks and paid for them and well story over.
They then proceeded to throw glasses and bottles and smash up the bar. ON CHRISTMAS EVE! We had to close and call the police and they were apprehended on Walking Street again. There was a thread within the last few months talking about the Russian people and other business peoples experience. Seems like everyone said the same thing and the posters said that they would not go into a bar where they were allowed. It is terribe and I am sorry for it but we do allow in Russians when it obviously shows that they wont get out of hand

[cdnmatt]

heh, only in gay go-go bars in Thailand would this be a problem, where everyone is all confused, and just doesn't know what to do.

Hire some bouncers like this guy. Problem solved.

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...We do draw from passerbys and we do refuse most Russians ...

Is there something we should know?

:laughing3:

Why do you want to know so much Scotty, is it because you are known to be the wearer of a skirt and not a kilt?

Combat, just how gullible are you?

Just take a moment to think about whether any evidence whatsoever - apart from one person's neurosis - has been advanced which would justify your comment.

Despite what some others say, I have usually found you to be well-balanced (by SGT standards!) - but if you are now relying on the powers of deduction of an unstable go-go bar owner to inform your opinions, then it's time for you to check in to the place below.
And take him with you please. :rolling:

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Now, now Scotty!

You do make some good points Unkie Buckie ,shalom to you and I will still love you no matter what,but I feel several bad eggs shouldn't tarnish everyone.

Do we start on Jewish Rabbi's next,not that you would have any visit your go go,or perhaps you do,but one bad egg doesn't mean they all are.

But yes I too did witness several incidents in your Go Go bar when I went there,.....nearly every night,and they did involve a Russian couple who had purchased their drinks outside at a street vendor and didnt think they should have to buy more inside.

[pennyboy]

Combat. I have seen SG dressed in a kilt as smart as Harry Lauder and I can confirm that he bears no resemblance to the other Jock in a frock who is much better looking :rolling: You really should ignore the rantings of Justme/Unkiebuck.

[stkyricesf]

I think the bottom line is an owner has the right to protect his business and staff and "Reserves the right to refuse service to anyone" :headbang:

I think the bottom line is an owner has the right to protect his business and staff and "Reserves the right to refuse service to anyone" :headbang:


Well maybe we will agree to disagree because i do forget the saying,but it goes something like this first they came for the Jews,then it was the gays,then it was the disabled and next it was you.
Maybe im just a tolerant person,but i like to give people a fair go first regardless of their disability,sex religion age or gender or sexual preferences.
We are all different.Treat others how you would like to be treated.

I will admit that i have a little prejudice against German people,I just sometimes cannot relate to all of them,but that is my perception only.

Seems very academic to me. If you are not SHE, then explain how you came upon all this personal nformation and why you think you have the right to expose it all?
After all, if you did not start by referring to me by name and what I like, I would not have finally agreed and told you to give it a fucking break. This is an annonymous board and I think that anyone except your 3 or 4 sidekicks would have been extremely irate if you had done it to them.
So, come on with it. Who are you?

Combat, just how gullible are you?
Perhaps you remember The Barbican thread from the beginning of April?
If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport combat would be a gold medalist.

Tony, not sure what it is about the Russian people as a member of sc\ociety. maybe its the fact that only recently Russia has allowed them to travel and they dont know how to behave in public. Yes, there are some nice Russian people and we have welcomed them into the bar to watch the show like any other person. But fact still remains that the majority of them are loud, obnoxious and have no manners. We have found that they try to stiff us for drinks, so thaat we must ask for the money when served. When a gay Russian comes in and wants to off a boy, we add it to their bill because the majority try to drastically underpay the boy or try not to pay them at all! In a recent thread, I mentioned that three Russian people (2 men and a woman) came into the bar Christmas eve night). They ordered drinks and then 30 minutes later started arguing with staff that someone on Walking Street said that we had a show. We politely said that the show was over 1 1/2 hours earlier. They demanded a refund. They were told that we are sorry but we did not promise them a show and that they consumed their drinks and paid for them and well story over.
They then proceeded to throw glasses and bottles and smash up the bar. ON CHRISTMAS EVE! We had to close and call the police and they were apprehended on Walking Street again. There was a thread within the last few months talking about the Russian people and other business peoples experience. Seems like everyone said the same thing and the posters said that they would not go into a bar where they were allowed. It is terribe and I am sorry for it but we do allow in Russians when it obviously shows that they wont get out of hand
Quite agree, i was in Pattaya over Xmas/New Year, and there were lots of them, and yes, they behaved like animals, lets hope they find somewhere new for this year, i love the comment about the women plaiting their hair under their arms, the other way to identify the men, is just look for the one with mullet? hair styles, a relic of the 80's, but clearly der riguer in Moscow!

not sure what it is about the Russian people as a member of sc\ociety.
Sojourner007:

I'm originally from Russia but migrated to a Western country more than 20 years ago just before the collapse of the USSR. I've travelled to Russia many times since then and still have a property there. At the same time I've been coming to Pattaya since 1991 and almost call it home now. I thought my take on the topic of this forum may be of value to others.

The first groups of Russian tourists appeared in Pattaya in the earlier 90s. They were mainly small traders who came to Thailand to buy cheap textiles to be sold back in Russia in public markets. Soon young single Russian women also started arriving here on a lookout for rich Western customers and long-term partners. With time Russians were getting wealthier, some by grabbing state assets in the privatization drive, others through criminal enterprise or by working abroad. The type of Russians holidaying here was changing too. Traders and poor ambitions young wenches were replaced by couples and families. As late as 2001-2002 I was still meeting many Russian chicks here who either came for short holidays taking a break from work at nightclubs in Korea and Japan, or directly from Russia in search of foreign husbands who would save them economic misery back at home. They were very much interested in Western guys even of mature age. But as the Western capital poured into Russia rising asset prices and salaries there the girls no longer needed to travel outside their homeland, to speak foreign languages, and to adapt to foreign culture, in order to find a financially secure partner. Consequently in Pattaya numerous girls from Russia available short time and long time were replaced by girls from less fortunate parts of the former USSR, such as Uzbekistan. Real Russian girls have quickly put their 'sinful' past behind them and started looking at aging Western men in Pattaya with righteous contempt.

As oil prices were shot up during 2004-2008 so were the fortunes of Russian populace who started flooding Pattaya during high seasons. I do not think that the tourism statistics from TOT quoted by other members of this forum is not to be trusted. Nowdays the Thailand immigration control is computerized and efficient and the statistics by nationality is easy to compile. The most specific set of numbers from TOT titled "Guest Arrivals at Accommodation Establishments" provides a number of tourists of every nationality in Pattaya. Last time I checked them Russians represented about a third of all tourists in Pattaya during 2008 high season. This high season the share of Russians looks more like 40-50% thanks to fewer Western tourists. The Russian economy is still very much cash based and the stock market investments are not common so most ordinary Russians were not affected by the recent financial crisis. Their tourist numbers dropped last year mainly due to the fear that the world economy was about to collapse and the Thai airport troubles. I think that the Russian standards of living are higher than what the official GDP stat indicates. The share of Russian grey economy could be as high as 50-70% of the official one and if you adjust for that the Russia's GDP per capita will not be that much below the EU figure. In addition Russians are asset-rich thanks to the success of the past socialist policy that provided every family with housing and to the recent real estate boom there. I've read recently that about 5000 Russians live permanently in Pattaya and about 15000 own or rent a property here and now they are even building a Russian church in the town. Most Russian tourists nowadays are indeed well off. A good friend of mine works at the Sheraton Resort on Pratumnak Hill and he told me that from Christmas to the end of January when room prices are at the highest most of the hotel guests are Russians. They also tend to stay at the hotel longer than other nationalities: for a month on average. The hotel even employs a Russian receptionist to cater for them. The Royal Cliff Resort is packed with Russians in high season and provides them with Orthodox church service.

Among educated city-dwelling Russians Pattaya has always had a reputation as a resort for 'racketeers'. Since late nineties my Russian friends in Moscow, who all are university graduates, preferred to stay in Phuket or Samui when holidaying in Thailand. The Russian tourists here today are still the same kind as 10 years ago: either 'proletariat' or mafia type. Most of them come from provincial areas of Ural, Siberia, and the Far East, and not from the European part of Russia. This is reflected in their appearance and manners.

A question of how most Russian tourists come to Pattaya was raised in this forum. I believe that most of them now arrive in Thailand through the Suvanabhumi airport.During high season however many do fly directly to Utapao. The airport's website lists weekly all arriving flights and one can see that most of them are from places like Almaty, Kazakhstan (another fortunate part of the former USSR) or Ekaterinaburg in the Urals.

Another aspect of this forum was about how Russians behave in Pattaya. Bullying is very much a part of the Russian social culture. It is also still very much a macho culture especially in the culturally backward Eastern and Asian parts of the country. Russians see only two categories of men, strong ones and weak ones. 'Strong' means physically and psychologically domineering. Naturally they all try to be in the first category. Being polite and sensitive to needs of others is considered a weakness. That is why you will rarely see a Russian giving way on a narrow path to a pedestrian walking in the opposite direction, or holding a door for someone behind. To some extent Russian women share the same philosophy. You will rarely see Russians thanking staff in restaurants or hotels. A lot of this also comes from the fact Russians in Pattaya made they money quickly through various opportunistic semi-legal business schemes and not by saving from wages for years in employment. They feel superior to all those who are employed in common jobs. There a lot of racism in the insular Russian culture. Ordinary folks consider non-Caucasian races, especially those with colored skin, as inferior. This is one of the reasons why many Russians look at Western males in Pattaya walking with their Thai girlfriends with contempt as at losers who failed to qualify for a Caucasian female.

Russians also tend to reject the idea of paying for sex and there is a well known Russian joke that it was Russians who invented love in order to avoid paying money for sex. I might add to this a popular belief among Russians that their females are the most beautiful in the world. I suspect Western males' infatuation with Russian 'brides' (who indeed became widely available to foreigners during the first decade of hardships after disintegration of the Soviet Union) and a love affair of the international fashion industry with Russian models (who were much cheaper to hire than Western ones) have a lot to do with this. This fed the Russian superiority complex further. The current Russian government actively encourages this attitude through public media and most Russians nowadays are rather more chauvinistic than 10-20 years ago. The cold war attitude is still deeply ingrained in the Russian psychic and most Russians look at the West as a competitor, or even an enemy, in military, economic and cultural global arenas. So if a Western tourist may not think much about the Russian restaurant 'Our Russia' on the top floor of the new Central Pattaya beach shopping centre, to Russians in symbolizes another small victory in Russian expansion in the world. I'm amazed how Russians have changed since 20 years ago. Then most of us in the USSR looked at Westerners and Western culture as superior in every respect. Most Russians are cynical characters and all the Western calls for international co-operation and partnership does not cut much ice with them.

Unfortunately Russians do not hold much respect for old age in their country and as most of the Russians here are younger than the average Pattaya Western tourist or resident they feel again winners. This is because they think they have achieved the same level of living standards as the old Westerners around them but much earlier in life.

Decades of communism and consumer goods shortage have largely rooted ideas of a dress style in Russian population as everyone wore mostly the same drab style of clothes. So even if Russians got money now their fashion sense and taste for outfits stuck somewhere back in the 70s. Ridiculous hats and caps and clashing colours that Russian tourists wear here never stop amusing my Thai girlfriend. She can't help smiling whenever she sees those ladies wearing high heels and extravagant floating dresses and walking along the beach in Pattaya in the middle of a hot day. Russian guys wearing beach shorts together with socks and pointed office shoes cause the same reaction. Despite the funny dress styles, rude behaviour, and arrogance of Russian tourists my experience indicates that Thais actually like them just as much as other farang nationalities. Perhaps it is that to Thais Russians are simply another type of eccentric farang. In my experience Thais are much more annoyed by Indian tourists than Russian ones.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/326 ... try3266316 (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/326029-pattaya-takeover-by-russians/page__st__120__p__3266316#entry3266316)

If you are not SHE....

What' s with the "If" - the last time you posted your theory you seemed quite certain.
In fact if we go back about 2 months, you even posted "my" full name (before jinks deleted it and told you off).
Why the uncertainty now?
Having second thoughts?
You keep on believing whatever you want and I'll keep on pissing myself laughing. :rolling:



....After all, if you did not start by referring to me by name and what I like, I would not have finally agreed and told you to give it a fucking break...

I'm unsure what you mean when you say "I would not have finally agreed" - how could you disagree - I was 100% right - as you well know - and that's what's bugging you, be honest. :rolling:


Now if you want to carry this on there's a thread on the Global Forum for it, as you well know.

:occasion9:

Oh common Scottish. Everyone wants to know your true identity. Dont be bashful, you know you love talking about mine and anyone else's you know something about. Its time we knew yours. Dont hide behind you rparanoia! You claim you are not the one in the frock or her best freind, come on, lets have it now.

Thank you X-Rated for your very informative explanation on why Russian people for the most behave the way they do. I found it most interesting and informative and hopefully now I can understand a little bit more. I hope everyone here feels the same.

[thonglor55]

Thank you X-Rated for your very informative explanation on why Russian people for the most behave the way they do. I found it most interesting and informative and hopefully now I can understand a little bit more. I hope everyone here feels the same.Even I (and as my detractors will tell you I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier) realised that when X-Rated gave another ID at the beginning and a hyperlink to Thaivisa at the end he was, in fact, providing someone else's explanation, not a precis of his autobiography.

[christianpfc]

It's wrong to refuse people for their race/skin colour/sex (I have no problems with women in gay bars), they should only be refused for their behaviour. I think a lot of bad behaviour comes from abuse of alcohol, so maybe drunken people should be refused.

mmmmm good point Christian,it seems some have a few pallet cleansers before they come on here too. :bot:

[pong]

just shed all that. it was/is still very common in backpackThailand to see notes as ""No Israelis''.
In this part of Europe-after so many complaints of tourists to all-in Turkish resorts about the same-style behavior of the Russky, many tr-agencies now advertise their sun+seatrips as ''Russian-free''. Or if they do not, the saturday-tourist-newspapers will tell those interested all about it.
Part of the fun of being in Thald is that all that political correctness hype can be left at home. yes, I know all the contra-arguments etc. Have been to Russia, have been to Ukrayna.
One thing that most forget is they also share the tipical Thai obsession of getting drunk ASAP. But the Russky win-much more experience.
Also Thaild+Rossye have a common agreement that no visa is needed for both sides for normal tourists. That is even more generous from Thailand as practised to the new EU-memberstates like Czech, Polski, Latvia etc. (russians have severe restrictions still due to the many visa thery need to travel to mnay western-countries).

[thonglor55]

... a few pallet cleansers...Is this perhaps the explanation for the Australian phrase for going on an alcoholic binge "to go on the turps"?? Or did or our friend TonyFromCunt69 mean "palate cleansers"?

Thanks Thonglor , yes palate cleansers,im so glad i got you around to look after me,you know i love you.
How about we meet and you can whip me and lock me in the cupboard,save me paying the boy's to do it.

[quote="pong"]just shed all that. it was/is still very common in backpackThailand to see notes as ""No Israelis''.

I still see this "no Israelis" sign around ,what's wrong with Israeli's?
Then again one can see signs around Walking Street,"No arabs,No Indians" etc.

Oh common Scottish. Everyone wants to know your true identity. Dont be bashful, you know you love talking about mine and anyone else's you know something about. Its time we knew yours. Dont hide behind you rparanoia! You claim you are not the one in the frock or her best freind, come on, lets have it now.

I like it just fine the way it is.

Sorry to disappoint.

:occasion9:

Well the4n Scottish as you admit to being a coward, then you should practice what you preach! :occasion9:

Well the4n Scottish as you admit to being a coward, then you should practice what you preach! :occasion9:

Can you elucidate? (hint: www.thefreedictionary.com (http://www.thefreedictionary.com))

:dontknow:

Hmmm lets see. Being a COWARD in my book would mean calling a person by their first name on an annonymous board and indicating everything you know about them and then in return cowering behind the same annonymous board and not wanting your identity revealed. Talking on threads of being stalked by bad people from Boyztown, someone making annonymous calls to you, and hotel clerks not telling you who is stalking you. Posting that people are trying to find out YOUR identity and calling it, well what ever you called it. Yes deaar a coward.
One who makes continuous vicious remarks about almost everyone on the board, and talks about their size,anything personal you know about them and then still you COWARING in the corner when people are actively attempting to solve the identity of scottish-guy.
Lets see, seems to know alot about Prague.
may own a business here or did at one time.
Lived in the Ambiance many years ago and seems to have gotten into a tiff with Madame.
Obviously had some conversations with me but must have been insignificant as I dont recall who you are
hangs around Sunee Plaza,
May have been a tourist but now seems to be an Ex-pat

How are we doing? Anyone from long ago have any ideas? I know that Madame reds this often, maybe we can be pals for a few days and she can give me some guesses?
:sign5: :sign5: :sign5: :sign5:

Oh for fuck's sake , if anyone knows the identity of Scottish Guy pass it onto Unkle Buckie at Happy Place next time you go there ,preferably tonight,so we can go back to talking about Russians ! There Unkle Buckie ! You happy darling.

I would be SO HAPPY! This way I can talk about why he was so insignificant to me!
Oh yes, and by the way, has a "medical background". Souded like Dr T from Bangkok, the plastic surgeon, but she says no. Of course that might be why Madame would be mad at her if it was..... nuff said. :sign5:

Tony, I apologise for your boyfriend's lack of manners.

I have posted my response to him in the Global Forum.

Up the Ruskies!

Well look Unkle Buckie I'll come down tonight as well.........is anyone else going? Happy Place Go Go 11pm tonight .

Why dont we set a time of 11pm and we all can get together on the seats outside your bar and have a exciting time talking about your favourite subject that you keep on ranting on about,im sure we're all going to have a thrilling time.

Cant wait to be there actually....11pm ok.........look if im not there on time,start without me will ya ?

I usually leave at 10:30pm as the show starts but I will be happy to stay and have cock-tails with you and anyone else that would like to cum.
We can discuss Scottish and all things relevant, watch old CCTV also! :sign5:

Oh look I cant wait.....i bet there s gonna be a ton of guys from here turn up there tonight.
Did we say 11pm,any discounts on the drinks for Sawatdee members who say "I love Unkle Buckie and i wanna do the chickendance with him"?

Try to look out for me if you can........I'll be the one with the Russian accent.

One free drink and the rest half price, but I think it will only be you and me cause most of the others tend to a shy. Especially ..... the one I wuv so much! :love4:
I am not sure if I love him most or his client.

Oh look Ukle Buckle as its going to be a thrilling subject we are all going to sit around and talk about,I say get the chairs ready son,there's gonna be shitloads of wooly moofs coming into Happy Place tonight.

So just reiterate,is it 50 percent discount ONLY TONIGHT on the second drink for every sawatdee member who says " Your getting on my nerves Unkie Buckie" and free drinks for anyone who solves your puzzle? Is that what your saying? Unckle buckie?
YOU THERE UNKLE BUCKIE?..............UNKLE BUCKIE ????????? ARE YOU STILL WITH US.............UNKLE BUCKIE?? YOU THERE?

aaaaaaah........that must of done it...I knew it ..as soon as we mention discounts Unkle Buckie has done the flamin runner !

Now we can all go back to talking about.......and I know a lot of you couldn't wait to get back to it..............Russians ! :hello1:

Do you think I ought to drop by? :rolling:

Maybe I'll just mince past the bunch of you sat outside. :rolling:

Or maybe I'll sit in Palmer's and drink a Strongbow whilst I eyeball you all. :rolling: The cashier boy is quite cute, so it won't be a hardship. :rolling:

Keep your eyes open, girls. :sign5:

:rolling:

[dab69]

Quote "Another aspect of this forum was about how Russians behave in Pattaya. Bullying is very much a part of the Russian social culture. It is also still very much a macho culture especially in the culturally backward Eastern and Asian parts of the country. Russians see only two categories of men, strong ones and weak ones. 'Strong' means physically and psychologically domineering. Naturally they all try to be in the first category."


Sounds like old FatBoyBilly?
no wonder no one wants them in their bar