Thai Partner to the USA

[Khor tose]

I am planning to return to the USA for some medical work on my knees. I am planning to take my BF along as a caregiver. I have a note from my Doctor, giving the need and the date of the operation, and his statement that I will need a caregiver. My BF has traveled with me to Europe and several places in Asia, he has a college degree, and his mother is a permanent resident who lives with his American step-father in America. However, do my my wish to travel as much as I do, my BF does not work at this time, but he does have a long work history. Now that you have all our background, can anyone suggest anything else we might need to get him a Visa or prep us to any questions they may ask. Is there a way to overcome his lack of present work. Anything positive would be appreciated.

[dutchkiwi]

I am planning to return to the USA for some medical work on my knees. I am planning to take my BF along as a caregiver. I have a note from my Doctor, giving the need and the date of the operation, and his statement that I will need a caregiver. My BF has traveled with me to Europe and several places in Asia, he has a college degree, and his mother is a permanent resident who lives with his American step-father in America. However, do my my wish to travel as much as I do, my BF does not work at this time, but he does have a long work history. Now that you have all our background, can anyone suggest anything else we might need to get him a Visa or prep us to any questions they may ask. Is there a way to overcome his lack of present work. Anything positive would be appreciated.

immigration is not interesed that he comes as a caregiver, neither the doctor's note will convinse the immigration officer, about his mother, ok, maybe the immigration officer is thinking on family reunion, if this is positive??, long history of work don't matter, what is doing for work at the meantime is imortant. He has to convinse the immigration that he will go back to Thailand for a very good reason, because he has work, or has a bussiness, it could be possible that your bf has to show an big amount of money on his Thai bankaccount, this can also used as a bond

I think the only factor is that you should be his sponsor and responsible for him when he is in the US


I do not know about family reunion, because then your BF has to do it throught his mother/stepfahter, they called that family reunion. So focus should not be on you, but focus should be on his mum, so his mum and he has to organize. Initial you keep out of the whole story.

US has wonderfull website about immigration, try to find a topic about family reunion, may you have luck.



Maybe other forum members has suggestions

[Thai Dyed]

I am planning to return to the USA for some medical work on my knees. I am planning to take my BF along as a caregiver. I have a note from my Doctor, giving the need and the date of the operation, and his statement that I will need a caregiver. My BF has traveled with me to Europe and several places in Asia, he has a college degree, and his mother is a permanent resident who lives with his American step-father in America. However, do my my wish to travel as much as I do, my BF does not work at this time, but he does have a long work history. Now that you have all our background, can anyone suggest anything else we might need to get him a Visa or prep us to any questions they may ask. Is there a way to overcome his lack of present work. Anything positive would be appreciated.

The American Embassy is not interested in you, your need for a caregiver, your doctor, nor your friend's college degree nor his work history unless he held a very high executive post in a large company like Bank of Ayudhya, Siam City Cement or Boon Rawd Brewery. They also like to see something like an ownership of a good size business, along with a big bank account, ownership of an expensive house, a fleet of tuna boats with big export contracts to America or Japan, in other words, serious evidence of his likelihood to return to Thailand. That is 99% of the issue.

The fact that your friend has a relative in America (his mother married to an American step-father) may be viewed as a negative element since it could be viewed as a reason for not returning to Thailand. In fact, that may play against you and I have no idea how to suggest you handle that other than to warn you it is a veritable minefield. That he has traveled to Europe and other Asian countries will be viewed as irrelevant. I can guarantee that.

Unless your friend is in his 50s or 60s, his age will mitigate against him as well. Males in their 20s and 30s are considered least likely to return home.

Didn't you once reveal that you worked for the government in America? You, of all people should fully understand how bizarre (to put it kindly) the mind of an American government bureaucrat is. And if it wasn't bad enough in the past, things since 9/11 took a sharp turn for the worse when far more draconian measures were introduced. A new level of panic has now swept over the Americans in the wake of the death of bin Laden. That has actually made matters far worse for you, not better.

I wonder what the actual figures are for visa refusals at the American Embassy in Thailand. I know in most Asian countries it is about 80%. Immigration officials in the USA are always riding herd over the State Department for being too lenient handing out visas since they claim of that 20% who are successful, half never go back home. These are the odds you are facing.

Instead of all this, why not have your medical work attended to here in Thailand? While you may have to pay for it out of pocket, anything you have done here will be only a small fraction of what it would cost in America and the quality of medical care may in fact be far superior if you do your homework.

Then this issue of "bonds" and "sponsors" has no bearing on an application for a tourist visa to America. It may be applicable if a person is being hired by a big American company like Pfizer or Intel, and even then only under very special terms and conditions.

Good luck, but the reality of the situation suggests that your chances of being successful are almost zero.

If you say that he is coming to help you, its ok but be careful as if you say he will be compensated in any way shape or form, they will call it working and deny you.
Other poster is correct that a relative in the USA is a negative. I have found from some that being honest and saying that he is a concerned B/F works better than trying to hide something. May I suggest you use a Visa company and make sure that you have a fighting chance. Oh, I hope he has a job here, with a letter, and property in HIS name, and about 15,000 - 20,000 in the bank with an ATM card with his name.

Everyone has tried it and we all know what floats and what doesnt. I tried for a serious operation in the US and showed that my b/f was the sole heir. a letter and will from the law office in America. Money in the bank but no property, had a round trip ticket with me escorting him BACK. Still no deal.

Can't you just take him to the US on a tourist visa (3 months I think)? How long are you going to stay in the US? If he has a degree you could get him a student visa in a university (but I imagine that is going to cost a lot). I went to the US on a student visa...for a year...all I had to do is get a letter from the US univesity and go to the consulate in my country a get a student visa (J1 I think).

good luck with your surgery

all the best

[Thai Dyed]

If you say that he is coming to help you, its ok but be careful as if you say he will be compensated in any way shape or form, they will call it working and deny you.
Other poster is correct that a relative in the USA is a negative. I have found from some that being honest and saying that he is a concerned B/F works better than trying to hide something. May I suggest you use a Visa company and make sure that you have a fighting chance. Oh, I hope he has a job here, with a letter, and property in HIS name, and about 15,000 - 20,000 in the bank with an ATM card with his name.

Everyone has tried it and we all know what floats and what doesnt. I tried for a serious operation in the US and showed that my b/f was the sole heir. a letter and will from the law office in America. Money in the bank but no property, had a round trip ticket with me escorting him BACK. Still no deal.

OK, lets take a closer look at this. Even saying the friend is coming with you as a caregiver, that means he is taking a job away from an American caregiver at a time when the real unemployment rate (not the lies based on bogus formulas the government uses to deceive you) is close to 20% in the USA.

A bank account with р╕┐15,000 - р╕┐20,000 is comical. That's $500 - $666. A will can be torn up and a new one written in under an hour. A round trip ticket proves nothing and is cheap.

What might work? The friend being the owner of good property with a Freehold Title deed (Chanote or Nor Sor 4) with a minimum value of р╕┐3,000,000 ($100,000). In addition an existing bank account with about р╕┐1,000,000 to р╕┐3,000,000 that has not been recently deposited. Ownership of a business with a proven track record, that is currently viable and has some genuine value, in other words, not a street stall on Silom or, failing that, a long standing job (3 to 5 years) with a good company at the level of at least junior executive (in other words, something with a future) with documentation to the effect that he has been granted official leave for the exact period specified in writing.

There are other things that may not make all the above necessary, such as the visa seeker coming from a wealthy and influential family, is just one that I can think of. And don't forget for a moment that someone under 40 or 50 is considered to be at high risk for not returning.

The student visa presents its own problems and I know several Thais who have been denied visas to study in America.

I don't know about the visa companies and agencies. I would try to find someone who has used one successfully before I even thought about them. I am going to be curious to see if someone on this forum will step forward and say that they have been successful (and recently so) in this regard and then going on to explain what he thought the reasons for his success have been.

There are other caveats, but that just about covers the main points that I am aware of.

When my BF applied for his tourist visa which he received (10 year multiple entry), I learned that, (even though I was very nervous and thinking about every way to get him approved) the process is really simple. The number one most important rule is BE HONEST, 100% honest. The Embassy is not trying to trick you, they are not in the business of denying visas. They are task with approving visas for those that meet certain criteria, the most important is that they will return from the USA to Thailand.

The USA Embassy website is very clear and helpful. Give truthful information but not more information than they ask. Good luck, and let us know how it works out. I doubt you will have any problem.

[Rene]

I doubt you will have any problem.

Well, there you go Khor tose. See how simple it is? Really simple he says. No problem at all.

[Khor tose]

I doubt you will have any problem.

Well, there you go Khor tose. See how simple it is? Really simple he says. No problem at all.

I hope he is right as many of the replies have been discouraging. However, I obviously did not give enough information. My BF is 29, he owns his own car and has a good bank account (for a Thai). His parents live in Guam (A US possession for those who are not American), so no way to run to them. Finally we asked for a tourist visa and we are truthfully listing ourselves as life partners.

However, I have another question. Has anyone ever been turned down and filed an appeal? I was Treasurer of my Government Union and did work with our state Senator on several issues, and I would not hesitate to ask her for a favor. Has anyone tried to appeal through immigration and involved members of the House or Senate?

I doubt you will have any problem.

Well, there you go Khor tose. See how simple it is? Really simple he says. No problem at all.

That is correct. The process is simple and straight forward. You follow the instructions that are online. Not difficult at all to apply. If anyone meets the requirements listed they should be approved.

Using a broker is not necessary and costly. I think most people have a lot of anxiety when applying. I certainly did when my BF applied. I thought the worst until I went through the process with him.

I do not believe I personally know Khor Tose, so I don't know his BF's situation. However, as I said; I wish him good luck and I doubt his friend will have a problem.

@Rene, do you have any useful advice for him?

[quote="Pattaya Male":399iapfa] I doubt you will have any problem.

Well, there you go Khor tose. See how simple it is? Really simple he says. No problem at all.

I hope he is right as many of the replies have been discouraging. However, I obviously did not give enough information. My BF is 29, he owns his own car and has a good bank account (for a Thai). His parents live in Guam (A US possession for those who are not American), so no way to run to them. Finally we asked for a tourist visa and we are truthfully listing ourselves as life partners.

However, I have another question. Has anyone ever been turned down and filed an appeal? I was Treasurer of my Government Union and did work with our state Senator on several issues, and I would not hesitate to ask her for a favor. Has anyone tried to appeal through immigration and involved members of the House or Senate?[/quote:399iapfa]

I don't believe there is an appeal process. The web site says the decisions are final I believe. But after a period of time he may reapply. I know of 2 people that were turned down (both had known the Thai for a short time) One tried yo use pressure from his Congressman. It was not helpful.

@Khor Tose, When is his interview? You may consider having him wear a suit to the interview and have the information he needs to personally present (Bank records) organized and neatly bound. If he speaks basic English, consider having him do his interview in English.
The only questions my friend was asked was who we were staying with in the US, and how long had he and I been together. He then was asked to give his bank records. They just counted the number of pages. His interview took less than 5 minutes as everything else is listed in the application.

[Koh Samui Luv]

we are truthfully listing ourselves as life partners.


Was "Life Partner" an box that you ticked on the form or did you fill that in? Do you think the Yanks at the embassy are gay friendly enough for that? I'm sure they see it all the time, but not everyone is so happy about it.

I also wonder what the other info on Pattaya Male's BF is? Like how long ago did he get his visa? How old is he? Does he own a home? Does he have a substantial bank account or other assets? What kind of job he listed.

Isn't Pattaya Male the guy who has some business in Thailand, or am I getting him mixed up with someone else? By any chance is the BF his partner? I mean things like that really tip the scales. I don't mean to butt into anyone's business, but some of that info could be a big help to others.

It would also be a big help to us here Khor tose if you would follow up on what you are learning from all this.

I hope its as easy as Pattaya Male says it is. Good luck mate.

[Khor tose]

[quote="Khor tose":gcvcr9yf] we are truthfully listing ourselves as life partners.


It would also be a big help to us here Khor tose if you would follow up on what you are learning from all this.

I hope its as easy as Pattaya Male says it is. Good luck mate.[/quote:gcvcr9yf]

Yes, I will tell you how it comes out. As to the other questions, he speaks perfect English and they do ask you who you are traveling with and who is paying for this trip and his/her relation to the applicant. You do not check but write in your answer to this. Everything is now done on DD160 replacing the old DD156 and DD157. Also we have been together for two year now and have known each other for 4 years.

Thanks for all the good wishes and so far I have learned a lot and changed my letter twice do to the information I have received here

[quote="Khor tose":3s15il3i] we are truthfully listing ourselves as life partners.


Was "Life Partner" an box that you ticked on the form or did you fill that in? Do you think the Yanks at the embassy are gay friendly enough for that? I'm sure they see it all the time, but not everyone is so happy about it.

I also wonder what the other info on Pattaya Male's BF is? Like how long ago did he get his visa? How old is he? Does he own a home? Does he have a substantial bank account or other assets? What kind of job he listed.

Isn't Pattaya Male the guy who has some business in Thailand, or am I getting him mixed up with someone else? By any chance is the BF his partner? I mean things like that really tip the scales. I don't mean to butt into anyone's business, but some of that info could be a big help to others.

It would also be a big help to us here Khor tose if you would follow up on what you are learning from all this.

I hope its as easy as Pattaya Male says it is. Good luck mate.[/quote:3s15il3i]

under relationship you write domestic partner. he got his visa about 2-3 years ago. i believe the embassy employees do not care if you are gay or not. he listed his job as self employed. i have no business in Thailand and never have. i am just normally retired. his bank account has been open for many years. it does not have a large amount of money in it. but many transactions since he pays all the bills through his account. i was not even allowed into the building for the interview. hope this helps

[mahjongguy]

I was able to get my b/f a tourist visa to the U.S. about three years ago. In the letter which I submitted on his behalf I described him as my assistant and caregiver. This was (and is) the truth, and it's a valid basis to request a visa, just as with the many Americans with children who travel with a foreign nanny.

His interview lasted five minutes and mostly consisted of the single question "how did you meet?". He answered "through friends, at a social event". That was the truth, and it was absolutely the sort of answer they needed to hear.

[dutchkiwi]

I wish you all the success, sure most answers were not really pleasant, but it are facts, now you know what for kind of visa he should take and what question you can exept on the ambassey, also the tip of fromal dressing is very usefull.

Please let us know at the end how it worked out.

Dutchie.

[Khor tose]

I wish you all the success, sure most answers were not really pleasant, but it are facts, now you know what for kind of visa he should take and what question you can exept on the ambassey, also the tip of fromal dressing is very usefull.
Please let us know at the end how it worked out.
Dutchie.

My BF prepared all kinds of documentation, and I wrote a letter and attached 10 more pages of documents and they looked at nothing we did. They asked him five questions and then gave him a visa to the US for 10 years. For those that said it would be easy, you are correct. They wanted to know who I was, how long we had been together, if he worked and why not (he is working on an MA locally), why he wanted to go to the US, and how long he would be there. Then the interviewer said, "Thank you and I will send you a visa in 3 days", which they did.

I think they do all their investigations now based on the rather long DD160 form you fill out. If everything is true and correct and you look responsible you get to go, but who really knows. I am just thankful that he got the visa and once again I wish to thank all of you for your help and suggestions.

[Marsilius]

Congratulations! I hope the trip goes well.

Good to hear that he got his visa. As it has been pointed out on a number of occasions if the applicant tells the truth and doesn't try it on it is unusual not to be issued with a visa. I hope all goes well with his trip khor tose.

I was able to get my b/f a tourist visa to the U.S. about three years ago...His interview lasted five minutes and mostly consisted of the single question "how did you meet?". He answered "through friends, at a social event"....

WelI, I've heard a gang-bang called many things, but this is a new one on me.


:occasion9:

Scotty's bf was asked where he met Scotty and replied "in a paper bag shop" he didn't get his visa! :occasion9:

I doubt you will have any problem.

Well, there you go Khor tose. See how simple it is? Really simple he says. No problem at all.

Yes easy! Happy to hear it worked out well

[krobbie]

Choc dee Khor Tose. I wish you both the very best and hope you have a great trip and a speedy recovery after your knee operation.

Long time no see. I will be in BKK from June 30 - July 16. PM if you will be in BKK, okay?

Cheers
krobbie

[cameroncat]

The guys are right about being honest. After that, it's a crap shoot because it's entirely up to the discretion of the interviewer. My ex (who was 25 at the time) had a good job, college education, etc. He just told the interviewer he wanted to go to USA to see his BF's country. They didn't want to see my letter, only the letter from his employer saying he was granted a two week vacation. The interview lasted about 3 minutes and he got a 10 year visitors Visa. Other Thai guys I've known with the same background have been denied. They won't even tell you why. I do think the fact that he asked to be interviewed in English might have helped.. Who knows? :dontknow: