Looking for private place to stay near Sunee & Boyztown

[markette]

Hi guys,

new to the board, but I've been reading for a while. I need advice on a good place to stay, at a walking distance from both Sunee and Boyztown.

I like as much privacy as I can get when I bring my company home, so I want a place without a reception or security guards in the evening, and without security cameras. I'm thinking some sort of small guesthouse. I stayed at Baan Dok Mai before, but I heard they now have security cameras. I don't intend to do anything illegal, I just want privacy.

Any suggestions appreciated,

Markette

[Thai Dyed]

Hi guys,

new to the board, but I've been reading for a while. I need advice on a good place to stay, at a walking distance from both Sunee and Boyztown.

I like as much privacy as I can get when I bring my company home, so I want a place without a reception or security guards in the evening, and without security cameras. I'm thinking some sort of small guesthouse. I stayed at Baan Dok Mai before, but I heard they now have security cameras. I don't intend to do anything illegal, I just want privacy.

Any suggestions appreciated,

Markette


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Stop by this address or give them a ring and they will be able to help you find the kind of place you are looking for:

304 Moo10, Nongprue, Banglamung, Chonburi 20150, tel: (038) 424 186, 420 802-5


Evil man :hello1:

[bao-bao]

I like as much privacy as I can get when I bring my company home, so I want a place without a reception or security guards in the evening, and without security cameras. I'm thinking some sort of small guesthouse. I stayed at Baan Dok Mai before, but I heard they now have security cameras. I don't intend to do anything illegal, I just want privacy.

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[Beachlover]

I'm thinking some sort of small guesthouse.
God only knows why you're so keen on no reception, security guards or cameras or if you're just taking the piss...

In my experience most small guesthouses in Pattaya, which don't don't have their reception desk open 24hrs will have a security guard who lets you in and out after hours.

[thonglor55]

In my experience most small guesthouses in Pattaya, which don't don't have their reception desk open 24hrs will have a security guard who lets you in and out after hours.Well, there we have it, conclusive proof that Beachlover is an habitue of Pattaya, having experience of most of Pattaya's small guest houses. This flatly denies Surfcrest's allegations that the guy never visits Thailand.

[markette]

Hi guys,

thanks for the replies so far - apparently I was not clear enough the first time when I said I did not intend to do anything illegal.

I often bring 3-4 boys to my room in one night, and I just hate to go past reception/security every single time, I am a little shy that way. I do not like my comes and goes to be on camera either - hence my question.

Thanks for more constructive answers!

[fedssocr]

I think the desk and security staff have seen it all, so bringing a group back isn't likely to raise too many eyebrows. It's for your safety that they are around.

[lonelywombat]

Hi guys,

thanks for the replies so far - apparently I was not clear enough the first time when I said I did not intend to do anything illegal.

I often bring 3-4 boys to my room in one night, and I just hate to go past reception/security every single time, I am a little shy that way. I do not like my comes and goes to be on camera either - hence my question.

Thanks for more constructive answers!

I would suggest that the fact you are bringing 3-4 boys back to a hotel known by the boys to have no security, is extremely dangerous. If you are attacked then CCTV can prove most valuable. You are looking for trouble.

[newalaan]

I often bring 3-4 boys to my room in one night, and I just hate to go past reception/security every single time, I am a little shy that way. I do not like my comes and goes to be on camera either -I can kind of understand the going past reception bit, as it can also be 'uncomfortable' for the guys too, (although as fedssocr said they've really seen everything before, no big deal)but I'm just not understanding the CCTV cameras bit. Sometimes this footage is not even looked at unless a reason is needed, most places you can't even obviously see the cameras.

You already mentioned Baan Dok Mai,as a good option. Mosaik is another reasonably priced option where you have your own key to come and go, and if you are taking back 3-4 boys their 1 bed apartment is VERY roomy indeed. Yes they do have CCTV and occasionally security have a stroll round, but they also have annexe's away from the main building where the Standard rooms and apartments are, but even being as shy as you claim what on earth can you be shy about cameras which are neither 'in your face' or probably do not have anybody checking them real time?


I would suggest that the fact you are bringing 3-4 boys back to a hotel known by the boys to have no security, is extremely dangerous. If you are attacked then CCTV can prove most valuable. You are looking for troubleMy comments above lead to this, Lonelywombat is spot on with regards to your situation, and there is no exaggeration either. Unless you know the boys VERY well over a long period of time, you are taking a very big and real chance. Even if you have known the boys before, guys working the bars when they get in amongst the drug usage can be unpredictable. There is one member here who also posts on the other gay forums who was attacked by a boy he knew back in his condo room. There were two in the attack, and the westerner was very seriously injured.

As others have said you are asking for trouble. Plenty of places with no reception and own key, but seeking out places without any security whatsoever is madness.

[lonelywombat]

I had a very chilling PM.

" most expats think of flying farang as--

a girl friend who wants to get rid of farang.
similar for gay men and BF.
bar boys or bar girls looking for easy money for drugs from a drunken or timid farang.
police or pimps trying to blackmail. "

The bit I did not like was, say you stay at Mosaik or any other 3/4 story building, and you dont agree to demands for money for drugs, 3/4 stories is enough to break your neck.

What you do is at your own risk. You are playing with fire.

[Brad the Impala]

And I've heard the roads in Thailand can be quite dangerous too, so probably best not to go out at all.

Don't know why everyone's lecturing this guy who asked a simple question. I read his comment to mean anyway that he might take four guys back over the course of an evening, so perhaps consecutively rather than simultaneously.

Sorry but I haven't been to Pattaya in a while so have no up to date knowledge of this, however agree with others that you shouldn't worry about the cctv, it's not as if there is likely to be anyone monitoring it. Perhaps a room in one of the places that give you your own key to a side entrance door might afford most privacy. Or perhaps you should think of using short time rooms in the bars.

[cdnmatt]

I can kind of understand the going past reception bit

I can understand the reception bit, as I don't like having reception either. Even if it was just a business trip, or vacation, if I was spending 3 or more days, I'd generally always try to get a furnished apartment instead. I just prefer not to have reception watching me go about my day. You pickup some things in town, and as walking by, they'll poke their head up and stare at your bags. They don't need to see what I'm buying, eating, drinking, that I went out and got food at 3am, that I woke up at 2pm, whether or not I'm wearing the same shirt as yesterday, etc. I have nothing to hide, but I don't like people watching me like that.

As to the OP, Kim and myself were skipping around to different rooms at least once a week for a couple months, and the only place I can think of is OS House. Start at Tuckom, and walk to Soi Buchaow. Close to the beginning, on the left hand side you'll see a Marina Inn hotel. Just across the street from that hotel, beside a restaurant is a place called OS House. Huge rooms, old but clean, 600 baht/night. The owner lives there, but at night she disappears into her living quarters, and you just have a keycard to get in.

As for CCTV, I don't know, but I would imagine they have them. They'd be pretty stupid not too. Even though there's no reception at night, it is Soi Buchaow, so there'll be about 50 people seeing you at any given time. Your best bet is to probably rent a house.

The where and why are obvious. Be careful!

[newalaan]

And I've heard the roads in Thailand can be quite dangerous too, so probably best not to go out at all. Don't know why everyone's lecturing this guy who asked a simple question. I read his comment to mean anyway that he might take four guys back over the course of an evening, so perhaps consecutively rather than simultaneously.Having re-read his second post I think you are correct in that he is looking to take back 3-4 boys, one at a time as opposed together.

But sorry Brad, to be honest on this occassion I think you are being a bit glib with the traffic example. I would have probably thought along the same lines as you a few years ago. But I now know enough previously innocent nice guys either in, or who know guys close to those who make up part of the Pattaya 'underbelly' to realise there is a whole other way of life going on among the gay/gay for pay scene in Pattaya.

So much of it now is to do with drug habits. Even though I steer completely clear of any possible hassles and have a bf now, I have seen enough incidents and heard of so many more through reliable guys who have been in Pattaya for years to know there is some real dangerous individuals out there nowadays, and more especially as things are so tight in terms of spare money for drug habits etc.. That is when unpredictable guys get desperate. Mock all you want with regards to being over-cautious, but i personally think that is a very very niave and short-sighted stance to take. Normal nice guys in the bar trade even know to be careful about the company they keep. You maybe take for granted the nice guys who make up the majority of those in the trade, but when someone is overdue with a loan repayment they are very much more likely to take a chance, and who better with a lone farang living in a place with little or no security.

Normal precautions take care of opportunists, but why take a chance over and above this for the sake of just being 'camera shy?

Having re-read his second post I think you are correct in that he is looking to take back 3-4 boys, one at a time as opposed together.(quote)newalaan

I don't think it is the number of boys that interests him as he states but rather the kind of "Boy" he might prefer!

[newalaan]

I don't think it is the number of boys that interests him as he states but rather the kind of "Boy" he might prefer!No, he has quite clearly stated it is the number of boys! Perhaps you have spotted something in his post which strikes a chord with your very own 'kind of boy' preferences, but best not to judge everybody by yourself, we don't really want to avail ourselves of any of your 'inside' information or experience in 'boy kinds', keep them and your boy fantasies to yourself.

By the way, are you a demented refugee from the gaybutt blog? If so please don't bother transporting gaybuttblog thinking over here, you won't have any control freak protection a-la-ironfist delusion on this forum.

Newalaan, the only fantasies here appear to be yours!

[joe552]

I can't imagine why anyone would need to stay in a place without CCTV. What is there to hide? Nobody cares if you entertain 2, 3 or 4 different boys every day. I've jumped to a conclusion about the OP, and it's not a nice one. Always ready to be proved wrong.

[kittyboy]

And I've heard the roads in Thailand can be quite dangerous too, so probably best not to go out at all. Don't know why everyone's lecturing this guy who asked a simple question. I read his comment to mean anyway that he might take four guys back over the course of an evening, so perhaps consecutively rather than simultaneously.

I think Brad got it dead right...If a guy wants privacy it is his matter and decision.
It may or may not be a dangerous decision. Individuals are very bad at evaluating risk they use heuristics and biases to evaluate risk which often skew the perception of the true underlying risk.

A few years ago a couple of guys named Kahneman and Tversky did a series of studies and as I recall one of them asked people "if you traveled to the middle east would you be at greater risk of dying in a terrorist attack or a car crash". The majority of people said a terrorist attack as that is what people here and or see in the media....the answer of course is that the greater risk is dying in a car crash.

An analogy can be drawn to Pattaya....we hear stories about people getting drugged, robbed and even murdered by the prostitute class of pattayas night entertainment venues. These are big events that stick in your mind but in reality do not represent a large risk as it happens infrequently enough to warrant a big new write up while the number of dead thais and farang carrion lying on the side of the road as the result of crazy third world driving...oh sorry developing nation driving....quickly fills the morgue every month and barely gets a mention in the media because it is so common.

My advice is to generally ignore advice and get a place with no cctv cameras (if that is your preference) and avoid all forms of motorized travel...and you will be fine as long as you use common sense.

Do tell us about your adventures...

[Beachlover]

I don't think it is the number of boys that interests him as he states but rather the kind of "Boy" he might prefer!
By the way, are you a demented refugee from the gaybutt blog? If so please don't bother transporting gaybuttblog thinking over here...
Yes, Man4AllSeasons is "Undaunted"... He's been deleted from SGT over 15 times with handles like "hereforme", "happyboy" and "bornagain".



I don't think it is the number of boys that interests him as he states but rather the kind of "Boy" he might prefer!Perhaps you have spotted something in his post which strikes a chord with your very own 'kind of boy' preferences...
I think he's thinking about his buddy, LMTU...

[Beachlover]

I would suggest that the fact you are bringing 3-4 boys back to a hotel known by the boys to have no security, is extremely dangerous. If you are attacked then CCTV can prove most valuable. You are looking for trouble.
I totally agree. The same goes with ANY stranger. Anytime I'm inviting local gay boys I chat up back to my place in a foreign country, I prefer to stay in a good hotel/apartment with a good staff/security presence in case something goes wrong. This kind of shit only needs to happen once to be a terminal problem...

You should always be conscious of the risks you're taking in a foreign country inviting any stranger back to your place. Especially a poorer country like Thailand. Even MORE so in Pattaya where there are so many dodgy people and druggies. It seems a good number of farang end up dead or injured for some reason or another there.

CCTV is a useful post-incident tool but I think its most important role is as a deterrent to crime. It doesn't get viewed or distributed unless something actually happens.


I just hate to go past reception/security every single time, I am a little shy that way.
On my first trip to Thailand, I was a little shy about inviting a boy back to my place too but seriously... In Pattaya, of all places, they won't bat an eyelid. It's all pretty normal to them. Just smile and walk past each time.

In Pattaya, I've seen farang come back to their rooms via reception with 2-3 boys in tow... smiles all around. Nothing out of the ordinary. Pattaya is as sleazy as it gets. It's a nut town. Locals don't bat an eyelid when they see a nut case in a nut town.

I can't imagine why anyone would need to stay in a place without CCTV. What is there to hide? Nobody cares if you entertain 2, 3 or 4 different boys every day.(quote)Joe552

That sums it all up!

[kittyboy]

I can't imagine why anyone would need to stay in a place without CCTV. What is there to hide? Nobody cares if you entertain 2, 3 or 4 different boys every day.(quote)Joe552

That sums it all up!

I thought the phrase "Up to you" sums it all up in thailand.
or is that just the thai people...do farang get a special royal dispensation from that attitude?

I can't imagine why anyone would need to stay in a place without CCTV. What is there to hide? Nobody cares if you entertain 2, 3 or 4 different boys every day.(quote)Joe552

That sums it all up!

I thought the phrase "Up to you" sums it all up in thailand.
or is that just the thai people...do farang get a special royal dispensation from that attitude?



Yes!

[thonglor55]

This thread exemplifies two of the Forum's most persistent activities:
* Identity-spotting - who the poster "really" is - Forum Specialist: Beachlover
* Exegesis - what the poster "really" means - Forum Specialist: newalaan

[cameroncat]

"3 or 4 boys at a time" ! If the boys don't kill you, the heart attack certainly will! LOL.

[lonelywombat]

I posted this link to another thread as well, on sawatdee. After reading the last few posts I think it is relevant here in case the OP does not read all threads,

This is from a guy who was drugged and robbed. He is not a newbie to Thailand and he spells out the precautions he took whilst the boy was in his room. It still happened and he was passed out for 6 hours.

http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic. ... 54&start=0 (http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2854&start=0)

[bucknaway]

In this case, I won't judge and I don't care. If the man wants to find a place that does not record his coming and going than who are we to beat him up over it. He is a grown man making grown-up decisions.

If I knew of a place that fits his needs I would tell him about it and move on. But since I can't do that I can suggest that he invest in a trench coat, Dark Glasses and a wide brim hat.

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[thonglor55]

This is from a guy who was drugged and robbed.It is actually from a guy who was robbed after he passed out with the boy still in the room. There is NO evidence that he was drugged. I have had a number of viral attacks where I have passed out, at times unable to move very much for 24 hours or more. As the guy states quite clearly, he neither ate nor drank while with the boy; he sought no medical assistance.

I agree.After reading the post there is absolutely no evidence the boy was involved.
According to the OP(incidentally the post is on another gay forum)the facts are he did not drink or eat anything with the boy,he wasn't jabbed with a syringe nor took any kind of drugs.
So how do you blame the boy he called to his room?

The OP states he was "sucking cock" so is it possible the scenario that a "drug" of some sort, liquid or otherwise in fact could be dabbed on the nipples and penis to sedate someone?
Is there a Pharmacist or Doctor in the house that could explain if this is possible?

[lonelywombat]

LMTU posted this a few hours ago. It is cut and paste without any comment


There is an ANTIDOTE called Flumazenil, FLUMAZENIL PREPARATION, Flumazepil to the date rape I have heard quite a few time of Guys being knocked out and robbed by Effects of Rohypnol, but where you going to find that at 4am when you might wake up if youтАЩre lucky.

Usually it is smeared on nipples and cock or pass via mouth, then after about 20 minutes if not sooner your slowly pass out, in some cases its good you do as you may even be killed with such a desperate person who is ruthless enough to do this to get money, Rape is the last thing on their mind.

ItтАЩs the aftermath of desperation and not knowing that hits the victim and some will even need strong counseling, I have know some guys to have flash backs for quite a while after.
Some guys are even raped as well as have their belongings stolen, this is one of the reason to make sure you book into a hotel or condo with cameras or a reception to make sure the things are lessoned and you have some come back. another guy I know of had f├жces dumped on his face also, some kind of power trip.
About half felt so stupid they rarely want to involve the police and take the loss on the chin for the perpetrator to do it again and again.

It really must be horrendous to know you have been through such a delemer, but remember there are far worst things that could have happened and you live to learn and enjoy another guy, who with your new found lessons, will hopefully not be able to smear drugs on their bodies or spike your drinks.
http://www.emsvillage.com/articles/article.cfm?ID=286

It really must be horrendous to know you have been through such a delemer, but remember there are far worst things that could have happened and you live to learn and enjoy another guy, who with your new found lessons, will hopefully not be able to smear drugs on their bodies or spike your drinks. http://www.emsvillage.com/articles/article.cfm?ID=286I must have missed the bit about how he learned to recognise that a boy has smeared drugs on his body. Could you highlight that bit for me lonelywombat? Because that's where we learn the lesson, right?

[lonelywombat]

I must have missed the bit about how he learned to recognise that a boy has smeared drugs on his body. Could you highlight that bit for me lonelywombat? Because that's where we learn the lesson, right?

The cut and paste of LMTU was from the same thread at gaybutton. It is a very busy thread,
http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic. ... 54&start=0 (http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2854&start=0)

[thonglor55]

So basically lonelywombat you're saying that there is a tasteless, odorless drug that a boy can spread on his skin that won't affect the boy but has the effect of knocking his customer out AND it has been reported in use exactly once? Please confirm that that is what you are saying. If not, what are you saying, because in summary that is the only inference that can be drawn from the "extensive thread" you keep referring to.

[lonelywombat]

I have made a point of not claiming anything. It was a thread that IMHO deserved to be bought to the attention of members here.

You have expressed your own opinion. perhaps others might not agree .

[Patexpat]

I certainly remember reading of cases in Pattaya whereby a punter had been rendered unconscious after their lady/ladyboy pickup had smeared something on their nipples. Stress this is from a media report so no warranty implied!

[Shuee]

A good place with nice rooms is a guest house in sunee called Eldorado, opposite the new pool here, its also a restaurant too in the daytime, but you have a private side entrance & your own key also, resturant closed later in the evening obviously.
It may have CCTV (working) here but thatтАЩs just for your protection which seems like you may need if bringing groups back.

Its no problem bringing back whoever you wish here though, ive seen a youngish tall german guy with blond hair, who brings many boys back here, & in the daytime also.

[joe552]

Lonelywombat, is there a point in reproducing a cut and paste from LMTU - not the most coherent of posters on any forum. I certainly couldn't read more than a couple of lines without giving up.

Another "semi private" guesthouse is Blue Dolphin in the Day Night area opposite the old Cat's Go Go.
I guess they maybe have CCTV however im not sure,but once their restaurant closes then it is very quiet around that area.

You could also try walking around the back parts of Soi Yensabai,up towards the Happy Boys Go Go, but a lot further into the back sois there are a lot of shophouses with "room for rent" on top and many of these are in dark small sois(side streets)
I really think the only way to find a private room is to come here and do a walk around yourself.

[lonelywombat]

Lonelywombat, is there a point in reproducing a cut and paste from LMTU - not the most coherent of posters on any forum. I certainly couldn't read more than a couple of lines without giving up.


Normally I would agree but the " painting of the nipples with a clear and tasteless drug" and that LMTU had cut and pasted an article rather than post an opinion, is the reason I did so. I thought it valid information and useful to the browsers, that only read and do not post.

There has been suggestions this has occurred in straight bars, one of the boys has been identified as the "friend" and gaybutton is deleting posts that attempt the identity of the perp, on gayromeo.

The thread just 24 hours old has attracted 52 responses, LMTU is in there but so are others of different character. There are some wild suggestions as well but it makes for a thoughtful read. You dont have to agree.

http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewforum. ... ce721a4062 (http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=85b7f39272ad9ae0c21aacce721a4062)

[thonglor55]

You have expressed your own opinion. perhaps others might not agree .That would be outrageous behavior :rolling: