Set price ahead of time?

[asdsrfr-old]

Last time I was in Thailand if you got together with someone the whole tip was "up to you" --though there were accepted norms for tipping.I see several references here about agreeing to a price ahead of time. Is this new? I know that in those saunas in Brazil you are definitely expected to set a price ahead and in some cases write it down and have the guy sign it!

Is this what's happening in Thailand?

[arsenal]

Agree a price beforehand.

... in Brazil you are definitely expected to set a price ... write it down and have the guy sign it!

I would go further and have a lawyer draw up a contract - if only to use phrases like "The part of the first Party is hereby contracted be be joined with part of the second Party's parts".

:laughing3:

[pong]

NO, there have not been any noteworthy changes in that respect. It is-like so many things in LOS-a thing of personal ideas. And even written and contrasigned contracts mean little to Thai (555=ha,ha,ha).
In the many years I took off boys from bars I never ever did it (make out a price beforehand). At the start I followed the recommendations of the then TMOT-book series (The men of Thailand, by mr./ Eryc Allyn)-which was way before there was an accessible www. Then some webistes started-and the whealthy posters on them on the subject of ''thao rai=how muth'' always quoted way more as I was ever used to.
BUT; there is also no set universal price. As in this whole world, there are cheap and average and expensive shops (the latter claiming they offer better quality) and there are also slack and busy times. And you deal with human beings, who all have their own set of ideas too. Not much different as the price of a plate of khaow phat=fly lice (aka fried rice): can be had for 25, 30, 40, 80, till 100.000 bt. The contents on the plate will hardly differ, but surroundings, atmosfere, etc. will.
The only cases where I would rec. agreeing on a price (in my case that would be like any Thai would do: just tell them how muth for what-and only offer take it or leave it), should only be done:
a. for renting streetside boys (the old 500 is still enough for Saran Rom area)
b. when you intend to offer far less as the usual amount. He will still be free to take or reject.
and c-but my experience has not gone into that: for the super**** precious and really tested high quality boys in some places-these guys wont do go-go and have their agendas prebooked for monthes ahead- andlikely high set prices too.

[netrix]

I see several references here about agreeing to a price ahead of time. Is this new?

No it's not new, cheapskate fat-old-ugly-farangs have always been around.

set a price ahead of time? the answer is no. never.

[Beachlover]

I see several references here about agreeing to a price ahead of time. Is this new?

No it's not new, cheapskate fat-old-ugly-farangs have always been around.

set a price ahead of time? the answer is no. never.

What does setting a price ahead of time have to do with being fat, old, ugly or a cheapskate?

[netrix]

What does setting a price ahead of time have to do with being fat, old, ugly or a cheapskate?

ok you're right. i should have just said "cheapskate." fat, old, and ugly is usually a prerequisite for farangs in the gogo bars.

[Beachlover]

fat, old, and ugly is usually a prerequisite for farangs in the gogo bars.
So by your statement that includes you then.


i should have just said "cheapskate."
What does setting a price ahead of time have to do with being a cheapskate?

[netrix]

fat, old, and ugly is usually a prerequisite for farangs in the gogo bars.
So by your statement that includes you then.
I said usually. I'm an exception ;)


i should have just said "cheapskate."

What does setting a price ahead of time have to do with being a cheapskate?
really? why else would anyone haggle a $30 hooker into taking a lower tip? "up to you" is the way
a moneyboy gets to try and save a little face in an awkward situation. everyone knows the going rate
or they can easily find out. anyone who has any respect at all for the boy will not humiliate him by trying
to save a few baht. funny though that it's usually the old/fat/ugly ones that try to make deals when they're
the ones who should be paying double or triple.

[cdnmatt]

really? why else would anyone haggle a $30 hooker into taking a lower tip? "up to you" is the way
a moneyboy gets to try and save a little face in an awkward situation. everyone knows the going rate
or they can easily find out. anyone who has any respect at all for the boy will not humiliate him by trying
to save a few baht.

Yeah, gotta agree there. Can't really imagine sitting in a go-go bar with a cute guy beside me in nothing but tight, white briefs and haggling over $5 or $10 for his body.

[Beachlover]

really? why else would anyone haggle a $30 hooker into taking a lower tip? "up to you" is the way
a moneyboy gets to try and save a little face in an awkward situation. everyone knows the going rate
or they can easily find out. anyone who has any respect at all for the boy will not humiliate him by trying
to save a few baht. funny though that it's usually the old/fat/ugly ones that try to make deals when they're
the ones who should be paying double or triple.
Fair enough, but you're going to offend a lot of people here (not me) if you dump everyone who visits a gogo bar and agrees to the price in advance into the "cheap", "old", "fat", "ugly" basket.

There's a difference between haggling and setting a price in advance. You assume anyone who does this is out to screw each gogo boy down to the last baht. Some people like to set expectations. They might offer 2,000 baht in advance. They might offer 1,000. And it doesn't mean they won't tip extra on top of the agreed price after the event.

Yes, set the price before you do the deed. I like to say something like, "I will give you 800 baht for XXX. IF I am happy, I will give you 1000 baht. If I am very happy I will give you 1200 baht. If I am SUPER happy I will give you 1500 baht." I tell him what I want to do to him and what I want him to do to me. He can either agree and follow through on his word or he can decline, no problem. What he CAN'T do is say one thing in the bar, THEN refuse to do the agreed upon action in private. If that happens, I don't pay him, I go back to the bar and complain to the Captain or Owner. In 9 years, this has only happened once to me. It was several years ago with a new boy from Tawan who didn't know me, I went back to the bar and complained. I got my off fee back, a free drink and the boy ( I later found out ) was disciplined by being banned from the bar for a week. As far as I'm concerned that is good business. I'm not looking for a relationship, I understand that it is a business transaction. I will keep my word and pay what I say I will pay, the boy should do his part and keep his word also.

ajarntrade

[latintopxxx]

I always agree explictely on the service I expect( anal, rent boy bottoms), the time (at least 3 hours) and set the price...its a business transactions... not a date.
I'm a self employed contractor and certainly have to perform, why should a rent boy expect differently??? and if he doesn't perform out he goes....same goes for gogo or street numbers...oh and 1500 is the most I ever had to pay for 3 hours...

[Beachlover]

Nice to see you back latintoxxx... Used to find your posts entertaining, even if they were controversial sometimes.

Hey, are you a latin guy? I think they're hot. Next hottest race after Asians (for me, personal taste only) :D

[latintopxxx]

been awfully busy last 4 months...landed two new contracts and shifted countries...kinda neglected the forum....latin, Brazilian/Portuguese actually...

I always agree explictely on the service I expect( anal, rent boy bottoms), the time (at least 3 hours) ...

THREE HOURS?????

Do you have erectile dysfunction? Does it take you 2 hours to get it up?

Could you not try taking the Viagra BEFORE you start the contract negotiations, so that you are in a fit state to perform right away should he agree to your Terms & Conditions?

Ever helpful.

:occasion9:

[netrix]

... I tell him what I want to do to him and what I want him to do to me. ... What he CAN'T do is say one thing in the bar, THEN refuse to do the agreed upon action in private. If that happens, I don't pay him, I go back to the bar and complain to the Captain or Owner. In 9 years, this has only happened once to me. It was several years ago with a new boy from Tawan who didn't know me, I went back to the bar and complained. I got my off fee back, a free drink and the boy ( I later found out ) was disciplined by being banned from the bar for a week. As far as I'm concerned that is good business. I'm not looking for a relationship, I understand that it is a business transaction.

wow, you're exactly the kind of farang i wish i could be!
so which are you -- fat, old, or ugly? just curious.

[Diec]

I have to agree with arjentrade, I work very hard for my money (I manage a multi million dollar company) and if I purchase something that is defective, I would like to get my money back. And as for this saving face crap, the bar should be the one saving face for peddling defective and/or lying prostitutes. I'm sure there are many here who would just go ahead and pay the boy off (and probably give taxi fare) and be done with it. I find it foolish to pay money for something and not get the something your paying for. What surprises me most is that most who contribute on this board either own or run multi million dollar companies, I don't know how they do it and yet don't mind getting ripped off in their personal life.

[netrix]

I have to agree with arjentrade, I work very hard for my money (I manage a multi million dollar company) and if I purchase something that is defective, I would like to get my money back. And as for this saving face crap, the bar should be the one saving face for peddling defective and/or lying prostitutes. I'm sure there are many here who would just go ahead and pay the boy off (and probably give taxi fare) and be done with it. I find it foolish to pay money for something and not get the something your paying for. What surprises me most is that most who contribute on this board either own or run multi million dollar companies, I don't know how they do it and yet don't mind getting ripped off in their personal life.

so sexy! i want you.

[cdnmatt]

I don't know how they do it and yet don't mind getting ripped off in their personal life.

Because we're not heartless enough to bitch & complain to a poverty stricken prostitute on the other side of the world over $30.

And I don't get how people don't understand going to a go-go bar in Sunee Plaza, Pattaya, getting drunk, and picking up a hooker isn't considered "business". It's a night out to enjoy yourself. That's a bit different than having a conference call with a client in LA, don't you think?

I have to agree with arjentrade, I work very hard for my money (I manage a multi million dollar company) and if I purchase something that is defective, I would like to get my money back. And as for this saving face crap, the bar should be the one saving face for peddling defective and/or lying prostitutes. ....


I think it was Oscar Wilde who said " ..A man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing"

This description fits Diec perfectly.

He ought to be grateful that ANYBODY would fuck him instead of bickering about Value for Money!

:occasion9:

[netrix]

And I don't get how people don't understand going to a go-go bar in Sunee Plaza, Pattaya, getting drunk, and picking up a hooker isn't considered "business". It's a night out to enjoy yourself. That's a bit different than having a conference call with a client in LA, don't you think?

THANK YOU! hahaha i'm so glad somebody said this.

[Beachlover]

been awfully busy last 4 months...landed two new contracts and shifted countries...kinda neglected the forum....latin, Brazilian/Portuguese actually...

Cool... that's a good looking mix.


THREE HOURS????? Do you have erectile dysfunction? Does it take you 2 hours to get it up?
Hey, come on. Anywhere between one to three hours is pretty good for getting to know someone... What's the point in going home with someone you really like and then coming after 20 minutes?



I don't know how they do it and yet don't mind getting ripped off in their personal life.

Because we're not heartless enough to bitch & complain to a poverty stricken prostitute on the other side of the world over $30.

And I don't get how people don't understand going to a go-go bar in Sunee Plaza, Pattaya, getting drunk, and picking up a hooker isn't considered "business". It's a night out to enjoy yourself. That's a bit different than having a conference call with a client in LA, don't you think?
N.b. Diec's a troll. Nothing he says is true. He just takes the piss out of everything. :occasion9:

[Diec]

I don't know how they do it and yet don't mind getting ripped off in their personal life.

Because we're not heartless enough to bitch & complain to a poverty stricken prostitute on the other side of the world over $30.

And I don't get how people don't understand going to a go-go bar in Sunee Plaza, Pattaya, getting drunk, and picking up a hooker isn't considered "business". It's a night out to enjoy yourself. That's a bit different than having a conference call with a client in LA, don't you think?

So money exchanging hands for the promise of a service (which may or may not happen) is not a business transaction, it's all part of the fun. It's only $30...the benevolence of the people on this board never ceases to amaze me. I don't get ripped off for goods in my country and I definitely don't fly half way around the globe to get ripped off either. If the prostitutes don't deliver as promised, then they are in the wrong "business" and should try something else, not get rewarded for not completing the job promised.

And for scotty, (who somehow has lost all of his clever wit (well, he thought it was clever) lately) here's a couple for you:

A fool and his money...you seem astute, I'm sure you know the rest.
A sucker born every minute.

I'll be waiting for your clever retort scotty, you too beachbore, I know how you love to post even though you truly never have anything of interest to say.

[netrix]

So money exchanging hands for the promise of a service (which may or may not happen) is not a business transaction, it's all part of the fun. It's only $30...the benevolence of the people on this board never ceases to amaze me. I don't get ripped off for goods in my country and I definitely don't fly half way around the globe to get ripped off either. If the prostitutes don't deliver as promised, then they are in the wrong "business" and should try something else, not get rewarded for not completing the job promised.

nobody said anything about "getting ripped off" except you.
the topic of the thread you're ranting in is "Set price ahead
of time?" and I'm the one who said "no, never," so you can
bitch at me.

here's why you don't have any luck with the guys you meet
in the gogo bars...because you're a douche.

try treating a guy with some human respect and instead of
being a dickwad, try just having a good time and you'll be
amazed at how fun and accomodating the boys can be...
even if you are a fat/old/ugly cunt.

if you're the kind of guy that just absolutely has to make
sure the poor money boy you bribe into going with you will
suck your toes and do everything else you insist on, then go
ahead and ask him politely in the bar. if he brings up the
price then you can agree or not. if he doesn't then it's up to
you. but i don't give a fuck if he agrees in writing to let you
fist him 'til next tuesday if you pay him a bazillion baht, that
doesn't give you the right to treat him like shit.

why are you so hung up on getting ripped off??? has it happened
to you? and if so, and if it's more than once, have you considered
that maybe you are the common denominator?

maybe you stink. maybe you're rude. maybe you're disgusting
in bed.

it's always the losers who can't get laid in their own country to
save their life who bitch about the boys in thailand not doing
what they want even after they gave them 642 baht in an
upstairs short-time room. face it, you're no fun to be with.
change your attitude and lose a hundred kilos or go fuck boys
in your own country.

douche.

[cdnmatt]

So money exchanging hands for the promise of a service (which may or may not happen) is not a business transaction

No, it's not. When I tell a client, "ok, so you need this operation setup, with these specs, plus I'll handle these additional aspects. Quote is $X,XXX, and should be done in 2 - 3 weeks. Please send a 50% deposit when you can, I'll get started, and keep you updated every few days on the progress". That's a business transaction.

Saying, "ok... if you don't play with little-Diecy for at least 45 minutes, then bend over in a chair while I shove fruit in your ass, you're breaking your promise to me..." -- is not a business transaction. That's just being an idiot, and degrading your fellow human even more than they're already being degraded.

Then I have people on the board saying I look down on Thais... fuck...

[netrix]

So money exchanging hands for the promise of a service (which may or may not happen) is not a business transaction
No, it's not....
Saying, "ok... if you don't play with little-Diecy for at least 45 minutes, then bend over in a chair while I shove fruit in your ass, you're breaking your promise to me..." -- is not a business transaction. That's just being an idiot, and degrading your fellow human even more than they're already being degraded.

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[gra46]

reading some of these comments are so digraceful.
These boys are human and do this for a living like most of us do WORK.
If you treat the boys with a bit of respect you will recieve it back
I know many working boys as i tour thailand alot (4times ayear)
I sit with these boys buy them a drink and enjoy there company
I am welcomed back to the bar with a hug .
Some of the stories these boys tell me is giving the Farangs a bad name.
You must understand why they work if they had a choice they wouldnt be doing it
It so sad

[Beachlover]

You must understand why they work if they had a choice they wouldnt be doing it
It so sad
They do have a choice. No one holds a gun to their head to force them to work as a gogo boy. They do it because they can, it takes very little brain power, it's not heavy labour, the hours are short and it pays significantly more than other unskilled job alternatives would.

reading some of these comments are so digraceful.
These boys are human and do this for a living like most of us do WORK.
If you treat the boys with a bit of respect you will recieve it back
I know many working boys as i tour thailand alot (4times ayear)
I sit with these boys buy them a drink and enjoy there company
I am welcomed back to the bar with a hug .
Some of the stories these boys tell me is giving the Farangs a bad name.
You must understand why they work if they had a choice they wouldnt be doing it
It so sad


You are quite correct (except the last sentence - there are legitimate jobs which many of the boys could do - the lure of the sex trade is high rates of quick and easy money for less effort than working in a store or laundry etc - they are not all "forced" into it)

I do agree with your point about how disgracefuly some farang treat them - as if the boy is a piece of meat. The same attitude is often (shamefully) articulated on this forum by certain members.

An example of this is the farang who regularly used to go into Throb (as it was). He would sit at the cashier desk, which at that time was at the door (and at the air con unit), and he would take a boy from the stage to come and STAND (not permitted to sit) next to him. I watched this closely on several occasions and the routine was always the same. He would stay for maybe an hour while very little, if any, conversation took place whilst the boy (dressed only in gogo briefs of course) stood literally shivering at the door with the single drink the farang bought him. Then eventually he would take his fat arse off the stool, tip the boy 100B and send him back to the stage. It is people like THAT who are a total disgrace.

Like yourself, I always treat the boys with respect - even if I don't take them off - and I find that (superficially at least) I get the same back. I wouldn't want it any other way.

:occasion9:

THREE HOURS????? Do you have erectile dysfunction? Does it take you 2 hours to get it up?
Hey, come on. Anywhere between one to three hours is pretty good for getting to know someone... What's the point in going home with someone you really like and then coming after 20 minutes?

Beachy you have jumped in with both feet without bothering to find out how deep the puddle is - here is the original content from latintopxxx:


...I always agree explictely on the service I expect( anal, rent boy bottoms), the time (at least 3 hours) and set the price...its a business transactions... not a date....

"Getting to know" the boy does not seem to be on Latintopxxx's agenda - therefore I was questioning in a humourous manner why he required 3 hours for a fuck.

:occasion9:

[Beachlover]

Fair call... I knew your post was humorous, Scotty.

But still, three hours isn't that out of the ordinary if you've found a hot number to nail.

Fair call... I knew your post was humorous, Scotty.

But still, three hours isn't that out of the ordinary if you've found a hot number to nail.

Well, I say:

Whip it in
Whip it out
And wipe it on the curtains

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

[gra46]

You are quite correct (except the last sentence - there are legitimate jobs which many of the boys could do - the lure of the sex trade is high rates of quick and easy money for less effort than working in a store or laundry etc - they are not all "forced" into it)

I do agree with your point about how disgracefuly some farang treat them - as if the boy is a piece of meat. The same attitude is often (shamefully) articulated on this forum by certain members.

An example of this is the farang who regularly used to go into Throb (as it was). He would sit at the cashier desk, which at that time was at the door (and at the air con unit), and he would take a boy from the stage to come and STAND (not permitted to sit) next to him. I watched this closely on several occasions and the routine was always the same. He would stay for maybe an hour while very little, if any, conversation took place whilst the boy (dressed only in gogo briefs of course) stood literally shivering at the door with the single drink the farang bought him. Then eventually he would take his fat arse off the stool, tip the boy 100B and send him back to the stage. It is people like THAT who are a total disgrace.

Like yourself, I always treat the boys with respect - even if I don't take them off - and I find that (superficially at least) I get the same back. I wouldn't want it any other way.

:occasion9:
You are a gentleman
On many occassions i go to the bars to just talk to these boys and made alot of friends
i buy the a tall jug of beer and sit with the boys in there break and hear alot of stories
i dont off them as im with my boy , but over the years have been close to some .
some of the stories they told me are gruesome.
I have one close friend whio works in these bars he is so happy to see us when im back,
he dosent work in the same bar i drink so the first night i there he take it of to come drink with us all
he says i have a heart and understand what they must go through
Thailand is not the same as our home land you must work as the is no goverment hand out to the unemployed
Most and i mean most work to send home to pay there family bills i seen on many occasions the boys will starve there selves to send home.
here in australia most the hookers work to support there habits which is drug addiction i have no time fior them.
On one occassion when i was at the bar a boy ran and hid ,when he returned i asked him why,the story is so shocking i wont repeat it here as some of the guys on here would get off on it ,the ones that treat them as a piece of meat.
It great to see them smile when i return but to see the tears when i leave insure me i will return .

[Diec]

It warms my heart to see how humanitarian many on this board are. ` I think it's lovely how some folks take the time out to really get to know these poverty stricken prostitutes stories and how these boys feel so comfortable with these farang that they will divulge their intimate details and secrets. Now here can come a bit of a sticky part, the poverty stricken prostitute's super cute friend comes in. How does one discreetly offer super cute some money for a blow job? Do you need to give poverty stricken some money as well so he won't feel bad? Will super cute feel used when 10 minutes after meeting him you want to get into his pants. After paying super cute for some sexy sex, does one then try to persuade him to look for a better trade? One that will not take away his dignity or force him into awkward situations? What if super cute has an even cuter brother but he doesn't care to have sexy sex with other men, but he is also very poor. Does the price go up to entice cuter brother to have sexy sex with fat farang? I think the price would have to go up in order that cuter brother does not feel like a piece of meat for selling his body so cheap. After sexy sex, does one go back to poverty stricken to listen to more horror stories? What happens to super cute and cuter brother? Does one offer them money to meet at a later date for more sexy sex? You know, after these boys leave your hotel room with all the money that has been bestowed on them for sexy sex, they're on top of the world. Oh...let the fun begin!

Well now you've got that off your chest dear, you can turn your attention to those man boobs of yours.

:occasion9: :occasion9:

[gra46]

It warms my heart to see how humanitarian many on this board are. ` I think it's lovely how some folks take the time out to really get to know these poverty stricken prostitutes stories and how these boys feel so comfortable with these farang that they will divulge their intimate details and secrets. Now here can come a bit of a sticky part, the poverty stricken prostitute's super cute friend comes in. How does one discreetly offer super cute some money for a blow job? Do you need to give poverty stricken some money as well so he won't feel bad? Will super cute feel used when 10 minutes after meeting him you want to get into his pants. After paying super cute for some sexy sex, does one then try to persuade him to look for a better trade? One that will not take away his dignity or force him into awkward situations? What if super cute has an even cuter brother but he doesn't care to have sexy sex with other men, but he is also very poor. Does the price go up to entice cuter brother to have sexy sex with fat farang? I think the price would have to go up in order that cuter brother does not feel like a piece of meat for selling his body so cheap. After sexy sex, does one go back to poverty stricken to listen to more horror stories? What happens to super cute and cuter brother? Does one offer them money to meet at a later date for more sexy sex? You know, after these boys leave your hotel room with all the money that has been bestowed on them for sexy sex, they're on top of the world. Oh...let the fun begin!
You are a sick fucker ,that hides behind your computer with no balls
I really like to know your back ground what really happen to you as a child
I bet your the one that abuses these boys and treat them with no respect .
When the next time in Thailand thats if you even go there .
I'd love to be there when you are i assure you if you talk like that you wont be leaving the country in one piece
Get a fucking life or should i say get over what happen to you as a child

[cdnmatt]

It warms my heart to see how humanitarian many on this board are. ` I think it's lovely how some folks take the time out to really get to know these poverty stricken prostitutes stories

It's called karma, you idiot. Treat people how you want to be treated, what goes around comes around, etc... So when you treat someone like a sub-human piece of shit, you're not really allowed to complain because they ripped you off or treated you badly.

Really now, these are things you're supposed to know when you're about 4 years old.

[latintopxxx]

...and I assume u believe in the tooth fairy...if karma is real explain why the burma junta is still in power after 30 yeras...and why bad things happen to nice people....money boys are onto a winning formual u twit...make more money in a bad week then they would in a good month bad in isaan land....hellooo!!!!

[bao-bao]

...money boys are onto a winning formual...make more money in a bad week then they would in a good month bad in isaan land...
Any club or street guy who hasn't had an off in a week (which isn't all that uncommon) might disagree with you.

Just my two satang.