Saudi Court Considers Severing Criminal's Spine

[Beachlover]

Heh... Maybe this will bring "Oops" back:

http://www.news.com.au/national/court-c ... 5907580098 (http://www.news.com.au/national/court-considers-paralysis-punishment/story-e6frfkvr-1225907580098)

Court considers paralysis punishment

A SAUDI court may ask doctors to deliberately sever a criminal's spinal cord as a gruesome punishment for leaving another man crippled.

The court, in the northwestern province of Tabuk, has apparently sought medical advice on whether it is possible to surgically paralyse the defendant, who has not been named, Emirates 24/7 reported overnight.

He has admitted attacking a man with a meat cleaver two years ago, leaving him crippled, the news website said, citing reports in the Arabic language newspaper Okaz.
In Saudi Arabia, the criminal justice system has been known to dish out barbaric sentences in accordance with the ancient Babylonian code of Hammurabi, which advocates "an eye for an eye".

The victim, Abdul Aziz Al Mutairi, 22, demanded that his attacker suffer the same injury. And he told Okaz that at least one hospital had agreed the chilling procedure was medically feasible.

A judge at Tabuk General Court is reportedly waiting on responses from surgeons before issuing his sentence.
Human rights groups have routinely attacked Saudi courts for falling below international standards and imposing brutal punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/court-c ... z0x6v0Ewkt (http://www.news.com.au/national/court-considers-paralysis-punishment/story-e6frfkvr-1225907580098#ixzz0x6v0Ewkt)

[allieb]

Beachlover

I have lived in Saudi for over 20 years. Let me set the record straight. First of all hand amputations are not carried out for simple theft. That rule is applied to violent armed robberey. For example bank robbery piracy and highway robbery. Nobody looses their hand for shoplifting, stealing a car housebreaking or even large scale embezzlement. For that they will be beaten and a prison sentence

The death penalty for murder can be cancelled by the victims family upon an agreed payment of blood money. Befor the death penalty is carried out mediators try to convince the victims family to take the money. If the murderer doesn't have money collections are made or charities come up with the money. In any case the death penalty is not carried out for at least 3 years while all this is going on. At the end in execution square the victims family must attend and give the final nod to the executioner. In many cases they do not give the nod and forgive for as they say, a bigger reward from God.

The streets here are safe. Murder is usually between family members over some kind of squable. Bank robberies are almost unheard of.

Lastly although the case you have pasted seems strange let me ask you the following. What would you do if your mother father brother or sister was attacked with a meat cleaver and left in a wheel chair? Would you forgive the attacker? I think although harsh, looking from a family point of view, the attacker will get what he deserves and a message is sent out to others. Having said that, before the sentence is carred out the victim still has a couple of years to forgive his attacker the mediation process will go on and the victim must attend and give the final nod to the hospital.

[Bob]

That defense (the streets are safe) sounds a bit like the end justifying the means. I mean we certainly could make the streets even safer by simply killing every criminal, couldn't we?

Certain practices are simply barbaric in my book and even the possibility or contemplation of same says a lot about the backwardness of a society. Cutting off limbs, stoning to death, or severing of somebody's spine belongs in the dark ages and a testament to what Merton coined as man's inhumanity to man.

[Beachlover]

Interesting... I wasn't aware of this mediation process and the role played by the victim's family.

Anyhow, I don't have a fixed opinion on this thing... Just an interesting article to post.

[catawampuscat]

I have read about castration for child rapists in the USA.. I believe it is "chemical"
castration and prevents sexual urges and/or makes the penis useless except for urination..
I also know that castration was used in the harems in places like Saudi and also
in China in the Emperor's employ in former times.

Do the Saudi's cut off the offending member of serial rapists?

[Bob]

I have read about castration for child rapists in the USA.. I believe it is "chemical" castration and prevents sexual urges and/or makes the penis useless except for urination..


Yep, it's only chemical castration (as opposed to surgical) and, when the medication routine is halted, it's apparently completely reversibile. Only nine states have experimented with this and it's usually reserved for repeat offenders and/or those who voluntarily agree to it in order to reduce their prison stay. I've no clue about its effectiveness.

[allieb]

I have read about castration for child rapists in the USA.. I believe it is "chemical"
castration and prevents sexual urges and/or makes the penis useless except for urination..
I also know that castration was used in the harems in places like Saudi and also
in China in the Emperor's employ in former times.

Do the Saudi's cut off the offending member of serial rapists?

No they are executed. I dont agree with the Saudi legal system but attached is a chart showing countries with the most and least murder rates, USA is no 24 Thailand is no. 14 and Saudi Arabia is 61 only beaten by Qatar last at 62. Qatar has a similar legal system. Go figure http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

It seems that 5,000 people are murdered in Thailand every year ,125,000 in the USA and 100 in Saudi Arabia

[Beachlover]

Not sure those numbers you gave make sense. How can Thailand have a higher murder rate than the US when Thailand's murder rate is 5,000/60,000,000 vs USA's murder rate of 125,000/300,000,000?

Anyway, there are many other factors involved. Severity of punishment is only one of them. I think it plays a significant but small role.

Australia, UK, Canada all have less harsh penalties than the US (death penalty) yet they achieved rankings of 43 to 46. New Zealand, similarly achieved a ranking of 52.

[allieb]

Not sure those numbers you gave make sense. How can Thailand have a higher murder rate than the US when Thailand's murder rate is 5,000/60,000,000 vs USA's murder rate of 125,000/300,000,000?

Anyway, there are many other factors involved. Severity of punishment is only one of them. I think it plays a significant but small role.

Australia, UK, Canada all have less harsh penalties than the US (death penalty) yet they achieved rankings of 43 to 46. New Zealand, similarly achieved a ranking of 52.

I think I put one too many zeros for USA Should Be 12,500 Anyway the numbers are there in the rankings.

[Beachlover]

Ah, totally right. That explains it.

[thrillbill]

I lived in Saudi for a total of 12 years, and the almighty $$ can convince one that what goes on in this conservative, barbaric Islamic country is "ok". Yes, it is safe in Saudi (very little crime and theft) but the sad reality is how most Saudi men have this arrogance that their country is NO. 1 ; yet, they can "sin" in other countries then go back and pretend they are good human beings. Amazing how the Middle Eastern workers from other countries find Westerners in KSA more considerate, and helpful than the "Saudi brothers" and can't wait to get out. I think the best example to sum it up was when a Saudi man I talked to once told me once that "Saudi is God's chosen country..the rest of the world is a cess pool"; then a sentence later he is telling me how he had many "girl friends" (escorts) in London, New York, and Bangkok.

[allieb]

Thrill bill

I am still in Saudi and nothing has changed. The only thing I will add is the that they don't know how to get girlfriends. They don't have the chat or the time. They only know how to get prostitutes. It's so sad even 18 year old good looking boys travel outside Saudi Arabia and pay for sex.

A Saudi once said to me. "Do you know any girls I can Fuck" to which I replied "what makes you think I can just walk up to a girl and say I have a Saudi friend that wants to fuck you". He he didn't understand me and said offer them money. The expat gays here tend to be very slutish, have multiple partners and go with groups of Saudi's in gang bangs. He thought all our women are the same.

I know a few very nice Saudis but in the main they think their country is the best in the world. Other countries are there for their convenience to do all that is forbidden. All non muslims are doomed. By the way when they come back and say a few prayers all is forgiven.

[Beachlover]

LOL... Cripes... I didn't know Saudi and Saudis were like that.

A very creepy Arab security guard approached me in a shopping centre recently... He was bored and I was waiting for a vending machine to do its thing. He said, "are you from Thailand? Do you know ... eh Patpong? Many ladies you can fuck there right?"... His eyes lit up.... Right!.. Friendly chap but a bit creepy and messed in the head, I think.

[Marsilius]

It seems that 5,000 people are murdered in Thailand every year ,125,000 in the USA and 100 in Saudi Arabia

Maybe the Saudi figure is so low because they go abroad to commit their murders. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ttack.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8043460/Gay-Saudi-prince-murdered-servant-in-ferocious-attack.html)

[Beachlover]

Heh... yeah, I saw that. Fucked hey?

This prince was probably living a very carefree playboy lifestyle completely cut off from reality... servants, millions or billions of dollars, no responsibility, anything he wants on whim, no need to really earn a living and contribute and all.

Now he gets to be confined to prison and rot in a jail cell in a country where his Royalty doesn't mean shit...

What would you do if your mother father brother or sister was attacked with a meat cleaver and left in a wheel chair? Would you forgive the attacker?

If any person to whom you pose that question is one of those people who CLAIM to be a Christian then the mandatory answer would be YES. If his answer is NO then he is simply a hypocrite.

:occasion9:

[Beachlover]

Got to love Christian hypocrisy!

[ftj_taw]

What would you do if your mother father brother or sister was attacked with a meat cleaver and left in a wheel chair? Would you forgive the attacker?

If any person to whom you pose that question is one of those people who CLAIM to be a Christian then the mandatory answer would be YES. If his answer is NO then he is simply a hypocrite.

:occasion9:

allieb it happens all the time among Christians

http://www.google.co.th/search?q=family ... 1R1GGGL_en (http://www.google.co.th/search?q=family+forgives+murderer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _18815749/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_n1_v33/ai_18815749/)
http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Bra ... rview.aspx (http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Brandon_Biggs-interview.aspx)
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/fami ... rder-63029 (http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/family-forgives-mumbai-mother-charged-with-babys-murder-63029)

Beachlover why would you love Christian hypocrisy, did you misread scottish-guy?

[allieb]

[quote=allieb] What would you do if your mother father brother or sister was attacked with a meat cleaver and left in a wheel chair? Would you forgive the attacker?

If any person to whom you pose that question is one of those people who CLAIM to be a Christian then the mandatory answer would be YES. If his answer is NO then he is simply a hypocrite.

:occasion9:

allieb it happens all the time among Christians

So does sodomy

http://www.google.co.th/search?q=family ... 1R1GGGL_en (http://www.google.co.th/search?q=family+forgives+murderer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _18815749/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_n1_v33/ai_18815749/)
http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Bra ... rview.aspx (http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Brandon_Biggs-interview.aspx)
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/fami ... rder-63029 (http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/family-forgives-mumbai-mother-charged-with-babys-murder-63029)

Beachlover why would you love Christian hypocrisy, did you misread scottish-guy?
Perhaps he's a Christian and a Sodomite [/quote:2urqhctk]

[Beachlover]

I'm not a Christian.

[allieb]

I'm not a Christian.


Spoken like a true sodomite brief and simple lol

[ftj_taw]

Perhaps he's a Christian and a Sodomite

Apples and oranges. I think a better answer would be to praise the Arab system of allowing someone who has committed a crime against another (even Murder), to pay retribution to the family of the victim. Revenge (execution) does not make the pain go away. At least the family will be somewhat better off and can go one with their lives. Of course this gives more power to the rich.