christianpfc
August 7th, 2010, 06:04
I posted this elsewhere before, but this forum seems to specialise on trip reports, so why not post it here again?
Here I want to share my experiences during my third holiday in Bangkok and Pattaya and ask for advice. People I met are given alphabet letters. тАЬJanuaryтАЭ refers to my second holiday in Thailand in January 2010, тАЬAugustтАЭ to my first holiday in August 2009. Reconstructed from memory, photos and my notes on all expenses (I write down every Baht I spend). I canтАЩt check the truth of what the boys told me, so I will report it as told to me. GR Gayromeo, тАЬfriend from GRтАЭ тАУ never met in real life before, bf boyfriend.
Abstract: Bars range from deserted (apart from boys and mamasan) to reasonably well visited. Compared to January and August, this is really low season!
On this holiday, I was disappointed several times by Thai friends. I could ignore some flaws in my second holiday, but now IтАЩm not sure if I will ever return to Thailand.
However, there are plenty (I met some of them) of Thais that are financially independend, have a good education and job and speak good English and have a genuine interest in meeting Farang for friendship or boyfriend.
I found the music level in Gogo bars and host bars in Bangkok and Pattaya too loud in all cases, but itтАЩs quiet compared to Thai-for-Thai discos. Whoever complains about music level in bars, go to Thai-for-Thai disco!
Aims: Never sleep alone (I do this in Europe all the time), never eat alone (I do this in Europe all the time), spend days with Thai friends sightseeing, have fun with Thai friends. These aims were reached only on 5 out of 12 full days of my stay. Alltogether, half of my holiday was spent enjoyable, the other half I had to follow backup plans or change my plans seriously as Thai friends let me down.
Thu 24.06. Airport, Taxi to Ibis Sathorn, arrive in hotel 20:55. A farang friend A (German, now living in Bkk close to Ibis) is waiting for me, we have a chat in my room. He asks me if he can smoke in my room. I inform him the entire Ibis is non-smoking, he doesnтАЩt care. He wants to smoke in the floor, but I tell him I wonтАЩt let him enter my room after smoking as I will get the smell into my room. He smokes outside. When leaving, my farang friend A (now I notice he is slightly drunk) is outside arguing with the manager because the Thai guard had stopped him from entering the hotel with a cigarette. Furthermore, it turns out that he is banned from the premises. Slightly embarrassed, I excuse AтАЩs behaviour. We take taxi to Silom and go to Balcony. The waiter informs me that I can sit there, but not my friend A. He is banned from the premises. We leave and argue about how to continue the evening. I leave A alone to avoid any furter embarrassment and go to have a look at Soi Twilight. Return to Balcony later. There IтАЩm supposed to meet B, a close Thai friend from January, but canтАЩt find him. My Thai SIM-card has expired, so I canтАЩt call him. Go to DJ-station, Thai C approaches me. On leaving DJ-station, A is at the gate (now a bit more drunk than before), arguing with the guards who wonтАЩt let him in as he wears flip-flops. I take A with me back to Soi 4 (but ask him not to enter the soi with me, to wait at the entrance). Back to Balcony, where I finally meet B. We (I, A, B and a friend of B) take taxi back to Ibis. B and I have some fun, he canтАЩt stay overnight as his Farang bf (who is in Thailand for holiday and stays in BтАЩs room which is close to Ibis) is waiting for him. He asks me for 300 B (тАЬItтАЩs for X, IтАЩm no money boyтАЭ тАУ If I get it correctly, he owes money to X). IтАЩm a bit na├пve, so I hand him the money, simply assuming that this request is legitimate. If he asks me for money, he will have a serious reason to do so. I sleep alone.
Fri 25.06. Go to MBK, get a new SIM-card. (Full story will be told elsewhere). Walk around, go to Central World to see damage. Back to Sathorn, walk around Lumpini. Go to Telephone. Sitting there alone waiting for friend D from GR, suddenly E, a customer from Balcony approaches me: тАЬExcuse me, are you X from Y now studying Z in A?тАЭ тАЬYes, I am! How do you know?тАЭ We chatted on GR, but I didnтАЩt remember him immediately because I was looking at his cute neighbour F. Rain interrupts us, after finishing my drink, I change to Balcony and sit with E (after he told me his name on GR, I remembered what we chatted about) and F (after asking him for his profile on GR, I remembered that I saw his profile but didnтАЩt recognize him). After a while, I recognize D at Telephone, he was only 10 min late and didnтАЩt want to disturb my chat with E and F by approaching me or even sending an SMS. I change back to Telephone and sit with D and his friends. Later, I recognize G (a friend from GR) and say hello. Go to DJ-station, where I meet C again. He really seems to like me, althought there are others that look cuter I leave with him and we go to my hotel. We have fun and he stays overnight.
Sat 26.06. We get up in the late morning, have a meal at O Ho, go to Chatuchak market, then to Chakran sauna. IтАЩve been there in January and it was very promising. Again, only two small towels, too small to wrap them around my hip. Large towels are available for 20 B. Annoying! HeтАЩs never been there. He likes it. Back to my hotel. He stays at a friendтАЩs place nearby. We meet again later and take taxi to ICK. IтАЩve been there in January, for him itтАЩs the first time. There I meet H (a platonic friend from January) who studies in Ramkhamhaeng. We watch show. I like the coyote dancing at ICK and SeeK-dance. We take taxi back to Ibis. The driver is a woman. My friend chats with her and translates that she starts work early in the morning and has a job as taxi driver at night because her first job is poorly paid. The meter shows 109 Baht, I give 200 Baht, my highest tip for taxi ever. C stays with me overnight.
Sun 27.06. We eat at O Ho. IA, a friend of C who works in Jomtien joins us. In my room, IA descends upon my clothes and shows us a flick of the wrist to fold a T-Shirt within seconds. ItтАЩs very simple and effective, unfortunately I forgot how to do it! We go to Wat Saket, The City Parapet Phrakan Fortress, Loha Prasat and Democracy monument. After two nice days with C (he and his friend seem to be good boys, I payed for all expenses, no money changes hands), I decide to spend this evening alone and go to bars to see if I can find someone cuter. Taxi to Surawong, dinner at MaxiтАЩs, footmassage. Solid Bar (Soi Anuman Ratchadhon near Silom Soi 6 or Soi Tharntawan): 10 boys, smoking inside. The arrangement inside the bar is very unsuitable: there is a corner and most of the boys are standing behing the corner, so I canтАЩt see them directly, only through a mirror on the wall opposite to my seat. Mamasan even asks me if I can see the boys and points to the mirror. There is a stage with enough space for all of the boys and that can be seen from all every seat, but only two boys are on the stage and there is a slow rotation of boys between stage and wall. Then to Screwboys. About 25 boys, one is smoking. Music is too loud. I tip one boy 100 baht and leave. My way of tipping: If there is a boy that I enjoyed watching, but donтАЩt intend to off, I donтАЩt invite him to sit with me (to avoid expenses for buying him a drink or to avoid having to refuse to buy him a drink and to avoid expectations for an off), I just hand (i.e. reach him my hand with the bill, not plucking it into his underwear) him the money before leaving. To Hotmale. Plenty of boys. Seconds after sitting down, I smell cigarette. I find myself surrounded by 3 smokers. Have to relocate. After 10 min at the new place, the same problem. Watching boys and looking for a new place without smokers or somewhere where the fan doesnтАЩt blow the smoke in my direction. They finish smoking before another relocation is necessary. Tip a boy 100 B and leave. Now itтАЩs 1 am and IтАЩm still alone. J, one of the massage boys is reasonably cute, despite having some facial hair. He remembers me from GR, I donтАЩt remember him. As IтАЩm not looking for тАЬmassageтАЭ, but company during night and the following day, I ask him if he can give me massage at my hotel. No problem. In addition, he has no university or work on Monday and can stay with me the whole day. If he wants to leave work before 2am he has to pay 100 B. We go to my hotel. He takes 3 types of pills before going to bed (and again after getting up next morning). ItтАЩs against a barely visible skin blemish. Does he have HIV? He stays with me overnight.
Mon 28.06. Typical scenario: I wake up at 11am, he is still asleep. I fall asleep and wake up again at 12. We shower and go back to bed again. Some hugging and cuddling, itтАЩs 2 pm. Time to get up and have a meal together. The facial hair was a bit disturbing. I made several hints about shaving. Finally, he tells me that they have many Asian customers and they like facial hair. We go to internet caf├й. Check GR: Now I remember him, due to his facial hair I had classified him as тАЬrather notтАЭ. We go to MBK and watch a movie. Back to Surawong just at 8 pm so he can get back to work. I invite him for dinner, but he has to report back to work first and he asks me to wait at Surawong so nobody sees us enter Soi Twilight together. It was not my intention to avoid the fee for the massage parlor when I had asked him if he can come to my hotel, but it finally turned out like this. I gave him 1700 B. 100 B are for early leave from work, the remaining 1600 B are just enough to go to work five times (he told me he studies and lives in Ramkhamhaeng and takes taxi to work 160 B each way, and he doesnтАЩt get paid if there are no customers. Can someone with more experience confirm this story? A massage boy taking taxi to work?). I call G, with whom I had agreed the day before to go to Ratchada tonight. He works nearby and I ask him to come to see me while I have dinner with J in Soi Twilight. G canтАЩt got with me tonight, he has no money (I told him that I would invite him) and he has to change clothes! It takes 1h to get home and another 1h to get back, so it will be to late and furthermore he didnтАЩt seem interested to go with me (despite extensive chat on GR and talking about this the day before). ItтАЩs 10 pm and IтАЩm alone. I call C. He isnтАЩt interested in going to Ratchada as he has no friends there. I call K, a money boy that hangs out at the Malaysia hotel frequently. If I understand correctly, he is at Silom. A bit later, I get an SMS тАЬIтАЩm sleepingтАЭ. So he lost his chance for a long-time. C calls me, he can come with me. We go to G-star. ItтАЩs too loud. Average experience for me, he likes the ladyboy contest that is going on (I donтАЩt like ladyboys). We want to go to Ratchada 8, but you have to order a table and buy a bottle of whisky (total 2000 B) to get in. We take taxi to тАЬWelcomeтАЭ, a Thai4Thai gay disco that closes at 9 am. He meets a friend there. The disco is cramped and the music level is deafening/painful. Will I get my next dayтАЩs otitis from this? We leave around 2 am. On the way back, he tells me that he doesnтАЩt want to come to my hotel and goes to his friendтАЩs room. тАЬWhen you have boy you donтАЩt call me, when you have no boy you call meтАЭ. He was right. The night before I was shopping around Surawong for someone cuter. This night, I suddenly was alone as G changed his plans. There are some boys at the Malaysia hotel. I have a chat with them. L asks me for 20 (twenty!) B. I give him 20 B. I remember him from January. I couldnтАЩt fathom what he does there or what his job is, but I kind of like him and he speaks very good English and you can have a conversation with him like with a Caucasian. M asks me for 50 B for beer. I give him 50 B. I had met him first on the last day of my first holiday August. He speaks German quite good. We spent some time in January. There were several disappointments in January (We went to ICK, he got drunk and left without telling me. I was looking around for him and calling him to no avail. He asked me to lend him 3000 B for his rent. He wanted to pay back some days later. I negotiated down to 500 B. He was thinking aloud if he should buy cigarettes or a calling card to call his sister in Germany from this money. Some days later, I offered him to stay with me overnight, just sleeping as I was tired. I asked if I can get my money back. His cheque-book was at home, so he asked me for 120 B (which I gave him) to get taxi home, get his cheque-book and return to me within 1h. Should I add the 120 B to the 500 B debt? It makes no difference as I wonтАЩt get any money back. He did not return that night.) So why did I give him 50 B for beer? I donтАЩt know. I sleep alone.
Tue 29.06. Check out, leave for Pattaya, taking bus from Ekkamai. Go to HowardтАЩs guesthouse. At 500 B per night, this is really a bargain! The room is larger, nicer and cheaper than my accommodation in England. I sms N (a friend from January whose pronunciation is horrible, speaking on phone is impossible, only SMS. Furthermore, we had this chat
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) to meet me at my hotel. He writes back if we can meet in Jomtien. I agree and seconds after sending SMS I think: I travel quarter around the world and now you donтАЩt want to come from Jomtien to Sunee? Anyway, I wanted to have a look at the Jomtien area and I had plenty of time to do so as he was late, despite living 5 min by foot from Bamboo bar. We have dinner and he asks me for money. I give him 200 B. I go back to Sunee and do some bar hopping. Euroboys: 9 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Krazy Dragon: O is still there (I had an eye on him in January), I have him sit with me, buy him a drink. тАЬCan you stay overnight?тАЭ тАЬOkтАЭ. I off him. We go to my hotel and have some fun. тАЬAre you top or bottom?тАЭ тАЬTop onlyтАЭ тАЬDo you like boys or girls?тАЭ тАЬOh no! I like girls, maybe both.тАЭ (Note to myself: next time ask such questions when leaving. Then I donтАЩt have to spoil the experience by thinking about how disgusting it must be for a straight men to touch and be touched by another man.) Around 00:30, he wants to leave to meet friends. I ask if I could join, itтАЩs ok. We go to an Isaan restaurant close to the closed Dude Man club where he meets a friend and we have a meal. He tells me he has to change clothes and canтАЩt come back to my hotel. I tell him that I would like him to stay with me overnight. He sends a friend on his motorbike to get his clothes. IтАЩm impressed! We chat what we can do tomorrow and agree on going to Koh Larn. However, the friend goes to a party with girls instead (thatтАЩs what O tells me some phone calls later after we finish our meal). I pay for our meal and he asks me for money for short-time. I give him 1000 B and we agree to meet at 11 am the following day.
Wed 30.06. I get up at 10:30. I send O SMS at 11:00. He calls at 11:20 and says he will be there in 20 min. Finally he arrives at 12 and tells me itтАЩs to late to go to Koh Larn. Ok, IтАЩm flexible, I can go to Koh Larn with another boy on another day, so we change to Nong Nooch. Taxi return 800 B, entry 2 * 400 B. We have a nice day at Nong Nooch. We have fun again in my hotel room. I give him another 1000 B. He is surprised about my generosity. IтАЩm a fool. Because he didnтАЩt stay overnight as agreed in the bar I paid twice short time (2 * 1000 B) instead of once long time (1 * 1500 B). At least itтАЩs money from the rich to the poor. And he has a wonderful body. He goes home and I go to a medical clinic nearby my hotel. One ear is swollen and hurts a bit when I touch it or lay on the side of this ear or open my mouth wide or brush my teeth. It started a day ago, after the painfully loud music in the Thai4Thai disco. Ear rinsing for over one hour, an injection into butt on this day and on both following days and four types of pill, to be taken 3 times a day. 38.9┬░C fever. But apart from this no further problems. The strange feeling after injection into butt vanishes soon. Go to New Queens bar, have P sitting with me (I know him from GR), invite him for dinner and tip him 100 B. I call N to meet me in Sunee. He doesnтАЩt like Sunee, so we meet at my hotel. On the way to hotel, a Farang from a bar, Q, follows me. He is from Germany and studies in Bkk and is for holiday in Pattaya. We agree to meet again. He has no mobile phone. I meet N at my hotel and we walk through Walking street and along the beach to Dave Man Club and chat. He worked in a gogo-bar four years ago for half a year, met his now ex-boyfriend (тАЬHim butterfly, him lie to me, him many boysтАЭ) and now lives with a Farang and keeps his household and gets free accommodation, internet, TV, but no money. тАЬHim ┬з$%&.тАЭ It was incomprehensible, even after several repetitions I didnтАЩt get it. Written down it read something like тАЬpormbelтАЭ. So finally тАЬHim problem. Him boyfriend lie to him. 30000 BтАЭ. I enjoyed Dave Man Club. We go back and he stays overnight.
Thu 01.07. We get up and have a meal together. I try to find out what he would like to do this day, but whatever I suggest (massage тАУ I mean real massage, beach, Pattaya park, sightseeing), he doesnтАЩt like it. тАЬSo what do you like?тАЭ тАЬMaybe disco or cinema тАУ but now no good cinema in PattayaтАЭ (???). тАЬNow I have to go back, do laundryтАЭ. Sorry, but I canтАЩt do any more for you. This was an invitation to whereever he wants to go. I give him another 800 B (with the 200 B from 29.06. that makes only 1000 B for long-time, but this boy is a dud in public and in bed, very shy and passive. In January, my experience was similar. I think I will not see him again. But I kind of feel sorry for him because I rarely get a smile on his face.). So I go to the gay beach and spend the afternoon walking there alone. At night, on my way from Sunee to Boyztown, I walk through Day Night area. Without paying special attention, I notice a bar that has only male customers, young Thais and some old Farang. I ask and get a confirmation that is a gay host bar. ItтАЩs not on my map and I didnтАЩt find it in the internet. ItтАЩs named тАЬStor CornerтАЭ and is adjacent to T&T Karaoke (map available on request). Does anyone know this venue? I have a drink at Office Boys. Go to Boyztown, Toy Boys. This has the lowest music level from all the bars I visited, I could understand the mamasan talking to the guests on the neighbouring table. Mamasan chats with me and point to my neighbour тАЬHim sapenтАЭ (I donтАЩt get it) and points to another one тАЬhim MexicoтАЭ (Ah! Sapen тАУ Spain!). Tip one boy 100 B. Go to Dynamite Boys. A pleasant surprise. The music is a bit too loud, but this is compensated by the fact that out of around 30 boys several are cute. And they all wear different underwear. (I like underwear.) I could have stayed longer, but R, a friend from GR, called that he is now at Family Mart. (We had an appointment an hour ago, but IтАЩm learning and arrange meetings in a way that I can spend the delay doing something I would do anyway.) We have dinner at Caf├й Royale and then go to Copa showbar. There is a good circulation of boys, there are only few tatoos and the boys look happy. Smokers go outside. I go home with R. We agree to go to Crocodile farm and Million years stone park the following day. He suggests a friend can drive cheaper or for same price as taxi.
Fri 02.07. At 7 am, he tells me that he cannot sleep (too hot) and goes home now. We agree to meet in the afternoon. I sleep till noon and he comes and picks me up with his motorbike. I see his room (i.e. the room he shares with 5 other family members and which contains a shop as well. There is one bed, in which 2 or 3 sleep, he sleeps on the floor. ItтАЩs ok as they donтАЩt all sleep at the same time. The amount of merchandise in the shop is less than my parents have in their larder/pantry.) A friend drives us to the Crocodile farm and Million years stone park. Taxi return 800 B, entry 300 B + 120 B. I invite the friend to join us, but she prefers to sleep in the car. ItтАЩs as beautiful as Nong Nooch. We have a nice day. Return to his home. As his friend is with us when we say goodbye, I donтАЩt know how to offer money, besides, there was no hint for money. So, no money changes hands (but I paid for all expenses). Back in my room, I notice he forgot his umbrella. Call him, he comes on motorbike. On saying goodbye we are alone, so I have to ask тАЬDid you come with me for fun or do you expect money?тАЭ тАЬFor fun.тАЭ So there is free fun in Pattaya! Go to Boyztown Star Boys, 10 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Meet S (friend from GR) and have drink in Wunderbar, then in WanтАЩs place. My friend is a host-bar boy, who is not working at the moment, preparing for a trip back home later in July. To see if I can repeat тАЬfor funтАЭ from yesterday, I ask тАЬDo you go with me for fun or for money?тАЭ I got an indignant тАЬFor fun! We chat long time!тАЭ So we go to my room, have fun, hug and cuddle later when he gets a phone call at 2:20 am. He has to go home! A roommate called, a farang wants to chat with him on MSN! He promised to be back at 3 am, but I know this will not happen. This blow/stroke will spoil the rest of my holiday. However, IтАЩm not angry with him. It must be very important. And he knows he made a mistake, he sends SMS that he is sorry and tells me he is sorry when we meet again. Lesson learned: Let the boy switch off his mobile when entering your room! (I knew this before, but now I experienced myself what can happen!). Sleep alone.
Sat 03.07. I wake up around 10, call him to meet me later so we can spend the day together. He agrees to meet at 11. I have nothing to do so I walk around Sunee. At 12, he calls me that he cannot meet me today. I call around to meet T (friend from GR), he can meet me tonight. Call around to meet U (friend from GR), he can meet me at the beach. I go to the beach where I see Farang Q again. Take a chair and read and watch boys on the beach. (The gay beach was rather disappointing in January and in June as well. However, there is W, who is very cute and I like his hairdo and his swimmwear. U comes more or less in time, we chat and make a loose appointment for movie tonight. I miss a message from T who wants to come to meet me now (afternoon). V (a friend from GR living in Bkk) sms me that he is in Pattaya tonight and wants to meet me. I go to Sansuk sauna. I donтАЩt recognize T, whose SMS I missed at the beach, and who went to Sansuk instead of meeting me at the beach. He is just leaving and we exchange a smile, he recognizes me and goes back in. He follows me and we go to a room. He is smoker and he had a cigarette before, so we just chat in the room and from the details of his life I remember that we chatted on GR before and recognize him. I tell him that I donтАЩt like smoke and we part and agree to meet later (so he gets the smell off his body). I meet Farang Q again. He is short of money and asks me to lend him 150 B. Despite knowing better, I give him the money. (Why does he go to sansuk if he has no money? A friend invited him!) I meet again with T, who either doesnтАЩt get rid of the smell or had another cigarette. We go to a room and have fun which is disturbed by the smell. As the lights are low on the walls, we can see shadows from the action in the adjacent room on the ceiling. He wants to spend the evening and the night with me, but he has to be back to work by 1pm tomorrow (means if I take him overnight IтАЩm alone the following day). IтАЩm indecisive what to do. I spent the whole afternoon alone and now I have four dates for the evening: T, U, V and Q. I donтАЩt know what to tell T and we just hang around (and I oogle at W). He liked what we did in the room, but now he wants to stay with me. My plans were different! I try to explain to T that S left me unexpectedly and therefore everything changed. I watch the croud and recognize P and X, a boy whom I paid for a тАЬmassageтАЭ in January. Fortunately, T has to leave, we agree to meet the following morning (I know this will not happen). Now I can focus on W, who is more or less around a Farang, and get him in a moment where he is less around the farang and get his GR profile and phone number. I decide to spend the early night with Q, as we are both German and can chat in German. I invite him for dinner and he aks me for another 300 B. Despite better knowledge, I give him the money. (In August, I met a German tourist at the Malaysia who had his passport and money stolen while he was drunk. He was fluent in Thai and was learning Khmer and Burmese. The same story: first ask for money for hotel room, next meeting for money for something else, pay back in some days when money from home arrives.) Not only the Thai, even the Farang in Thailand are crooks who just want your money! We part and I go to Boyztown. Dynamite Boyz. Dream Boyz: not my type. Kawaii Boyz: around 15 boys, nice dancing. Lucky 777: around 15 boys, too cold! Back to Sunee. Drink in Wunderbar, invite a boy, very limited English (mamasan had to translate), canтАЩt stay overnight, tip 100 B. The bars close and IтАЩm alone! Call P. He is alone. Come to my room in 20min. Arrives 1h later. Shower, hug and cuddle. Sleep.
Sun 04.07. Wake up, have fun. We eat. What can we do together? ItтАЩs raining and he has to get back to his room so I donтАЩt pursue spending the day together. (Currently living in England, IтАЩm surprised how quick rain is over in Thailand.) I give him 1500 B and we part. I call U to go to a movie. He arrives in time on his motorbike. He invites me to watch тАЬEclipseтАЭ (Taylor Lautner is one of the few cute Caucasians I know). I invite him for a cake and a chat. Drive to the large тАЬPattayaтАЭ sign on his motorbike. He likes Caucasian men, I like Far-East-Asian men, alas, he is not my type! So we part as тАЬjust friendsтАЭ. Go to Funny Boys. Independence day. тАЬ4th July 8:30 pm sharp sexy underwear fashion showтАЭ. Plenty of boys on stage in different underwear, but just standing there, not moving. 8:40 I ask waiter тАЬWhen is the show?тАЭ тАЬSorry no show today.тАЭ тАЬOk, I seeтАЭ тАУ What the fuck? Are you kidding me? Ask another waiter when leaving: no show. Outside I check again: тАЬ4th July 8:30pm sharp тАжтАЭ Ok, I wanted to go Funny Boys anyway because they received the тАЬBest Gay VenueтАЭ award, but in my opinion nothing to write home about. X Boys about 15 boys. Wild West Boys too loud and too cold. A boy comes to me uninvited. тАЬI want to go with youтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhy not? You happy, I happyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬOk, you cannot, but I can!тАЭ (Damn! He has a point! But I stick to тАЬCannotтАЭ) тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ He leaves. тАЬCannotтАЭ is the way I use to get rid of a boy who is not my type (how am I supposed to explain that he would have to pay money, a lot of money, to me if he wants to have sex with me?) Any suggestions how to deal with such situations without being impolite? I return to Sunee. Wonderland. Around 1:50 am, IтАЩm the only customer left. All the boys descend upon me. One boy is cute. But they all look a bit too young. I ask Mamasan: she and the boys sleep in the premises. I get her phone number, so I can call later if I decide to off a boy after closing. I go to WanтАЩs Place where S is sitting with friends, slightly drunk. I ask him if he wants to go with me tonight (despite the disappointment on Friday). He wants. I go to New Queens Bar. There I meet Y. He has blemished skin, but we have a nice chat and he seems to be a nice boy. So I focus on the person and not on the body. He wants to go with me for free. S is still at WanтАЩs place, more drunken then before. I leave him there, I know he lives nearby so I donтАЩt have to worry how he gets home. I go back to my hotel with Y. He stays overnight. S calls, but I donтАЩt pick up. As he is drunk, I hope he will not remember that I told him hours ago that he can come with me tonight.
Mon 05.07. We get up and have fun. I check out. Only two days left and I can get home! (Yes, IтАЩm sick and tired of Thailand and want to get back to England!) We exchange GR profiles and email. He has no mobile phone! (How is this possible?) We have breakfast/lunch, he accompanies me to the bus station where we say goodbye. Bus to Bkk, check in at Om Yim lodge. Traffic jam. Take motorcylce to Malaysia 50 B. Meet Z (friend from GR) in his room nearby. Chat. Go to Babylon. Several proposals, but after the events of the last days, IтАЩm just not horny any more. I meet AA (my first very first pull in August) and his Farang bf. Back to hotel, then Soi 4, X-Size, DJ-station. This is a whoтАЩs who of all my experiences in Thailand. There is AA with his Farang boyfriend, AD (whom I know from August and January, my second pull) with his Farang boyfriend, J, AC (friend from GR), AE. I walk around and see several cute boys. AB approaches me, so we quickly exchange the most important facts (тАЬAre you here aloneтАЭ тАЬWhat do you do tonightтАЭ тАЬWhat do you do tomorrowтАЭ). He wants to go with me and is free tomorrow! We go to my hotel and have fun with some disturbations. He has European-like facial hair and his last shave was about 2 days ago. His kisses are unpleasantly soft and wet. His legs are hairier than mine!
Tue 06.07. We get up, have a meal and take BTS and bus to his university (although he had no lectures today, he had to pop in shortly) and taxi to Vimanmek (37B fare, we could have walked from his university). Visit Vimanmek Mansion (Entry 100 B for Farang and 75 B is fine for me, but having to pay another 20 B for locker is a rip-off) and Anatasamakhom Throne Hall. Take bus westwards to river pier N16 which is within walking distance to his room. We should have walked, traffic jam (thatтАЩs why I decided to go back to Om Yim via river and BTS!) Say goodbye, take boat to Central pier and BTS to Chong Nonsi. BTS to Saphan Kwai. IтАЩve not been to gay venues there before. Error in Dreaded NedтАЩs map December 2007: The bars are not accessible from Phaholyothin Road, only from Pradiphat Road. IтАЩm too early (8pm): bars are open, but no boys (тАЬat 9 or 10 have many boysтАЭ). I go to sauna Farose. Around 20 Thais in there, it seems IтАЩm the only Farang, I get some proposals, but itтАЩs too dark and too dirty. Broken mirrors in the room, I saw a used condom on the floor. I wonтАЩt go there again! Back to bars: Charmming 9pm still no boys, Oasis 9pm empty. Be High 9pm 6 boys. This is a real gogo bar, that far away from all the other bars! Have a drink. No other customers. Stax 9:15pm 3 host boys. I have to get back to Silom.
Wed 07.07. Drink at hotmale host bar. Hang around. At 1:45 am, all the bars are closed. But I get to know that screwboy opens till 3 or 4 am. I meet B, who works in Silom area as waiter, when he finishes work at 2 am. I want to take him to DJ-station, but he forgot his ID-card at home. (Why didnтАЩt he tell me an hour earlier when we talked about this? How can you forget your ID-card, forget to charge your mobile phone or run out of minutes? It never happened to me in my entire life, but constantly happens to my Thai friends!) We try to get in, but they wonтАЩt let him in. (Why do they let me in without asking for passport? IтАЩve been to DJ around ten times so far, showed my passport at first, but then they let me in without idenfication. Do I look that old? As far as I know he goes there often, so they should know him.) We hang around outside. He goes to one of the DVD-seller stalls and complains that the DVDs he bought recently are of poor quality and gets two copies for free! We hang around. тАЬCan you buy me food?тАЭ тАЬOkтАЭ We go to Burger King, he orders a take-away for 208 B. I pay. My interpreation: getting a meal at my expense and then watch movie at home is more important to him than spending the last hours of my holiday with me. He declares this meal to be his birthday present (I had left to Pattaya before his birthday and he had asked me to bring him a present when I return). We say goodbye and he takes taxi home. I go to DJ-station, enter at 2:45 am. Ground floor is reasonably filled, I go upstairs: empty! Later, I see staff watching football on a mobile phone. I knew it all the time that there would come a moment where football will screw my holiday! DJ closes, I watch the croud go home and walk back to Om Yim. Empty Silom at night is a pityful sight! I walk past a group of Thais, a man approaches me: тАЬCannot go there. Closed at 6тАЭ He tells me something about a road block, video screen for movie, his place, and mentions ladies in every second sentence. IтАЩm a fast walker, so he has difficulties following me and talking to me. Finally, looses breath and stops and points to the right тАЬMy place this way. Can meet lady!тАЭ тАЬSorry, I donтАЩt like lady, I like boy. And I had plenty of boys. My hotel is there (pointing left).тАЭ He walks back. I check out, take taxi to airport. Fly back home. тАЬWhen will I return to Thailand?тАЭ flashes up shortly several times, but is dismissed immediately. Arrive in England. Log in to GR. G chats with me тАЬWhere are you nowтАЭ тАЬJust back in EnglandтАЭтАЬI block you sorry good byeтАЭ. I have no idea why. Maybe I ask him via email.
Fri 09.07. Email to Farang Q: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender. Did he give me a false email, so I cannot contact him? Probably name and address are false as well? I still find it hard to believe that Germans betray Germans in Thailand for 500 B, a drink and a meal and a chat. ItтАЩs just 10 EUR (10 GBP, 10 USD), but of course, in Thailand you get much more for this amount of money than in Europe or the USA.
Questions: What do you think? Where did I make a mistake? What can I do better? Any suggestions about style, grammar, choice of words (English is a foreign language to me). Which are the good boys, which are the bad boys? Who told me bullshit? Did someone see me (walking with a map and checking which bar is where and which I visited in January) or knows any of the boys I met? Where did I tip too much or not enough?
Random thoughts and generalisations:
I canтАЩt sleep with aircon on, itтАЩs too loud. But with aircon off, it gets hot. How to solve this problem?
Bars in Pattaya I liked most (i.e. boys look happy, there is real dancing and a good circulation of boys): Krazy Dragon, New Dynamite, Copa Showbar.
Of all the boys I met in real life first and checked their profiles on GR later, their profiles were not appealing to me.
The name тАЬSanctuary of TruthтАЭ is only used by Westerners, none of the boys I asked knew it, I had to show them a photo. What do they call it?
Several of the boys I met have Farang ex-boyfriends. In all cases тАЬHim butterfly, him lie to me, him have many boysтАЭ.
The gay scene is small. I repeatedly ran into people I knew from former holidays or from GR. What about the expats? You must know everyone and cross paths with other expats and boys every day. There must be plenty of gossip?
Things I wanted to to but didnтАЩt have time to, places I wanted to go but didnтАЩt find someone to accompagny me: Cruising in shopping malls and public bathrooms, Saran Rom park, Sukhumvit area in Bkk, Sanctuary of Truth, Pattaya Park, RipleyтАЩs believe it or not.
Business ideas: Hold regular beachvolleyball tournaments (participants must be Thai, < 30 years old, in swimmwear). I would happily contribute 100 B for the winning team. Make packages of Thaipuan, Variety, Max, Pattaya Guide, GM guide, GB guide, flyers from bars and tourist attractions that can by bought by tourists before coming to Thailand. I collect all these items (they are for free) and read them after returning home and think: I should have known before my holiday. Despite surfing the internet and printing information before coming to Thailand, there is always something missing, e.g. I want to go to a place but donтАЩt know how to get there or when it opens and closes.
Personal hygiene. Before I go out at night, I shower, shave, brush my teeth and dress in fresh clothes. Before going to bed, I shower again (and my Thai friend showers). After fun, we shower again. In the morning after waking up we shower, hug, cuddle, have fun, shower again. (I twice ommitted the showering before fun, it was less nice). I wear the clothes from the last night for the following day. Some of my friends wanted to go home to change clothes in the early morning (3am). This is a problem if I want a boy long-time! I read somewhere that 2-3am is the time to give food to monks, maybe this is why many boys find a reason to leave me at this time?
Here I want to share my experiences during my third holiday in Bangkok and Pattaya and ask for advice. People I met are given alphabet letters. тАЬJanuaryтАЭ refers to my second holiday in Thailand in January 2010, тАЬAugustтАЭ to my first holiday in August 2009. Reconstructed from memory, photos and my notes on all expenses (I write down every Baht I spend). I canтАЩt check the truth of what the boys told me, so I will report it as told to me. GR Gayromeo, тАЬfriend from GRтАЭ тАУ never met in real life before, bf boyfriend.
Abstract: Bars range from deserted (apart from boys and mamasan) to reasonably well visited. Compared to January and August, this is really low season!
On this holiday, I was disappointed several times by Thai friends. I could ignore some flaws in my second holiday, but now IтАЩm not sure if I will ever return to Thailand.
However, there are plenty (I met some of them) of Thais that are financially independend, have a good education and job and speak good English and have a genuine interest in meeting Farang for friendship or boyfriend.
I found the music level in Gogo bars and host bars in Bangkok and Pattaya too loud in all cases, but itтАЩs quiet compared to Thai-for-Thai discos. Whoever complains about music level in bars, go to Thai-for-Thai disco!
Aims: Never sleep alone (I do this in Europe all the time), never eat alone (I do this in Europe all the time), spend days with Thai friends sightseeing, have fun with Thai friends. These aims were reached only on 5 out of 12 full days of my stay. Alltogether, half of my holiday was spent enjoyable, the other half I had to follow backup plans or change my plans seriously as Thai friends let me down.
Thu 24.06. Airport, Taxi to Ibis Sathorn, arrive in hotel 20:55. A farang friend A (German, now living in Bkk close to Ibis) is waiting for me, we have a chat in my room. He asks me if he can smoke in my room. I inform him the entire Ibis is non-smoking, he doesnтАЩt care. He wants to smoke in the floor, but I tell him I wonтАЩt let him enter my room after smoking as I will get the smell into my room. He smokes outside. When leaving, my farang friend A (now I notice he is slightly drunk) is outside arguing with the manager because the Thai guard had stopped him from entering the hotel with a cigarette. Furthermore, it turns out that he is banned from the premises. Slightly embarrassed, I excuse AтАЩs behaviour. We take taxi to Silom and go to Balcony. The waiter informs me that I can sit there, but not my friend A. He is banned from the premises. We leave and argue about how to continue the evening. I leave A alone to avoid any furter embarrassment and go to have a look at Soi Twilight. Return to Balcony later. There IтАЩm supposed to meet B, a close Thai friend from January, but canтАЩt find him. My Thai SIM-card has expired, so I canтАЩt call him. Go to DJ-station, Thai C approaches me. On leaving DJ-station, A is at the gate (now a bit more drunk than before), arguing with the guards who wonтАЩt let him in as he wears flip-flops. I take A with me back to Soi 4 (but ask him not to enter the soi with me, to wait at the entrance). Back to Balcony, where I finally meet B. We (I, A, B and a friend of B) take taxi back to Ibis. B and I have some fun, he canтАЩt stay overnight as his Farang bf (who is in Thailand for holiday and stays in BтАЩs room which is close to Ibis) is waiting for him. He asks me for 300 B (тАЬItтАЩs for X, IтАЩm no money boyтАЭ тАУ If I get it correctly, he owes money to X). IтАЩm a bit na├пve, so I hand him the money, simply assuming that this request is legitimate. If he asks me for money, he will have a serious reason to do so. I sleep alone.
Fri 25.06. Go to MBK, get a new SIM-card. (Full story will be told elsewhere). Walk around, go to Central World to see damage. Back to Sathorn, walk around Lumpini. Go to Telephone. Sitting there alone waiting for friend D from GR, suddenly E, a customer from Balcony approaches me: тАЬExcuse me, are you X from Y now studying Z in A?тАЭ тАЬYes, I am! How do you know?тАЭ We chatted on GR, but I didnтАЩt remember him immediately because I was looking at his cute neighbour F. Rain interrupts us, after finishing my drink, I change to Balcony and sit with E (after he told me his name on GR, I remembered what we chatted about) and F (after asking him for his profile on GR, I remembered that I saw his profile but didnтАЩt recognize him). After a while, I recognize D at Telephone, he was only 10 min late and didnтАЩt want to disturb my chat with E and F by approaching me or even sending an SMS. I change back to Telephone and sit with D and his friends. Later, I recognize G (a friend from GR) and say hello. Go to DJ-station, where I meet C again. He really seems to like me, althought there are others that look cuter I leave with him and we go to my hotel. We have fun and he stays overnight.
Sat 26.06. We get up in the late morning, have a meal at O Ho, go to Chatuchak market, then to Chakran sauna. IтАЩve been there in January and it was very promising. Again, only two small towels, too small to wrap them around my hip. Large towels are available for 20 B. Annoying! HeтАЩs never been there. He likes it. Back to my hotel. He stays at a friendтАЩs place nearby. We meet again later and take taxi to ICK. IтАЩve been there in January, for him itтАЩs the first time. There I meet H (a platonic friend from January) who studies in Ramkhamhaeng. We watch show. I like the coyote dancing at ICK and SeeK-dance. We take taxi back to Ibis. The driver is a woman. My friend chats with her and translates that she starts work early in the morning and has a job as taxi driver at night because her first job is poorly paid. The meter shows 109 Baht, I give 200 Baht, my highest tip for taxi ever. C stays with me overnight.
Sun 27.06. We eat at O Ho. IA, a friend of C who works in Jomtien joins us. In my room, IA descends upon my clothes and shows us a flick of the wrist to fold a T-Shirt within seconds. ItтАЩs very simple and effective, unfortunately I forgot how to do it! We go to Wat Saket, The City Parapet Phrakan Fortress, Loha Prasat and Democracy monument. After two nice days with C (he and his friend seem to be good boys, I payed for all expenses, no money changes hands), I decide to spend this evening alone and go to bars to see if I can find someone cuter. Taxi to Surawong, dinner at MaxiтАЩs, footmassage. Solid Bar (Soi Anuman Ratchadhon near Silom Soi 6 or Soi Tharntawan): 10 boys, smoking inside. The arrangement inside the bar is very unsuitable: there is a corner and most of the boys are standing behing the corner, so I canтАЩt see them directly, only through a mirror on the wall opposite to my seat. Mamasan even asks me if I can see the boys and points to the mirror. There is a stage with enough space for all of the boys and that can be seen from all every seat, but only two boys are on the stage and there is a slow rotation of boys between stage and wall. Then to Screwboys. About 25 boys, one is smoking. Music is too loud. I tip one boy 100 baht and leave. My way of tipping: If there is a boy that I enjoyed watching, but donтАЩt intend to off, I donтАЩt invite him to sit with me (to avoid expenses for buying him a drink or to avoid having to refuse to buy him a drink and to avoid expectations for an off), I just hand (i.e. reach him my hand with the bill, not plucking it into his underwear) him the money before leaving. To Hotmale. Plenty of boys. Seconds after sitting down, I smell cigarette. I find myself surrounded by 3 smokers. Have to relocate. After 10 min at the new place, the same problem. Watching boys and looking for a new place without smokers or somewhere where the fan doesnтАЩt blow the smoke in my direction. They finish smoking before another relocation is necessary. Tip a boy 100 B and leave. Now itтАЩs 1 am and IтАЩm still alone. J, one of the massage boys is reasonably cute, despite having some facial hair. He remembers me from GR, I donтАЩt remember him. As IтАЩm not looking for тАЬmassageтАЭ, but company during night and the following day, I ask him if he can give me massage at my hotel. No problem. In addition, he has no university or work on Monday and can stay with me the whole day. If he wants to leave work before 2am he has to pay 100 B. We go to my hotel. He takes 3 types of pills before going to bed (and again after getting up next morning). ItтАЩs against a barely visible skin blemish. Does he have HIV? He stays with me overnight.
Mon 28.06. Typical scenario: I wake up at 11am, he is still asleep. I fall asleep and wake up again at 12. We shower and go back to bed again. Some hugging and cuddling, itтАЩs 2 pm. Time to get up and have a meal together. The facial hair was a bit disturbing. I made several hints about shaving. Finally, he tells me that they have many Asian customers and they like facial hair. We go to internet caf├й. Check GR: Now I remember him, due to his facial hair I had classified him as тАЬrather notтАЭ. We go to MBK and watch a movie. Back to Surawong just at 8 pm so he can get back to work. I invite him for dinner, but he has to report back to work first and he asks me to wait at Surawong so nobody sees us enter Soi Twilight together. It was not my intention to avoid the fee for the massage parlor when I had asked him if he can come to my hotel, but it finally turned out like this. I gave him 1700 B. 100 B are for early leave from work, the remaining 1600 B are just enough to go to work five times (he told me he studies and lives in Ramkhamhaeng and takes taxi to work 160 B each way, and he doesnтАЩt get paid if there are no customers. Can someone with more experience confirm this story? A massage boy taking taxi to work?). I call G, with whom I had agreed the day before to go to Ratchada tonight. He works nearby and I ask him to come to see me while I have dinner with J in Soi Twilight. G canтАЩt got with me tonight, he has no money (I told him that I would invite him) and he has to change clothes! It takes 1h to get home and another 1h to get back, so it will be to late and furthermore he didnтАЩt seem interested to go with me (despite extensive chat on GR and talking about this the day before). ItтАЩs 10 pm and IтАЩm alone. I call C. He isnтАЩt interested in going to Ratchada as he has no friends there. I call K, a money boy that hangs out at the Malaysia hotel frequently. If I understand correctly, he is at Silom. A bit later, I get an SMS тАЬIтАЩm sleepingтАЭ. So he lost his chance for a long-time. C calls me, he can come with me. We go to G-star. ItтАЩs too loud. Average experience for me, he likes the ladyboy contest that is going on (I donтАЩt like ladyboys). We want to go to Ratchada 8, but you have to order a table and buy a bottle of whisky (total 2000 B) to get in. We take taxi to тАЬWelcomeтАЭ, a Thai4Thai gay disco that closes at 9 am. He meets a friend there. The disco is cramped and the music level is deafening/painful. Will I get my next dayтАЩs otitis from this? We leave around 2 am. On the way back, he tells me that he doesnтАЩt want to come to my hotel and goes to his friendтАЩs room. тАЬWhen you have boy you donтАЩt call me, when you have no boy you call meтАЭ. He was right. The night before I was shopping around Surawong for someone cuter. This night, I suddenly was alone as G changed his plans. There are some boys at the Malaysia hotel. I have a chat with them. L asks me for 20 (twenty!) B. I give him 20 B. I remember him from January. I couldnтАЩt fathom what he does there or what his job is, but I kind of like him and he speaks very good English and you can have a conversation with him like with a Caucasian. M asks me for 50 B for beer. I give him 50 B. I had met him first on the last day of my first holiday August. He speaks German quite good. We spent some time in January. There were several disappointments in January (We went to ICK, he got drunk and left without telling me. I was looking around for him and calling him to no avail. He asked me to lend him 3000 B for his rent. He wanted to pay back some days later. I negotiated down to 500 B. He was thinking aloud if he should buy cigarettes or a calling card to call his sister in Germany from this money. Some days later, I offered him to stay with me overnight, just sleeping as I was tired. I asked if I can get my money back. His cheque-book was at home, so he asked me for 120 B (which I gave him) to get taxi home, get his cheque-book and return to me within 1h. Should I add the 120 B to the 500 B debt? It makes no difference as I wonтАЩt get any money back. He did not return that night.) So why did I give him 50 B for beer? I donтАЩt know. I sleep alone.
Tue 29.06. Check out, leave for Pattaya, taking bus from Ekkamai. Go to HowardтАЩs guesthouse. At 500 B per night, this is really a bargain! The room is larger, nicer and cheaper than my accommodation in England. I sms N (a friend from January whose pronunciation is horrible, speaking on phone is impossible, only SMS. Furthermore, we had this chat
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) to meet me at my hotel. He writes back if we can meet in Jomtien. I agree and seconds after sending SMS I think: I travel quarter around the world and now you donтАЩt want to come from Jomtien to Sunee? Anyway, I wanted to have a look at the Jomtien area and I had plenty of time to do so as he was late, despite living 5 min by foot from Bamboo bar. We have dinner and he asks me for money. I give him 200 B. I go back to Sunee and do some bar hopping. Euroboys: 9 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Krazy Dragon: O is still there (I had an eye on him in January), I have him sit with me, buy him a drink. тАЬCan you stay overnight?тАЭ тАЬOkтАЭ. I off him. We go to my hotel and have some fun. тАЬAre you top or bottom?тАЭ тАЬTop onlyтАЭ тАЬDo you like boys or girls?тАЭ тАЬOh no! I like girls, maybe both.тАЭ (Note to myself: next time ask such questions when leaving. Then I donтАЩt have to spoil the experience by thinking about how disgusting it must be for a straight men to touch and be touched by another man.) Around 00:30, he wants to leave to meet friends. I ask if I could join, itтАЩs ok. We go to an Isaan restaurant close to the closed Dude Man club where he meets a friend and we have a meal. He tells me he has to change clothes and canтАЩt come back to my hotel. I tell him that I would like him to stay with me overnight. He sends a friend on his motorbike to get his clothes. IтАЩm impressed! We chat what we can do tomorrow and agree on going to Koh Larn. However, the friend goes to a party with girls instead (thatтАЩs what O tells me some phone calls later after we finish our meal). I pay for our meal and he asks me for money for short-time. I give him 1000 B and we agree to meet at 11 am the following day.
Wed 30.06. I get up at 10:30. I send O SMS at 11:00. He calls at 11:20 and says he will be there in 20 min. Finally he arrives at 12 and tells me itтАЩs to late to go to Koh Larn. Ok, IтАЩm flexible, I can go to Koh Larn with another boy on another day, so we change to Nong Nooch. Taxi return 800 B, entry 2 * 400 B. We have a nice day at Nong Nooch. We have fun again in my hotel room. I give him another 1000 B. He is surprised about my generosity. IтАЩm a fool. Because he didnтАЩt stay overnight as agreed in the bar I paid twice short time (2 * 1000 B) instead of once long time (1 * 1500 B). At least itтАЩs money from the rich to the poor. And he has a wonderful body. He goes home and I go to a medical clinic nearby my hotel. One ear is swollen and hurts a bit when I touch it or lay on the side of this ear or open my mouth wide or brush my teeth. It started a day ago, after the painfully loud music in the Thai4Thai disco. Ear rinsing for over one hour, an injection into butt on this day and on both following days and four types of pill, to be taken 3 times a day. 38.9┬░C fever. But apart from this no further problems. The strange feeling after injection into butt vanishes soon. Go to New Queens bar, have P sitting with me (I know him from GR), invite him for dinner and tip him 100 B. I call N to meet me in Sunee. He doesnтАЩt like Sunee, so we meet at my hotel. On the way to hotel, a Farang from a bar, Q, follows me. He is from Germany and studies in Bkk and is for holiday in Pattaya. We agree to meet again. He has no mobile phone. I meet N at my hotel and we walk through Walking street and along the beach to Dave Man Club and chat. He worked in a gogo-bar four years ago for half a year, met his now ex-boyfriend (тАЬHim butterfly, him lie to me, him many boysтАЭ) and now lives with a Farang and keeps his household and gets free accommodation, internet, TV, but no money. тАЬHim ┬з$%&.тАЭ It was incomprehensible, even after several repetitions I didnтАЩt get it. Written down it read something like тАЬpormbelтАЭ. So finally тАЬHim problem. Him boyfriend lie to him. 30000 BтАЭ. I enjoyed Dave Man Club. We go back and he stays overnight.
Thu 01.07. We get up and have a meal together. I try to find out what he would like to do this day, but whatever I suggest (massage тАУ I mean real massage, beach, Pattaya park, sightseeing), he doesnтАЩt like it. тАЬSo what do you like?тАЭ тАЬMaybe disco or cinema тАУ but now no good cinema in PattayaтАЭ (???). тАЬNow I have to go back, do laundryтАЭ. Sorry, but I canтАЩt do any more for you. This was an invitation to whereever he wants to go. I give him another 800 B (with the 200 B from 29.06. that makes only 1000 B for long-time, but this boy is a dud in public and in bed, very shy and passive. In January, my experience was similar. I think I will not see him again. But I kind of feel sorry for him because I rarely get a smile on his face.). So I go to the gay beach and spend the afternoon walking there alone. At night, on my way from Sunee to Boyztown, I walk through Day Night area. Without paying special attention, I notice a bar that has only male customers, young Thais and some old Farang. I ask and get a confirmation that is a gay host bar. ItтАЩs not on my map and I didnтАЩt find it in the internet. ItтАЩs named тАЬStor CornerтАЭ and is adjacent to T&T Karaoke (map available on request). Does anyone know this venue? I have a drink at Office Boys. Go to Boyztown, Toy Boys. This has the lowest music level from all the bars I visited, I could understand the mamasan talking to the guests on the neighbouring table. Mamasan chats with me and point to my neighbour тАЬHim sapenтАЭ (I donтАЩt get it) and points to another one тАЬhim MexicoтАЭ (Ah! Sapen тАУ Spain!). Tip one boy 100 B. Go to Dynamite Boys. A pleasant surprise. The music is a bit too loud, but this is compensated by the fact that out of around 30 boys several are cute. And they all wear different underwear. (I like underwear.) I could have stayed longer, but R, a friend from GR, called that he is now at Family Mart. (We had an appointment an hour ago, but IтАЩm learning and arrange meetings in a way that I can spend the delay doing something I would do anyway.) We have dinner at Caf├й Royale and then go to Copa showbar. There is a good circulation of boys, there are only few tatoos and the boys look happy. Smokers go outside. I go home with R. We agree to go to Crocodile farm and Million years stone park the following day. He suggests a friend can drive cheaper or for same price as taxi.
Fri 02.07. At 7 am, he tells me that he cannot sleep (too hot) and goes home now. We agree to meet in the afternoon. I sleep till noon and he comes and picks me up with his motorbike. I see his room (i.e. the room he shares with 5 other family members and which contains a shop as well. There is one bed, in which 2 or 3 sleep, he sleeps on the floor. ItтАЩs ok as they donтАЩt all sleep at the same time. The amount of merchandise in the shop is less than my parents have in their larder/pantry.) A friend drives us to the Crocodile farm and Million years stone park. Taxi return 800 B, entry 300 B + 120 B. I invite the friend to join us, but she prefers to sleep in the car. ItтАЩs as beautiful as Nong Nooch. We have a nice day. Return to his home. As his friend is with us when we say goodbye, I donтАЩt know how to offer money, besides, there was no hint for money. So, no money changes hands (but I paid for all expenses). Back in my room, I notice he forgot his umbrella. Call him, he comes on motorbike. On saying goodbye we are alone, so I have to ask тАЬDid you come with me for fun or do you expect money?тАЭ тАЬFor fun.тАЭ So there is free fun in Pattaya! Go to Boyztown Star Boys, 10 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Meet S (friend from GR) and have drink in Wunderbar, then in WanтАЩs place. My friend is a host-bar boy, who is not working at the moment, preparing for a trip back home later in July. To see if I can repeat тАЬfor funтАЭ from yesterday, I ask тАЬDo you go with me for fun or for money?тАЭ I got an indignant тАЬFor fun! We chat long time!тАЭ So we go to my room, have fun, hug and cuddle later when he gets a phone call at 2:20 am. He has to go home! A roommate called, a farang wants to chat with him on MSN! He promised to be back at 3 am, but I know this will not happen. This blow/stroke will spoil the rest of my holiday. However, IтАЩm not angry with him. It must be very important. And he knows he made a mistake, he sends SMS that he is sorry and tells me he is sorry when we meet again. Lesson learned: Let the boy switch off his mobile when entering your room! (I knew this before, but now I experienced myself what can happen!). Sleep alone.
Sat 03.07. I wake up around 10, call him to meet me later so we can spend the day together. He agrees to meet at 11. I have nothing to do so I walk around Sunee. At 12, he calls me that he cannot meet me today. I call around to meet T (friend from GR), he can meet me tonight. Call around to meet U (friend from GR), he can meet me at the beach. I go to the beach where I see Farang Q again. Take a chair and read and watch boys on the beach. (The gay beach was rather disappointing in January and in June as well. However, there is W, who is very cute and I like his hairdo and his swimmwear. U comes more or less in time, we chat and make a loose appointment for movie tonight. I miss a message from T who wants to come to meet me now (afternoon). V (a friend from GR living in Bkk) sms me that he is in Pattaya tonight and wants to meet me. I go to Sansuk sauna. I donтАЩt recognize T, whose SMS I missed at the beach, and who went to Sansuk instead of meeting me at the beach. He is just leaving and we exchange a smile, he recognizes me and goes back in. He follows me and we go to a room. He is smoker and he had a cigarette before, so we just chat in the room and from the details of his life I remember that we chatted on GR before and recognize him. I tell him that I donтАЩt like smoke and we part and agree to meet later (so he gets the smell off his body). I meet Farang Q again. He is short of money and asks me to lend him 150 B. Despite knowing better, I give him the money. (Why does he go to sansuk if he has no money? A friend invited him!) I meet again with T, who either doesnтАЩt get rid of the smell or had another cigarette. We go to a room and have fun which is disturbed by the smell. As the lights are low on the walls, we can see shadows from the action in the adjacent room on the ceiling. He wants to spend the evening and the night with me, but he has to be back to work by 1pm tomorrow (means if I take him overnight IтАЩm alone the following day). IтАЩm indecisive what to do. I spent the whole afternoon alone and now I have four dates for the evening: T, U, V and Q. I donтАЩt know what to tell T and we just hang around (and I oogle at W). He liked what we did in the room, but now he wants to stay with me. My plans were different! I try to explain to T that S left me unexpectedly and therefore everything changed. I watch the croud and recognize P and X, a boy whom I paid for a тАЬmassageтАЭ in January. Fortunately, T has to leave, we agree to meet the following morning (I know this will not happen). Now I can focus on W, who is more or less around a Farang, and get him in a moment where he is less around the farang and get his GR profile and phone number. I decide to spend the early night with Q, as we are both German and can chat in German. I invite him for dinner and he aks me for another 300 B. Despite better knowledge, I give him the money. (In August, I met a German tourist at the Malaysia who had his passport and money stolen while he was drunk. He was fluent in Thai and was learning Khmer and Burmese. The same story: first ask for money for hotel room, next meeting for money for something else, pay back in some days when money from home arrives.) Not only the Thai, even the Farang in Thailand are crooks who just want your money! We part and I go to Boyztown. Dynamite Boyz. Dream Boyz: not my type. Kawaii Boyz: around 15 boys, nice dancing. Lucky 777: around 15 boys, too cold! Back to Sunee. Drink in Wunderbar, invite a boy, very limited English (mamasan had to translate), canтАЩt stay overnight, tip 100 B. The bars close and IтАЩm alone! Call P. He is alone. Come to my room in 20min. Arrives 1h later. Shower, hug and cuddle. Sleep.
Sun 04.07. Wake up, have fun. We eat. What can we do together? ItтАЩs raining and he has to get back to his room so I donтАЩt pursue spending the day together. (Currently living in England, IтАЩm surprised how quick rain is over in Thailand.) I give him 1500 B and we part. I call U to go to a movie. He arrives in time on his motorbike. He invites me to watch тАЬEclipseтАЭ (Taylor Lautner is one of the few cute Caucasians I know). I invite him for a cake and a chat. Drive to the large тАЬPattayaтАЭ sign on his motorbike. He likes Caucasian men, I like Far-East-Asian men, alas, he is not my type! So we part as тАЬjust friendsтАЭ. Go to Funny Boys. Independence day. тАЬ4th July 8:30 pm sharp sexy underwear fashion showтАЭ. Plenty of boys on stage in different underwear, but just standing there, not moving. 8:40 I ask waiter тАЬWhen is the show?тАЭ тАЬSorry no show today.тАЭ тАЬOk, I seeтАЭ тАУ What the fuck? Are you kidding me? Ask another waiter when leaving: no show. Outside I check again: тАЬ4th July 8:30pm sharp тАжтАЭ Ok, I wanted to go Funny Boys anyway because they received the тАЬBest Gay VenueтАЭ award, but in my opinion nothing to write home about. X Boys about 15 boys. Wild West Boys too loud and too cold. A boy comes to me uninvited. тАЬI want to go with youтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhy not? You happy, I happyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬOk, you cannot, but I can!тАЭ (Damn! He has a point! But I stick to тАЬCannotтАЭ) тАЬCannotтАЭ тАЬWhyтАЭ тАЬCannotтАЭ He leaves. тАЬCannotтАЭ is the way I use to get rid of a boy who is not my type (how am I supposed to explain that he would have to pay money, a lot of money, to me if he wants to have sex with me?) Any suggestions how to deal with such situations without being impolite? I return to Sunee. Wonderland. Around 1:50 am, IтАЩm the only customer left. All the boys descend upon me. One boy is cute. But they all look a bit too young. I ask Mamasan: she and the boys sleep in the premises. I get her phone number, so I can call later if I decide to off a boy after closing. I go to WanтАЩs Place where S is sitting with friends, slightly drunk. I ask him if he wants to go with me tonight (despite the disappointment on Friday). He wants. I go to New Queens Bar. There I meet Y. He has blemished skin, but we have a nice chat and he seems to be a nice boy. So I focus on the person and not on the body. He wants to go with me for free. S is still at WanтАЩs place, more drunken then before. I leave him there, I know he lives nearby so I donтАЩt have to worry how he gets home. I go back to my hotel with Y. He stays overnight. S calls, but I donтАЩt pick up. As he is drunk, I hope he will not remember that I told him hours ago that he can come with me tonight.
Mon 05.07. We get up and have fun. I check out. Only two days left and I can get home! (Yes, IтАЩm sick and tired of Thailand and want to get back to England!) We exchange GR profiles and email. He has no mobile phone! (How is this possible?) We have breakfast/lunch, he accompanies me to the bus station where we say goodbye. Bus to Bkk, check in at Om Yim lodge. Traffic jam. Take motorcylce to Malaysia 50 B. Meet Z (friend from GR) in his room nearby. Chat. Go to Babylon. Several proposals, but after the events of the last days, IтАЩm just not horny any more. I meet AA (my first very first pull in August) and his Farang bf. Back to hotel, then Soi 4, X-Size, DJ-station. This is a whoтАЩs who of all my experiences in Thailand. There is AA with his Farang boyfriend, AD (whom I know from August and January, my second pull) with his Farang boyfriend, J, AC (friend from GR), AE. I walk around and see several cute boys. AB approaches me, so we quickly exchange the most important facts (тАЬAre you here aloneтАЭ тАЬWhat do you do tonightтАЭ тАЬWhat do you do tomorrowтАЭ). He wants to go with me and is free tomorrow! We go to my hotel and have fun with some disturbations. He has European-like facial hair and his last shave was about 2 days ago. His kisses are unpleasantly soft and wet. His legs are hairier than mine!
Tue 06.07. We get up, have a meal and take BTS and bus to his university (although he had no lectures today, he had to pop in shortly) and taxi to Vimanmek (37B fare, we could have walked from his university). Visit Vimanmek Mansion (Entry 100 B for Farang and 75 B is fine for me, but having to pay another 20 B for locker is a rip-off) and Anatasamakhom Throne Hall. Take bus westwards to river pier N16 which is within walking distance to his room. We should have walked, traffic jam (thatтАЩs why I decided to go back to Om Yim via river and BTS!) Say goodbye, take boat to Central pier and BTS to Chong Nonsi. BTS to Saphan Kwai. IтАЩve not been to gay venues there before. Error in Dreaded NedтАЩs map December 2007: The bars are not accessible from Phaholyothin Road, only from Pradiphat Road. IтАЩm too early (8pm): bars are open, but no boys (тАЬat 9 or 10 have many boysтАЭ). I go to sauna Farose. Around 20 Thais in there, it seems IтАЩm the only Farang, I get some proposals, but itтАЩs too dark and too dirty. Broken mirrors in the room, I saw a used condom on the floor. I wonтАЩt go there again! Back to bars: Charmming 9pm still no boys, Oasis 9pm empty. Be High 9pm 6 boys. This is a real gogo bar, that far away from all the other bars! Have a drink. No other customers. Stax 9:15pm 3 host boys. I have to get back to Silom.
Wed 07.07. Drink at hotmale host bar. Hang around. At 1:45 am, all the bars are closed. But I get to know that screwboy opens till 3 or 4 am. I meet B, who works in Silom area as waiter, when he finishes work at 2 am. I want to take him to DJ-station, but he forgot his ID-card at home. (Why didnтАЩt he tell me an hour earlier when we talked about this? How can you forget your ID-card, forget to charge your mobile phone or run out of minutes? It never happened to me in my entire life, but constantly happens to my Thai friends!) We try to get in, but they wonтАЩt let him in. (Why do they let me in without asking for passport? IтАЩve been to DJ around ten times so far, showed my passport at first, but then they let me in without idenfication. Do I look that old? As far as I know he goes there often, so they should know him.) We hang around outside. He goes to one of the DVD-seller stalls and complains that the DVDs he bought recently are of poor quality and gets two copies for free! We hang around. тАЬCan you buy me food?тАЭ тАЬOkтАЭ We go to Burger King, he orders a take-away for 208 B. I pay. My interpreation: getting a meal at my expense and then watch movie at home is more important to him than spending the last hours of my holiday with me. He declares this meal to be his birthday present (I had left to Pattaya before his birthday and he had asked me to bring him a present when I return). We say goodbye and he takes taxi home. I go to DJ-station, enter at 2:45 am. Ground floor is reasonably filled, I go upstairs: empty! Later, I see staff watching football on a mobile phone. I knew it all the time that there would come a moment where football will screw my holiday! DJ closes, I watch the croud go home and walk back to Om Yim. Empty Silom at night is a pityful sight! I walk past a group of Thais, a man approaches me: тАЬCannot go there. Closed at 6тАЭ He tells me something about a road block, video screen for movie, his place, and mentions ladies in every second sentence. IтАЩm a fast walker, so he has difficulties following me and talking to me. Finally, looses breath and stops and points to the right тАЬMy place this way. Can meet lady!тАЭ тАЬSorry, I donтАЩt like lady, I like boy. And I had plenty of boys. My hotel is there (pointing left).тАЭ He walks back. I check out, take taxi to airport. Fly back home. тАЬWhen will I return to Thailand?тАЭ flashes up shortly several times, but is dismissed immediately. Arrive in England. Log in to GR. G chats with me тАЬWhere are you nowтАЭ тАЬJust back in EnglandтАЭтАЬI block you sorry good byeтАЭ. I have no idea why. Maybe I ask him via email.
Fri 09.07. Email to Farang Q: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender. Did he give me a false email, so I cannot contact him? Probably name and address are false as well? I still find it hard to believe that Germans betray Germans in Thailand for 500 B, a drink and a meal and a chat. ItтАЩs just 10 EUR (10 GBP, 10 USD), but of course, in Thailand you get much more for this amount of money than in Europe or the USA.
Questions: What do you think? Where did I make a mistake? What can I do better? Any suggestions about style, grammar, choice of words (English is a foreign language to me). Which are the good boys, which are the bad boys? Who told me bullshit? Did someone see me (walking with a map and checking which bar is where and which I visited in January) or knows any of the boys I met? Where did I tip too much or not enough?
Random thoughts and generalisations:
I canтАЩt sleep with aircon on, itтАЩs too loud. But with aircon off, it gets hot. How to solve this problem?
Bars in Pattaya I liked most (i.e. boys look happy, there is real dancing and a good circulation of boys): Krazy Dragon, New Dynamite, Copa Showbar.
Of all the boys I met in real life first and checked their profiles on GR later, their profiles were not appealing to me.
The name тАЬSanctuary of TruthтАЭ is only used by Westerners, none of the boys I asked knew it, I had to show them a photo. What do they call it?
Several of the boys I met have Farang ex-boyfriends. In all cases тАЬHim butterfly, him lie to me, him have many boysтАЭ.
The gay scene is small. I repeatedly ran into people I knew from former holidays or from GR. What about the expats? You must know everyone and cross paths with other expats and boys every day. There must be plenty of gossip?
Things I wanted to to but didnтАЩt have time to, places I wanted to go but didnтАЩt find someone to accompagny me: Cruising in shopping malls and public bathrooms, Saran Rom park, Sukhumvit area in Bkk, Sanctuary of Truth, Pattaya Park, RipleyтАЩs believe it or not.
Business ideas: Hold regular beachvolleyball tournaments (participants must be Thai, < 30 years old, in swimmwear). I would happily contribute 100 B for the winning team. Make packages of Thaipuan, Variety, Max, Pattaya Guide, GM guide, GB guide, flyers from bars and tourist attractions that can by bought by tourists before coming to Thailand. I collect all these items (they are for free) and read them after returning home and think: I should have known before my holiday. Despite surfing the internet and printing information before coming to Thailand, there is always something missing, e.g. I want to go to a place but donтАЩt know how to get there or when it opens and closes.
Personal hygiene. Before I go out at night, I shower, shave, brush my teeth and dress in fresh clothes. Before going to bed, I shower again (and my Thai friend showers). After fun, we shower again. In the morning after waking up we shower, hug, cuddle, have fun, shower again. (I twice ommitted the showering before fun, it was less nice). I wear the clothes from the last night for the following day. Some of my friends wanted to go home to change clothes in the early morning (3am). This is a problem if I want a boy long-time! I read somewhere that 2-3am is the time to give food to monks, maybe this is why many boys find a reason to leave me at this time?