HPV Infection

[kittyboy]

If I was you! I would forget about HIV in cases of you having oral sex and if your going to get anything hope it is HIV, because if they catch HPV too late, which is easier to catch, with cross contamination when you suck or lick a guy, HPV will kill you with in 18 monthsтАж.. With HIV you can live reasonably healthier 20 years of more if caught early. The good thing about HPV even though the treatment is horrendous and very expensive you can be cured of it easier if caught early and you donтАЩt smoke.

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I appologize to the moderator for pulling this out of a closed thread, however, the information in the above post is absolutley wrong. As I have mentioned before I was a volunteer HIV/STD counselor for many years.

HPV will not kill you in 18 months. HPV is one of the most common STD and in most people (people with healthy immune systems) the body will clear the HPV infection. However, HPV infection has been linked to higher rates of certain cancers. So while HPV itself is relatively harmless in certain people it can lead to cancer...though the rate of cancer associated with HPV infection is low.

This wikipedia artice gives a decent overview of HPV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus

Nice pussy.

[Beachlover]

Thanks for clarifying this, kittyboy...

Is it me or does it take a whole team of people to clarify and correct the BS LMTU spouts?

[Impulse]

I hate to defend lmtu,but I think he was saying that everyone fears hiv while ignoring the dangers of hpv virus.Most gays know about hiv and how dangerous it is.Hpv is not as well known,yet can lead to cancer.It is similar to hep b in that 9 out of 10 people will clear the virus on their own.But for the 10% who cannot clear it,it can lead to head and neck,penile and other cancers.
So even though oral sex is a dificult way to aquire hiv,it's not that hard to get hpv.They have a vaccine for hpv now,but they only give it to younger people who have not had sex yet.

[Beachlover]

I hate to defend lmtu,but I think he was saying that everyone fears hiv while ignoring the dangers of hpv virus.Most gays know about hiv and how dangerous it is.Hpv is not as well known,yet can lead to cancer.It is similar to hep b in that 9 out of 10 people will clear the virus on their own.But for the 10% who cannot clear it,it can lead to head and neck,penile and other cancers.
So even though oral sex is a dificult way to aquire hiv,it's not that hard to get hpv.They have a vaccine for hpv now,but they only give it to younger people who have not had sex yet.

That's valid... Because it's not sensationalised in as stupid a way as he does.

[kittyboy]

You certainly are an alarmist.
Most sexually active individuals have been exposed to HPV and it clears their system.
For a very very small number of people it can lead to cancer. However, the number is very small.

I was a volunteer STD/HIV counselor for many years and IMHO that experience gives me some authority to comment on the issue. HPV for most people is not a huge issue.
In no way will someone die from an HPV infection in 18 months. That is absolutely completely wrong wrong wrong.

Yes...most people ignore the risk of HPV and it is an STD. However, I would argue that ignoring HPV is sensible as the reality is that HPV is in most cases harmless.
Look at the numbers....something like 80-90 % of sexually active peple have been exposed to HPV yet the number of people who get penile or anal cancer is relatively small. There are some people who want to worry about every real and perceived danger in the world. That is their choice but this is a very small danger.


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If I was you! I would forget about HIV in cases of you having oral sex and if your going to get anything hope it is HIV, because if they catch HPV too late, which is easier to catch, with cross contamination when you suck or lick a guy, HPV will kill you with in 18 monthsтАж.. With HIV you can live reasonably healthier 20 years of more if caught early. The good thing about HPV even though the treatment is horrendous and very expensive you can be cured of it easier if caught early and you donтАЩt smoke.

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I appologize to the moderator for pulling this out of a closed thread, however, the information in the above post is absolutley wrong. As I have mentioned before I was a volunteer HIV/STD counselor for many years.

HPV will not kill you in 18 months. HPV is one of the most common STD and in most people (people with healthy immune systems) the body will clear the HPV infection. However, HPV infection has been linked to higher rates of certain cancers. So while HPV itself is relatively harmless in certain people it can lead to cancer...though the rate of cancer associated with HPV infection is low.

This wikipedia artice gives a decent overview of HPV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus

I'm so sorry you really must get your facts right, before you trip yourself up.


I appreciate the fact you have worked as a volunteer, but I can assure you it has no basis, when I have seen with my eyes and am told by the best Professors here in Thailand, who fortunately are amazingly well advanced looking into and monitoring HPV now.

Previously HPV was not picked up on, it was just assumed you had a Tumor or cancer and treated like wise, but now they are looking out for specific HPV and are alarmed at the amount of people who have contracted this Virus, from Oral sex, in Thailand and around the world.

People with tumors with high HPV levels were significantly more likely to respond to treatment. They were also more likely to survive their cancer and to survive over all.

I have also met with 11 survivors 5 years or more from the Bumrungrad Hospital Counseling service; also I have been in a ward in The Thai Hospital with 9 men who was suspected of having HPV Cancer or Tumors resulting in licking or sucking in oral sex with men and women.

I would not like any one be of any doubt, you can catch this deadly Virus, of which several strains go onto Full Blown Tumors or cancer, but do'nt be eluded by any one who tells you its not easy to catch, now they have found out about it in much more detail, so many cases are coming out from the dark. once you have caught it, then it grows so fast, You have to zap it with amazing intense ferocity.

38 percent of oral squamous-cell cancers are HPV related. .....'Patients who have HPV infections are at higher risk for these cancers,'......HPV can enter the mouth during oral sex. researchers are finding that many oral cancers in men are also associated with the virus, Of an estimated 28,900 cases of oral cancer a year, 18,550 are in men.

http://www.natap.org/2009/HIV/081309_02.htm

тАЬThe sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer in women, is poised to become one of the leading causes of oral cancer in men, according to a new study.
The HPV virus now causes as many cancers of the upper throat as tobacco and alcohol, probably due both to an increase in oral sex and the decline in smoking, researchers say. тАЬ

"If current trends continue, within the next 10 years there may be more oral cancers in the United States caused by HPV than tobacco or alcohol,"


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22956090/

[Beachlover]

You certainly are an alarmist.

Most sexually active individuals have been exposed to HPV and it clears their system. For a very very small number of people it can lead to cancer. However, the number is very small.

HPV for most people is not a huge issue. In no way will someone die from an HPV infection in 18 months.

That is absolutely completely wrong wrong wrong.

LMTU* doesn't have the logic or intelligence to figure out that if 38% of a certain cancer type are HPV related it doesn't mean the same or similar proportion of HPV infections lead to that kind of cancer. He's too stupid to put two and two together let alone separate them when appropriate. Dumb as a door knob.

*Seen and heard

[kittyboy]

You certainly are an alarmist.

Most sexually active individuals have been exposed to HPV and it clears their system. For a very very small number of people it can lead to cancer. However, the number is very small.

HPV for most people is not a huge issue. In no way will someone die from an HPV infection in 18 months.

That is absolutely completely wrong wrong wrong.

LMTU* doesn't have the logic or intelligence to figure out that if 38% of a certain cancer type are HPV related it doesn't mean the same or similar proportion of HPV infections lead to that kind of cancer. He's too stupid to put two and two together let alone separate them when appropriate. Dumb as a door knob.

*Seen and heard


Heavy Sigh.....Very true beachlover...It aint easy civilizing these homos.

probably due both to an increase in oral sex and the decline in smoking, researchers say.

Are you saying that the numbers giving oral sex are greater now than ever before because people might have given up smoking? That's certainly one for the medical journals...Kittyboy take note.

[francois]

The most recent recommendations, I have heard, are vaccination for HPV for all males and females up to age 26. Beyond age 26 the patient would normally not be covered by insurence and would pay equivalent of $200 USD x 3 shots = $600 USD.
If health autorities are recommending routine vaccination for HPV, one may assume it is a potential lethal disease.

[kittyboy]

I think you are an alarmist. HPV can contribute to oral cancer in a very small number of people. The risk is low.

About 15,000 people a year die in the US as a result of HIV infection and another 35,000+ in the US become HIV infected. If you are that worried about your personal safety protect yourself against HIV and certainly protect yourself against HPV but don't alarm people about something that has a low risk of occurance.

If you want to live longer wear a seat belt, and give up smoking. Sucking dick is much less dangerous than not wearing a seat belt and smoking.




http://www.emedicinehealth.com/cancer_o ... ge2_em.htm (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/cancer_of_the_mouth_and_throat/page2_em.htm)


You 2 might think its all a big joke, but the joke will be on you, when you get it, if you say it cant be caught easy.
when you read on and the Info you conveniently left out was/

"The sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer in women, is poised to become one of the leading causes of oral cancer in men, according to a new study.
The HPV virus now causes as many cancers of the upper throat as tobacco and alcohol, probably due both to an increase in oral sex and the decline in smoking, researchers say. тАЬ

ITS NOT A JOKE ITS A DEADLY FACT.

[Beachlover]

No he's just a witless moron with fewer brains than most Darwin award winners except, rather than do the noble thing and 'remove' himself, he'd rather continue to be a burden.

Seriously, LMTU, brain up.

We all know HPV is an issue now. Sensationalising it with false exaggerated facts illiterate posts won't help.

[Beachlover]

If health autorities are recommending routine vaccination for HPV, one may assume it is a potential lethal disease.

What do you mean by that? Can you clarify?

[Beachlover]

So have you changed your lifestyle as a result, or are you still on your knees at Tesco-Lotus distributing blow jobs to the poor?

How does anyone get anything up for this wrinkled old creep? I mean seriously, can you imagine being approached in the toilets while you're hanging a leak by this pathetic, ugly, completely unattractive creep with the pot belly, stupid-looking face, balding head, glasses slipping down his face and disgusting looks?

[Aunty]

I was a volunteer STD/HIV counselor for many years and IMHO that experience gives me some authority to comment on the issue.

Kitty, are you an oncologist or an MD and/or PhD qualified cancer researcher? No? Then you speak with not an ounce of authority on this matter whatsoever and your assertion that you do is nothing but a joke.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!

[Beachlover]

Oh dont be so hard on yourself I'm sure you dont look that bad, thank God every knows I have a nice flat 6 pack and am looking very handsome these days. you must look like an over grown Donut.

Its such a Shame by the sounds of it, poor thing lol

Turning to primary school come backs are we?

The only six-pack on you is the one belonging to a gogoboy, which gets reflected off your shiny pale red forehead as you wrap your digusting filthy mouth around his privates.

[allieb]

So have you changed your lifestyle as a result, or are you still on your knees at Tesco-Lotus distributing blow jobs to the poor?

How does anyone get anything up for this wrinkled old creep? I mean seriously, can you imagine being approached in the toilets while you're hanging a leak by this pathetic, ugly, completely unattractive creep with the pot belly, stupid-looking face, balding head, glasses slipping down his face and disgusting looks?

Your description of Oops I have a new handel again is is very interesting

[Beachlover]

Sorry, Allieb... I was referring to LMTU.

[kittyboy]

As you point out I am not an oncologist, md or cancer researcher - I volunterred as an STD/HIV counselor for many many years and have extensive training in STD/HIV prevention and counseling.

It is interesting that you DO NOT disagree with my statements but merely challenge my credibility. Here is the link to the American Center for Disease Control that gives information on HPV....It states pretty much what I stated in my earlier posts about HPV. If you consider me a joke...fair enough though clearly the information I posted is substantially correct. My aim as a volunteer and here on SGT is to provide individuals information so that they can make informed decisions about their sexual behavior and personal health.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm

And the kettle calling the pot black refers to what exactly....very enigmatic.






I was a volunteer STD/HIV counselor for many years and IMHO that experience gives me some authority to comment on the issue.

Kitty, are you an oncologist or an MD and/or PhD qualified cancer researcher? No? Then you speak with not an ounce of authority on this matter whatsoever and your assertion that you do is nothing but a joke.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!

[Beachlover]

If you want to live longer wear a seat belt, and give up smoking. Sucking dick is much less dangerous than not wearing a seat belt and smoking.

Isn't that the same in Thailand? :hello1:

No, in Thailand it's "sa-moking"

Come on be fair .Apparently she has had the dyed dark hair job and the stomach is more of a case of chang rather than a six pack :hello1: :hello1: She cannot even decide each day which foot she is going shoot into...today right foot no, left foot no,right foot no,left foot no,right..........



Oh dont be so hard on yourself I'm sure you dont look that bad, thank God every knows I have a nice flat 6 pack and am looking very handsome these days. you must look like an over grown Donut.

Its such a Shame by the sounds of it, poor thing lol

Turning to primary school come backs are we?

The only six-pack on you is the one belonging to a gogoboy, which gets reflected off your shiny pale red forehead as you wrap your digusting filthy mouth around his privates.

kittyboy - apparently you didn't get the memo. Our dear Aunty is the world renowned, published and peer-reviewed sheep shagger from NZ. She of course likes to think when it comes to science she is the only one who knows anything and is very quick to point that out to others who might get above their station. The poor old thing has never really recovered from the untimely demise of the Colonel. If memory serves she was the bastard of the Colonel's half witted sister or some such thing, all best forgotten now I suppose. Anyway, best to let the old dear have her little rant. A few more belts from the gin bottle and she'll have forgotten the whole thing anyway. The old dear is more to be pitied than anything else.

[gumblebee]

Come on be fair .Apparently she has had the dyed dark hair job and the stomach is more of a case of chang rather than a six pack :hello1: :hello1: She cannot even decide each day which foot she is going shoot into...today right foot no, left foot no,right foot no,left foot no,right..........

Sounds like good exercise for getting a six-pack :drv:

[kittyboy]

kittyboy - apparently you didn't get the memo. Our dear Aunty is the world renowned, published and peer-reviewed sheep shagger from NZ. She of course likes to think when it comes to science she is the only one who knows anything and is very quick to point that out to others who might get above their station. The poor old thing has never really recovered from the untimely demise of the Colonel. If memory serves she was the bastard of the Colonel's half witted sister or some such thing, all best forgotten now I suppose. Anyway, best to let the old dear have her little rant. A few more belts from the gin bottle and she'll have forgotten the whole thing anyway. The old dear is more to be pitied than anything else.


I have a pretty thick skin to match my head.
As I recall Homitern referred to her are Dear Auntie Tourettes winner of the award of physics for those under five.....Ah...now that was a man who knew how to insult.

Though I must give beachlover credit for the bit a about the only six pack was the abs of the boy seen off the red and shiny head...etc... Clever that one I thought.

So your into shooting yourself in the foot daily to get a six pack!!! Duh



Come on be fair .Apparently she has had the dyed dark hair job and the stomach is more of a case of chang rather than a six pack :hello1: :hello1: She cannot even decide each day which foot she is going shoot into...today right foot no, left foot no,right foot no,left foot no,right..........

Sounds like good exercise for getting a six-pack :drv:

[Impulse]

How does anyone get anything up for this wrinkled old creep? I mean seriously, can you imagine being approached in the toilets while you're hanging a leak by this pathetic, ugly, completely unattractive creep with the pot belly, stupid-looking face, balding head, glasses slipping down his face and disgusting looks? lol,Sounds like you don't like lmtu?Do you know what he looks like? Don't forget,none of us will look very attractive at that age,even someone attractive as you Beachlover.Ask *** Name deleted *** how the sex was with him,as he claims to have had a brief encounter with him.

[Beachlover]

How old is he anyway?...

[Aunty]

Kitty, IтАЩm only going to say this once because IтАЩm not going to be wasting my valuable time on your attention seeking histrionics.

Being (as you say you once were) little more than an agony aunt and a hand holder for gay men with STDтАЩs, this in actual fact qualifies you as not much more than a person who hands out health pamphlets. In other words any fool can do it, and familiarity with their contents in no way imparts you with any specialist knowledge or authority on the matter. You know nothing about the biology or the pathology that lies behind these viruses or how these agents even cause disease, let alone cancer. And as a pamphlet pushing hand-holder, your claim to speak with some authority on the matter is simply inflating your sense of self-importance way beyond its means.

Since you seem to be so fond of quoting the CDC as evidence of your expertise on this matter why donтАЩt you actually quote the correct section from the CDC i.e. the section on HPV-associated cancers? You are claiming that since HPV infections are so trivial and the chances of them causing cancer so small, that they are simply not worth being concerned about. This is not correct.

HPV infections are widespread and a serious cause of morbidity as well as deaths in human populations. As the CDC themselves report they are responsible for 85% of anal cancers, 70% of vaginal cancers, 40% of vulvar cancers, 40% of penile cancers, 25% of mouth cancers and 35% of throat cancers. They are also responsible for almost all (98%) of cervical cancers. As reported by the CDC in a study of 83% of the US population estimated that about 25,000 HPV-associated cancers develop in the US each year. Without medical intervention and treatment these people would die - a number not coincidentally much different to the numbers who die each year in the US from AIDS. As it is, nearly 4000 women die every year in the US from cervical cancer alone, a number that has reduced substantially over the decades as more focus has been paid on cervical cancer screening programmes and early intervention which has saved tens of thousands of lives. Nearly 8000 men a year in the US develop a HPV-associated cancer, and again without medical treatment these men would die. Mouth and throat cancers are the most common HPV-associated cancers in men. Not anal cancer! And these figures are only estimates of what is happening, the likelihood is that HPV associated cancers are much more prevalent than was previously known.

I could go on and on, but given the overall level of the strictly low-class trash (e.g., Once In A While) around this place, why would one bother?

[Impulse]

yep,hpv has me much more worried than hiv.

Another typical Aunty response. How dare anyone but her have make any type of scientific claim. The cheek of it all!

But go back and read kitty's posts and no where does he say there is no risk - only low risk. According to Aunty's own numbers 8000 men will develop HPV associated cancer in any given year (all types - not just oral). This represents about 0.005% of the total male population. Even assuming a 50% mortality rate and the number declines to 0.0025% of men who will die of HPV related cancer each year. So indeed the risk is huge. Run for the hills people. The end is nigh!!!

Now on the other hand, if you were to assume the same risks as Seen and Heard - otherwise know as our dear LMTU and spend each and every day, for years on end, on your knees, in every public toilet in Thailand, and God knows where else, sucking every cock you cold find, then naturally your exposure will be magnitudes higher than the average person. So LMTU's cancer is not because of an unfortunate case of bad luck but from constant and repeated exposure and infection by HPV over many years.

Now, before we keep throwing quotes around about a topic beyond our field of expertise, I say we agree to disagree. I choose not to live in fear. I trust my usual precautions in my encounters with boys and if you think that I would let a 14 day soar in my mouth or any other part of my body go unanswered, you must think that I'm from Venus...that to are women.

homesoon, most adult 'normal' people would as you so rightly say consult a doctor if a sore in the mouth or anywhere else on the body didn't go away. But the OP is LMTU who probably had it on his ignore list hoping it would go away and stop being nasty to him...

By the way, HPV was also the cause of Farrah Fawcett's anal cancer.

I'm really pleased that I insisted on using a condom when with her Oops....LOL

[kittyboy]

What prompted me to start this thread was the statement that HIV can kill a person in 18 months...That statement is clearly wrong and alarmist.


I was that fool who for almost 12 years handed out pamphlets and counseled mostly gay men about STDs and HIV. Over the years I gave out thousands of HIV results mostly negative but quite a few HIV positive results. Yes I was an agony aunt for many of those people who had seroconverted. Holding their hands and crying with them. I have many year experience dealing with people with STDs and HIV and I also have extensive training about these issues. Auntie I assume you are attempting insults but I see them as compliments.

My comments are directed at gay men...I agree that HIV can be dangerous but the danger is low and should be kept in perspective. The CDC, the comments of others about HPV in various articles mentioned and even Miss Tourettes own posting confirm that view.



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HPV will kill you with in 18 monthsтАж.. With HIV you can live reasonably healthier 20 years of more if caught early.


Kitty, IтАЩm only going to say this once because IтАЩm not going to be wasting my valuable time on your attention seeking histrionics.

Being (as you say you once were) little more than an agony aunt and a hand holder for gay men with STDтАЩs, this in actual fact qualifies you as not much more than a person who hands out health pamphlets. In other words any fool can do it, and familiarity with their contents in no way imparts you with any specialist knowledge or authority on the matter. You know nothing about the biology or the pathology that lies behind these viruses or how these agents even cause disease, let alone cancer. And as a pamphlet pushing hand-holder, your claim to speak with some authority on the matter is simply inflating your sense of self-importance way beyond its means.

Since you seem to be so fond of quoting the CDC as evidence of your expertise on this matter why donтАЩt you actually quote the correct section from the CDC i.e. the section on HPV-associated cancers? You are claiming that since HPV infections are so trivial and the chances of them causing cancer so small, that they are simply not worth being concerned about. This is not correct.

HPV infections are widespread and a serious cause of morbidity as well as deaths in human populations. As the CDC themselves report they are responsible for 85% of anal cancers, 70% of vaginal cancers, 40% of vulvar cancers, 40% of penile cancers, 25% of mouth cancers and 35% of throat cancers. They are also responsible for almost all (98%) of cervical cancers. As reported by the CDC in a study of 83% of the US population estimated that about 25,000 HPV-associated cancers develop in the US each year. Without medical intervention and treatment these people would die - a number not coincidentally much different to the numbers who die each year in the US from AIDS. As it is, nearly 4000 women die every year in the US from cervical cancer alone, a number that has reduced substantially over the decades as more focus has been paid on cervical cancer screening programmes and early intervention which has saved tens of thousands of lives. Nearly 8000 men a year in the US develop a HPV-associated cancer, and again without medical treatment these men would die. Mouth and throat cancers are the most common HPV-associated cancers in men. Not anal cancer! And these figures are only estimates of what is happening, the likelihood is that HPV associated cancers are much more prevalent than was previously known.

I could go on and on, but given the overall level of the strictly low-class trash (e.g., Once In A While) around this place, why would one bother?

[francois]

If health autorities are recommending routine vaccination for HPV, one may assume it is a potential lethal disease.

What do you mean by that? Can you clarify?

Heath aurthoritis often issue advisories as to suggested vaccinations for the general population. For exaple Flu; Polio; Measels ; a host of child realted illness;, some vaccainations for specif parts of the world; Shingles; Hep B & Hep A: and Gardasil for HPV. I believe Gadasil is recommened for all girls under a certain age. The lastest from my doctor was that my medical insurance would pay for Gardasil for males up to 26 yo although avialble to anone with money to pay for it. You can either accept their recommendtions or reject time . Up to you as to how cautious or risky you wish to be.

Doesn't this all point to the individuals own actions. Like HIV, HPV can be avoided along with most other STD's by using protection (condoms) when having sex with a complete stranger?

Of course. BUT most of us are accustomed to using condoms only for fucking. The point is that while unprotected oral sex is a low risk for HIV, I guess it is higher for HPV. Not that it's going to stop me from sucking bare cock. Will it any of you?

You have it in a nutshell Oops, but 'We' do not spend most of our days lurking around public toilets as 'you know who' does!

True, but is it a cumulative deal, or -- like HIV -- will one bad cock do the trick?

I should think it's like playing Russian roulette with a revolver, the more times you spin the chamber the higher the odds become on you getting a bullet in the head.

Cumulative.
There are something like 80+ strains of HPV. Type 16 is particularly associated with oropharyngeal squamous-cell carcinoma. Other types are strongly associated with other types of cancer. So unless your exposure to HPV is of the type 16 variety your odds of oral cancer are remote. And even if exposed to type 16 you are still unlikely to have it progress to cancer. However repeated and sustained exposures obviously will increase risks. And if your exposure reaches LMTU proportions then it is almost guaranteed.

Condoms offer some protection against infection, but any exposed skin can transmit the virus. Like any STD the only 100% effective prevention is abstinence. And we all know how well that works.

[Beachlover]

If health autorities are recommending routine vaccination for HPV, one may assume it is a potential lethal disease.

What do you mean by that? Can you clarify?

Heath aurthoritis often issue advisories as to suggested vaccinations for the general population. For exaple Flu; Polio; Measels ; a host of child realted illness;, some vaccainations for specif parts of the world; Shingles; Hep B & Hep A: and Gardasil for HPV. I believe Gadasil is recommened for all girls under a certain age. The lastest from my doctor was that my medical insurance would pay for Gardasil for males up to 26 yo although avialble to anone with money to pay for it. You can either accept their recommendtions or reject time . Up to you as to how cautious or risky you wish to be.

I see...maybe I should be vaccinated.

[Beachlover]

Doesn't this all point to the individuals own actions. Like HIV, HPV can be avoided along with most other STD's by using protection (condoms) when having sex with a complete stranger?

Of course.

BUT most of us are accustomed to using condoms only for fucking. The point is that while unprotected oral sex is a low risk for HIV, I guess it is higher for HPV.

Not that it's going to stop me from sucking bare cock. Will it any of you?

No, I think we will just be more cautious doing it, as now we know there are more serious risks (i.e. higher cost) associated with it. I am even hesitant and don't have oral with everyone I sleep with now (doesn't mean I avoid it for all partners... just some).

[Beachlover]

Kitty, IтАЩm only going to say this once...

Right... so you attack one normal guy who offers advice on the subject matter but ignore the complete moron (LMTU) who spouts false bullshit and sensationalises it. Great sense of priority there.


Trust me on this one, HPV will and has given many thousands of Gay Guys a tumors or cancer...

I'm sure it has and will. But will HPV kill you in 18 months period...as you have said? No - Your statement is completely inaccurate.


I must stress, this is a very fatal and dangerous disease, so take note, it can kill you, if you donтАЩt get it treated early.

True, but only a small percentage of HPV cases lead to cancers.

HPV is definitely not as bad as HIV as you have implied.


He probably ignored it because he didn't have enough money to see a doctor.

He DID ignore it because he didn't have enough money to see a doctor... as he has stated on another board where he was pussy footing around for advice at an early stage.


What prompted me to start this thread was the statement that HIV can kill a person in 18 months...That statement is clearly wrong and alarmist.

Well said (although I'm sure you meant "HPV").

[Beachlover]

repeated and sustained exposures obviously will increase risks.... if your exposure reaches LMTU proportions then it is almost guaranteed.

Haha... exactly why LMTU* is the first public case of HPV-related cancer on this board!

*Seen and Heard

[Impulse]

HPV is definitely not as bad as HIV as you have implied. For most who practice safe sex when they have intercourse,hiv is not something to really worry about.How many board members have receptive anal intercourse without a condom? I would presume not too many.
Now how many use a rubber for oral sex,giving or recieving?Im just guessing,but not that many.You can get hpv just from kissing someone,unlike hiv.
So the big threat to everyone reading this is from hpv,not hiv.Hpv is given little regards compared to hiv,don't you think?

[Impulse]

Forgot to add.....Having said how serious a problem hpv is,there really isn't much you can do besides abstinance.It's taken some fun out of sex for sure.I'm still gonna have it,just with not so much reckless abandon.

[Aunty]

According to Aunty's own numbers 8000 men will develop HPV associated cancer in any given year (all types - not just oral). This represents about 0.005% of the total male population. Even assuming a 50% mortality rate and the number declines to 0.0025% of men who will die of HPV related cancer each year. So indeed the risk is huge. Run for the hills people. The end is nigh!!!

Each year approximately 28,000 men in the US become infected with HIV. Plugging those numbers in to Professor Once In A WhileтАЩs analytical approach letтАЩs see what conclusions we can draw about the risk of HIV vs. the risk of HPV for US men. DonтАЩt forget in Professor WhileтАЩs world, all science is but an opinion and therefore equal, whether it be EinsteinтАЩs тАШTheory of RelativityтАЩ or Donald DuckтАЩs quackery.

Twenty eight thousand men becoming infected represents about 0.019% of the total male population. Even assuming a 50% mortality rate and the number declines to 0.0095% of men who will die of HIV/AIDS each year. So indeed the risk is huge. Run for the hills people. The end is nigh!!!

Once In A While, I have long thought of you as a fool, now I have absolutely no doubt about it. But, mate, itтАЩs a free world. You go off and do whatever you like. And good luck to ya. I, like millions of others, couldn't give a fuck.

[Impulse]

Since when are you so up in arms about hpv? maybe you read all the quotes and numbers that are mostly related to women - especially from the life threatening side - and mirror them to men. This is not just a womens problem.And the rate for gay men is much much higher than breeders.
My point being that so much is made of hiv while hpv is rarely discussed.This is simply a reality which we have to deal with.I hope you don't feel threatened by this virus.But you sound almost like your in denial.
This is exactly what I mean. Please tell me, now you know about hpv, how are you going to be different in your sexual behaviors? Since most male carriers wont show symptoms and the touch of skin (handshake) is enough to become infected. I guess your only option is forking over 600 usd (peanuts, if I would really be scared) to get your fun back. This is what I'm talking about,you arn't listening to what we are saying about the facts.Are you talking about the guardesil vaccine for $600?.It doesn't work if you have been exposed to hpv.I would fork over $10,000 if I knew it would protect me.It's like getting a hep b vaccine after youv'e already been exposed,it won't work.
If I was a young man,new to the scene,I would do whatever it took to get the hpv vaccine.I contracted hep b thirty years ago just as the vaccine was discovered.My doctor told me that it cleared and not to worry about it.But who wants to hope that a virus will clear on it's own.If you're pro-active about you're health,you should have tried to get the vaccine by now,since you didn't realise that it only works if you havn't been exposed to it. Hey,I hope you stay healthy as well as all other board members.Have fun.Hpv is out there unfortunately,and to me,it's more of a threat than hiv.

[Impulse]

Are you infected? Or what else does exposed mean?I'm assuming that I have been in contact with the hpv virus.As a guideline,if you've had sex with more than 10 partners,you are considered to have likely been exposed to the hpv virus.I won't reveal the number,as I don't know.....but it sure as hell is more than 10. I don't cruise rest rooms,just go-go bars in Thailand when I'm vacationing.I more than make up for lost time. At any one time,20% of the population is infected.80% of the population is at one point in their life,that is how common it is. The hpv that causes visible warts is not harmful,it's the hpv 16 and 18 strains that can cause cancer.

Aunty aren't you a clever little monkey. I was wondering how long it would take you to make the HIV comparison. Bit of a red herring though don't you think? The incidence of HIV infection in the male population is exceedingly low but still 3 times greater than HPV.

The thing of it is - and what you neglected to mention - is that once you are infected with HIV you stay infected and unless treated will eventually develop AIDS and die.

If you are infected with HPV you will in almost all cases recover from the infection. You will develop antibodies and not be infected again (if its the same strain) and your chances of developing cancer of any kind later on in life are low.

And to even be at risk of developing cancer down the road you have to have been infected with one of the strains that do this in the first place. There are over 80 strains of HPV and only a few have been linked to cancer.

Aunty perhaps you need to go back to what you know best - sheep shagging.

Valid points have been raised along with some scare mongering thrown in. All in all if you 'mess' around and have frequent partners even if you 'play safe' you should get yourself tested at least once every year, six monthly checks would prove more benifitial and give you a better peace of mind. Most STD's if caught in the early stages can either be cured or controlled as in HIV infection.

It's generally accepted that people in the US are total hypochondriacs and will fill themselves full of all manner of "preventative" drugs as well as having endoscopes pushed up every available orifice at every available opportunity.

Despite all this effort, they actually die sooner than people in, say, Bosnia - or any one of about 50 other countries.

Surely there must be a message in there somewhere.

Don't play on the road and just concentrate on breathing would be my advice.


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And how does life expectancy in Scotland compare with that in America?


Best figures I can find at short notice:

Scotland 77.5yrs (Scot. Gov. Data from 2008 - 75yrs Men, 80yrs women so I simply averaged it, didn't weight for gender)

USA 78.24 (CIA Est Data for 2010)

So bearing in mind that LE increases year on year in developed countries, the Scottish data is 2 yrs old, and I didn't weight it to account for women living longer than men, probably very little difference between the two.

Surprised?

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PS UK life expectancy (CIA estimated figures for 2010) 79.16