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April 25th, 2010, 12:34
Thailand Looks at Nuclear Power

Like many developing countries, Thailand is looking for ways to ease its reliance on costly imported oil and gas. A new government plan includes nuclear power, bio-fuels and solar energy among potential energy sources for the country.

Thailand's goal, set out in a new power development plan, is to almost double energy output over the next decade. To do so will require construction of at least two nuclear power plants.

Tara Buakamsri, a campaign director with the environmental group Greenpeace, says the nuclear path is just one of several the government has considered in its energy strategy.

"They want to diversify because Thailand is very much relying on gas, natural gas so they want to bring in new coal-fired power stations and also nuclear," he explained. "At the moment they are proposing five to seven nuclear reactors into the power development plan. So that's one of the most controversial issues for power development for the next 20 years."

A special study of nuclear power costs and its risks will be done and will be submitted to the Cabinet in 2011.

"Next year the Cabinet will be making a decision whether Thailand should go nuclear or not," he added. "So this is a one-year window for civil society who wants to see a better energy system for Thailand to take on the nuclear debate. So it's not easy for the government - even with political change - if they want to push Thailand to go nuclear."

Another option under the power development plan is for Thailand to draw more energy from neighbors Laos, Burma and China through gas and hydroelectricity. The government plan says Thailand could meet as much as 25 percent of its power needs this way.

But environmentalists raise concerns over relying on external sources of electricity. They also are worried about human rights abuses in Burma caused when the government clears land for hydro-electricity projects.

With oil prices expected to rise in the coming years, Thailand, like many other developing nations, wants to cut oil imports. The Energy Ministry is leading efforts to find alternative fuels, especially for cars.
Twarath Sutabutr, Deputy Director Alternative Energy Program, Ministry of Energy Thailand
Twarath Sutabutr, a deputy director general handling the ministry's alternative energy programs, says the government wants to boost the role of renewable energy.

"That strategic plan has a proactive target to increase the renewable energy proportion from 6 percent to 20 percent within 15 years," he noted. "In that particular plan we divided each technology and we very much focused on solar and wind, bio-energy, biomass, biogas, bio-fuel, and manageable waste and compressed natural gas for fuels."

Within a few years, the government hopes to see up to one million flexible fuel vehicles, which can use ethanol as fuel, on the road.

Kiat Sitteeamorn, president of the Thailand Trade Representative Office, says alternative fuels are one way to help rural areas develop, since they can be made from tapioca and palm oil.

"Thailand is among the first in ASEAN [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] member countries that actually embarks on the program to transform tapioca into gasohol," he said. "So now it's being used nationwide for 95 [octane] and 91 [octane] gasoline. So that in itself - we have discovered it helps maintain the price of tapioca very well."

The energy plan sets an investment target of more than $11 billion, which could create more than 40,000 jobs. But by cutting oil and gas imports, the country could save $14 billion.

Twarath says the next step will be to encourage private investors to take part.

"We believe that we have strong resources and strong human capital in bio-energy, in biomass тАж and we believe that there would be a lot of investment in Thailand in solar and wind as well," added Twarath. "But if you have me pick some kind of leading alternative energy as renewable for Thailand - I would say bio energy would probably be number one."

Direk Lavansiri, chief of Thailand Electricity Regulatory Commission, says investors have already shown interest in solar and wind power.

"So far there are many investors that are interested in renewable energy," he explained. "The high proportion is on the solar energy and the wind. These two categories exceed what is according to the plan, the number of megawatts."

While the government's energy plans are extensive, environmental groups such as Greenpeace say there are significant challenges. First, they say, the government needs to decide if it wants to decentralize power sources - using smaller projects - or to invest in expensive systems such as nuclear power plants. And, they say, the Thai government must work with communities to build acceptance for new power plants and fuel facilities.

Source: Ron Corben, Bangkok for VoA, Feb 23, 2010.


Two Questions occur:
1. Is Thailand drifting towards a second Iran, with many Iranians being here already?
2. How will Thailand handle any security concern regarding nuclear matters, if dealing with some small тАЬpoliticalтАЭ blackmail is too complicated for both police and army?
3. If Thailand becomes a nuclear power country, will Thailand claim all territories back, lost to Laos in 1941тАЩs colossal тАЬvictoryтАЭ and will Angkhor Wat again play a strategically dominant role in Thailand?

mahjongguy
April 25th, 2010, 13:20
Two Questions occur:
1. Is Thailand drifting towards a second Iran, with many Iranians being here already?
2. How will Thailand handle any security concern regarding nuclear matters, if dealing with some small тАЬpoliticalтАЭ blackmail is too complicated for both police and army?
3. If Thailand becomes a nuclear power country, will Thailand claim all territories back, lost to Laos in 1941тАЩs colossal тАЬvictoryтАЭ and will Angkhor Wat again play a strategically dominant role in Thailand?
Looks like three to me, and here's a fourth: why would Thailand move towards biofuels when it's already been demonstated that in most countries it leads to gross abuse of farmlands and greatly raises the cost of food? Biofuels can help a bit with the balance of trade (less imported oil) but this benefit is more than offset by the damage done to farmers and consumers. It also is not a "green" solution; ethanol is still carbon-based energy.

Beachlover
April 25th, 2010, 14:05
Hey ttom... it's actually easier to read your posts if you don't post all the text in bold font.

pudel
April 25th, 2010, 14:33
although Thailand would be an ideal country for sun-energy :idea:

cdnmatt
April 25th, 2010, 16:22
Two Questions occur:
1. Is Thailand drifting towards a second Iran, with many Iranians being here already?
2. How will Thailand handle any security concern regarding nuclear matters, if dealing with some small тАЬpoliticalтАЭ blackmail is too complicated for both police and army?
3. If Thailand becomes a nuclear power country, will Thailand claim all territories back, lost to Laos in 1941тАЩs colossal тАЬvictoryтАЭ and will Angkhor Wat again play a strategically dominant role in Thailand?

You seem to be under the impression that if Thailand "goes nuclear", they'll have the means to develop nuclear weapons. I could be wrong, but I very highly doubt any country is going to provide Thailand with that technology, especially considering a massive world summit for nuclear non-proliferation with dozens of world leaders just wrapped up. More than likely, the development of the plants and enrichment of uranium would be contracted out to an existing nuclear power (US, Russia, China, France, whoever).

Allowing a peaceful protest of your citizens, and securing a nuclear power plant are two totally different scenarios, and can't be compared. Same goes for comparing Thailand (a Buddhist democracy in SE Asia) to Iran (a Muslim democracy / dictatorship / theocracy in the Middle East, headed by a whack job).

Also, remember that the uranium used in nuclear power plants isn't weapons grade. It still has quite a bit of enrichment to go before it can be used in a bomb. I guess there's always the chance of a nuclear meltdown, but we've come quite a ways from Chernobyl, and the technology & safety standards are far better now.

April 25th, 2010, 17:40
Two Questions occur:
1. Is Thailand drifting towards a second Iran, with many Iranians being here already?
2. How will Thailand handle any security concern regarding nuclear matters, if dealing with some small тАЬpoliticalтАЭ blackmail is too complicated for both police and army?
3. If Thailand becomes a nuclear power country, will Thailand claim all territories back, lost to Laos in 1941тАЩs colossal тАЬvictoryтАЭ and will Angkhor Wat again play a strategically dominant role in Thailand?

You seem to be under the impression that if Thailand "goes nuclear", they'll have the means to develop nuclear weapons. I could be wrong, but I very highly doubt any country is going to provide Thailand with that technology, especially considering a massive world summit for nuclear non-proliferation with dozens of world leaders just wrapped up. More than likely, the development of the plants and enrichment of uranium would be contracted out to an existing nuclear power (US, Russia, China, France, whoever).

One key factor might be, that it cannot be not very complicated to enrich uranium or plutonium. It happened in Pakistan, North-Korea, Israel, Iran or elsewhere around the globe. Even producing radioactive material for medical use could be part of this process

Allowing a peaceful protest of your citizens, and securing a nuclear power plant are two totally different scenarios, and can't be compared.

A peaceful demonstration in Thailand? For what? Who is paying for? Is there some fun involved?

Same goes for comparing Thailand (a Buddhist democracy in SE Asia) to Iran (a Muslim democracy / dictatorship / theocracy in the Middle East, headed by a whack job).

True, the rhetoric from Iran and Thailand is very different. What would a тАЬdemocraticтАЭ Thailand include? Both terms тАЬDemocracyтАЭ and тАЬThailandтАЭ will never blend. And if it would, which orientation of democracy would you have in mind: US, British, French, Italian, Indian, German, Dutch, Swedish, Russian, Japanese, or any other. They all vary.

Also, remember that the uranium used in nuclear power plants isn't weapons grade. It still has quite a bit of enrichment to go before it can be used in a bomb.


I guess there's always the chance of a nuclear meltdown, but we've come quite a ways from Chernobyl, and the technology & safety standards are far better now.

Nuclear technology isnтАЩt safe at all but also extremely costly. тАЬNobody has ever built a nuclear power station in a deregulated market, and there are good reasons for it," said Citigroup analyst Peter Atherton, noting nuclear requires strategies which "take the risk from the companies and transfer it to the consumer.



Maybe I need to think more about all it, probably while watching buffalos. Too many pro and cons, with too much money involved. And there also Laos; many conservative Thai people want it back. Peaceful Laos, itтАЩs already drifting towards Viet Nam with a highly suspicious cousin at its opposite border.

:rolling:

April 25th, 2010, 20:58
Peaceful Laos?

Perhaps you better ask the former Lao Royal Family, or the Hmong, or any Lao political dissidents about that.

April 25th, 2010, 22:00
Peaceful Laos?

Perhaps you better ask the former Lao Royal Family, or the Hmong, or any Lao political dissidents about that.

I am not a royalist! I guess you are aware about the repatriation of Hmong taking place in Thailand. Have you ever been to an Karen settlement which is not disgusted as ToT tourist trap? Did you visit the Hill Tribe museum in Chiang Rai where one learn a little about minorities in Thailand?

April 25th, 2010, 22:52
Peaceful Laos?

Perhaps you better ask the former Lao Royal Family, or the Hmong, or any Lao political dissidents about that.

I am not a royalist! I guess you are aware about the repatriation of Hmong taking place in Thailand. Have you ever been to an Karen settlement which is not disgusted as ToT tourist trap? Did you visit the Hill Tribe museum in Chiang Rai where one learn a little about minorities in Thailand?

I'm very aware of the situation in Thailand.

We were talking about "peaceful Laos", though, weren't we? I think you need to do a bit more reading on the ruthlessness of the communist Lao government.