Thai boys who go "for work" to other countries.......

[searcher]

Just received a mail from a boy whom I ve been knowing...and liking..for several years. He is currently working at a well known massage place and told me that a customer had offered him a job at a similar place "abroad"...he did not tell me which country , so I can only guess (Singapore, Malyasia, Japan..). Of course this customer had promised him he would earn a fortune there doing the same job. I am suspicious and worry that this guy could end up like many female Thai prostitutes in Europe and that this customer is simply a pimp. I read on the net about Thai boys who had been "exported" to Arabian countries and came back with nothing but bad experiences and humiliations. I will meet this Thai boy next week , it would be great to have some information then.

[cdnmatt]

Unless he has a very clear and defined exit strategy in case things go south, don't go.

More than likely, I'd tell him to stay in Thailand. As a general rule of thumb, people who hang out at massage parlors in Thailand, and recruit the workers into the sex trade in other countries are probably best to stay away from. Besides, even if this guy was truthful about the job, and the Thai ended up making more, the extra cost of living would probably eat that up pretty quickly. Not to mention, he'd probably be an illegal immigrant as well.

[Beachlover]

Tell him to hold onto his passport and return ticket no matter what...

And only go if he can come up with the cash for a return ticket. Don't borrow from the "agent" to get there. I've heard that's one way they trap workers.

[latintopxxx]

But then nothing risked...nothing gained. Switzerland's saunas are full of gorgeous brazilian rent boys making 50 euro a pop....

[blueboy]

human traffucking!

But then nothing risked...nothing gained. Switzerland's saunas are full of gorgeous brazilian rent boys making 50 euro a pop....

What saunas. WHERE? I wanna know.

[Beachlover]

Not human trafficking if he goes on his own free will and remains free to go as he wants.

[TrongpaiExpat]

I know a few Thai boys that work the in Malaysia at massage venues where there's extra service. The tips are higher than Thailand for the extra service but you need to have the connections to work in one of these venues. Call-out service and special arrangements are the way it works.

Nelly fem boys, lady-boys and boys without body definition are not the ones that make it in other Asian countries. Asians tend to want the toned, masculine well developed bodies but not as as far as a Tawan type.

Another I know had a Swiss BF who got him a 90 day visit visa. He worked the saunas or the streets when the farang was at work and came back to Thailand with a small fortune. He was not masculine and was of small stature, big cock and looked like a teenager and I guess that works well in Switzerland.

[blueboy]

beachlover.....

as you say ........if........................................ .................................................. ...........

[latintopxxx]

jacklipton...I assume you have never frequented a gay sauna in Switzerland, just about every single one from Geneva to Zurich has Brazilian rent, gorgeous toned/muscled guys...making more in a day then they would in a month back home..even taking into account the cost of living they are still winning by far.

And by the way, have just been to New Zealand for the end of the year break...news papers already have massage/escort ads for Thai boys....

[lonelywombat]

And by the way, have just been to New Zealand for the end of the year break...news papers already have massage/escort ads for Thai boys....

The Melbourne gay press has many ads for asian masseurs and this place is just one of those that specifies Thai boys. I assume other states are similar.
I have not visited[yet] but have a numbers of friends who have made return visits.

http://gaydar.com.au/wontutu_massage

[atri1666]

But then nothing risked...nothing gained. Switzerland's saunas are full of gorgeous brazilian rent boys making 50 euro a pop....

What saunas. WHERE? I wanna know.

Go to Paragonya Sauna in Z├╝rich and you will have enough money boys from asia and brazil >> price around 100 chf

What saunas. WHERE? I wanna know.
I'd hazard a guess by saying Penang. A new place there is actively recruiting staff.

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http://transnews.exblog.jp/2526787

There are appalling stories in Japanese newspapers about the enslavement of Thai women in Japan where prostitution is
by tradition in the hand of criminals. You should invest a lot of time to give proof of the dangers so that he can resist the temptation.



Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

Trafficking in Persons Report 2008

JAPAN (Tier 2)

Japan is a destination and transit country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Women and children trafficked to Japan for commercial sexual exploitation come from the PeopleтАЩs Republic of China, South Korea, Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, Russia, and, to a lesser extent, Latin America. Japan is a transit country for persons trafficked from East Asia to North America. The majority of identified trafficking victims are foreign women who migrate to Japan seeking work, but are subjected upon arrival to debt bondage and forced prostitution. Male and female migrant workers are subjected to conditions of forced labor. Traffickers use debt bondage to exploit women in JapanтАЩs large sex trade, imposing debts of up to $50,000. In addition, trafficked women are subjected to coercive or violent physical and psychological methods to prevent them from seeking assistance or escaping. Traffickers also target Japanese women and girls for exploitation in pornography or prostitution. Many female victims, both foreign and Japanese, are reluctant to seek help from authorities for fear of reprisals by their traffickers, who are often members or associates of Japanese organized crime syndicates (the Yakuza). Japanese men continue to be a significant source of demand for child sex tourism in Southeast Asia.

The Government of Japan does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. While Japan continued to implement reforms through its Inter-Ministerial Liaison Committee on trafficking in persons, the governmentтАЩs efforts to identify and protect victims of trafficking remained inadequate. In addition, prosecutions decreased from the previous year. Law enforcement authorities and other officials did not systematically employ formal victim identification procedures, resulting in the governmentтАЩs failure to recognize many trafficking victims. The number of victims identified and assisted by Japanese authorities fell for the second year in a row, but based on calls to victim hotlines and interviews with victims, NGOs and researchers believe the number of actual victims exceeds government statistics. Some observers attribute the decline in identified victims to the difficulty of investigating sex businesses that are increasingly moving underground due to police crackdowns on red-light districts in major cities. This increased pressure from law enforcement has eliminated visible prostitution and forced many sex businesses to thinly disguise prostitution as тАЬdelivery healthтАЭ (escort) services.

Recommendations for Japan: Expand proactive law enforcement efforts to investigate commercial sex businesses, especially in rural areas and including call-girl services, for possible sex trafficking; establish and implement formal victim identification procedures and train personnel who have contact with individuals arrested for prostitution, foreign trainees, or other laborers on the use of these procedures to identify a greater number of trafficking victims; criminalize recruitment through fraudulent or deceptive means for purposes of forced labor; criminally investigate and prosecute acts of labor trafficking; conduct a widespread campaign to raise public awareness of child sex tourism and warn potential Japanese offenders of prosecution under the extraterritorial provisions of the child prostitution law; send periodic formal instructions to the National Police Agency and to Japanese Embassies and Consulates instructing officials to cooperate with foreign authorities in prosecuting possible child sexual exploitation cases against Japanese nationals; continue to increase the availability and use of translation services and psychological counselors with native language ability at shelters for victims; inform all identified victims of the availability of free legal assistance, as well as the option of extending their specialstay status as an alternative to repatriation; and revise the child pornography law to criminalize the possession of child pornography.

Prosecution

There was no improvement in the Government of JapanтАЩs efforts to address sex trafficking through law enforcement during the reporting period, and the government failed to address the problem of trafficking for labor exploitation. Prosecutions for sex trafficking decreased in 2007, as 11 sex trafficking cases were prosecuted, and 12 trafficking offenders were convicted, compared to 17 prosecutions and 15 convictions in 2006. Of the 12 convictions in 2007, seven offenders received prison sentences of two to four years with labor; five offenders received suspended sentences. The only labor trafficking convictions in 2007 were for two cases prosecuted under the Labor Standards Law. While Japan does not have a comprehensive anti-trafficking law, a variety of laws, including the 2005 amendment to the criminal code, the Labor Standards Law, the Employment Security Law, the Prostitution Prevention Law, the Child Welfare Law, and the Law for Punishing Acts related to Child Prostitution and Child Pornography, cover most, but not all forms of trafficking. Specifically, Japanese law does not prohibit recruitment of laborers using knowingly fraudulent or deceptive offers for purposes of forced labor. Labor exploitation was widely reported by labor activists, NGOs, shelters, and the media. The Immigration Bureau and Labor Standard Inspection Bodies reported hundreds of abuses of the Industrial Trainee and Technical Internship Program (the тАЬforeign trainee programтАЭ). Reported abuses included fraudulent terms of employment, debt bondage, restrictions on movement, and withholding of salary payments. While the majority of companies employ foreign trainees appropriately, participants in the first year of the three-year program were not protected by labor laws and were therefore vulnerable to trafficking. In addition, such exploitation was not limited to participants in the first year of the program. There were only two convictions for labor trafficking during the past two years despite Labor Standard Inspection Bodies having identified more than 1,209 violations of labor laws in 2006 alone, indicating a serious lack of will by the government to enforce these laws. The government did make some efforts to address oversight of the foreign trainee program. The Ministry of Justice released a list of prohibited acts to govern the program, but there were no criminal penalties for companies found in violation of the regulations. The Cabinet approved provisions to reform the program, including applying the Labor Standards Law to the first year; but, these provisions had not yet taken effect or even been debated by the Diet during the reporting period. These measures are unlikely to have any effect on the problem without a significant increase in enforcement of labor laws.

Protection

Despite the governmentтАЩs increased efforts, victim protection remained inadequate during the reporting period. The number of trafficking victims identified by the Japanese government declined for the second consecutive year. Law enforcement authorities identified 43 victims in 2007, down from 58 in 2006 and 116 in 2005. This number is disproportionately low relative to the suspected magnitude of JapanтАЩs trafficking problem. Although some observers speculate there are fewer victims identified because sex trafficking may have decreased in Japan, it is more likely the move of many sex businesses underground has made it more difficult for police to investigate and rescue potential victims. NGOs working with trafficking victims continue to assert the government is not proactive in searching for victims among vulnerable populations such as foreign women in the sex trade or migrant laborers. Of particular concern was the Japanese governmentтАЩs repatriation of 16 of the 43 identified trafficking victims without referring them to IOM for risk assessment and formal repatriation processing. Although police and immigration authorities take part in regular training programs, Japan has not adopted formal victim identification procedures, nor does it dedicate government law enforcement or social services personnel specifically to the human trafficking issue. During the reporting period, police and immigration authorities failed to consistently identify trafficking victims. Officials from third-country embassies reported Japanese police and immigration officers failed to recognize their citizens as trafficking victims, forcing the embassies to take charge of victim repatriation. In addition, the government did not recognize any victims of labor trafficking during the reporting period in spite of widespread reports of labor exploitation by both official and private entities. Forty of the 43 identified trafficking victims in 2007 were provided services by government sheltersтАФ WomenтАЩs Consulting Centers (WCCs)тАФlocated in each of JapanтАЩs 47 prefectures. The victims had access to subsidized medical care and some victims received psychological care while in the WCCs. However, the large majority of trafficking victims did not have adequate access to trained psychological counselors with native language ability, a weakness the Japanese government is now beginning to address. The Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare surveyed the NGO community to identify interpreters with experience or training in providing counseling and psychological care to victims of trafficking, and has begun to make this information accessible to WCCs nationwide. Although the government asserts that legal assistance is available to all trafficking victims, a survey of WCC operators indicated that neither WCC staff nor victims were consistently aware free legal assistance was available. To date there have been no cases where the government actually provided legal assistance to a trafficking victim. Although victims were eligible for special stay status as a legal alternative to repatriation in cases where victims would face hardship or retribution, NGOs report most victims were unaware they could extend this status or apply for a change of status to one which permits employment. Moreover, there has never been a case of a victim staying in Japan for more than a few months. The lack of native language counseling, the isolation of victims from fellow nationals and other trafficking victims, and the lack of alternativesтАФparticularly any option to work or generate income while in JapanтАФled most victims to choose an expeditious repatriation to their home country. Although the government encouraged victims to assist in the investigation and prosecution of trafficking crimes, it did not provide victims with an environment conducive to cooperation. Japan gave $300,000 to IOM in 2007 for repatriation and reintegration assistance, and budgets about $100,000 each year for subsidizing victimsтАЩ care in private NGO shelters that specialize in assisting trafficking victims.

Prevention

The Government of Japan demonstrated strong efforts to raise awareness about some forms of trafficking during the reporting period. The government took efforts to reduce the demand for commercial sexual exploitation through the distribution of 500,000 brochures on the trauma of trafficking, government anti-trafficking efforts, and how to receive victim assistance. The government also produced 25,000 trafficking awareness posters portraying the link between prostitution and trafficking in persons. The posters and brochures were distributed to immigration offices, police stations, and foreign embassies and consulates throughout Japan. The government donated $79,000 to a Thai NGO to construct a dormitory for Thai students vulnerable to trafficking. A significant number of Japanese men continue to travel to other Asian countries, particularly the Philippines, Cambodia, and Thailand, to engage in sex with children. Although the Act on Punishment of Activities Relating to Child Prostitution and Child Pornography and the Protection of Children provides Japanese courts with extraterritorial jurisdiction over Japanese nationals who have sexual intercourse with a minor in a foreign country, the government has not prosecuted a Japanese national for child sex tourism since 2005. During the reporting period, the government did not take any steps to specifically reduce the demand for child sex tourism by Japanese nationals. Japanese law does not criminalize the possession of child pornography, and this continues to contribute to the demand for commercial sexual exploitation of children and child sex tourism. According to National Police Agency statistics, 773 Japanese children were either prostituted or exploited in child pornography during the first half of 2007. Japan has not ratified the 2000 UN TIP Protocol.

Source: http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/105388.htm



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Home page of the report:
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/index.htm

Tier placements:
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/105383.htm

Humantrafficking.org
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/japan/best_practices

Laura Augustin: Border Thinking on Migration, Trafficking and Commercial Sex
http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin

[searcher]

Just got a mail saying that he would have to work on a cruise ship, owned by a well known company which is situated in Singapore. I know that there are exclusively gay cruises but this would be a "normal" cruise then. Besides he told me that other boys of his massage place would be on the ship too. I worry that ,once aboard, the boys would be totally "at the mercy" of the agent and their customers. Any ideas??

Perhaps you worry a bit much? Unless those boys are totally not informed most do know how to protect themselves, and many do know friends or "friends of friends" who have "worked" overseas and made good money and returned. Singapore has a lot of Thai boys/men "working" there.. and increasingly Hong Kong and there's at least one massage place here specializes in offering massages services by guys from Thailand.

What barepony said. There are a lot of ex thai bar boys surviving well in London for example and sending large amounts of dosh home. I know one thats been to almost every country in europe and is quite wealthy now, he has his head screwed on as well as his ass screwed off.

[ceejay]

He can't trust the agent. What he is told now, and what may turn out to be true in a foreign country could be very different things. Working on a cruise ship could be good - it could also be a front for entry into Singapore to work illegally because (I don't know specifically about Singapore) most countries will allow ships crew to enter without a work permit or some of the usual entry requirements such as money, onward ticket etc. to join their ships. Is he a qualified masseur? By which I mean does he have some sort of paper qualification? If not, what cruise line would employ him? I may be being naive, but I'm not aware of any cruise company that rosters prostitutes onto its ships.
If its above board, a legitimate cruise company will offer him a contract - and will not object to being asked to see a copy of that in advance. That, I think, is where you come in - he needs somebody with more experience to check the bona fides of the company itself and the job offer.
And, if he does decide to go impress on him that he should never, ever, let anyone take possession of his passport.

[searcher]

Thanks for the friendly and useful comments. I do not think that he and the other boys will work for the cruise ship company (they have no formal massage education). My guess is that the agency has booked cabins and booked into these cabins as many boys as possible. Besides I think that they have already arranged customers for them.. The boys were told that the cruise would take around 2 months and each boy would have to entertain only one single customer for this time. I worry that they will see a huge bill for "accomodation, tickets etc. and little money would be left for them. Given that their pports are taken at the beginning of the journey there would be nothing they could do about it. Don t think that complaints at Singaporean or Malaysian police would be very successful.

[searcher]

Just talked to the boy. He told me that he would be on a boat, departing from Pattaya together with lots of other Thai boys who were ...officially...buddies of some rich Malaysian and Brunei guys. There had been pictures made and the customers had chosen their very personal boy for the whole trip (about 50 days). The money ...about 300 000B..would be paid in advance and additional tips could be made. He told me that the Thai guy who approached him had done a similar trip before. I can t help but something must be wrong?!?!

[quiet1]

So, it's a mail-order bride type of blind date that lasts for 50 days, while confined to a boat???

[Beachlover]

Christ... so it's a private cruise? Not some reputable cruise company?

That ship could go anywhere... South East Asian waters can be very dodgy. They could end up being detained against their will at sea or in some remote place they're brought to.

The agent's paid commission, obviously... so there's not telling if he's saying the truth.

[cdnmatt]

I can t help but something must be wrong?!?!

300,000 baht definitely does sound like quite a bit for 50 days of sex.

I can t help but something must be wrong?!?!

300,000 baht definitely does sound like quite a bit for 50 days of sex.

I would think most barboys would be willing to take the chance for that kind of money plus getting to see some of the world outside of Thailand. It wouldn't take much to fill the Queen Mary Cruise Liner once word got out.

[ceejay]

When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

What? 300K Baht? If this is what a boy is getting, it means the "customer" is paying a lot more (the pimp, etc) plus the trip. Who in their right mind would spend that much paying for sex .. and only with one boy for 50 days? I know there are some really rich and closeted Islam men in those countries it's hard to believe for those with that kind of financial means would not have figured out better way to spend their money..

If I was to spend that much.. that "boy" would better look like an ancient Thai prince with the body of a demi-god.

Wait.. you CAN actually get one like that for much much less..

[searcher]

Got a mail from the boy. He seemed to be intimidated and said I should not worry. He told me the boys would gather tomorrow morning (Monday 25 Jan.) in Pattaya and then be taken onto the ship. Police would be bribed. I have no reason not to believe him. I really worry...

[latintopxxx]

The money involved does not surprise me, afterall 300k is only just under euro7k, not exactly a fortune if you own a yacht and a mere small change if you are Brunei royalty.
Have european friends who work in Saudi/emirates where gay sex is clandestine and are regularly offered gifts by their wealthy arab "friends", think its part of the culture; know of a horse trainer with a tote bag full of euro3k wrist watches, practically has one for each day of the year, helps that he's tall, blonde, hung, in very good shape, late twenties and a total bottom; he reckons he gets ridden more than the horses!!
But having said this these boys are most definitely taking a huge risk, they could easily be putting their lives at risk and I certainly wouldn't be clambering onto some private yacht without some sort of traceability.

[wyrleyboy]

What happened to these boys?

It would be great to find out if they did have a worthwhile experience.

[searcher]

Sorry, I completely forgot to tell how this story ended. I met this guy later and he told me that the "cruise" had not happened because "police wanted to much money". I was not sure if he told me the truth. Maybe he d just got cold feet and had finally been too scared to do the job. He seemed to be embarressed and did not want to go into details. Anyway , I was relieved...